#670 – Analyzing Zelos Games Programming ft. Friend, Howell, & Self

Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Spam we’re live. Someone called into the live calling show today and said, Hey I’m a street parking member, but because of your show I also signed up for an affiliate. Wow. I’m like, Yeah, I know, I know. I mean, thank you. That’s awesome. Brian Friend j Howell Taylor Self. Are you guys a big apology? I’ll be running the back end today.

Taylor Self (00:22):

Brian, what do you think you’re doing? What do you mean? What do you mean? What do I mean? You know what I mean?

JR Howell (00:29):

That Caterpillar on your upper lip Boy,

Sevan Matossian (00:32):

<laugh>. <laugh>.

Taylor Self (00:34):

I was trying to be like Taylor <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (00:36):

That thing is crazy. Voice.

Taylor Self (00:38):


Sevan Matossian (00:40):

Kenneth High. Cor Bono. High Jeremy. World High. Bruce Wayne High Kenneth. The lap High. Alisa Carr. Red Dhi. Jessica Valencia. Do you know this girl’s Master’s athlete? Did you know that JR?

JR Howell (00:52):


Sevan Matossian (00:54):

Makes me feel better. <laugh>. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Said Hot. Said hot. This guy’s from one of those countries that ends in Stan Tur. Mena Stan or something said Hot Alcon. It’s a fucking strong name. Isn’t that? That’s about as strong as it gets, sir. Hot.

JR Howell (01:14):

There’s a new baby in my gym and his name is Roman Ferucci. I think that’s pretty strong.

Sevan Matossian (01:21):

Yeah, that’s good. Roman Ucci er hat. tj. I’d love to hear what it sounds like when that guy’s mom yells at him said hot. She fucking, he gets hit with a stick. Patrick Clark about to board the plane. Entertain me always. It’s too bad. I hope you’re gonna be able to contribute and save the show. You always do. Corey Pulido exciting. Hey, Corey and his parents have sent care packages to Caleb Beaver,

Taylor Self (01:49):

Wherever he’s on my program.

Sevan Matossian (01:50):

Wherever he is.

Taylor Self (01:51):

Yeah. Corey

Sevan Matossian (01:53):

Smtp. Chase, Bryan High. You guys, the Zes Games is gonna be Saturday and Sunday. We are running. Oh, I knew it. I knew it. Curtis. Curtis. Glad to have you brother. Jamie Lair. Oh, maybe she’s the one who is the games athlete. Do you know her? Maybe. I got Valencia and Jamie Lair are all fucked up. Or she’s a master’s athlete. High level, maybe 22nd in the world in Masters or something for whatever age division she’s in. I looked it up today.

JR Howell (02:25):

Did you just make her Eastern European? I think it’s just LaMer.

Taylor Self (02:30):


Sevan Matossian (02:32):

Right or wrong. It’s hilarious. I feel a little better, but today’s workout just about kicked my ass. Okay. Vindicate the house for all your gear. Sevan podcast gear. Two bins of seven gear on palette headed to Charlotte tomorrow. Oh, that’s cool. My

Taylor Self (02:45):


Sevan Matossian (02:46):

When is your competition? Not this weekend,

Taylor Self (02:48):

Next weekend.

Sevan Matossian (02:49):

Oh, okay. You

JR Howell (02:52):

Weren’t for sure were you?

Taylor Self (02:54):


JR Howell (02:55):


Sevan Matossian (02:56):

I had no fucking idea. 35 to 30. I get all my news from 10 you. You guys are like, you guys don’t tell me when any of your shit is and so I don’t know. Or maybe you do and I’m just like, I need it constantly beat into my brain.

Taylor Self (03:09):

Hey, have you ever asked Chandler Smith to come

Sevan Matossian (03:11):

On? I have.

Taylor Self (03:13):

Okay. And he says no.

Sevan Matossian (03:14):

Yeah, but so cool. So cool. Hey, I don’t think my grandmother doesn’t like swearing and I just don’t, Don’t think it’s right at this time. And I mean it’s like the nicest no of all time. Not even a, I feel flattered that he answers me. You

Taylor Self (03:30):

Know what I mean? He’s a good dude.

Sevan Matossian (03:35):

Zos game Saturday and Sunday. We are trying something pretty wild. I’m pretty excited. We went over some of the gear today when Matthew Suza, the executive producer of the Seon podcast, was at my house and all of us will be participating in the coverage of it. We’re gonna use this exact same format when we go to the show and you watch the show, the broadcast, it’ll look like this, but instead of it being this card, it’ll be the event and we’ll be the little pinheads on the side talking. We have an all star cast of the motley crew of them all. Everyone’s scheduled. Brian Spin from the barbell spin. Tyler Watkins from the Fantasy Fitness League. John Young from just the Haterade Camp Taylor Self. Jr. Howell. I know I’m forgetting something. Mike Halpin, the guy just talks in numbers. He doesn’t use the alphabet, he just uses the numerical system. Myself would, and Caleb Beaver will be running the back end. Matt Sues will be down on the floor talking to the athletes. Brian friend will help commentate from the venue and Andrew Hiller will be the head referee. How did we get into this mess?

Taylor Self (04:50):

The head referee.

Sevan Matossian (04:51):

Head referee. And here’s, here it is, dude. There’s this guy who works for CrossFit Inc. Named Drake and he is the head judge for the Rogue Invitational and he’s going there to work as a judge, but really I think he’s there for quality control.

Taylor Self (05:11):

God, do you think any of these judges are hoping Hiller falls on his face?

Sevan Matossian (05:17):

I hope he falls on his face. The ratings would be amazing. I

JR Howell (05:21):

Think this dude, Drake is like, I can learn from anyone in any situation, so I wanna come help.

Sevan Matossian (05:26):

Okay, cool. That’s good. I just hope The thing is, if Hiller does fall on his face, he’ll lean into it. He’ll grab some dirt and rub it on himself. He’s so good.

Taylor Self (05:37):

I don’t think he will, but I think there, I mean, gosh, he’s so polarizing. I think he’s gonna crush it, but I think a lot of people are watching in anticipation.

Sevan Matossian (05:47):

Heidi seven, why aren’t you going there? I do not leave the three playing brothers compound. Patrick Clark. Drake’s a great dude.

Taylor Self (05:55):

Sometimes you do. If Gavin Newsom gets reelected, are you staying in California? Would you ever

Sevan Matossian (06:01):

Move? He did. I don’t know if I’d move. I don’t know. I went to Costco for the first time in 20 years. It was enough for me. I was like, Holy shit.

Taylor Self (06:11):

<laugh>. Oh my God.

Sevan Matossian (06:11):

I went there a couple weeks ago. It was crazy.

Taylor Self (06:14):

I hate going there. It’s Costco around 20 years ago.

Sevan Matossian (06:19):

Their stuff is so cheap. I can’t believe it. But the people there, What

Taylor Self (06:22):

Was it like 20 years ago? It’s all obesity. It’s just fucking packed. It’s so packed. Do

JR Howell (06:28):

You have a craving? Did you have a craving for some of those sie cassava? Flour chips. Tortilla chips.

Sevan Matossian (06:33):

I wanted to buy that. Like that $5,200 bottle of whiskey they had in the glass case.

Taylor Self (06:37):

Whoa. What?

Sevan Matossian (06:39):

Yeah, they got some weird stuff there. It’s like really? Did someone buy this here? I like their leg. I took my kids there with my dad, took my kids there and I tagged along and they got Legos.

Taylor Self (06:48):

You can get a college degree there. <laugh>. I have. Have you ever seen the movie Idiocracy? Sorry.

Sevan Matossian (06:55):

Nevermind. I have. I have. Tell me, tell me. I

Taylor Self (06:57):

Wanna here in the movie. He’s like, Oh, I got my cost coach degree there. The guy and how FUD Rutgers morphs into butt fucks over the, It’s one of my favorite movies.

Sevan Matossian (07:07):

<laugh>. Wow. Wow, wow.

Taylor Self (07:10):

It’s a good movie. <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (07:11):

None of that. That seems like a stretch. The only thing I remember is that people can’t figure out why the plants aren’t growing because they’re watering the crop with Gatorade.

Taylor Self (07:19):

With Broo. It’s what the plants crave, man. Electrolytes.

Sevan Matossian (07:22):

Yeah, it has electrolytes.

Taylor Self (07:24):

<laugh>, Good movie.

Sevan Matossian (07:26):

Costco. Obesity. Four workouts. There are gonna be some interesting things here. I think Tyler Watkins Z-score system is gonna be put to the utmost challenge and maybe even exposed of where it can and can’t be used. Those are one, that’s some of the topics we’ll be talking about today. We’ll be looking at each individual workout. I’ve asked the boys not to tear the workouts up and to be just look at them for how the athletes are gonna perform and keep it positive at, since we’re trying to promote the event. And then afterwards we’ll bend Jared over and hammer ’em a few days after the event <laugh>. But this show is gonna be basically talking about the workouts, what the stimulus is, what athletes we think are gonna do well, what kind of athletes, what kind of bodies it who he, maybe we even get into some podium picks, although Brian pretty much killed that a couple days ago. Hello gentlemen.

Taylor Self (08:18):

Brian, can I ask you a question?

Sevan Matossian (08:21):

Yep. Do you like the fuck, fuck, fuck. Oh, you don’t want me to talk to you like that? Do you know that song Utfo rap music from back in the day? Can I ask you a question? Que no. Okay. Nope. Sorry. Someone does. Someone in the comments knows. Okay.

Taylor Self (08:34):

I don’t don’t know the field, the men’s field. Is there someone who you have as a pretty clear front runner or should I not ask that? I think we can probably talk about it as we go. All right, fair enough.

Sevan Matossian (08:50):

Hey, I don’t have that up here and I’m all alone here. So someone

Brian Friend (08:55):


Sevan Matossian (08:56):

Do you Shit, that’s not good <laugh>.

Brian Friend (08:58):

No, you haven’t have,

Taylor Self (09:00):

So go into the search history.

Brian Friend (09:02):

I sent you an email with it yesterday.

Sevan Matossian (09:04):

Damn, you’re good. You’re good. Is it? It’s in a spreadsheet.

Brian Friend (09:13):


Sevan Matossian (09:14):

A live athlete not podcast schedule

Brian Friend (09:17):

That. Yeah, that should be

Sevan Matossian (09:19):

It. Okay. Can I pull that up and show everything that’s on there?

Brian Friend (09:22):

Well or you could go to the article that we used yesterday

Sevan Matossian (09:27):

Or the other day. Where and where is that article?

Brian Friend (09:30):

If you search Brian Friend Bar Bend on my author’s page, It should be the last one that I published.

Sevan Matossian (09:37):

Our Ben Bryan friend authors page.

Brian Friend (09:40):


Taylor Self (09:41):

Colton gonna be there in person

Brian Friend (09:45):

Competing you mean? Yeah. Oh, you really don’t know the field at all. No, he’s not.

Sevan Matossian (09:49):

Okay. It says four impressive performances that flew under the radar. That’s your last one. Cross CrossFit

Brian Friend (09:56):

<laugh>. My God. I’ll send

Sevan Matossian (09:58):

It to. Okay, thank you. I appreciate it.


I want you to know that when the Barend thing popped up, will you usually I block notifications, but since you worked there I accepted them with a smile on my face. It’s like, yeah, love to get notifications from Barend. Barend is the new home for Brian Friend and Patrick Clark formerly with the morning. Now if you want to see their work, you go over to Barend. They are building a robust catalog of up to date news in the CrossFit community. It’s a pretty big site. They got a ton of stuff on there. I’d love to see the CrossFit stuff. Get a little more love.

Brian Friend (10:38):

You should have gotten an email or beginning one in a moment.

Sevan Matossian (10:42):


Taylor Self (10:43):

Did you really still haven’t gotten your Instagram back before? Early CrossFit rats?

JR Howell (10:48):

What are you talking about? Oh yeah, that little guy.

Sevan Matossian (10:51):

Yeah. That’s crazy.

Taylor Self (10:52):

You haven’t gotten it back?

JR Howell (10:54):

Still waiting. Yeah.

Taylor Self (10:55):

Fuck them dude. Fuck Instagram.

Sevan Matossian (10:57):

What did you post?

Taylor Self (10:59):

He posted a nuity and they’re like, no, he can’t have that

JR Howell (11:03):

Posted some of our heroes that we’re doing workouts for this week of Veterans Day and that’s about it.

Taylor Self (11:09):

I have a theory cuz they did it to me on my account when I first opened it and

JR Howell (11:14):

I was like, yeah, I’m an addict and that’s why they shut me down for a

Taylor Self (11:17):

Second. Yeah, cuz I was sending a lot of messages to people who are just jumping on my program. They, they’re like, Oh you sent too many messages. We think you’re a bot. And I think jr’s just on full golin mode in his dms. Like he dms like hours a day.

Sevan Matossian (11:29):

<laugh>, Wait a say can you send a DM to everyone at once in your, who follows you or you follow? You

Taylor Self (11:35):

Could probably, No, no, no. I was like going to different accounts and I don’t know, I think it’s an activity thing. Who knows?

Sevan Matossian (11:45):

These are the women. Take a quick look. Brittany Weiss, Andrea Nestler, Devin Kim. The list goes on. We’ll period. Periodically come back to this. The men. James Sprague, tutor Magda, Peter Mason Mike McDonald. Wow. Mike McDonald’s gonna be there. That’s

Taylor Self (11:59):

Awesome. Wow. Brian

Sevan Matossian (12:01):

Matt Degos and let’s dig right in to workout number one to workouts on Saturday, two workouts on Sunday. 12 men, 12 women. By the way I’m supposed to make sure that you guys all know that you should be registering for this event. I don’t know how you do that, but someone will put a link in. Someone put a link in the chat. Chat over there. Hey, I’m useless. I’m just a fucking mouth.

Taylor Self (12:33):

Jr do you think these are enough workouts to give away this much money? I guess the open kind of does it?

Sevan Matossian (12:39):

Wow. Good question. It’s kind of a backhanded compliment.

Taylor Self (12:42):

Well, well yeah I guess it is. Well it’s just, yeah, I mean they’re giving away a fuck load of money, which is cool.

JR Howell (12:48):

Are you talking about for the online competition or in person?

Taylor Self (12:50):

About both?

JR Howell (12:53):

Yeah, I mean think it is something very similar in feel to the open where you’re briefed on a workout right before you do it. You have minimal time to warm up and you do that twice for two days. So it’s pretty cool in that respect. I think a lot of these athletes are going just because they’re really pumped about being in this kind of atmosphere to do it in Vegas. I think the money is just kind of a plus

Brian Friend (13:16):

And it’s a unique opportunity. There aren’t that many opportunities, especially to only compete in a heat of four, three other people at a time to be broadcast on a live stream. So this is probably one of the better opportunities for some of these athletes will ever have to have the spotlight most closely on them.

Sevan Matossian (13:35):

And I think a lot of people are also going to be watching to see the debut of my new affiliate commercials. I think that’s a large,

JR Howell (13:45):

Most of them probably are gonna watch to do that.

Taylor Self (13:48):


Sevan Matossian (13:49):

Workout one. Why 1.1? Why not just one?

Taylor Self (13:56):

<inaudible> we <crosstalk>. I don’t you got me stumped.

JR Howell (13:59):

I think it’s maybe just, maybe it’s just homage to the open 20.1, 21.1, 22.1.

Taylor Self (14:07):

But wouldn’t you calling it 1.1? Is this the first in person iteration of XO games? Correct. So maybe that’s it. Zello games one, workout one.

Brian Friend (14:17):

It’s the second iteration and I believe last year that it was just 0.1, 0.2.

JR Howell (14:23):

They didn’t do it in person last year, did they?

Brian Friend (14:25):

No, but they were, I think I’m checking this now. I think that that’s how he did it. At least it shows up that way is a Google search. You can find them.

Sevan Matossian (14:34):

I think last year the workouts were 0.1, 0.2, et cetera. Okay,

Taylor Self (14:38):


Sevan Matossian (14:40):

Here we go. Three minute am wrap as many rounds as possible. 26 18 on the eBike. 14

Brian Friend (14:50):

In this particular case it’s actually reps as many reps as

Sevan Matossian (14:53):

Possible. As many reps as possible. Thank you. 26 18 on the eBike 14 dumbbell box step overs. I guess that means you’re holding the dumbbells in your hands.

Brian Friend (15:06):


Sevan Matossian (15:07):

And max ring muscle ups. Impressed. I knew what RMU was in three minutes.

Brian Friend (15:14):

It’s concerning that you didn’t know what DB was.

Sevan Matossian (15:17):

<laugh> in three minutes, rest one minute. The same thing for three minutes. Rest. One minute four minutes. Do people, how do you tack this work out? Do people game this or

Brian Friend (15:27):

Just in case anyone’s not listening to stuff, do you wanna tell ’em the weights and the box heights at the bottom

Sevan Matossian (15:32):

There? Yeah. Thank you. Dumbbell weights. 50 for the boys, 35 for the girls box height. 24 inch for the men, 20 inch for the women.

Brian Friend (15:46):


JR Howell (15:46):

Yeah, to answer your question, I think there are some people that will go about it a little different ways. Taylor could maybe give some insight of how he would attack it. As someone who is good on all three movements and really good at ring muscle ups, do you want to just be hurting really bad when you get to the rings because that gives you more time and over the course of the three rounds, if you have more time, you know could win Or are you someone who knows that if you’re blown up, you’re grip, you’re breathing when you get to the rings, that you’re not gonna be able to do a whole lot of work when you get there. And I think a lot of interval style workouts, it’s not about round one, it’s not about round two, but that third round that has an extra minute of work, I think that’s really, really, really valuable in this workout.

Sevan Matossian (16:26):

And just to clarify, I got a question. So the winner is whoever has the most ring muscle ups

JR Howell (16:32):


Sevan Matossian (16:33):

From all three rounds you had them together. Okay, go ahead Taylor.

Taylor Self (16:37):

Well how I would attack it?

Sevan Matossian (16:40):


Taylor Self (16:42):

I think maybe to Jr’s point on a work on a workout like this to me, I don’t think getting to the rings super early is as important as getting up to the rings for a big chunk. I personally think that once you come down from the rings, especially in a short am wrap like this, your rest is gonna be way it, it’s probably going to be forced into a longer rest than you want to waste in a three minute am wrap. So I don’t think, to me, I would try to get the bike done. I wouldn’t try to get the bike done in a minute and I would go straight to the dumbbell step overs and I think the dumbbell step overs will probably take 40 ish seconds, maybe a little faster.


And I think my goal would try to be between 15 probably between 15 and I don’t know, maybe 18 muscle ups in the first interval. I definitely could do 11 to 12 unbroken and then probably a quick rest and then time’s really running down and then I would just try to get a few more. I think for me personally, it’s probably more of a grip workout than anything else. I think with a minute of rest I recover pretty well. I also recover pretty well from machines on the ring muscle ups. So I think it’s more of a grip thing. I think I’d probably be looking at a minute on the echo by 40 seconds on the step overs and then try to get 15 to 18 muscle ups. Round one probably 15 ish, round two and then I would hope for 20 on the fourth.

Sevan Matossian (18:20):

How many did you say in the first round? How many muscle ups?

Taylor Self (18:22):

15 to 18.

Sevan Matossian (18:25):

So 15. 15, 20. You guys are gonna tear me up for this. Why is it a grip? Why is it grip? Aren’t these, aren’t they gonna be in the false grip and then as they kick the bottom slip out? No,

Taylor Self (18:37):

Not false grip. They’ll have grips on. Yeah, they’ll have a regular grip and just from the dumbbell step overs, I think a lot of guys will get the bike will crush ’em, some guys will try to go out a bit hot on the bike. Other people probably go too slow and not give themselves enough time. But I think more than anything the bike is, the bike is just there to fatigue you and to make you push pretty hard. But I recover pretty well on dumbbell step overs. I can get my heart rate down, especially with fifties. And same thing on muscle ups. I don’t say I’m recovering on muscle ups but muscle ups aren’t gonna blow me up unless I’m going for a true max set. Not enough to where I couldn’t recover in a minute.

Brian Friend (19:16):

Taylor or Jr, what do you guys think about intentionally breaking the step overs? Maybe like 10, put ’em down for two seconds, pick ’em back up just to get the grip ready for the muscle ups.

JR Howell (19:27):

I think you’re either someone like Taylor who’s like, there’s no way I do that. Or you’re someone that’s doing it from round one. Need to do it. Yeah because they know that they’re gonna be limited by grip endurance more than anything else.

Sevan Matossian (19:39):

Let me throw this out there real quick. This is a 12 minute workout. How many muscle ups can you do in 12 minutes? Can you do 50 muscle ups? Cuz in 12 minutes Taylor, what’s

JR Howell (19:49):

A what? 10 minutes of work

Taylor Self (19:51):

<laugh> 10 minutes of total work,

Sevan Matossian (19:53):


Brian Friend (19:56):

He’s just asking in general. But I mean seven two years ago in the open there was a workout that had 40 muscle ups and 80 calories rowing was it and 120 wall balls and I mean people were finishing that entire workout in eight minutes I think. Or maybe it it’s 10 minutes.

Taylor Self (20:12):

10, 10, 12, 10 minutes.

Brian Friend (20:16):

Well either way under 12 minutes.

Taylor Self (20:18):

Yeah for sure, for sure can do 50 in 12 minutes. I think more, I think more than anything how can you do big sets and get quick reps without coming down and wasting a lot of time. I mean you think about this when you’re forced into a break on ring muscle ups, you’re not jumping down for a couple seconds then hopping right back up. You’re coming down, you’re probably fucking sitting on your heels grabbing chalk. The rings are swinging everywhere. So I really think the workout is more about getting to the rings with the ability to do a big set out front and if you can get a big set out front than anything after that, it’s kind of like icing on the cake. But people who get to the rings and are doing a set of five and a set of six, they’re not gonna be the ones who are winning this workout

JR Howell (21:00):

And who can get to the third interval and take advantage of the fact that they’re not gassed when some of the other guys maybe in their heats or in previous heats or in heats following them are gonna get to that third round and think they have juice and then they don’t have anything left.

Taylor Self (21:12):

Yeah, I’d imagine that you can use grips on the dumbbells Jamie, but I personally just hook grip. I think hook grips still is gives me better grip endurance than trying to fuck with the grips. Especially in the workout that fast.

JR Howell (21:26):

I mean it’s a pretty cool workout too because there’s a lot of places that you can game the workout and suit your abilities. I mean I think on the show with Hillary and Brian the other night someone from Zelos commented that they’ll be athletes that get the cows done in 30 seconds.

Taylor Self (21:42):

Fucking I think that’s stupid.

JR Howell (21:44):

So I mean if you have people that are gonna attack it that way and they’re gonna maybe rest for 10 seconds, do seven step overs break, do seven step overs and then go to the rings. I mean maybe you’ll have people come outta the gate super hot.

Taylor Self (21:59):


Brian Friend (22:01):

The other thing is the, the nature of this particular competition is there’s three heats of four and someone’s going first in that workout. Now we’ve set it up so that each of the four, three groups get to go first. Once second, once and third once. But if you’re in the

JR Howell (22:17):

Have to first not get to go first, right?

Brian Friend (22:19):

Have to go first. Yeah, have to go first. Hey maybe you wanna set the tone but in this particular case, if you go in the last heat, you’ll have an idea of what you need to hit and if you’re close in the or feel like you have it in the last interval, you may see people making a change of plan based on what they know they have to do.

Taylor Self (22:41):

I agree. I also think that with this field particularly, there’s a higher chance of someone in heat one just being really good at muscle ups and putting up a score that no one else can beat. I feel like there are a lot of out outlier, maybe not outliers but it doesn’t seem to me like it’s a very close together field. You would see at the games where the people in the last heat really do benefit from seeing someone going first. I think they’re gonna be people in the last heat who see someone do a score that they know they can’t really touch. I also think personally, especially with a three minute time domain, you shouldn’t approach a workout where you plan on taking rest. The rest is in it’s built in, you get a minute of rest. So I think if any athletes are watching this, you need to approach the workout in whatever way keeps you moving the entire three minutes and allows you to build an intensity throughout the three minutes you are guaranteed rest. You can’t bank on rest in your three minute window. If you do then you’re pushing too hard somewhere and not utilizing that energy somewhere

JR Howell (23:39):

Else. And Brian, have you seen floor plans? Will the in-person competition, will it be laid out where there’ll be five feet in between the rings and the box and all that stuff?

Brian Friend (23:49):

Oh yeah, the zalo schemes has already put out floor plans for every workout I think. And also the standards and floor layouts for all those workouts. I think they’re on their Instagram but I mean yeah I’ve seen those but Taylor, because of the Z score, it’s not just the top score that’s necessar necessarily being chased. If you’re a person who thinks in your mind I think 30 to 35 ring muscles is realistic for me and you see that there’s a bunch of guys aggregating towards the top of that or the bottom of that, then coming you might say, man I know if I gotta get 30 and if I get anything above that it’s pushing me past half the field like that. That could matter too. Stand towards the middle of the z score is good if you’re not winning it. Yeah,

Taylor Self (24:34):

I’m trying to pull up.

JR Howell (24:36):

So just doing it in your head Taylor, do you think 50 plus wins it or do you think multiple people would be ever 50

Taylor Self (24:43):

Looking at the workout right now? I just have to stare at it. I think

JR Howell (24:49):

If you go 15, 15, 20, there’s your 50

Taylor Self (24:52):

That’s 50.

JR Howell (24:53):

Do you think a lot of people are gonna be capable of that?

Taylor Self (24:55):

I think I man.

JR Howell (24:59):

Brian, do you have any information about the test athlete? I know Mitch tested like most of them right before he jumped in last minute to compete. Do you know what he got on that? I’m sure he doesn’t want, I’m sure he doesn’t want everyone knowing but

Brian Friend (25:10):

No, but I did, I think Mitch tested two of the workouts is what Jared had told me after we did that show the other day and he did the demo videos for all of the workouts. I’m not sure if he did this one or not. I do know that it was tested and actually I tested it along with a buddy of mine at the gym. We didn’t do the RX version of the workouts but we were testing for is it RX or Elite, whatever the second division is. We were just trying to test some stuff out for that and everyone had a similar experience. Maybe the reps would change, but basically to what Taylor was talking about, where the least the number of ring muscles were accumulated in round two <affirmative>. So you’d start up high, you’d have a little regression and then with that extra minute you would push back to either where you were in round one or slightly beyond it. And that was uniform across the board with the three people that I know who tested

Taylor Self (25:59):


Mattew Souza (26:00):

How many muscle ups did you

Taylor Self (26:01):

Get? Well hold on, he’s nevermind, he’s competing. He’s signed up. I can ask him that. Did you

Mattew Souza (26:04):

Guys form a coup or something? What happened here? Dude,

Taylor Self (26:06):

I don’t know. He’s rebooting his

Mattew Souza (26:08):

<laugh>. You, You guys just boot, You guys just booted him off.

Taylor Self (26:11):

He fucking mutant. He didn’t dude, we walked

Mattew Souza (26:13):

Get ass off the plank. I just got back

Brian Friend (26:15):

Actually thought he, I thought he just moved himself off the screen on purpose. Me too. To try a different setting <laugh>. But then when we were talking about something that he definitely could have pulled up a graphic and I was like,

Mattew Souza (26:25):

Yeah I just walked in from driving back from his house actually in saw it was just you guys and saw his thing so his stream was down and I was like, oh shit. So

Brian Friend (26:33):

You said you guys were geeking out over equipment there earlier today?

Mattew Souza (26:36):

Yes. Yeah, I got a bunch of goodies. So what are we, you guys are just finished up the talk of the first workout. We’re

Taylor Self (26:42):

Talking about how many many reps we think wins it and I think that probably the more I think about it, more than likely athletes are gonna need to jump up and knock out a big set and they’re probably not gonna have a ton of time to come down rest and even jump back up and get another set. So I think 50 probably wins it. I think any, Yeah,

JR Howell (27:03):

It’s interesting too. I

Taylor Self (27:04):

Think over 50 wins.

Brian Friend (27:05):

Well we often talk about muscle workouts when they’re for reps. Should we have a different number for men or women? Obviously we’ve already scaled the echo byte calories given that and that the box step overs are probably a little bit easier with the 30 fives on the 20. How close do you think the women get to the men on

Taylor Self (27:26):

The muscle ups? I don’t think

Brian Friend (27:28):

That’s all that matters for the score. Well fifties winning for the men, winning for the women.

Taylor Self (27:33):

I’m looking at the field right now. I’ve gotta pull the women’s field up to even,

JR Howell (27:36):

I would say seven to eight less.

Taylor Self (27:38):

Take a stab at

Brian Friend (27:39):

That. So is someone getting over 40 would be or 45? 40 to 45 is gonna be up there. Yeah.

Taylor Self (27:45):

Do we know have a list of women that are gonna be competing? Who’s the best in the field that muscle ups for the women? Brian

Brian Friend (27:53):

I’ll tell you the Alex Gaza maybe Alexis Johnson should probably do well on those. Nestler,

Taylor Self (28:01):

I don’t think any women are getting over 40.

Brian Friend (28:05):

Susan do you have the

Taylor Self (28:07):

Yeah, lemme see. I think it was in that email you sent me the other day, right?

Brian Friend (28:11):

We were using the article I thought was the best place to

Taylor Self (28:14):

That. Right, pull it up.

JR Howell (28:18):

Yeah. And this workout too, I mean it’s really well programmed in the way that you are pushing the pace. So anyone that thinks they’re just gonna cruise the bike is gonna have 30 seconds on the rings and it’s gonna be terrible. So they’re being forced to bike hard, which is cool. And then who can rest a 3 21 and pick the dumbbells right up and do their 14 at a good cadence? You know, think about some of the really big guys, the tall guys like to and Matt Delco that are gonna be there. You would think something like the box step overs and the bike are gonna be a huge advantage in a competition with a one rat max snatch essentially. But the ring muscle ups are there to kind of equalize, which I think is good. It’s a really well programmed workout in that way.

Taylor Self (28:56):

I also think that speed of muscle ups are gonna matter. I mean it comes down to a few reps. This reminds me of that last chance qualifier workout with the bar muscle ups and the thrusters where there were ties at reps and one rep. Was the difference between potentially qualifying or not? I think, I don’t know. I

JR Howell (29:15):

Don’t, Sola looked pretty smooth on the rings and some of those clips that she was posting on Instagram that you guys pulled up. Brian, maybe she’s the best in the field. Adam, her or Alexis.

Brian Friend (29:27):

I mean, yeah, I think Gaan and Isler will do well on this too though. I think it Taylor’s right and that’s why I said it. It could matter being the last heat if, you know, go out there and set 42 and and I come up right behind you knowing I have to beat 42 is a little bit of incentive if I’m close.

Taylor Self (29:45):

Yeah, I think women probably are. I don’t think any women go over 38 and I think the guy who wins, it’ll go over 50.

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