#660 – Reprogramming Rogue Invitational ft. Taylor Self & J.R. Howell

Taylor Self (00:00):

An affiliate tailgate.

Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Bam. We’re live.

Taylor Self (00:02):

We’re gonna do an affiliate tailgate, I think Friday night. So I want you to be there for that. And it’s gonna be like free food for a bunch of people and shit.

JR Howell (00:10):

You talking to Sevan?

Taylor Self (00:11):

No, I’m talking to you.

Sevan Matossian (00:13):

<laugh>. Where’s that? What event are you talking about? Oh,

Taylor Self (00:15):

We’re It’s a competition. I’m running in two weeks called the Charlotte the CrossFit Charlotte Classic. Actually, Hiller just did a review on

Sevan Matossian (00:22):

It. Oh, he reviewed it before it happened.

Taylor Self (00:25):

He reviewed the programming. He said it was the shit. And I’m also paying judges and I, We only know of one other event like that. Does that, Or at least Brian Friend only knows one other event. I don’t know the other event.

Sevan Matossian (00:36):

This is the largest mining dump truck in the world. The B E L A Z 7 5 710. It’s a 4,600 horsepower engine and costs 6 million. It works in the mines of Siberia. It’s 60 feet long, 30 feet wide, 33 feet tall. The driver sits 21 feet off the grounds to quit with eight tires. It’s a 16 cylinder, It has two 16 cylinder engines in it.

Taylor Self (01:14):

Sounds like my dump truck.

JR Howell (01:19):

Is this in some way a refute to the comment that we’re gonna run out of

Sevan Matossian (01:24):

Natural? No, I was, I’m just into dump trucks.

Taylor Self (01:27):

<laugh> got

Sevan Matossian (01:29):


Taylor Self (01:29):

’em. That’s why that the whole intro was so he could say, I’m just into

Sevan Matossian (01:35):

Dump trucks. Yeah, I’m just into truck. I’ve always been into trucks. My kids have all those big Tonka trucks. They can even sit in them and push each other around the yard and shit.

Taylor Self (01:42):

I’m into airplanes. Have you ever seen the C5 Galaxy

Sevan Matossian (01:46):

C? Is that the largest passenger plane?

Taylor Self (01:49):

No, it’s not a passenger plane. It’s a military transport. Type it in. It can carry fucking tanks, dude.

Sevan Matossian (01:54):

C5 Galaxy. Wow. Wow. Isn’t that Laed? C5 Galaxy. Oh my god. This thing is scary looking.

Taylor Self (02:05):

It flies, dude. That’s crazy. How big that

Sevan Matossian (02:08):

Is. Big is scary. It’s the largest military transport aircraft in the world.

Taylor Self (02:15):

You gotta get a side by side from Google Images cause that doesn’t do it. Justice

Sevan Matossian (02:18):

Introduced in 1970 number built 131. Wow. It has a gross weight to 550,000 pounds. Let’s see how much it can carry. A maximum payload of 180,000 pounds could carry all the athletes from rogue. Oh my God.

Taylor Self (02:42):

That dude looks fake. Isn’t that? It’s not fake. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (02:46):

Oh my God.

Taylor Self (02:48):

That’s crazy.

Sevan Matossian (02:50):

That’s the front. Does that so that the cockpits up in the air up there.

Taylor Self (02:54):

Dude, if we have that, fucking aliens are real.

Sevan Matossian (02:58):

Oh my goodness. Look at all the tires and shit on that. Wow. Oh, go to that black and, Oh, there was a black and white photo of them loading something into it. Look at the size of that bomb. They’re loading into it.

Taylor Self (03:11):

That’s a fuck. Yeah. That’s holy fuck. Oh that’s a wow. What is that? It’s like a torpedo.

Sevan Matossian (03:17):

So that thing just rolls out. You just No, you can’t.

Taylor Self (03:21):

No, no, no. They don’t drop that in the air. They’re taking that somewhere.

Sevan Matossian (03:23):

Right. Okay. I was gonna say, you can’t lift that thing up like that while it’s flying. Oh my goodness.

Taylor Self (03:32):

Isn’t that insane? I’m obsessed with airplanes and helicopters.

Sevan Matossian (03:36):

My goodness. Look up the Oh, here we go. Victor Brown wants to get in the mix. Look up the Antonov. it’s even bigger. Look at that helicopter they’re putting in there.

Taylor Self (03:46):

Eh, fuck Russia. Am I right? Keep Roman. Hear you. Flag outta this. Keep his flag out. This

Sevan Matossian (03:51):

Antonov images. Oh, it’s a bigs. It is a bigs. Oh, I saw one of these. I saw one of these. Oh, they got the space shuttle on one of them. Yeah, the nose opens up like it like that on this one too. Wow. That thing is a savage. I saw one of those one time I saw a shit ton of Russians planes one time at the airport in Portland and that they had that one there. It was crazy.

Taylor Self (04:21):


Sevan Matossian (04:24):

Boy, we had quite the run at this week with the Rogue Invitational. 2022 Rogue Invitational put on by Rogue Fitness. Amazing, amazing event. Fantastic competitors. Arguably one of the best displays of fitness you’ve seen anywhere up to today in the world I would say could even stand with shit you see in the Olympics. In my opinion, better. More is better. And comparable to the games in terms of the fact that in the games, you know, often have to wait till the last heat to see some of these high levels of competition at the Rogue Invitational. You were seeing them almost every round and it was cool because they sprinkled in a handful of competitors from the qualifier in the men in the men’s. So we kind of got to see the elite of the elite and then we got to see some of the outlier guys like Jack Farlow or Telo. And then with the women, you would think it was going to be a lesser event possibly because the greats of the sport were missing. Haley Adams, Malo Bryan Tia Tomi. I know I’m forgetting someone. Emma Carey who there’s, I know there’s one or two more, but regardless, it actually was fun not seeing them there and seeing these other girls battle it out and kind of confirming to us that Laura Hvat is Yeah, she really is the real super real deal.


And the money bar. Of course we got to see that in a dramatic event. That being said, in hindsight the two fish autos in programming lovers of programming addicted to programming who are frequent on this show, JR Howell and Taylor Self. I’ve asked them to come on the show and be like, okay, let’s be super nitpicky in hindsight if hindsight is 2020, is that what you say? What do you guys think? Jr what did you think about Big picture? What’d you think about the programming? What’d you think about the week?

JR Howell (06:39):

Yeah, so big picture. I thought it was awesome. I thought from the get go, Katie and Josh and Chris when they went on interviews have said, we have some goals in mind. I think it’s important at this point that we established goals for these off-season competitions. What they’re there for. They both made it pretty clear that their primary goal was to showcase the athletes. I think they did that. Knocked it outta the park Secondary goal, put on a good show. And even what Katie said was even further, bring eyes and bring attention to the entire Iron game. They have the strong man competitors there. You’ve got CrossFit there, they do the Arnold, they have different time of year that has body building. Just bring more awareness there. Check for sure. I don’t remember them saying this, but I would think as a tertiary goal, it would be to test the athletes and they were definitely tested and then maybe as Aary goal, have a well-rounded test enough to where at the end, without even trying, you could say yes, the fittest one. And I think they did that.

Sevan Matossian (07:41):

Taylor, what was that word he used that started with the Q?

Taylor Self (07:45):

He said Ary. I believe it is ary.

Sevan Matossian (07:48):

What the fuck does that mean? Fourth. Oh, fourth. Geez, am

Taylor Self (07:52):

I wrong? I

JR Howell (07:53):

Don’t know. No, that’s right. Yeah. Tertiary is

Sevan Matossian (07:55):

Third. You fucking, you were a Latin major. You’re

Taylor Self (07:58):


JR Howell (07:58):


Taylor Self (07:59):

Are you sure it’s ary? Not coronary.

JR Howell (08:01):

Pretty sure it’s Q U A N. But maybe

Sevan Matossian (08:04):

My mom will chime in here in a minute. She knows all that shit.

JR Howell (08:06):

That’s biology stuff.

Sevan Matossian (08:08):

Oh right. Latin. Latin quality antics shortly. The log opening weight was too heavy. Easy, easy buddy. He settled

JR Howell (08:18):

Down there. We’ll get there. We’ll get

Sevan Matossian (08:19):

Settled down, down. We’re still in the, we’re still driving to the movie theater. Don’t just go put your hand down her pants. Just chill. Taylor big picture of the event the programming, the athletes. What did you see when you watched every last second of the coverage?

Taylor Self (08:39):

Well, I mean we were there I think overall was an amazing venue.

Sevan Matossian (08:42):

Sorry, I apologize. You and JR were there.

Taylor Self (08:44):

I apologize. It was an amazing venue. The spectacle was amazing. It looked like the athletes were really well taken care of. The spectators were well taken care of. I mean just overall looking at spectator experience. I think from that aspect it seemed like an amazing event overall. I think in showcasing the athletes, again, overall amazing events, an amazing event with a couple things that I think could have been better. Or like I said in the outline, hindsight is always 2020, but there are things that happened that I’m sure did not go according to plan which happens at every competition. Some shit pops up and you kind of have to solve the problem and find a solution on the fly. So aside from a couple little hiccups an amazing event for showcasing the athletes for promoting the Iron game, I thought fantastic. The one thing that pops into my mind as a question to that was kind of how every time we were on the show, and this is all I know of it, everyone in our chat was like, gosh, the rogue livestream chat is horrendous. But I never looked at that. But I do remember that came up every time people are like, you gotta get out the rogue livestream chat. Just people talking about CrossFitters doing steroids.

Sevan Matossian (10:13):

Speaking of steroids, your head looks big. Does

Taylor Self (10:16):

It? It’s cause this shirt is a medium, so it’s

Sevan Matossian (10:18):

Making Send the testers. Send the testers. Are you in the testing pool, Taylor?

Taylor Self (10:24):

No, I’m not. Okay. But I’ll piss any day.

Sevan Matossian (10:26):

All right.

Taylor Self (10:26):

It just takes me a while if some guy staring at it.

Sevan Matossian (10:29):

Okay, just your head looks big. I’m in a good mood. Taylor, you look good today. When when you said that I popped, when I read that, I started staring at his head and his head looks thick by killer’s head.

Taylor Self (10:38):

Are you really accusing me of that, bro?

Sevan Matossian (10:40):

No, I’m just saying your

Taylor Self (10:41):

Head looks thick. I’m the ghosties. You know

Sevan Matossian (10:45):


Taylor Self (10:47):

Right now. I am not. If you looked at me and thought I was on steroids right now, then you’re okay. Anyways I’m not. And if they want to at this test me go

Sevan Matossian (10:56):

For it. This testament’s the closest he’s gonna get to the games. Oh,

Taylor Self (11:00):

We’ll see how you amend that statement in a little bit. All right. Get to pissing boy. That’s what you’re gonna text him. <laugh> get to pissing. In terms of finding the fittest there, I think they did it but I would’ve done it just a little bit differently and that’s why we’re having this show. But again, hindsight’s 2020, it’s easy to look at an event after it’s played out and be like, Oh, here are all the adjustments I’ve made. Well fuck anyone can do that. And the key is running an event up to that standard or your own standard prior to it going off or trying to poke all the holes in it before it happens. And me and JR aren’t really sure how good we are of that because there aren’t other people sitting there analyzing our events. And maybe when there are we can say that this argument holds more water. But,

JR Howell (11:55):

And I think it’s also cool too that they interviewed Christian, Josh live there in between heats or in between events and they were just shaking their head, We think we put something together that’s gonna be tough or that’s gonna challenge these athletes and they just crush it. They blow it out of the water and it leaves us standing there like, oh my gosh, the whole thing could have been programmed harder. So it’s be hard to believe that they’re sitting there watching it and Katie and Bill are sitting there watching it and saying, okay, maybe that weight should have been a little bit lighter, a little bit heavier. Okay, maybe it should have been five more reps instead of five less reps. I mean it’s easy to do that when you see it come to fruition. So what we’re doing is a lot easier than how hard it is to program it before it’s happened.

Taylor Self (12:36):

Okay guys. Hindsight has sucked my cock. That’s what hindsight

Sevan Matossian (12:40):

Is. I would like to say that I just getting ahead I do, I think the log weights were actually be beyond perfect. They couldn’t have done it better. If anything I would’ve liked to have seen. I don’t think any females failed in the first round. And I think maybe one or two should have failed. Just like with the men it was a good show. They brought a lot of eyes to the Iron Games, they did it justice. They tested the test for the athletes was fantastic. There was a big word used by JR. Went over my head. The venue was fantastic. The spectacle was a plus. The spectators were treated to an a plus experience. The athletes were treated to a plus experience. They did showcase the athlete’s abilities in a beautiful way given a plus. And the only thing that we’ve heard negative up to this point was is that the chat in the seven podcast is gold and the chat on the live stream is dog shit. That’s fair. Okay,

Taylor Self (13:36):

I would just wanna, let me pull this up and address one thing real quick. I’m sure we’ll get into this, but just as an overall picture, this is an argument that a lot of people will make all the cream Molly arrives to the top, the fittest one. Well that’s great, but you have to remember that second place is $70,000. Third place is like 40 what? Thousand dollars. And the payout scales all the way down. So two through 20 do matter or in rogue’s case two through 10 matter and 10

Sevan Matossian (14:04):

Through 20. And that’s fucking rogue’s fault Austin cuz they give away too much money.

Taylor Self (14:08):

<laugh>. No, I mean it’s fucking amazing. It is fantastic. But when you’re giving away that much money and guys who work harder than anyone in this fucking chat could even fathom harder than even most of a lot of just most people who are even fans of CrossFit. Unless you have someone at that level in your affiliate and you can see it, you don’t understand how hard they work and when there’s that much money on the line, it’s their livelihood. And so it does matter. It really, when looking at it in that context and talking about showcasing the athletes and giving the athlete the correct experience, you want the test to be as close to balance and perfect in the realm of what CrossFit describes as the fittest as you can get it. Because that’s what they’re training for and that’s what they’re trying to win money for. It matters.

Sevan Matossian (15:00):

Yeah, go

JR Howell (15:01):

Ahead. You know may not think that the heavy grace was a great final based on what they had done through the weekend or just based on the test alone. But it did one thing and this kudos to Josh and Chris and Katie and Bill, it allowed Pat to go fast and then lose it at the end. And had that been a sandbag to shoulder workout or had it just been a clean 30 reps for time or maybe had it just been deadlifts even though they had already done deadlifts in the weekend, maybe he doesn’t make that mistake and he wins and now we’re sitting here talking about how Justin can be beaten. But they did program that and he did lose it in the last handful of reps. And in that respect, the programming does matter

Sevan Matossian (15:44):

And it did lead to the fact that going back to what Taylor said, the spectacle was a plus because of the way that was programmed and the spectators got an A plus Battle war.

Taylor Self (15:55):

But I think you can give them edge of your seat. But I think you can give them that and create a little more balance

Sevan Matossian (16:02):

And we’ll get into that. I do wanna say one thing about the two guys that you’re looking at up above me here. I can’t go into all of their credentials. I will tell you this. They take what they do very, very seriously. This is not a joke, this is not like something we’re like, hey, you guys wanna just go do a programming show and then like five minutes before we come on, there’s shitloads of text messages flying back and forth, feelings who get hurt. These guys will deer damn near come down to blows when it comes to some of their thoughts, beliefs, ideas, value hard work that they put into analyzing these events. They have shit tons of experience, whether it be in competition, coaching, running affiliates all at the highest level. I know most of you know that, but I just wanted to let you know that this is we we’re gonna have fun, we’re gonna have a blast here, but this is no one’s saying anything Blasi fair here or casual here. They all recognize the hard work that went into putting this event and that although we can’t match that hard work that they put in, we can do our best. Looking at it in hindsight, Hindsight is 2020.

Taylor Self (17:09):

<laugh> quick side, guess what? So the level four credential is being beta tested this weekend. I actually, I know someone who’s doing the beta test trial.

JR Howell (17:20):

Yeah, I got two emails today about it.

Taylor Self (17:22):

I have a full on CH for when that becomes available

Sevan Matossian (17:25):

Because you’re gonna get right at it.

Taylor Self (17:27):

Yeah, I’m probably gonna get fucking clobber on the first go around but gonna give it a good run. Maybe not. I said that to Andy and I was like, Dude, I’m gonna get fucking wrecked on the first one. He’s like, no you’re not. But we’ll see.

Sevan Matossian (17:38):

Sarah Cooper, all your shows made the weekend. Cheers guys. Thank you. Okay dick butter let’s not suck their dicks too hard. Why not? Why what? What’s up? Why not? Why the fuck not? Okay should we just dig into event number one?

Taylor Self (17:57):


Sevan Matossian (18:00):

Sorry, one more thing too that Taylor has in his notes here that I just want to go over. One of the things that Taylor said is we don’t know their limitations so we don’t, we’re not mind readers of Rogue and so we don’t know their limitations. We don’t know what their goal, we don’t know exactly where they’re coming from <affirmative>. And so we give them that with everything.

Taylor Self (18:22):

But that’s pretty important because they have their implements that I’ve changed and I’m sure there are implements that JR will have changed that we just have no idea why they did it the way they did it and what they wanted. And that for, this is the other thing, Robe is a huge company, extremely successful and an amazing company and they can do whatever the fuck they want and if they just want something type of way because that’s the way they want it. No worries.

Sevan Matossian (18:47):

Event number one, the Texas Trail run out at the Hegar Ranch, two mile R 30 pound for the men, 20 pound for the women then a one mile run. They ditched the ruck shit. I forgot my coffee wrong.

Taylor Self (19:02):

You read it wrong. 1.2 mile ruck.

Sevan Matossian (19:06):

Oh so oh sorry. Yeah, does that matter? 1.2 mile ruck with a 30 pound for the men, 20 pound for the women one mile run and then they had to lift a hundred pound sandbag over some hay bales of three of them and then a two mile run. Taylor, what’s feedback on that? I’ll be right back in 15 seconds.

Taylor Self (19:29):

Should I wait for him to get back? Jr look at this guy’s comment. <laugh>.

JR Howell (19:33):

Well I was gonna say, you could probably tell Susie to go ahead and get your amendment up

Taylor Self (19:36):

There Su Hey guys, love your show. Pull. Pull that bat’s exactly what I was talking about. Always have to listen as podcast. Where are you from? One two. So really wanted to ask a question to Taylor. Do you think you have the balls to say some of what you say about things people to their faces? I wonder what? I don’t think I’ve said anything so egregious that my balls would be that small to not say it to someone’s face. I’m not like slinging any ridiculous name calling of people, but yeah, I think so. I don’t know. Seon someone in the chat saying I don’t have the balls to say what I say on the show to people’s faces. What do you think?

Sevan Matossian (20:16):

I think you are absolutely. Do I think that you actually tone it down for the show? Probably

Taylor Self (20:23):


Sevan Matossian (20:25):

I’m not even joking. This is a wild man work out. Did you? What did you say? When I was gone?

Taylor Self (20:36):

I was just reading that comment. Suza brought it up and we were just playing with it.

Sevan Matossian (20:39):

Okay, so talk about what you would change. And then I wanna ask you this too before you talk about what you would change when we heard Katie Heger say why they put those 300 pound bags in there and it was just to annoy them, I think was the word she used and someone else told us it was to break up their pacing. You have something else in there which you’re about to share. Did you put that in there thinking, I wanna do the same thing Katie wanted? No you didn’t. No, I think you didn’t put that in there saying, I wanna do the same thing Katie wanted, but I think this would be more effective at it. Or No

Taylor Self (21:15):

It was not what Katie wanted, but I think overall it was more effective in my opinion. And I’ll explain why I have the opinion that I have.

Sevan Matossian (21:22):


JR Howell (21:23):

And as we go on, we’re we’re gonna end up backing up a lot of the reasons why we’re doing these things in the early events. We can’t really explain it and you can’t really see it until you see our entire test. Yeah. So if we say we wanna take the sandbags out and you say, What do you mean? You wanna take the sandbags out and say, Okay, well maybe we have a sandbag somewhere else. Maybe you’ll see those sandbags again at some point. But yeah, I mean if you can bring ’em up both side by side, that’d be great. If not, go ahead and just bring Taylor’s up and then side

Taylor Self (21:49):

That would be dope.

Sevan Matossian (21:51):

Okay. Taylor, what would you put in there?

Taylor Self (21:53):

So I changed it simply to, I took the weight lifting element out. I don’t consider the r a weightlift movement. It’s still cyclical repetitive so I view that as mono structural, but I added 30 burpy bail get overs. One because I don’t believe that there ever should be a movement in a workout that’s just in there to annoy you. I think that in a well thought out workout or program, every implement and every movement should have purpose and it should be thoughtfully implemented. I put the burpy bale get overs because they already had the bales out there. They were looking for something to break up the pacing in the run. The event was struggling to have any meaningful amount of gymnastics in comparison to the amount of weightlifting. So removing a pointless weightlift implement, implementing a purposeful gymnastics implement. And the event also did not have burpees to this point or at any point.


So one, I wanted a gymnastic movement that broke up the run. I think that accomplishes the goal, but it’s not just annoying. 30 reps isn’t gonna take 10 minutes, but it’s likely to add two to three minutes to everyone’s time, which isn’t significant, but it is important. And then again, add one to gymnastics, take one away from weightlifting. And then we have burpees in the event. And I am also of the opinion that I just think burpees are very easy to put in a competition. And if you don’t have them in there, I kind of am bummed out. And for people in the audience,

Sevan Matossian (23:36):

Really Taylor, So every competition that has a minimum of six events should have burpees.

Taylor Self (23:42):

I think in some form you can get up, get on the ground and get off the ground in some form or fashion.

Sevan Matossian (23:47):

Burpy, pullups, burs over the bar, burpees over the ba, just some sort of burp,

Taylor Self (23:52):

Some former fashion. This person is asking how are burpees considered gymnastic for the purpose of CrossFit programming? In the level one seminar, they talk about m wg, mono structural weightlifting, gymnastic, and they designate body weight movements that are not structural, so not cyclical and repetitive as gymnastic. And so bur bale get over is just your body getting around another object. Gymnastics

Sevan Matossian (24:16):

Jr. What, let’s see what JR had in there.

JR Howell (24:19):

And remember guys, we made it a point not to discuss any of our tweaks, any of our changes. And while it would be maybe more fun to just rip the whole thing apart and just make our own workouts that why would we do that? That would be taking someone’s masterpiece painting and just saying, Yeah, that’s cool. Take it off the wall. I wanna paint my own up there instead of looking at it and critiquing it. And that’s what we’re doing because the test was awesome. Yeah, it was really well rounded. We started off with something that only could happen at Rogue. Yeah, they start off with a 30 plus minute test out off the property. It’s awesome. But what we’re trying to do is we’re trying to find a way, maybe from a spectator standpoint, even though they couldn’t see this event specifically from an athlete standpoint, from everything standpoint, how do we improve upon it? How do we tweak it? How do we make it more around it? So you’re not gonna see any huge changes, you’re just gonna see minor tweaks.

Sevan Matossian (25:12):

Very interesting. So you guys picked the exact same movement and the exact same number of movements just placed differently. Yeah,

JR Howell (25:19):

And I mean I think that’s important what Katie said about it being annoying. I think if that’s the point and we know that then the way I tried to take that is, okay, I need to keep that annoyingness and what I’m gonna do is I’m gonna have ’em run with weight, take it off, do 10 quick ones, then they start their mile without the run. So now they’re trying to get to a new pace after a mile they’re probably in a good rhythm. They have to stop and do 10 more. They run a mile, they have to stop and do 10 more. So we’re still keeping the three miles of running and the one-ish mile of rucking and we’re just breaking it up a little bit. So our

Sevan Matossian (25:51):

Tesla, Oh do they do that? Do they those first 10 burpees Jr. With the ruck on?

JR Howell (25:54):


Taylor Self (25:55):

Oh wow. I like that

Sevan Matossian (25:56):

With, I like that too. Let me throw some things out there. Why if you not make a heavier ruck, why not make it a 50 pound ruck? It’s just one mile, 50 and 35. And then the other thing is why aren’t you guys going for 50 burpees? These are the elite of the elite. Why don’t you have 1515 Jr. And why didn’t you have 50? Taylor, go ahead Taylor, you first about the weight. Weight of the ruck and then the number of bures.

Taylor Self (26:27):

Well if you’ve ever done any amount of rucking, the more distance you add with load, generally speaking, the intensity decreases. And it was clear that after this first event and how people’s bodies responded the dose was potent. And so I think leaving that one mile ruck where they are running as fast as they fucking can with that mile, knowing that they’re gonna ditch it and then feel lighter to run another mile, I think that’s fine. You don’t need any more weight than that. And also looking at the totality of the weekend, there’s so much weightlifting, I don’t consider this weightlift, but you don’t need to add more load to the athletes

Sevan Matossian (27:03):

Time under tension

Taylor Self (27:05):

In terms of the 30 versus 50, I was just trying to make it something that wasn’t like an egregious time domain change to the workout. I think if you make it 50 perpe ba get overs, the workout is at minimum 40 minutes instead of 31 minutes and it just adds up. The 20 extra burpees adds up makes generally the entire set of 50 a whole lot slower than each burpee is a little bit slower than they would be in a set of 30. And then you’re also adding time to the other movements as a result of the 50 get overs. I just didn’t think that was necessary. I thought 30 did this. It wasn’t enough to completely change the stimulus of the workout, but it was enough to make the burpees important where couldn’t just, it wasn’t just three bags over the BA that were kind of irrelevant just to break up pacing it. It’s 30 reps in a row that matter and if you fall behind now you have to catch it back up on a run, which is really hard to do when you’re winning a run. You want to be out in front. So I thought the 30 was just fine for that

Sevan Matossian (28:08):

Jr. Why not make it 20 sandbags if it’s gonna be a hundred pounds? Why add burpees? I know you guys like burpees, but why not just take the bag and make them go back and forth over the hay bale 20 times? Well,

JR Howell (28:22):

I think it’s all about what you like and it’s all about what you’re biased to. And everyone who programs has that. And to me, when I look at the totality of the test and I see four mono structural, 14 weightlifting, seven gymnastics, I like to try to balance that a little bit more. That’s just what I like. So you take that sandbag movement out. Sure, it’s only three reps but it’s, it’s still moving load and there are four workouts over the course of the 10 that have sandbag of some kind <affirmative>. So I think remov it and putting in a gymnastics element doesn’t take away from the test at all. I was talking to some of the guys Jason, I think maybe he told I think maybe Pat told him this too, after that first mile their heart rates were at 180 and they stayed there the entire rest of the workout, which is not to be able to keep that kind of intensity. So I don’t think that doing a mile, doing 10, doing a mile, doing 10 doing a mile, I don’t think you lose any intensity there. I think a lot of people may push back and say, well that’s just gonna be an excuse to slow down. No, no, I don’t think so.

Taylor Self (29:22):

No, not at all.

Sevan Matossian (29:24):

Let me see if I heard that right. You’re saying that they, after the first R that Vener was saying his heart rate stated around 180.

JR Howell (29:31):

I know Jason said that. And then that was secondhand from Jason about with Pat back and forth, they’re like, Yeah, mine too. I mean when they looked at their watches, they were saying they were in the one eighties for the majority of the workout,

Sevan Matossian (29:40):

Which is nuts

Taylor Self (29:42):

And watches aren’t a hundred percent accurate, but it was probably pretty fucking high.

Sevan Matossian (29:47):

Wow. That is gnarly. JR. One of the people says, you need that picture you have hanging on the wall there doesn’t work there. And I think I agree with them, it should be a larger picture.

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