#655 – Rogue Invitational Day 4 Recap

Andrew Hiller (00:00):

18. So starts

Andrew Hiller (00:01):

To finishes with 18 because the best part of that workout was the last 10. Cleveland jerks.

Andrew Hiller (00:06):

Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (00:08):

Bam. Less

Andrew Hiller (00:09):

18. 18. Uh, I think maybe it would’ve had to have been it’s ugly. 15. Well, maybe 9, 15, 15 30, 15 or 12 40, 36, 12. Yeah. 1545. Sound along those lines. Pat screwed the pooch. He fucked the pooch

Sevan Matossian (00:27):

Macro. Mark called her on Olivia’s a beast. Uh, should be proud. Absolutely. Heidi Cru. Terrible camera work. Oh, that’s, You’re being too nice. Didn’t even get to see Cara finish or the race with Barnhardt and Annie. I mean, people were cross when someone’s crossing the finish line, you can’t cut. Um, you guys really underestimated Ellie in your prediction. She killed it. Oh, I

Andrew Hiller (00:49):

Don’t think so.

Andrew Hiller (00:51):

I literally picked her a win.

Sevan Matossian (00:53):

Brenda Waddell. Agree. Heidi? Uh, yes. Uh, lousy all weekend. Um, I’m so bummed. Pat imploded. I I will say this, I misspoke. I wrote in the text that, uh, Emma imploded. She actually never imploded. She paced herself great to her ability, and we actually didn’t see her implode. She should be proud. I mean, she’s, she

Brian Friend (01:15):

Business. I was, I was sitting with, uh, with Khalifa. We were talking about it right before the event went out, and I said, If Ali Turner takes third to fifth in this Orgo, which I think, I think she can, I’m thinking Lawson’s gonna be like ninth to 13th and it’s gonna be within five points. And it sounds like it’s within five points.

Sevan Matossian (01:31):

Can you bring up the, uh, women’s leaderboard? Uh, su Is it up? Uh, agree. Heidi, uh, Richard Holden, Bam. Live, uh, I third that Heidi Cru. And here is Oh, in real time. There it is.

Andrew Hiller (01:48):

Fuck yeah.

Sevan Matossian (01:49):

Okay. Wow. Time. Oh my goodness. Time. Oh my goodness.

Andrew Hiller (01:55):

Points time. Points time.

Sevan Matossian (01:57):

Oh my.

Andrew Hiller (01:57):

Got a victory.

Andrew Hiller (01:59):


Brian Friend (02:00):

She has

Sevan Matossian (02:00):

Two. Uh, Brian, explain. Will you explain to us what, what’s going on here with, uh, third and fourth possible?

Brian Friend (02:05):

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we knew that it was really close and there were some times from heat one that factored in. So it looks like if we scroll all the way to the right, MLS ended up finishing, I think it was 13th, which was like, that was the worst I thought she would do. Um, but Olivia Ki said it’s time from Heat one, which was second place overall was the, that was the five, That’s what I was talking about. That’s the type of workout where an athlete who is not relevant in terms of the podium race, can affect the podium result. These are the reasons why we in general, don’t like to see cuts slate in the competition because Olivia Kirs said her qualified for this earned the right to be here. She got to see the whole thing out, and her performance there, which was very noteworthy, incredibly impressive, uh, ended up making a difference here because Emma Lawson, Nellie Turner, tied on points of 470. It goes with a traditional tiebreaker, which is Best Event finish. Looking across the board, we can see that Emma Lawson had two event wins. Ellie Turner had none. Sam Lawson is gonna be standing on a podium at 17 years old at the Rogue Invitational, and that is incredibly impressive. Very, very cool.

Sevan Matossian (03:04):

Almost impressive as Victor Brown’s, uh, donation to the show. Thanks, buddy. That rope is high. I hope you’re using your crash Pa Crash Pad. Phenomenal work by the whole crew this weekend. Chevy 100 pound dumbbell snatches. Let’s go. Oh, uh, can we scroll down and see, or can you organize that event by, uh, winners that, uh,

Andrew Hiller (03:23):

Event donations? Head on over to Best buy.com and pick up a

Sevan Matossian (03:26):

Dumbbell. Yes, Hiller said it. Uh, Car Saunders first. Olivia Kerstetter second place. She won her heat and she took second place. Uh, before we talk about how impressive K Stutterer is, uh, Car Saunders is, is for some reason I thought that she was gonna kind of just drift off into the sunset, or is she gonna make another run at the games? Anyone know?

Brian Friend (03:50):

I have, I have a reason to believe that the upcoming season will be her last.

Andrew Hiller (03:55):

Who? Who, who?

Brian Friend (03:57):


Sevan Matossian (03:57):

Uh, Car Saunders. Okay. And what do you think does that mean she’s gonna give it her all? You know that, that I’m, this is my last season. I’m gonna give it my all.

Brian Friend (04:10):

I mean, I guess, what did she end up finishing overall in the competition?

Sevan Matossian (04:16):

Uh, good question.

Andrew Hiller (04:17):


Sevan Matossian (04:20):

Let me see if I have her. She has a, I have her phone number,

Brian Friend (04:23):

Isn’t she seventh at the game? Seventh at Rogue. I mean, that’s pretty good. She still can hang with some of the best wounds.

Andrew Hiller (04:32):

Spiegel. Really? Shit, the better. That last workout, it was Spiegels to lose.

Sevan Matossian (04:45):

You guys have to like, pretend like you’re, you’re running the show while I’m, uh, typing. Okay. I invited Car.

Andrew Hiller (04:50):

I was, I was carrying it with a Spiegel

Sevan Matossian (04:52):

Commentary. Thank you. Thank you.

Andrew Hiller (04:55):

I up, I can also fill in with, uh, I’m very lit down that Coles Sager beat me by three seconds.

Brian Friend (05:01):

Well, that means you also lost a John Young, cuz he texted me a while ago and said that he beat Paul Seger.

Andrew Hiller (05:06):

So when did he do it?

Brian Friend (05:09):

Uh, within the last month or two.

Andrew Hiller (05:11):

I bet he warmed up and everything.

Brian Friend (05:14):

Percy? No. Warm up.

Andrew Hiller (05:16):

<laugh>. Uh, I can see John Young doing well on this workout.

Sevan Matossian (05:19):

Uh, Su su Sorry, could you scroll over? I wanna to, to 10th place. Uh, so I, or the 10th event. I wanna see, I wanna see. Okay, so Carons first. Olivia Kirs at her second. Laura Hvat third. Ellie Turner. Fourth. Danny Spiegel, fifth Amanda Barnhart six. Annie Thor’s daughter. Seventh Place. No, knock on Annie. That is a tough, tough crew of women who are extremely strong. Uh, from shoulder overhead. I did see Danny Spiegel move to her last bar. They were showing her, and she never looked over to her left to see who was walking with her. She was looking down at the ground. I suspect she had no idea Kirs stutter was there,

Andrew Hiller (05:56):

Maybe, but

JR Howell (05:56):

With the last three reps she knew, and she actually went to do her last rep at the same time. Olivia did after a really short break after Rep 29, she failed the jerk. Olivia did it. Oh, so there’s the five points right there. I mean, that

Sevan Matossian (06:11):

Could, What did her fail look like, JR? I missed that.

JR Howell (06:15):


Sevan Matossian (06:15):

Did it come all the way to the ground or just to re rack?

JR Howell (06:19):

She missed the lockout and then just dropped it.

Sevan Matossian (06:22):

Okay, so she, so, okay. Wow. So it look, so it was gonna be a foot

Brian Friend (06:25):

Race. So, and, and what and what. Ja No. And what JRR is saying is if Spiegel hits that jerk, if she does not fail that jerk, then Ellie Turner is on the podium. Is that what you’re saying? Yes.

Sevan Matossian (06:36):

Uh, explain that to me. Scroll back up and put them in the, in the right order. Explain that to

Brian Friend (06:39):

Me. I don’t think so. I don’t think it would’ve mattered. Well, she ended up, It wouldn’t have been any

JR Howell (06:42):

Well, she ended up Wouldn’t have been Go ahead. Go ahead.

Brian Friend (06:47):

Oh, you think she would’ve beaten Turner? Correct. On that workouts, the graphic there. She would’ve beaten Turner Lawson’s on the podium anyway, so it wouldn’t have made a difference.

Sevan Matossian (06:57):

Well, in just in Money would’ve pushed her down a spot, right? No,

Brian Friend (07:01):

No, no.

Sevan Matossian (07:02):

Uh, okay. I see. I see. Okay. Yeah,

Brian Friend (07:05):

Turner would’ve been fourth. It just wouldn’t have been a points that she would’ve been five points behind her.

Sevan Matossian (07:10):

Paul Richards would’ve. Paul Richards 1999 Hardest working men in Show Bez Thank, uh, Showbiz. Thanks guys. I was just thinking about, I’ve been in this in my office now for four days. It’s kind of crazy. I really appreciate the Lou cute dog. Jacqueline Robertson from Canada. Most generous, uh, person in Canada. Thank you so much. Uh, 20 Canadian dollars. Tom Garrin again. Uh, $5 watching Hiller do the Workout Live. Made me realize this is the 2022 version for of the old

Brian Friend (07:38):

Com. Rita is.com

Sevan Matossian (07:41):

Okay. Watching Hiller do the workouts live made me realize this is the 2022 version of the

Brian Friend (07:47):

Old.com comment sections. Viva apu.

Sevan Matossian (07:50):

Thank you. That’s

Andrew Hiller (07:51):


Sevan Matossian (07:52):

Uh, you guys should know, as I’ve stated before, Puy is dead. The programmer for CrossFit is now gone, not,

Andrew Hiller (07:59):

Not actually dead.

Sevan Matossian (08:01):

Well, he, he, he wrote his puy, but that

Andrew Hiller (08:03):

What you said. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (08:04):

Uh, I really wish I could figure out how to send non totalitarian Canadian dollars. Thank you. I appreciate

Brian Friend (08:11):

That. <laugh>,

Sevan Matossian (08:13):

Uh, AC five, uh, uh, Unite UK pounds Sterlings, uh, for the Pat Fund. Um, thank you. Oh, could we send, uh, Patrick Vener a link also, uh, sza and see maybe if we can get him on, I did send Katie Mater a link and Car Saunders

Andrew Hiller (08:31):

Remember earlier how we are trying to figure out which event was the most correlative to the overall leaderboard. I think that this final might be it. It’s, it’s pretty close. I mean, there’s a whole bunch of single digits towards the top of the leaderboard when filtered that way.

Brian Friend (08:45):

Uh, I don’t think so. I mean, I’m a Austin since third 13th in this workout. It’s, uh,

Andrew Hiller (08:49):

Well, which, which, which other workouts are closer

Brian Friend (08:53):

The event too. I was, uh, maybe, I mean, event

Andrew Hiller (08:56):

Four pretty close. It looks like Event four.

Sevan Matossian (08:59):

Uh, organizing by event four. Organizing by event four. Real quick for su is, is Hiller calls him out. Let’s see. That’s, this is interesting.

Andrew Hiller (09:05):

Well, no, you, you just looked at it and you can see. So like, right now, first through, Okay, first, eighth, fourth, fifth, second, sixth, probably event four.

Sevan Matossian (09:16):

We lose, we lose, uh, El uh, Emma Lawson somewhere.

Andrew Hiller (09:19):

We, we lose her a lot. We also lost her around event 10.

Sevan Matossian (09:23):

Um, uh, Jr can we organize them first through 10th in the ranking, Jr what do you see in the top five finishers at the 2022 Rogue Invitational? What can you tell us for the athletes who want to compete here and in competitions?

JR Howell (09:37):

Well, just to, you know, what we’ve tried to look for, when we look at competitions that have at least seven to eight workouts, this one has 10 who was able to finish top 10 on all of ’em. And the only person that can do that was Annie. She finished in second, but Laura won four events. So, you know, Laura had a 14th and a 19th, but she had four wins. So Annie got an 11th. Thank you. Sorry, I missed it at the end,

Sevan Matossian (10:03):

But still, but still it’s ti it’s tied with the worst finish in the, uh, it it’s tied with,

Brian Friend (10:11):

It’s tied as the best worst finish. Is that what you’re

Sevan Matossian (10:14):

Saying? Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you Bryan. <laugh>, it’s time for the best worst finish in the top five. So she, she pretty much, uh, fit into, um, jr’s plan, uh, JR do you think, does that say that something’s wrong with the programming?

JR Howell (10:32):

No, I don’t think that I, I I don’t think that that speaks to it. I mean, if you, if you look just on the screen at the top nine, it’s a lot of the same people that we expected. Maybe the order’s a little bit different, but I will say that we can say that the last workout was probably the fourth strength test of 10.

Brian Friend (10:52):

What, what I would say about this programming is what I said earlier is, man, it was if if nothing else, this was such a fun competition when so many things can change work out to work out, and it’s happening at both the men’s and women’s division. That’s like, and you talk about a showcase that is, uh, is really putting on a show. And, and this was super entertaining for the fans. I think it was a lot of drama for the athletes because they saw these big swings happening. Uh, and it was, you know, some of it was predictable, but some of it was not predictable. Overall, I thought the entertainment value here was extremely high.

Sevan Matossian (11:24):

Okay, Brian, so you bring up the question that’s been going on forever, that was very difficult to answer. While Rich Phony Matt Fraser and Tia Tumi have been around, can you program someone out of, let’s specifically talk about the CrossFit Games out of the CrossFit games, Or can you not, You’re saying it was great programming, but maybe it’s just because we didn’t have Tia Matt or Rich here.

JR Howell (11:47):

I don’t think

Sevan Matossian (11:47):

He said that looks great, because I don’t

Brian Friend (11:49):

Wanna say, I don’t wanna

Sevan Matossian (11:50):

Say that it’s because those guys can’t be programmed out of an event

Brian Friend (11:55):

When there’s a field where there is the potential for multiple people to win and multiple people to podium. And it’s not, you know, even at the games that’s here on the men’s side, yes, there is tight 1, 2, 3, but like those three guys were pretty well clear the field here, we saw dramatic changes in, in the lead overall. We saw a lot of athletes with an opportunity to make podium runs. Even coming into the last workout, there was a, you know, and it, it’s drama. Yes, there’s someone that’s as dominant as those athletes you listed are, It’s really the programming doesn’t matter much. They’re just so good and so far ahead. But right now, the, there’s a shift happening. And even though Justin did win today, uh, you know, there’s belief amongst these guys that, that it can be done. And that I think that’s important for, for the sport going into this next season.

Sevan Matossian (12:38):

You’re saying that Justin left some blood in the water?

Brian Friend (12:41):

Yeah, these guy, I mean, dude, Pat’s sitting right down here on the field and his head is still in his hands. Like he knows that it was right there. He went too hard on the middle, 10 reps. And you gotta look at Roman and wonder what happened in event nine. Absent that event, he might be sitting on top of this podium. Jeff, Andrew, Hey, Bryan Smith.

JR Howell (12:58):

Uh, we actually talked to Snorri before this last workout and we asked him about Roman in the workout prior, and he said, simple as that. He just, he just dumped, he had a carb dump. He hadn’t fueled properly and he had no juice on that workout. None. He was just underfed. Wow.

Sevan Matossian (13:16):

Wow. Uh, who’s his, uh, does he have a coach,

JR Howell (13:20):

Like a nutrition coach

Sevan Matossian (13:21):

Or just a coach out there? Like someone who’s carrying a bag of food? Yeah,

Brian Friend (13:25):

Nick Fowler is here with him.

Sevan Matossian (13:27):

Okay. That’s interest. Yeah,

JR Howell (13:28):

He was just saying

Brian Friend (13:28):

Experienced coaches that there is.

JR Howell (13:30):

Yeah, he was just saying that Roman severely undercounted as macros going into that workout and he just had no juice.

Sevan Matossian (13:38):

Wow. Crazy. Okay. Um, great coverage all weekend. Thanks Jens. John G $15. Thank you John. Uh, great profile. Pick, uh, Teresa Harvey. Uh, looks like she’s competed herself, not so bad. 20 bucks. Awesome coverage all weekend. We love you guys. Thank you. Means a lot. Uh, we are trying our hardest. Dallas Canyon 9 99. Always happy to support my friends that I’ve never met. Thanks for the coverage guides. Uh, thanks for, uh, considering us friends. Martin Martin Goem, that’s

JR Howell (14:06):


Sevan Matossian (14:06):

Me 1999. Always the best coverage analysis. What a great crew you’ve put together. Sevan. You all are the best. Uh, to be honest, I don’t know how this happens. I wish I could take credit for it, but I don’t know how it happens. Uh, Allison Hog, uh, five

JR Howell (14:25):


Sevan Matossian (14:25):

Hog, Allison Hog. Uh, five, five pounds from the United Kingdom. Love you all. Thanks for the greatest weekend coverage from the London uk. You’re very welcome. And thank you for your special, um, silver money. Um, going back to the leaderboard, one more very interest. There’s way

Andrew Hiller (14:46):

Than watching without Matt and Tia. I was answering it with a programming sorrys.

Sevan Matossian (14:50):

Uh, say that again, Hiller.

Andrew Hiller (14:51):

There’s a gave with a program. I had comment here whether or not it’s more fun to watch this with or without Matt and Tia. It’s way more fun without, in my opinion.

Sevan Matossian (15:01):

Interesting. Uh, do you have an opinion on that? Only

Andrew Hiller (15:02):

Because I constantly want the person who always wins to get beaten. And I think it’s always possible. And Madeiras came out on top, but Frazier was always so far ahead, it was never possible. I think it’s good for everyone to see. And it’s also cool to see him win, don’t get me wrong. Like, it’s cool to see him win in the last second cuz he pasted so well.

Sevan Matossian (15:22):

Uh, what do you think Taylor more, more or less fun, uh, with, uh, Tia, Matt? Uh, not, not in the picture. Okay.

Brian Friend (15:29):

More fun. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (15:30):

Brian? More or less fun with Matt and t Not in the picture.

Brian Friend (15:36):

Uh, I don’t think it’s so bad to have a dominant athlete from time to time, but because we’ve had so much dominance in the last decade, this I think is neatly for Disor. So important time to have pardy like this. And, you know, competitions that come down to the,

Sevan Matossian (15:50):

Uh, JR Howell. Fun, fun, fun. More fun with, uh, Matt and Tigon. Not in the, in the mix.

JR Howell (15:57):

Yeah. More exciting, more fun to watch for sure.

Sevan Matossian (16:00):

I think if you’re a new fan, I think it’s good for the sport that there are dynasties. I think it draws a lot of attention to it. People start to pay attention, but for those of us who are in it, we like to see, uh, the races. Hiller, go ahead.

Andrew Hiller (16:13):

Well, how about, uh, f Rowing’s final year? That was one of his most exciting years is because he was being pushed up until that last day. And it’s kind of like what Justin’s always doing. I’d say what Justin is doing is great, right? He’s always like, everyone’s like thinking they can beat him. And what was it Brian that said there’s blood in the water. I mean, Pat was right there. Everyone was kind of right there. They just fucked up and he didn’t. And that’s something we were also talking about all week. If he just doesn’t mess up all that often.

Sevan Matossian (16:39):

Uh, I am hop, uh, $20. Thanks guys. Thank you dude. Um, I wanna go back to the women’s leader board and I wanna point something out that we talked about earlier in the weekend. And you guys correct me if I’m wrong, and I said this before, but what you are looking at in Laura Hvat is the greatest cross fitter who ever lived with the largest hole there. There’s no one else even comes to mind. It is, it is it it is a bizarre phenomen,

Andrew Hiller (17:05):

Sams and sand walking.

Sevan Matossian (17:08):

Uh, but she fixed it, right? She fixed it quickly.

Andrew Hiller (17:10):

She did.

Sevan Matossian (17:11):

Um, and, and I and I do you, I think Sam Briggs strength, um, which was also her shortcoming was also not as big of a hole as this. Brian, do you have an opinion on that?

Brian Friend (17:24):

No, I think you’re on the money. I mean, Laura Ho is quickly as sending pranks of all time, um, emails in the space and she does, you know, if you put her on just on paper against those other top five or six women of all time, none of ’em. Holy shit, none of them have something like that.

JR Howell (17:39):

Yeah. Uh, Seon Sevan,

Sevan Matossian (17:41):


JR Howell (17:43):

Karin and strict upper body pulling, won the games twice, but still had had and still does

Andrew Hiller (17:48):

Have that hole. I could do

Brian Friend (17:50):

It. I’d like to. Right? I’d like to. That would be a good study. Just have a comparison. We can just say, take a movement like a rig Muscle up or a P board. Look at cat’s finishes on those workouts relative to Laura’s finishes on, uh, stick hands pushup workout Or, That is a good, I mean, if you’re trying to find someone that’s comparable, that is a, is a potential candidate,

Sevan Matossian (18:11):

Uh, anyone in the men’s field.

Brian Friend (18:14):

Mm. I mean, well, I mean you’re, you’re sort like, you’re basically asking about Fraser Froning, Ben Smith, Vener,

Sevan Matossian (18:23):

Scott Pan

Brian Friend (18:24):

Ag, and none of those guys comes to mind as having something that’s that bad for them. I mean, maybe.

Sevan Matossian (18:30):

How about Josh Bridges? How about Josh Bridges swimming,

Brian Friend (18:33):

Tap out on his swimming? Actually that might be one

Sevan Matossian (18:37):

Very interesting. Okay. Yeah. Kate says Pat, Pat can’t swim. Maybe that should be a shirt. <laugh>. Um, and, and and Pat’s overhead is now exposed him in two competitions.

Andrew Hiller (18:48):

Yeah. For rope climbs at one point.

Brian Friend (18:51):


Sevan Matossian (18:52):

Shoulder and overhead.

Brian Friend (18:53):

The shoulder to overhead. The games was a lot more concerning to me than this. I mean this is like, you gotta keep in mind, you know, Valer comes into this sport and he is, he is one of the five best that we’ve ever seen, I think. But he had to go against Fraser and it’s just, you know, losing after losing, after losing. He did win the ro good invitation in one year, but it was an online competition. He has not won a live competition outside of waap of this prestige and coming into this workout, he knows if I beat Justin, like the chances are high that I win this workout. And if you watched closely him, and I don’t know what was able to be seen at home through the first 10 reps, he was pacing well in the second 10 reps. He accelerated and took a lead over Justin and everyone was getting excited. I mean, you could feel it. And when he’s, as soon as I think it was near four, in the set of 10, I was like, Oh no it’s not. He doesn’t have it for the last five. You have to have it for the last five. Justin outpaced him and I gamed him again. And it was, honestly, it was devastating because I just, I would’ve loved to see this guy win a big competition like this. So

Sevan Matossian (19:56):

You would’ve busted a nut. Anthony tpa, $5. Great show. Gentlemen killed it. Like always. Thank you for having Brian on instead of John Young. Geez Louise. I’m gonna bring John Young on just for that. Uh,

Andrew Hiller (20:08):

Brandon should be ashamed.

Sevan Matossian (20:10):

Uh, Europa Chronicles, uh, I think the judging really left some stuff to be desired and negatively affected the overall results. Events should use fewer but better judges, not one per movement.

Andrew Hiller (20:23):

Me and JR talked about this Go ahead,

Andrew Hiller (20:26):

Go first. No, no, no, no, no. Da, you’ve got something.

Andrew Hiller (20:29):

Uh, well I pointed out in this last event to JR I was like, Dude, there are 30 judges on the floor. And he was like, Yeah, I think that’s a little excessive. Um, think about this, uh, you have one athlete who’s to JR was making this point locking out rep number 19 of 20 and it’s a soft lockout and the judge is giving it to ’em. They hit that rep, hit the 20th rep, they move on to the next platform, the next judge, and then the judge all of a sudden just stops giving it to him. Um, or any other point in any other of the workouts, you know, the judging is inconsistent across judge to judge within the same event. That’s just tough. Uh, and I think it’s unnecessary.

Sevan Matossian (21:06):

Um, uh, did you see that actual example or is that just hypothetical?

Andrew Hiller (21:10):

That was hypothetical. I didn’t see that actual example.

JR Howell (21:13):

Okay. You about one athlete from round to round or athlete to

Andrew Hiller (21:17):

Athlete. Athlete. No, one athlete from round to round

Sevan Matossian (21:20):

As they moved it.

Andrew Hiller (21:23):

Oh, you did?

Brian Friend (21:24):

Yeah. Well, so the difference in this la the difference in this last workout is that, you know, what you had when you had said Taylor was they have one judge per movement, but in this workout there were three judges on the same movement. And so usually when you take the floor, I mean, you know, it’s, it is human judgment at the end of the day. And you, when you go on the floor as an athlete, usually what you’re trying to do is establish some kind of familiarity with your judge. So you understand I can move like this and I can get the rep, but if I do this, I won’t get the rep. Depending on the workout, you learn that faster or slower In this workout, you can be establishing a movement pattern that’s getting you credit for the reps and then advance to the next platform and move the same way and not get the credit for the reps. So that, that’s where in this particular work at the end, I’m not sure that having 30 judges on the floor made much

JR Howell (22:09):

Sense. Let’s look at it this way. Let’s look at it this way. In the para, in the para handstand pushup workout, you get a new judge every round you get a new judge every time you go to the wall for the strict handstand pushups. Think about that. So if you have someone that’s giving you, um, a foot with position that’s questionable and then the next round you have a new judge step in and they’re a little bit more strict on that when you had just given it on the round previous, that’s a huge difference. It’s a different set of eyes looking at the same movement.

Andrew Hiller (22:40):

This bring that comment you were about to bring up. Step on when you’re ready. I,

Sevan Matossian (22:43):

Oh, let Brian go real quick. And then I will

Brian Friend (22:45):

Now the one like counter argument to what I said earlier is if you do have a judge who’s giving soft reps in round one, reps one through 10, they’re not gonna be giving, you know, they may, they won’t have the opportunity to give the reps the rest the way. Okay. I’ll shut up.

Sevan Matossian (23:00):

Uh, let me bring up my Katie Hegar notes. Katie, hi.

Caity Henngier (23:07):

Hey guys,

Sevan Matossian (23:07):

Thanks for doing this.

Caity Henngier (23:09):


Sevan Matossian (23:10):

Welcome. Is the award ceremony going on?

Caity Henngier (23:12):

It just ended.

Sevan Matossian (23:14):

Uh, how, how, uh, relieved are you?

Caity Henngier (23:18):

Uh, I’ll tell you tomorrow.

Sevan Matossian (23:19):

Uh, Bec because you’re not, you’re not relieved until Kleenex’s done. What’s up?

Caity Henngier (23:24):

Uh, no, the event descended, so I haven’t really had a chance to process anything.

Sevan Matossian (23:28):

Is this the last thing on your lift list? Like you got this whole list of things to do and you’re like, oh fuck Seon podcast. Okay, last thing.

Caity Henngier (23:34):

<laugh>? No, we still have to clean up like you mentioned, so I still have a few days of work.

Sevan Matossian (23:39):

Is that how long it will take a couple days to haul all that stuff back?

Caity Henngier (23:42):

Yeah, I think we won’t get outta here until Thursday or Friday.

Sevan Matossian (23:45):

Where do you, um, what happens to the, um, 16, 17,000 pound, uh, piece of equipment that is the rogue rollercoaster? Where do you guys, what do you guys do with that?

Caity Henngier (23:55):

Uh, we have a full warehouse for all of our bent gear. So it’ll just go back and, and sit there until we need it again.

Sevan Matossian (24:01):

Wow. And and, and when you build something like that, do you think you guys think about that ahead of time? Like, okay, this thing is something that’s gonna be around.

Caity Henngier (24:09):

Yeah, I think you’d like to see many variations of that. I think it was a great event, especially the coaster. So you’re gonna see it again for strong man. For sure.

Sevan Matossian (24:18):

Do other people reach out to you, other strong man events and they’re like, Oh, Katie, Bill, can we, can you bring that to, uh, XYZ event?

Caity Henngier (24:25):

Um, yeah, some of that stuff, but we, we try to reserve it obviously for the invitational here and then supporting the Arnold, uh, strong show as

Sevan Matossian (24:32):

Well. Those, those are the two big shows.

Caity Henngier (24:34):


Sevan Matossian (24:36):

Um, that white material that was on the boxes, um, that I I, I’d never seen that before. Is is that a different material than the rest of the box?

Caity Henngier (24:45):

Yeah, we put that on after we had some moisture, uh, from the rain and in the morning. So it’s got some texture to it so they wouldn’t slip.

Sevan Matossian (24:51):

Is it like felt?

Caity Henngier (24:53):

No, it’s uh, it’s almost like sandpaper.

Sevan Matossian (24:56):

Okay. Uh, there’s a guy here in our comments named Dick Butter and he’s been banned on your YouTube comments. Could you unban him?

Caity Henngier (25:03):

Um, no.

Sevan Matossian (25:04):

No. Okay. Sorry. I tried Mr. Butter. Um, the secrecy around the events. That was bold. Right guys, Thank you. Clap for seven. Thank you. Uh, the secrecy around the events as we are trying to, um, find out where it’s going to be, what the events are. Do you guys find that endearing or do you find that annoying?

Caity Henngier (25:26):

Say thank you? Um, I don’t, it’s not annoying, but we, we want it to be about the athletes. So, uh, getting leaked and then having multiple people dissected before the athletes even get it. We just want it to be a fair event and we are really gonna get into line on that.

Sevan Matossian (25:41):

Okay. Well, yeah. And so, so it doesn’t bother you that we’re also though trying to figure it out and speculate and, and sneak photos, et cetera. It’s part of the game.

Caity Henngier (25:49):

Speculate away, speculate away,

Sevan Matossian (25:50):

Speculate away. Okay. Um,

Caity Henngier (25:55):

Did you pick the last event? Did anybody get it right?

Sevan Matossian (25:58):


Brian Friend (25:59):

I got a, two months ago we

Sevan Matossian (26:02):

Weren’t even

Brian Friend (26:03):

Very close at all on that one.

Sevan Matossian (26:06):

A matter of fact, um, the group was saying that they hope they don’t see a barbell and then soon as they saw the event, all four of ’em were like, this is the greatest event ever. We love this. I’m like, wait, what ha what happened to our stance on the barbell?

Caity Henngier (26:18):

I think for as much, uh, work as they did and to watch, uh, those guys like three thirteens crazy for as much volume as they have this weekend,

Sevan Matossian (26:26):


Brian Friend (26:27):

They, uh, some of the programmers talk about like having marquee events and then slotting things in around it. Was the final, one of the first last or middle events that you guys slotted in this time around?

Caity Henngier (26:38):

Uh, it was probably in the middle, but it didn’t become, uh, the final event until we started to figure out the schedule. But with the way the scoring worked out, I mean, you couldn’t have asked for a more epic ending on the, on the men’s race.

Sevan Matossian (26:50):

I agree. Well done. Uh, two, two of the events that, um, that had time, two of events that were time capped, no women finished and men finished. Why the discrepancy in the men’s test? I’m guessing that was a testing thing. Why the discrepancy in the men’s testing and the women’s testing?

Caity Henngier (27:08):

I think, uh, testing with the Hill is hard cuz we don’t obviously have this hill anywhere we test. So just, and then the volume of which we had the athletes, so when we had it tested, they were doing a single workout in a single day, not at the end of a long weekend.

Sevan Matossian (27:20):

Uh, that being said, the logs could not have been any more Perfect. The logs worked out like, uh, to, to the T How exciting was that?

Caity Henngier (27:33):

Uh, really excited. We were, we were definitely, it’s an event we wanted to do, but we, we wanted to keep them safe as well and that’s why we released it a couple weeks early so that they could practice. And so when they came out here, they weren’t nervous and trying to figure it out, uh, you know, on the first lift. And I thought they did an amazing job adjusting. And we had a couple of the strong men call the event and hearing them talk about how quickly, um, these athletes pick up things and get better rep by rep. Uh, that’s pretty cool to watch.

Sevan Matossian (28:00):

Does, does Danny Spiegel win that log?

Caity Henngier (28:04):

I don’t know, but that was, you know, she wasn’t gonna go and I, I had, uh, Dre go out and, and ask her if, if she wanted to go and she looked at the metal log and said, No, I’m good. And he goes, Well you can do, uh, 10 more pounds and do the wood log. And she didn’t even hesitate. And I, that was just, I mean, what a fricking way to end that thing.

Sevan Matossian (28:22):

Yeah, that, that, that was, uh, insane. Brian, were you gonna ask another question?

Brian Friend (28:27):

Well, you mentioned the drama of the men’s final. We noticed throughout the weekend that there were just these massive changes, you know, 60 points Maderas would make up on Rome, you’d give 70 away, Laura would give 80 points away here. Is that something that surprised you as you watched the leaderboard over, you know, event to event?

Caity Henngier (28:43):

Yeah, I think the, the, as many changes as we had, I didn’t expect that throughout the weekend. Um, but for the spectators here and everybody watching, that’s, that’s the race you wanna see. Right. And even for the athletes, while they don’t like it and they’re nervous, they, they performed, you know, it raises the bar for sure.

Sevan Matossian (29:02):

Uh, when you, when you started the programming and, and laying the landscape for the event, did you know right away Okay, 10 events?

Caity Henngier (29:10):

We were at nine and then we added the trail.

Sevan Matossian (29:13):

Ah, okay.

Andrew Hiller (29:15):

I know there’s no way that you could see the comment section on the YouTube page, but something we’ve heard all weekend is how the CrossFitters and the straw men are going back and forth and Rogue is a co company that came up with CrossFit and kind of is now with this giant entity. And I’ve kind of seen this as something that you’re doing to support both the CrossFit and the strong men communities. And I’m curious if there’s any sort of thought on your end that you’re trying to like intermingle ’em and maybe bring in power lifting as well,

Caity Henngier (29:40):

Like race all ships don’t, you know, I think the Invitational the last two years has been about, uh, CrossFit and strongman, but for us it’s really about the entire Iron game. You know, you’re gonna bring in power lifting, you’re gonna bring in Olympic weightlifting and anybody that touches a barbell, that’s what we wanna promote and we wanna help grow those sports. Um, and if we get more.

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