#657 – Rogue Invitational Recap ft. Brian Friend, Saxon Panchik, Barbell Spin, and Hiller

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

And I put links for the barbell spin also in the, uh, notes, which I emailed to you. Bam. We’re live.

Caleb Beaver (00:06):

Cool. Sounds good.

Sevan Matossian (00:08):

Uh, good morning. Good. Paul Vindicate, Jeremy World Roseview Photography, and those of you who are addicted to crack, The seven on podcast is like crack. I can’t get enough.

Andrew Hiller (00:25):

Who doesn’t love crack?

Sevan Matossian (00:27):

Andrew Hiller is like crack. I can’t get enough. Uh, are you, so were you sore from the heavy Grace Hiller?

Andrew Hiller (00:34):

No, sir.

Sevan Matossian (00:35):


Andrew Hiller (00:36):

Nothing. It’s pretty cool. Wow.

Sevan Matossian (00:39):

<laugh>, Wow. Uh, there’s a Chevon sub clip station, um, that that is up on. If anyone would like to peep it. It was, it was a really, uh, extraordinary, um, thing that Andrew did. And then after the show, I talked to him and I go, What do you think? He goes, I was scared shitless and I was so stoked to hear that because it was fucking a ballsy move. Uh, Jeff Bacon,

Andrew Hiller (01:04):

I was, I think Caleb afterwards. It’s the first time I’ve done a jerk since I’ve had the elbow surgery comfortably. So that was pretty nice.

Sevan Matossian (01:11):

I want to tell you, I, um, it inspired me last night at about 10 30 at night. At about 10 I got on the assault bike, uh, did 200 calories. And then at 10 30 I did, uh, Grace, I went overhead with 1 35 probably for the first time and over a year, and I did Grace. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (01:27):

What was your

Sevan Matossian (01:28):

Time? Slight buzz. I, I would prefer not to say,

Andrew Hiller (01:31):

Didn’t you see your Buddy Tess’s video?

Sevan Matossian (01:34):


Andrew Hiller (01:35):

It was in relation to the swimming workout that he did in Max Hodge. My guy, no, tried to put, I don’t know if I can do it justice, because it was rather long. I didn’t finish it. So it had to do with whether or not, if you time a workout, if it’s considered CrossFit, I think is a good summation of it. If you time a workout. If you don’t time a workout. Yeah. You

Sevan Matossian (01:53):

See it. Brian? I timed it what

Brian Friend (01:55):

Dave had

Andrew Hiller (01:55):

To say. Yeah, what Dave had to say.

Sevan Matossian (01:58):

Uh, I just,

Brian Friend (01:59):

I didn’t watch it. I just, I kept kind of an assumption.

Sevan Matossian (02:02):

I, I, um, uh, Sevan, you’ll be looking shiny today. I, uh, I took a shower like I do every morning. Um, I will tell I’m extremely exhausted. I ended up staying way, way, way too late.

Andrew Hiller (02:15):

Do you dress

Sevan Matossian (02:15):

Up? Say it again?

Andrew Hiller (02:17):

Do you dress up,

Sevan Matossian (02:18):

Dress up for what? Oh, no, no, no. You party. No, no, no, no. Yeah, I dressed up as I dressed up as Caleb

Andrew Hiller (02:25):


Sevan Matossian (02:27):

Um, I, I wanna, I wanna make, uh, a couple things clear, uh, right off the bat, do a little bit house cleaning. Um, Rogue did appeal, Sorry, Rogue did video appeals on every single overhead squat appeal that the athletes put in. Kudos to them for that hats off. Uh, and yes and

Brian Friend (02:45):

No. We’ll, we’ll talk about that more later

Sevan Matossian (02:46):

On. Okay. Uh, kudos from me. Maybe not. So kudos from Brian. Um, and, uh, just to be, uh, clear, we did speak, uh, quite a bit about the judge in the center lane, and I think we were very, uh, honest about it. And we were not, we, we in a, in summation at the end, we weren’t criticizing her necessarily. We were just concerned with the inconsistencies between the center judge and other judges. Some of us were like, Yeah, you know what, maybe that hip isn’t opening all the way, but look at everyone else. And so, uh, it’s not an attack on the judge, um, per per se, it, it was, we we’re making more of an observation, but

Brian Friend (03:27):

Well, generally in a situation like that, when it’s very obvious to everyone watching live and online that something different is happening in one lane than is happening in the rest of the lanes. That’s what the, that’s what the head judge is there for. So the head judge is, is supposed to be aware of that and then make a, make an evaluation or a decision and say, Is that judge making a bad call or an inconsistent call? Uh, and, and what can I do so that that doesn’t continue to happen? Because it should never be the case that whether the judge is making the right call or the wrong call, that just because you are, are put into a specific lane that you’re at a disadvantage relative to your other competitors.

Sevan Matossian (04:08):

If, if you want, if your goal is to make the competition fair,

Brian Friend (04:12):

Which I believe it is, it always

Sevan Matossian (04:14):

Should be. Right. Right, right. And I believe it is too. It’s just one, it’s, I don’t wanna make any assumptions of what people think competition is and is not, uh, Devesh, maharaj, devesh, I always picked the comments just cause I like to say your name. Did Brian make out with sax? And two, he sounds sick. Uh, Brian,

Brian Friend (04:33):

Who else was he making out with

Sevan Matossian (04:35):

<laugh>? Did I miss that

Brian Friend (04:36):

Form of who else he was making out

Sevan Matossian (04:38):

With B Brian words? Did you kiss, hack and Pan open mouth?

Brian Friend (04:44):

Well, it was, you know, obviously we were speculating about the, something might be wrong with him. It didn’t, you know, I didn’t necessarily think he would have a, a top five or even a top 10 finish at Rogue. But the finish, his overall finish was not, what was concerning to me was wa just watching him work out. It didn’t, you know, it was like watching Chandler Smith at the Granite Games this past year. I was like, that’s not the guy that I’m used to seeing out on the competition floor. And, you know, we didn’t know if or what was going on with him. And now after the fact, he has said that, you know, he didn’t have the, the energy that he is used to having in his workouts and findings out that he was sick. And so, uh, you know, that makes a sense to me.

Andrew Hiller (05:19):

I was pretty critical of him in relation to the handstand pushup workout, if I am not mistaken. And the other events, he usually kind of makes up some of that space, which would be like, kind of his just pure strength movements, which is what JR was calling that workout a strength test, the strict handstand pushup and dumbbell s snatch. And you’re right, yeah, like the Hill Run workout, he should have done much better on that. Just pure conditioning and typical CrossFit stuff.

Sevan Matossian (05:45):

Uh, Caleb, if you scroll down on that, there’s a link to actual Saxon Pans post. Uh, in regards to that, I did send him a link this morning. His said his voice is pretty darn beat up, but that he would try to make it on for a few minutes. Um, and well, I I would just be curious what that was like for him when he realized it, how it set in. Did you talk to him at all over the weekend, Brian?

Brian Friend (06:11):

No. And, uh, uh, Patrick Clark was having some interactions with some of the people from proven, so I had asked him if he had a chance to bring it up. Um, but I don’t, you know, they didn’t say anything during the competition about it at all.

Sevan Matossian (06:25):

Um, he said he never felt better going into the event that he was just completely prepared. But sometimes life throws you a curve ball. It became more clear to me each day that something wasn’t right. Mentally. I was ready and hungry to compete, but physically my body was shutting down each event. The thought of withdrawing has never been a thought to cross my mind. So by the final day, I knew something was wrong. A positive Covid test isn’t how I plan to leave the weekend. As an athlete, you tend to think getting sick won’t affect you, but this is still a tough pill to swallow. I, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m more impressed by him than ever, actually. That’s pretty badass.

Andrew Hiller (07:04):

I hope we done when I’m on, I have a question to ask him.

Sevan Matossian (07:07):

Uh, <laugh>,

Andrew Hiller (07:10):

It’s, it’s, it’s not, it’s not the bad. It’s a cool, it’s a funny question,

Sevan Matossian (07:13):

I think. Okay. Um, it was a pleasure meeting Brian this weekend. All the real media are real, authentic and truly care about the community. Thanks for all you do. Uh, so many of you have sent us the nicest, um, uh, texts and, uh, emails and dms. By the way, the support’s been crazy. Dude. Saxon, What’s up brother?

Andrew Hiller (07:32):

What’s going on, man?

Sevan Matossian (07:33):

Are are you glistening? Is that sweat on you?

Andrew Hiller (07:36):

No, I just jumped in the shower.

Sevan Matossian (07:38):

All right. Uh, we were just looking at your post. A crazy dude. Absolutely crazy, right?

Andrew Hiller (07:46):

Yeah. I mean, frustrating, but yeah, I mean, it is what it is.

Sevan Matossian (07:50):

Um, can you tell us when you first were, like, when you finished the trail run, uh, what place did you take on the trail run? Do you remember?

Andrew Hiller (07:58):

I took an eighth.

Sevan Matossian (07:59):

Was it setting in there as you crossed the finish line? Were you like scratching your head? Like, or, or were you happy with that?

Andrew Hiller (08:05):

Uh, no. Like, I woke up that day a little bit with like a sore throat, um, and I like had a little bit of a cough overnight and I was just like, you know, just traveling, like, it was like cold and rainy there the one day. Um, and I was just like, ah, it’s probably like allergies are the weather. Uh, who knows what, you know what I mean? Just like switching beds, dust, I don’t know. Um, but like, I ju like, I thought that was my best effort in that it was something that I was like really working on as to like rocking running. Um, and really just a lot of like, my conditioning, excuse me. Um, I thought I could have done it a lot better in that workout, but again, like in eighth place and something like that, you know, isn’t necessarily bad. But I wouldn’t say it was like great either.

Sevan Matossian (08:48):

And, and, and, and when you’re in that competition mindset, when, when you get a sore throat or you might not feel good, do you just push that away? Are you like, Hey, I don’t even have time for those thoughts, You’re just like, No.

Andrew Hiller (08:57):

Yeah, I mean, I think every athlete’s different. I mean, for me, I’m just like, Hey, you know, it is what it is. Like I’m gonna want to continue competing no matter what. Like whether you have allergies, like obviously, like I didn’t know that I had Covid, Um, but like, whatever it is, like, you know, you’re gonna continue competing, whether you have like, like rolled angle or like hurt your knee or like sore back, you know what I mean? Like, as an athlete, you’re gonna wanna continue.

Sevan Matossian (09:22):

And then, and then the second event, Brian was, what, what was the second event? Was it,

Brian Friend (09:26):

That was a ski bar? The, the log muscle up.

Sevan Matossian (09:29):

Uh, okay, so then on that one, you take the field for that one. And is, is it any of it starting to creep into your brain, into your thoughts at all? Like, hey, something might not be right or did you hadn’t quite, you weren’t even gonna allow that at that point?

Andrew Hiller (09:41):

Yeah, no, I mean, I was just, I wasn’t thinking that really at all over the entire weekend, really until like Saturday evening when we got onto dt. I think those other events we saw weren’t really like metabolically there. I think I was missing, like, I was kind of really like lethargic that I feel like moving with like purpose and urgency wasn’t to where I expected it to be. But again, like just knowing like, hey, you’re in competition. Like maybe it’s nerves, maybe it’s, you know, I’m just sore from the run, like whatever it is. Um, but again, really, I wasn’t thinking that. I just felt very like, just slow lethargic again. Like even in a workout like that, I, I know that I could have done better. Um, but like, again, it wasn’t like a terrible event either.

Sevan Matossian (10:26):

Uh, did you have a headache?

Andrew Hiller (10:28):

Um, that didn’t really come until like Sunday, I would say like, it, like each day it started to progress significantly more and more. Um, I’d really kind of peaked yesterday I feel like. Um, but I really didn’t notice it until we got to Sunday where I would say like, we got more into like the CrossFit style stuff, even Saturday night, like the dt like DT where it’s like heavy breathing. Um, when we got to that I was like, Okay, like it’s cold out. Like we sat there for a little bit, like, uh, biking something that I’ve really worked on. I was like, um, and then I just got there and I hit the first two rounds, like very hard and I just felt like I just threshold out very quickly and like to be like standing there with my hands on my knees on a barbell movement, Um, I can understand like if my bike slowed down, which I think it did a little bit, but just to be standing there on something like that was just like very unusual.


Again, I really didn’t think too much of that. Um, and then we came to Sunday and, um, really I would say that muscle up workout was like that peak, um, where I was like, Okay, let’s just like try and like ease into each round, get a little bit faster. Um, and I hit those first two rounds, like I think leading, leading our Heat. And I was like, Okay, like, let’s roll. Um, and then like I started to get up that hill and just felt like I, like metabolically just wasn’t there. Um, and it was like round three. I just like blacked out, peed my pants, <laugh>, and,

Sevan Matossian (11:55):

Um, no shit.

Andrew Hiller (11:57):

Yeah, but it, like, again,

Sevan Matossian (11:58):

On on which movement? On which movement?

Andrew Hiller (12:01):

I don’t even know. I think it was the like, last set of muscle ups, whereas like, like I did a single and then came down and then just known to like, take off. Like I, like, I really don’t remember the last three rounds in that workout. Um, Oh shit. But I just, I, I knew I just needed to make moves in order to like continue to try to move up the leaderboard. Um, but like, and then just climbing that last hill, um, just felt like I was breathing through a straw.

Sevan Matossian (12:27):

So at that point you knew something was wrong that, I mean, that’s pretty uncharacteristic. You were basically just like losing control of your body,

Andrew Hiller (12:34):

Right? Yeah. And the turnovers were so fast on Sunday, just cuz they tried to finish those days a little earlier that I was like, okay, we got one more. Um, and grades 2 25. I mean, that’s something I’ve done before. Um, and I was like, Hey, this is, this is my jam. And I think I got like five cleaning jerks in and like just hands are on the knees and to take dead last and something like that. Um, and to like just be missing raps and just like really stand there. Like I was, I was wheezing a lot on that workout and like, I walked off the floor and I was just like the, like, this just isn’t me. Um, and like, just something just feels really off.

Sevan Matossian (13:11):

So those, uh, someone on the show and, and I apologize, I don’t, it might have been, uh, said that, um, the reason why you didn’t do well, it was, it was Hiller. It was Hiller someone, it was acting no matter what. Someone on the show said the reason you didn’t do well at Heavy Grace is because you still have a pre-pubescent body. No, they weren’t that harsh. They said, they said that it not mine. They said that be they, they were speculating that because you started CrossFit so young that you, that uh, you just weren’t putting on the bulk and size necessarily of your brother and the muscle mass. That’s just complete horse shit. That’s just, just us for sure. Grasping ATS straws. Tell us Seth, for sure, you used the word horses

Andrew Hiller (13:52):

Shit as well. No, I mean, I don’t, I don’t disagree. Um, I, I did start at a very young age and like, I think like the old motto of like, Weightlift coming up was like a lot of like isolated movements where you’re obviously able to work small muscle groups, big muscle groups, and really put on that size. That wasn’t something that I really ever went through. Um, you know, 12 years old, I don’t even think I had hair under my armpits and I was doing CrossFit. Um, and it was just, it’s just, it was all that I knew. Um, and I just continued that. And obviously it’s stuff that like, I continue to like, evaluate and like, that’s a big goal for the off season is to be able to put on a little more muscle mass to increase. Like I would say specifically, like you look at the strick handstand pushups, um, I need to focus on stronger shoulders and um, you know what I mean? Like, and with that standard, it’s just something that is just gonna take a little more time and being able to isolate the shoulders more, you know what I mean? Like strict and seeing pushups weren’t, I

Sevan Matossian (14:49):

Don’t know what you mean, you look buffy’s shit to me, me. So I I have no idea what you mean. <laugh>.

Brian Friend (14:54):

Well, Saxon

Andrew Hiller (14:56):


Brian Friend (14:57):

You’re saying is, you know, makes sense in line with, with what we were talking about is that there were some specific workouts over the course of the weekend that like, you know, like you said, barbell cycling, you know, dt even the ed squats and then obviously the finale are stuff that I would always expect you to do very well in. And then when I look back at the end of the week, I’m like, man, like he didn’t look right on the competition floor and this doesn’t look right on paper relative to who I know this guy to be.

Andrew Hiller (15:21):

Right? Yeah. And it, like I said, like, you know, it’s, I I never wanna be one full of excuses or things like that. Even like, it was something that I thought about, um, was like more of like, if I could walk away from that and be like, um, oh hey, that was like my, like, I truly feel like that was my best effort. Um, and like that matches up to where my training was up to that point. Okay, cool. But like, when that doesn’t, and I know that, um, you know, I just have to be honest with myself and like really, I felt like that started to come out more and more as the weekend went on that like, hey, this isn’t, this isn’t who I am,

Sevan Matossian (15:56):

Mr. Hiller,

Andrew Hiller (15:58):

You’re strong as shit sex. All right. So, um, I remember the first time I ever stood next to you, I think Loza, you had no idea who the fuck I was, but we were,

Sevan Matossian (16:07):

He still doesn’t, he still doesn’t, he still

Brian Friend (16:09):

Doesn’t, he knows now he just doesn’t

Andrew Hiller (16:11):

Care. He, he officially knows me as the guy who was talking shit on the livestream about his muscle mass. So the, the thing that I remember of you is you were with your brother and I mean your two brothers competing and you had to do a one rep snatch on the Bayfront and you hit something like 290 pounds. And I remember you walked off the floor and you were like, That narrow. I’m like, how in fuck did he just pull that off? And that’s like kind of been a lasting in per uh, impression that I’ve had of you. And it’s something that carried over into stuff like that strict handstand push up. It’s just something I’ve always been wondering if you’ve been trying to throw on some muscle mass. Uh, I look at the quarter final workout, which was the other total, and if I had to guess the thing that held you back would’ve been the bench press. Is that right?

Andrew Hiller (16:51):

A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Andrew Hiller (16:53):

And at which rate? And that’s clearly something you’re probably working on, right? You already said shoulders and upper body pressing and

Andrew Hiller (17:00):

For sure. And, um, I think just coming off of the games, like my big focus was like, Hey, let’s just, like, I need to, I need to, um, focus just on something. Just knowing that again, like that performance at the games wasn’t what I, um, expected. And so I just really focused on instead of like really hitting a lot of my weaknesses, I focused on, you know, being CrossFit well rounded. So like now it’s time to like, okay, let’s take that step back. Let’s just focus on some other things and let’s focus on this next season. Um, and that’s just gonna again, come with time. I don’t think, I can’t expect a bench 3 35 in six weeks, you know what I mean? Like, that’s just, it’s a slow process and it takes

Sevan Matossian (17:36):

Time. California hormones,

Andrew Hiller (17:38):

12 weeks

Andrew Hiller (17:39):


Sevan Matossian (17:39):

12 weeks, uh, Saxon sounds like the complete opposite of, of yesterday’s Starbucks employee. Uh, we did a piece yesterday on a Starbucks Starbucks employee who was complaining that they’re overworked and wasn’t taking any responsibility. And this is, uh, enormous compliment as, um, as, uh, Saxon takes ownership of everything, which is pretty, uh, damn impressive. Go ahead, Hiller,

Andrew Hiller (18:03):

One of the biggest critiques of Haley Adams is that her, I think she’s spoken about it in public, about how she likes to keep him doing metcons on me con it’s kind of what she’s drawn to. And in relation to you putting on some mass, putting on some strength, if you’ve seen your programming shift in that direction, like away from your typical cross state met con into some more typical power lifting, body building, or no?

Andrew Hiller (18:24):

Yeah, I’m, you’re

Andrew Hiller (18:25):

Proving, I’m assuming Shane would be putting you down that path

Andrew Hiller (18:28):

For sure. Definitely. But, um, like the big focus for me was being ready for Rogue, um, that like, our turnover to Rogue was just so fast that like, I wanted to continue to bring all of my CrossFit movements. I do think like going down that road, you’re gonna, you might have to take a step back away from a lot of other things. Um, but for me, I just wanted to see like where my foundation was, just being under a new program, new coach, new team, new environment. Um, I wanted to see really like what that looked like. Um, and I already obviously started those conversations, um, with Shane as to like what the future’s gonna look like and training up to next year.

Sevan Matossian (19:04):

Uh, Cly Dale Media. Saxon is a class act. He will be back better than Did you, um, are, are you home now or are you in your hotel?

Andrew Hiller (19:12):

No, I’m home.

Sevan Matossian (19:14):

How was the travel home? How did you flew home?

Andrew Hiller (19:16):

Yeah, I got back. Um,

Sevan Matossian (19:18):

That’s the last thing I wanna do is go in a plane. Sick. That sucks. They pressurized that cabin at 9,000, right? Is that the,

Andrew Hiller (19:26):

Weren’t they arresting people for that at one point?

Sevan Matossian (19:29):

Did you get, did you get arrested? Um, so so do you think you’ve turned the corner with Covid? Do you feel any better?

Andrew Hiller (19:37):

Uh, I feel like LA yesterday was really the peak. I’m hoping that like last night was a hard time just like sleeping and like, just coughing a lot. Um, so I’m hoping like we’re on the downline where I’m starting to get better each day.

Sevan Matossian (19:50):

Um, overall, do, um, what was your, what were your thoughts on the event? Uh, the entire Rogue Invitational in, in, in the way, uh, Bill and Katie and gang, uh, treated you?

Andrew Hiller (20:00):

They always do a great job. Um, and that’s why, you know, always wanna keep coming back. Um, <laugh>, they, they take care of the athletes. They put the athletes first more than anything. Um, and they hear you out and you know, any concerns that you have. So, you know, for something like that, an event to be on, like ran like that for athletes, it’s incredible.

Sevan Matossian (20:20):

Yeah. Awesome. We, uh, we received, uh, information saying that they listened to every single appeal, um, on the overhead squat workout, and, uh, and they ran them all. And I found that, uh, uh, pretty consistent with what you’re saying about them caring about the event.

Andrew Hiller (20:35):

Yeah, of course. They just, they do a good job. It’s, it’s a, it’s, I don’t wanna say it’s a small team, but like, compared to I think what you see at some of these other events, it’s very, uh, the communication with them, um, is very, very good that, you know, nothing’s ever misled to anybody.

Brian Friend (20:51):

Was there, from your perspective, was there any, um, concern or or problem with that they rushed you guys out there for the log lift a little earlier than originally planned?

Andrew Hiller (21:00):

Um, I mean, yeah, we definitely got rushed, but I think I would rather be rushed on something like that than a one rep snatch or a one rep cleaning jerk. I think like it’s a log, you know what I mean? It’s like you either can lift it or you can’t,

Sevan Matossian (21:14):

Uh, more, more responsibility taking myself,

Andrew Hiller (21:17):

I think. I think, I think maybe if we start a little whiter, I think like, I think two 60 was significantly heavy. I think a lot of athletes were looking at each other. I mean though, I know my pr up to that point was 2 45 and I was like, Dang, all right, well you’re either gonna hit this or you miss the lake. Like it is what? Its <laugh>,

Sevan Matossian (21:36):

Uh, uh, Ian Adams. What if there was a Covid games? Uh, everyone gets it at the start of the week and see who wins. Well, we know who the champ would be. Uh, we’re looking at ’em, the champ of the Covid games. <laugh>, uh, sa uh, anything else, uh, for Mr. Panchi before we let him go back to his chicken soup?

Brian Friend (21:57):

Oh man, It’s, it’s tough that that happened, but, uh, commend you for sticking with it and, and trying to fight through and still giving your best.

Sevan Matossian (22:03):

Yeah, Zach and you the man, and thanks for doing this. Really appreciate that you came on a lot. Of

Andrew Hiller (22:08):

Course. Thank you. Thanks

Andrew Hiller (22:09):

For tolerating me.

Sevan Matossian (22:10):

All right. Have a good one. Sax and Panik. Wow.

Brian Friend (22:16):

Wow. He was like, and during the, uh, muscle up workout that he was talking about, I was making notes by Round cuz I wanted to see, you know, how often, uh, the leaders after round’s, one or two would be passed over the course of the workout. And it was very infrequently, but one of the notes that I made was in the middle of round five Saxon falling back. And so that, I mean, it was, you know, exactly like he was talking about, he was just falling off the pace. And those last couple rounds were pretty difficult for him.

Sevan Matossian (22:41):

Uh, Taylor, did you let your kid, did you let your kids trick or treat they trick or treated their asses off And then, um, we were at a, a friend’s house and when we left late in the evening, um, they left all their candy there. You know, what was interesting is my son, my son Avi, when we got back to the house we were at, um, they didn’t have any candy to give out, so he just put up his bucket and used his candy to give out to kids who came to the door Beast.

Andrew Hiller (23:07):

I put a box over granola bars on the porch and that one was taken,

Brian Friend (23:11):

Come on,

Sevan Matossian (23:12):

<laugh> <laugh>,

Andrew Hiller (23:15):

It was like a 100 box from Costco. I stuck him out there and no one took one.

Sevan Matossian (23:18):

You’re lucky I didn’t come by to taking a shit in your bowl for that

Andrew Hiller (23:22):

<laugh> granola bars.

Sevan Matossian (23:25):

Um, you can, I I don’t take lightly what he said about passing out, uh, but blacking out during those, uh, final, uh, rounds. I, I believe that is a hundred percent true and it ki it, it’s, it’s pretty impressive that he went on the, the pee the pants. It’s all, uh, it’s

Brian Friend (23:43):

Pretty, this is one of the, I mean, I know he is not one of the oldest guys in the field, but he’s one of the most experienced competitors that was out there. He has been around forever. Not only has he seen his brother do it, he’s been doing it and he’s, you know, he competes off season, he competes in in all the elements, all the movements, and it just, everything adds up. It makes sense that this was not the Saxon Patrick that we usually see. Um, and and his attitude also is in line with, you know, the character that they, those guys have always

Sevan Matossian (24:08):

Had. And unless he’s a Academy Award winning actor, he does seem sick as shit right now. When we interviewed him, I thought he

Brian Friend (24:15):

Thought you were paying him $5 per cough.

Sevan Matossian (24:18):

Yes. <laugh>, Yes. Uh, Sevan, uh, did you see the senate committee report that a lab was the most likely origin of Covid? Tens of millions died, no one really cares. I did. I did and I continue to watch it and it’s just all a a just the, just absolutely bat shit

Andrew Hiller (24:36):

Crazy and, and bushed it. Nine 11,

Sevan Matossian (24:38):

Uh, just easy Hiller, just so you know, every time now, just because I just said that on the show, I will get now in YouTube, uh, something saying every single show we do because it comes up in every single show. I get a little mark saying that this show has been flagged for monetization. I always put in a review, <laugh>, Kayla, I’ve always put in a review and I’d say 99% of the times we pass the review, YouTube says, Okay, sorry. It was our bad. But every single time, soon as you say that word, they have something that listens and um, and they, and they ding us for it. They stop monetization on it right away until we ask for a manual review.

Brian Friend (25:16):

That’s why, um, Saxon put a asterisk in his post probably.

Sevan Matossian (25:21):

Oh, okay. Yeah, he’s smarter. He’s definitely smarter than me.

Brian Friend (25:26):

Or just, you know, guess I don’t wanna say you’re aware of it too. You just don’t care as

Sevan Matossian (25:31):

Much, I guess. Yeah, that’s fair enough. Um, there are, um, some things that I would like to, uh, talk to Brian friend about his, uh, biased reporting.

Andrew Hiller (25:42):

I got one minute

Sevan Matossian (25:44):

At, at the barbell bend. He, then I’ll use this so you can help me attack Brian, uh, before

Andrew Hiller (25:48):

He goes, Yes. Let’s attack Brian quick.

Sevan Matossian (25:50):

He said he uses the word, um, he uses the word to describe Justin Maderas behavior as, I can’t, I can’t even find it in my notes. Uh, that he stole points. Is that the word you use, Brian? Yep. Is that appropriate? Why can’t you just say that he worked hard? Why do you have to make it so dramatic? His stole points? Who did he, He didn’t steal anything.

Brian Friend (26:19):

It’s uh, what Hillary, you have any thoughts on that?

Andrew Hiller (26:26):

He kind of goes along with his pacing of workouts. No, look it,

Sevan Matossian (26:29):

Because look

Andrew Hiller (26:30):

It, by the way, right at the end of every single workout, it seems like he’s just right in the perfect spot to finish. A police are too higher. And I’d have to say that’s kinda what he’s getting at, right? Bryan?

Sevan Matossian (26:39):

Yeah. In the process. Maderas also quote stole Brian, Brian looking for a little reprieve, uh, from my anger. Close quote points from the rest of the field. How dare you, Brian?

Andrew Hiller (26:53):

Oh, Patrick Beller. Sure. Shit. Didn’t steal any points.

Brian Friend (26:56):

<laugh> it’s, uh, so the, the, the concept, I’m not so much talking about Justin taking them away from the other person as that, that’s might for the other.

Sevan Matossian (27:07):

Uh, say that one more time. You broke up

Andrew Hiller (27:08):


Sevan Matossian (27:09):

You broke up pretty bad. Brian, Say that again.

Brian Friend (27:11):

Did any,

Sevan Matossian (27:18):

Can you hear me? He’s no. Uh, now we can, but you are breaking up pretty bad.

Brian Friend (27:22):

Should I come out and log back in?

Sevan Matossian (27:24):

Uh, no. Yeah, take another shot at it. Stole points. Action.

Brian Friend (27:29):

It’s not so much, I’m more writing that from the perspective of the other athletes or the rest of the field. Okay. So think if you think about the final event, for example, which is very memorable. One where, you know, Vener, it looks like he has insight what he needs and then all of a sudden he doesn’t. And who was it? It was Maderas again, coming in and taking that from him.

Sevan Matossian (27:50):

Um, uh, Hill Hiller. Um, so for your job, right, for your YouTube job, you don’t wear a shirt, but for your other jobs you do wear a shirt.

Andrew Hiller (27:59):

Well, I’m about to go outside and drive to a client’s house. <laugh>, it’s kind of cold here. I think it’s 45 degrees or something, so,

Sevan Matossian (28:06):

Oh, okay. I cut you off. Chill. What was your response to Brian? What did you say in response? Uh,

Andrew Hiller (28:11):

When, when I read that, the best thing that I hear is Madera steals points in Bel gives them away.

Sevan Matossian (28:17):

Okay. Is

Andrew Hiller (28:18):

It, would you say that that’s a good summation of it, Brian? Or no?

Brian Friend (28:22):

Yeah. Of of the workouts in particular that I noticed this happening in, in this competition, in four of those workouts, Vener was one of the guys bleeding the points. Uh, sometimes he was the only

Sevan Matossian (28:34):

Guy. Is Brian sick too?

Brian Friend (28:36):

I feel amazing actually. Thank you Jesus Louis.

Sevan Matossian (28:39):

All right. Uh, Andrew Hillard, thank you for coming on brother. You man, I really appreciate you giving us a bit of your morning. Thank you. Bye-bye. Uh oh, he said, bye Brian. I cut him off. ’em off. Um, ano another quote

Brian Friend (28:52):

There on Gimme one sec. They’re cutting the lawn out there. I’m gonna close the window.

Sevan Matossian (28:55):

Okay, Take your time. Uh, you can find Brian’s articles at the, uh, at at barbell Bend. I don’t think there’s the, the Oh Bar Bend. Sorry. At Bar Bend. Why am I, why do I struggle with that so much? Bar Bend uh, dot com. Uh, I believe it’s, it would be accurate to say Brian is their senior writer there for all things CrossFit. Um, he is there now permanently and full time. Uh, that is the place you wanna be to get all your, uh, CrossFit daily news and, and uh, Brian is quite prolific and the team is building there also at Bar Bend. Um, Brian is over there as the senior writer and he’s assembling a team around him. And I think that that is gonna become more and more robust. If you go up to the hamburger in the left hand corner, what you do is you click it and a a dropdown will come down and you’ll see, uh, CrossFit and then you just click there and, uh, you’ll get loaded up on, on all sorts of good stuff.

Brian Friend (29:49):

Yeah, it was this, it was actually super nice this weekend cuz Patrick Clark’s working over there with me now and he was on the ground taking a lot of pictures for both strong men and CrossFit and, but also writing kind of just a.

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