#663 – Matt Dlugos & Alex Gazan

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Count down for me. 3, 2, 1. Bam. We’re live. Hey, thanks for doing this. It’s early as shit, right?

Matt Dlugos (00:06):

It’s a little early, but it’s all good. We’re here.

Sevan Matossian (00:09):

Oh, what time do you normally get up?

Matt Dlugos (00:11):

I feel like on Sundays I like to sleep until like 8, 8 30.

Sevan Matossian (00:15):

Oh, I’m sorry.

Matt Dlugos (00:16):

No, dude, you’re fine. Okay. I love it. And I forgot that it was daylight savings time. I thought we lost. I always get confused. I thought we lost an hour. We gained an hour, so we’re good. We got all the hours over here.

Sevan Matossian (00:28):

Okay. I don’t even It’s weird. Back in the day when you were still in your dad’s sack, we actually had to change our clocks. But now it just, Your phone just, I don’t even know. I don’t just, my phone just tells me I, I’m just a tool of the man. I just tell What time is it?

Matt Dlugos (00:47):

It’s like when the microwave is like, it’ll probably stay an hour ahead for the rest of the time.

Sevan Matossian (00:53):

Oh, okay. Right. There are things like that. Yeah. Same with me. I have a bunch of clocks in my garage and they never, I just like, Oh, they’ll be right again in six months.

Matt Dlugos (01:00):

Exactly. Aren’t they trying to do away with that? Isn’t it kind of, It’s not that. It’s silly now, but it was agricultural based, right? It was for the farmers and

Sevan Matossian (01:11):

I think so. I I heard that time change causes myocarditis. I saw an article yesterday.

Matt Dlugos (01:19):

I don’t know what that means.

Sevan Matossian (01:21):

I mean, it’s bad for your heart. Everything. Everything’s bad for your heart these days. That’s the new

Matt Dlugos (01:28):

That makes sense. Checks out.

Sevan Matossian (01:29):

Yes. Yes. Dude, the stash is fire.

Matt Dlugos (01:34):

Thank you man. I just shaved everything up the other day. We’re just rocking the stash for November.

Sevan Matossian (01:42):

Microwave oven car. I think Arizona has never observed daylight savings. I think you’re right. I think Arizona’s just like, fuck you.

Matt Dlugos (01:50):

Yeah, there’s like a weird vortex or so they call it the vortex. They don’t do it. So for six months I think they’ll, their clocks will be right and that we all fall back. I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (02:07):

Seon, my son says, What’s up dude? Hey, what’s up dude? What’s up son? What’s up Mr. Young Sadun Jr. And I already said the F word. If I would’ve known, I would’ve tried to hold it in. Seriously. I would’ve tell your son. Do as I say, not as I do. Well, so are you chomping at the bit to get out there and compete?

Matt Dlugos (02:32):

Yeah, I’m pretty excited. I got two, two competitions over the next three weeks or two weeks really? I guess now. And I’m very, very fired up for both of

Sevan Matossian (02:44):

’em. Are you going Australia?

Matt Dlugos (02:46):


Sevan Matossian (02:47):

Oh no shit. Who are you competing with? What team?

Matt Dlugos (02:50):

Compete with Con and Ricky.

Sevan Matossian (02:52):

Oh my goodness, dude. Yeah.

Matt Dlugos (02:55):

Yeah. So that’ll be super fun. That kind of came about super organically, but everything fell into place really well. But yeah, I get to go down, throw down with them’s games the weekend before I fly out, the night of the last day of Theos games. So should be a fun couple weeks.

Sevan Matossian (03:15):

I’m gonna pull up a calendar here. So you, where’s, Oh, it’s over here. So the zealous game started on Friday or Saturday.

Matt Dlugos (03:25):

I believe it’s Saturday. Saturday the

Sevan Matossian (03:27):

Sunday. They start on the 12th and then you’re saying on the night of the 13th you cruise over to that at little airport. What is it? McCallen?

Matt Dlugos (03:36):

Yeah, McLaren P Gym. And then I go to LA and then I go to Sydney.

Sevan Matossian (03:44):

Wow. Speaking of time changes, you either lose a day or gain a day.

Matt Dlugos (03:48):

Yeah, I leave Sunday night. I get there Tuesday morning

Sevan Matossian (03:53):

And then that

Matt Dlugos (03:54):

Entire day

Sevan Matossian (03:55):

You lose an entire day and then that down under things starts on the 18th.

Matt Dlugos (04:00):


Sevan Matossian (04:02):

So you have the 16th, a Wednesday and the 17th to unravel your sleep disorder.

Matt Dlugos (04:09):

Yeah. It should be enough time, right?

Sevan Matossian (04:11):

No <laugh>.

Matt Dlugos (04:14):

No, it’s gonna be rough, but I wanted to make ’em both work. I wanted to do the Alos games cuz I heard there’s so many good athletes coming and a couple friends coming out and yeah, it is just gonna be a good time. Plus it’s at our home gym. It’s in Las Vegas.

Sevan Matossian (04:29):

So I really appreciate you and I didn’t know this until I’m sitting here looking at you, but I really appreciate you doing it and I think it’s a innovative event. I think it’s different, the qualifiers before or the broadcasted event is to hype it up, not the climax. I like the thought of that. I like the fact that it’s just Jared, just one guy just trying to pull this thing together. Well obviously as a team of guys, but he’s trying to pull this together. It’s all and it feels very communal in that sense, sort of this podcast. Everyone who helps me on the podcast is just communal. Everyone’s just diving and I feel that way about the Zello games and I’m glad he included us in it. I’m excited to see how we’re gonna fuck it up. I mean, enhance it.

Matt Dlugos (05:11):

Yeah, I think it’s super cool that you guys are a part of it. The broadcast. Yeah, dude. And I get to see him working his butt off and how much time he puts into it.

Sevan Matossian (05:21):

And because he’s your housemate.

Matt Dlugos (05:23):

He is my housemate. He’s my flatmate. But

Sevan Matossian (05:26):

Did you feel obligated to do it because of that? No, no,

Matt Dlugos (05:30):

No. Hopefully he didn’t feel obligated to ask me because

Sevan Matossian (05:34):

Of that. Oh shit. I didn’t even think about that. <laugh>,

Matt Dlugos (05:38):

They got a pity. He’s like, hell yeah. I’ve been talking about it a lot. Hey Matt, you wanna do this? But yeah man, it should be fun. Yeah, I think if you’re talking about the season of CrossFit as well, this is a very good step in the right direction for a fully competitive season. Like a fully competitive year. Giving athletes like opportunities. If you’re not a top dog and you can’t do Rogue or you can’t travel to Dubai, it’s like we have other competitions in the States and yeah, I think it should be good.

Sevan Matossian (06:13):

And to be honest, it gives all the people in of my little quadrant opportunities also because all my numbers will skyrocket all everyone who makes content, all of their numbers will skyrocket too. Will cover this morning, chalk up myself. I don’t know if Nate Edwardson or Craig Richie or the buttery bros, I don’t know what they’re covering or talking late fitness, but all anyone who covers it will get a boost in our numbers. So it opens up opportunities for us if we want ’em. Just like it opens up opportunities for you, vendors, all that shit.

Matt Dlugos (06:43):

Yeah. Cause I feel like up until now you really have the same kind of three or four competitions that are bookmarked throughout the year, right? It’s like alza semifinals, games, rogue. They’re just certain bookmarks. And so it’s nice to add some of those throughout the year. And he’s paying and he’s doing all the right things and making sure that this is gonna

Sevan Matossian (07:06):

Be like, we’ll see if he’s gonna pay. I don’t trust nobody, no <laugh>,

Matt Dlugos (07:12):

Dude, all that stuff. That is so for all the athletes, man, I didn’t know if you wanted to talk about that. I saw something on it this morning and I was like

Sevan Matossian (07:21):

Interest. Wait, wait. You saw something just about whether the they’re gonna get paid or not?

Matt Dlugos (07:26):

It was something talking about one of the European ones and a spectator basically based on capacity, based on how many people they bring in that determines the prize pool. So if there’s 60% capacity at an event, there’s essentially no prize money. And if there’s a hundred percent it varies based on that. But I think that’s super interesting way to force it back on the athletes is like, oh, if you don’t

Sevan Matossian (07:54):

Promote it,

Matt Dlugos (07:55):

Right, if you don’t promote this, if you don’t do your job to entertain or create a spectacle, create an event that people would want to come see, then you’re not gonna get paid. And it’s like, is that on the athlete or is that on the venue or not on the or is that on the person hosting?

Sevan Matossian (08:12):

I probably fall, so I probably fall on a different side on both of those topics than you. I obviously I can’t had Jack Farlow on and it was really easy for me to say, Hey, I have sympathy for the event organizers and then I find out Jack won the event and didn’t get his five grand and I’m like, Ooh. And it was different looking into his eyes and being so cap as opposed to me being Cavalier, being like, Yeah, just have compassion. They couldn’t afford it. But when the dude’s sitting here right in front of me, it’s like, dude, I went out there and I fucking won that.

Matt Dlugos (08:47):

What’s the point of the athlete coming there? Right? If he’s not competing for a prize and he is also not being compensated for providing entertainment, then what is the athlete’s role in all of this? Is it just to be kind of a pawn and be like, hey, go out there, go compete. You’re gonna have to pay thousands of dollars to come out here to, whether it’s Western Canada or wherever you’re flying to put up all this money to stay there and compete and then you just get a pat on the back or the little swag bag at the end.

Sevan Matossian (09:17):

Hey, especially you’re

Matt Dlugos (09:18):

Promising so much money. That’s the other thing that’s crazy.

Sevan Matossian (09:23):

You could, what if you went to a competition with Colton somewhere, Let’s say he was gonna be at Zelos games and you wanted to pump up the hype. You could be like, Hey, when I see that Fucktard who stole my spot at the games cuz of the pool bar, I’m gonna shit all over him. He better not even if he’s in the lane next to me, I’m gonna fucking punch him. And you’re like, And then afterwards I’m just trying to sell tickets guys. Well I’m just trying to, I’m like, I love Colton. This is just, just, Or before you go to down under, you’re like, fuck Kahn. He’s fucking so 1980, I’m the new fucking tall, good looking guy,

Matt Dlugos (09:56):

I’m the new

Sevan Matossian (09:57):

Colin. You’re gonna go third. Or you just started saying that there’s problems between you and Ricky and just Yeah,

Matt Dlugos (10:03):

Justin doesn’t want Con on our team. He’s not

Sevan Matossian (10:06):

Get that shit <laugh>.

Matt Dlugos (10:11):

Well, I’ll tell you what you look at. I’m a big UFC guy and you look at some of these UFC fighters and after the fights dude, they’re loving each other. But beforehand mean Michael Chandler talks so much shit like Conor McGregor was the start of it all. But man, now it’s left and right. You got Sugar Sean O’Malley doing the same thing. Whether he loves or hates piore y and he still has to do that. He still has to sell those tickets and sell those paper views and boost his likeness and hype around the fight. So I think that the sport of CrossFit or the community of CrossFit isn’t maybe the most keen to that because there is so much camaraderie and there is so much brotherhood and we’re in this together, we died on this workout. But if you’re looking at it from an entertainment standpoint, I mean there’s a lot of entertaining things that happen in CrossFit, but I think there could be a little bit more on the side of that. I think there could be a little bit more around some of the drama or having a bad guy. Just having someone talking shit.

Sevan Matossian (11:14):

It makes me uncomfortable. I like Al Jermaine Sterling, he’s been on the show a bunch of times, but all the shit he talked to TJ Haw about being on drugs.

Matt Dlugos (11:23):


Sevan Matossian (11:24):

Made me uncomfortable.

Matt Dlugos (11:25):


Sevan Matossian (11:28):

It don’t, because in my mind I wanna say forgive him. Right? I get that. Or I really like Conor McGregor, but when he is sitting down with a broken ankle calling Dustin Porter’s wife a whore, I get uncomfortable. It’s like <laugh>, you know what I mean? It starts to get a little line. Yeah. Where

Matt Dlugos (11:49):

Do you draw that line? I get that

Sevan Matossian (11:52):

Mean. Those guys also, those guys share a pretty in some even after they talk all that shit, fighting with the guy for five rounds in a ring is pretty intimate.

Matt Dlugos (12:02):

<affirmative>. Yeah. You’re wearing each other’s blood. You know

Sevan Matossian (12:07):

Have each other’s just bodies all over each other. And you guys, the two of you now have an experience that only the two of you share.

Matt Dlugos (12:17):

Yeah. If you were gonna, you probably know a little bit more about the sport of mma. If you were gonna suggest someone to get into mixed martial arts, what’s the step? Do you know where you would start? Would it be jujitsu? Would it be just wrestling? Like

Sevan Matossian (12:34):

Grappling jujitsu and striking just right away? Yeah. Grappling jujitsu and striking.

Matt Dlugos (12:40):


Sevan Matossian (12:41):

You thinking about doing it?

Matt Dlugos (12:42):

I’m about getting into it.

Sevan Matossian (12:43):

Really? Mm-hmm <affirmative>, what’s the lightest you can go, What’s the lightest you get can get? Can you make 2 0 5?

Matt Dlugos (12:50):

I can make 2 0 5. I’d get fucked up at 2 0 5. Yeah, but I can make 2 0 5 there. But there, cuz I, I’ve thought about that before. There’s no way I can make it now. To what? 180 5?

Sevan Matossian (13:02):


Matt Dlugos (13:03):

I would be killing myself to try to make weight. But if I was a stocking 2 0 5 and I learned how to use my length, I think I could be pretty tough

Sevan Matossian (13:14):

When we see next week Israel osan get in the ring with this fucking Michael Perrera guy. People are gonna trip. Michael Perrera is not, I would love to have his DNA checked in his chromosomes.

Matt Dlugos (13:28):


Sevan Matossian (13:30):

Not, I mean his jaw is, he’s not a normal man. Yeah.

Matt Dlugos (13:36):

I don’t

Sevan Matossian (13:37):

Have, he’s, I think he’s gonna kill Israel. I think. I hope I’m wrong. I mean Israel’s so good, but I’m scared for him. I think he’s, I that guy is tough. Have you watched his fights?

Matt Dlugos (13:48):

I have, I have. But I

Sevan Matossian (13:49):

Feel hard,

Matt Dlugos (13:51):

I feel this way in CrossFit, right? You see these athletes that they’re not, that they’re, they’re just on another level, right? They’re just a step ahead of everybody else. All those vets and I feel the same.

Sevan Matossian (14:04):

Oh sorry, not him. It’s a, maybe I said his name wrong. Maybe. I

Matt Dlugos (14:07):

Think it’s Alex Per Alex

Sevan Matossian (14:08):

Perra. Oh sorry. Alex Perrera. Thank you. How nice you not to correct me in front of all my No, you did.

Matt Dlugos (14:13):

I wasn’t a hundred percent sure so I didn’t wanna correct

Sevan Matossian (14:17):

That guy’s great too though. That guy Michael Perera is a freak too. That guy fights at 1 71 and he looks at 205 pounder. That guy’s a freak. Sorry, go ahead.

Matt Dlugos (14:25):

That’s another thing when they walk around on fight day. Holy

Sevan Matossian (14:31):

Yes. This guy six four and he’s gonna go down to 180 5.

Matt Dlugos (14:38):

Yeah, well I mean I guess that would be what I would have to do. I’m six four so I would have to lose 40 pounds, 30, 35 pounds.

Sevan Matossian (14:50):

I bet you your weighs 10 more pounds than this dude’s ass. That’s the problem with you CrossFitters. You guys all have these enormous fucking asses.

Matt Dlugos (14:57):

Hey thank you. But yeah, I’d probably, I doubt that they would hit that many weights. I feel like I’ve seen them train before.

Sevan Matossian (15:07):

I mean John Jones is doing it right cuz he is trying to get up and wait, so he’s squatting, he’s putting some weight on those

Matt Dlugos (15:13):

Glutes. Yeah. Yeah. He’s a big fell now. You see pictures of him walking around. He’s 2 60, 2 60, he’s five. He’s a man among boys when he comes back.

Sevan Matossian (15:26):

Speaking of the hype around stuff, when there’s confrontation and conflict in your camp, there was a lot of that. Or just being around big powered people. So you had Beth, Bethany, Chadburn, Carrie Pear and Danielle Brandon. You got these three people, there’s tons of fucking noise around them always. Whether it be Carrie launching a new business, Bethany and Carrie getting C Danielle saying something that offends someone or leaving your camp. And if you can manage that and Carrie being the greatest American, I didn’t mean to, I know there’s a lot of stuff I forgot about accolades that these people have that I forgot, but Carrie Pierce being the greatest female American, whoever lived if you can manage that, that’s all good for you. Right? Oh, and let’s even throw this in here. You had and I don’t mean this as an insult, but the biggest thing that’s happened around your name is the pull up debacle is you.


And when you do the math, oh shit, we’re talking a seconds. If his feet wouldn’t have scraped the ground and give Matt Del Lugo’s a half a second for everything, he goes to the games and Colton. So you have these stories that aren’t the stories that you hear. Let’s say the story around Rich Froning is his record, his four wins or the story around Tia is her six wins. But you have these other athletes where there’s noise around them that’s not necessarily about their accolades but just drama. But if you can manage that, that’s gotta be, That’s good, right?

Matt Dlugos (17:06):

Yeah, I think so.

Sevan Matossian (17:10):

Do you manage it? Well think,

Matt Dlugos (17:12):

I think it depends on how you look at whatever you wanna perceive as drama. Everything goes through the lens that you look at the world. And so if I’m looking at, I don’t look at the pull up the bar or I don’t look at Granite Games as a loss and having this huge drama, even though it was very upsetting at the time and it was something that sucked and you’re mad at somebody, anybody, whatever. It’s really I look at that and then I even look at looking within the camp whenever, if ever would be drama that would flare up or tensions were ever high or there’s just, like you said, a lot of talk a of energy, a lot of

Sevan Matossian (17:54):

Buzz. Yeah. We spent five hours talking about you and Colton over 10 shows on my show. Yeah, Mat del, Mat Luga. So your name’s just constantly being said

Matt Dlugos (18:03):

<affirmative>. Yeah, no, for me I’m like okay, that’s cool. That tells me that I do belong there. That validates myself and my thoughts and what I’m doing every single day and makes it a little bit easier to come back in and train for it. And so if I’m worried about that or if I looked at this year as only being, ah shit, I could, if the pool up bar was a little bit higher, I could have had my dreams come true, then I’ll probably never be happy. Cuz I’m always looking at the outcome, which I know is a little bit different than talking about all the drama and talking about all that stuff. But

Sevan Matossian (18:45):

The drama’s good for you as long as the drama’s good for you. Because attention’s good for everyone, right? Cause it generates eyeballs are good,

Matt Dlugos (18:51):


Sevan Matossian (18:52):

Publicity for sure. But if you can’t manage it then it’s bad.

Matt Dlugos (18:57):

Yeah. It’s like that pressure. If you wanna perceive it as pressure, it’s either gonna make you do well, pop off, do amazing things, or you’re gonna pop and be a dud. Right. It’s like if you can’t handle that pressure. And I think that’s the cool thing about having those high level athletes in the gym every single day is that it is almost like a high pressure situation. I’m always racing somebody, I always have somebody to push off of. So then whenever you get out there on the floor to compete, you look around and you’re like okay these guys that I once put up on a pedestal are fucking up how to tie their shoes in the back corner. They’re asking me for a scoop of carbs. It’s like they’re normal dudes, it’s fine. You’ll compete against them. Go kick their ass. It’s all good.

Sevan Matossian (19:47):



Go places. If I take my kids to Disneyland, the, I’ve only done that once. What a fucking trip that was. But we didn’t get to see Mickey Mouse and I really wanted them to see Mickey Mouse cuz I know as a kid you go there, you know how they had the characters will come out and just mosey around and Disneyland and you kind of want them to see Mickey Mouse or I would have in second grade, my best friend was Jeff Holman and I remember the days, if he wasn’t there he stayed home sick. I was bummed. I would look around the classroom for him to make eye contact with him and be like, Oh today’s gonna be good. We’re gonna fuck around. Yeah. But when you lose Danielle, Bethany, and Carrie, three of the highest profile athletes in the sport, does it make going to the gym less interesting for you or is there almost a relief? How does that affect the dynamic of the gym? Or when even someone Ricky comes in, when he shows up, does it do the opposite where you’re like, Oh fuck, Ricky’s gonna be here this week. This is gonna be dope.

Matt Dlugos (21:02):

I will tell you I get excited whenever Ricky comes in cuz I like Ricky a lot. He’s just a good dude and a good person to train with. And that’s kind of the attitude anytime that we have somebody come in is we’re always just like, most of the time people know somebody else and there’s always good words about him. So you’re excited to have excited to have this athlete come in or this guy come stop by for a week or whatever. As far as a day to day, the day to day difference with the superstars being gone? Well I mean recently Carrie was training for legends for at Rogue. So she had been back. So that’s been kind of fun to have her back in the gym. And honestly we do have such a good group down here and it’s so easy to walk into the gym on given given Wednesday and the energy to just be crazy.


So I could see maybe from an outsider standpoint, if you’re dropping into Las Vegas, you wanna see the girls, you wanted to go to the gym that they trained at all that. But for us doing it day after day, we still have such a great energy. We still have such good camaraderie. Everybody loves each other. Everybody’s still cheering each other on, watching each other do cool shit. So for us, I don’t really feel like much skipped a beat. I feel like things kind of continued on. Cause it’s one of those deals where you can’t control it. I can’t say all this person should stay, Oh this person shouldn’t have left water under the bridge. All that stuff happened. So it’s like, hey, let’s make the best of this situation. And we don’t have the dogs, we don’t have the top people that we once have. But we can still push. We can still get better.

Sevan Matossian (22:48):

Mike, thanks brother. I appreciate it a lot. Mike, My kids in my kid plays tennis and there’s him and another boy are the two best kids in his class. And then you grad in tennis, kids tennis, you graduate based on the speed of the balls. So they have balls filled with the yellow balls, like the balls you see the pros play with. And then there’s like three or four balls that don’t bounce as much but get more and more bounce as it goes on. So what it does is it allows the kids to get all over the court faster. Cuz if you’re five years old, you have to play a smaller court with a ball that doesn’t bounce as much so you can get it right. So there’s two kids, my kid and this other kid, they’re the two best kids in the class. And my kid’s a little bit older than the other kids, six months older.


And my kid just graduated and the teacher said, Hey, I’m letting I’m graduating your kid first. And then because he’s a little more mature than the other kid and then I’m gonna graduate him, but I’m gonna give this kid six months to be the leader. So he can see what it’s like to dominate, but also he can show his leadership to the team. Interesting. When someone like Carrie leaves who I’m the most, I’m guessing the most senior person in the gym and then Bethany does there become a vacuum that you as is probably the best or one of the best male athletes there has to step up into where you’re like, okay, I have to change a little bit. I have to become more motherly?

Matt Dlugos (24:15):

I think that whenever you look at how leadership is displayed, it is different based on the person right there. We have vocal leaders and we have leaders by example. And whenever I came into this situation, I was the baby. I had zero comp, I had a little bit of competitive experience, but not to the level of Bethany, Tola Danielle or Carrie. So I was like, let me go stand in the back and be as far away from everything else as I can and I’m just gonna watch and watch what they do and watch how they act and all that kinda stuff. And the one thing that I realized about Carrie and Bethany is that they are professionals when it comes to this. They are rhythmic machines. They would come in, put their bags down, start stretching, start foam rolling, start mobilizing, get on a bike.


They would start their warmup, they would start their working sets, they would move from one piece to the next. And there was never a, Hey, okay guys, are we ready to start back squatting? Let’s go. So that’s not the type of leadership that I’ve seen. Justin has more of a vocal leadership role for us. He’s firing us up, he’s setting intentions for the day, making sure that we know what we’re doing. But I think where I want to be a leader is I want the guys at the gym or the girls at the gym, the people at the gym to be like, I want to work he does. I want look at him. He came in, he got straight to work. Or he’s look at him getting after his accessory work or look he’s dying on this skill piece, he’s really pushing it. That’s what I need to do to get there because that’s what I’ve seen Carrie do and that’s what I’ve seen Bethany do.

Sevan Matossian (26:01):

And that’s kind of a healthy kind of pressure, leverage, leverage kind of your ego a little bit or who you wanna present yourself to be. That also makes you a better athlete.

Matt Dlugos (26:16):

Yeah, because I think you’re constantly saying, well is somebody watching? Can’t take reps off. You don’t take sets off cuz you’re like, Well I have 15 other people in this gym that whether I think they notice me or not, maybe they do. Maybe they see me not doing accessory and just leaving after the gym or leaving after the met and then they’re gonna think that’s okay. And then that’s the bar that I’ve now set for any athlete that’s coming into the gym. Cause it is also a weird spot for me too. I was talking about all those athletes that are no longer here. So as far as the original gang, I’m kind of the last one that is still out here. And

Sevan Matossian (26:59):

Has Tola been there longer than you?

Matt Dlugos (27:02):

No. To is to, I haven’t seen Tola for a little while, I’ll be honest.

Sevan Matossian (27:06):

Okay. How about Scuds? Does she train in house?

Matt Dlugos (27:11):

She does. She got out here in about August, so she’s been out here for a little over a year. I’m coming up on two years of being out here. And it’s cool because we have

Sevan Matossian (27:22):

A lot of God, man, that must what a crazy two years you’ve had.

Matt Dlugos (27:26):

It’s been wild. It

Sevan Matossian (27:27):

Has been. You were thrown into the fire. Everything that could have happened to you. All the except go to the games

Matt Dlugos (27:34):

<laugh>. Yeah, that’s coming though. But

Sevan Matossian (27:36):

That’s coming.

Matt Dlugos (27:38):

Everything else, man. I don’t know that I would be, It’s been such a growth period for me as a human being that I’m like, this is probably, even though it’s been crazy and there have been times where I’ve been at my fucking last straw, it’s been like super, just a super, I don’t even know how else you would explain it except for growing. I’m a different

Sevan Matossian (28:01):

And motivating. You want your life to be like that, right?

Matt Dlugos (28:06):

I think so.

Sevan Matossian (28:08):

You want there to be things that you remember,

Matt Dlugos (28:11):

Right? Well, and everything that you go through is not, it doesn’t just happen. It affects the rest of it can affect the rest of your decision making and how you view other people, events, things that happen. And for me, that’s been the biggest thing is I’ve gone through through tough stuff or just gone through whatever and now that impacts how I treat people. That impacts how I view the rest of my life going forward. Yeah, I don’t want a boring life. I don’t wanna sit in a cubicle and type on a computer for eight hours a day, 40 hours a week. There are plenty of my friends back home, all the love to ’em, but that’s the life that they chose. They married their high school sweetheart, they had a kid, they’re working their desk job. When their kid grows up, they’re gonna work that desk job.


And it’s just that cycle. And for me, once feeling like I broke out of that, now I can look at that and say, okay, that’s not a situation I wanna really ever put myself in. So if I ever find myself trending towards that, there might be priority shifting or I might need to change some things up. But I know I’m also young, so it’s easy to do this. It’s easy to be free spirited or be like, Oh yeah, I’ll kind of go with the win. But hopefully that it helps the rest of how I live.

Sevan Matossian (29:32):

No one ever wants to have their girlfriend break up with them or boyfriend break up with them or get fired from a job. But in hindsight, you don’t take any of those things back. Once you’re a year away from it, you’re like, Yeah, that was dope. You know what I mean? I tussled with the alligator. No one wants to get fucking bit by Rattlesnake, but if you get bit by rattlesnake, finish the race and everything’s great. I mean, fuck. How much better of a story is that than no.

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