#654 – Rogue Invitational Day 3 Recap

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

People who watch this podcast, ah, bam. We’re live.

Taylor Self (00:03):

I’m gonna Google it. Am I gonna get some nasty

Sevan Matossian (00:06):

Shit? Oh, it’s just like, the fact that you even know a word like that just means you’re a creep.

Taylor Self (00:12):

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Taylor Self (00:12):

Member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (00:21):

There’s these words, there’s these words out there that these people use, like in cell and symp and like, I just, or cis or whatever. Oh, I just try to forget that, that I, or non-binary, all those words, I just forget just the, the imaginary landscape world. Like I don’t live Explain

Andrew Hiller (00:38):

Sym was, I know Symp.

Sevan Matossian (00:39):

Yeah. I don’t use call words that tools use. Oh my goodness. Hey, uh, it was a slow event, but like usual it paid off. I’m, I’m gonna give it, I mean, and, and I wanna start off this by saying, uh, at some point I said, Dang, Adrian Conway and Sean Woodland did an amazing job today. I mean, that is, they’re doing strong man too.

Andrew Hiller (01:04):


Mattew Souza (01:05):

Oh, that’s a long

Sevan Matossian (01:06):

Day. I mean, Adrian was just keeping the ball rolling. I mean, him and Sean just passed back and forth to each other all day. I, I really liked it. And you know what else is interesting is, um, Oh, that guy just stared into your camera. Yeah,

Mattew Souza (01:18):

That’s, that’s

Sevan Matossian (01:19):

Carlos’s up Carlos him out. No, he’s a good dude for that. He’s a good, Is that really Carlos? Yeah. That, yeah. That’s the guy that had me on his podcast and then asked me if I had questions for him. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (01:30):

Say hi to us.

Sevan Matossian (01:32):

What’s up dude? How you doing Carlos? How you

Taylor Self (01:37):

Doing? What’s up dude?

Sevan Matossian (01:38):

What’s up? Good.

Mattew Souza (01:40):

I saw you lurking back there.

Sevan Matossian (01:42):

Uh, are is, is Taylor giving you any trouble? That’s Taylor, the bald guy next to you. Is he giving you any trouble? He can’t hear. You can see

Taylor Self (01:47):

What He’s

Sevan Matossian (01:47):

Great. He is.

Taylor Self (01:48):

He sit next to me the whole time.

Sevan Matossian (01:50):

All right. What are you, what are you doing there this weekend? What? Who are you covering? What are you

Taylor Self (01:53):

Covering? I’m shooting for tier, tier sport. Just doing for them.

Sevan Matossian (01:57):

Dang. I a baller. You got all the good contracts. Good to see you, man. Good to see you. Good.

Taylor Self (02:03):

See you guys too. Yeah, it looks friend.

Sevan Matossian (02:06):

There he is.

Taylor Self (02:08):

Su I need to tell you something.

Mattew Souza (02:10):


Taylor Self (02:11):

You look great tonight, bro.

Mattew Souza (02:12):

Oh, thank you.

Sevan Matossian (02:13):

Call you back. Kissy. Kissy.


It’s bone, it’s bone media. I think you spelled it wrong. I think it’s b o n E bone. Uh, I i i I really like the, all the aerial shots of the venue too. That was something else I wanted to say earlier today, uh, from the home, uh, I, I really like a good establishing shot. The whoever’s flying the drone there today. Kudos to you. It was cool seeing all that. Uh, everything was, uh, uh, pretty spot on in this last event. I really liked it. I liked the drama. I liked Pat Valor’s lift. We’ll get into that. Um, it was a little disappointing to see what happened to Justin Maderas. I’d be curious to get Brian and Taylor’s, uh, take on that. What actually was happening on the floor. Who’s responsible for that? Is that up to Hi? Is that, uh, his failure? Um, I did the, what I did learn is, uh, someone asked the, the, one of the hosts on the show with Adrian and Sean Woodland said, Why don’t the strong men jerk? Yeah. And basically he said, Cuz they can’t, They’re not, they

Taylor Self (03:12):


Sevan Matossian (03:12):

Jerk. Yeah, they don’t jerk because they’re not proficient in that movement. He didn’t say, like, I kept saying him to say, Well, it’s not, it’s not the best thing to use for the log or over 400 pounds. You don’t do that. Or, but basically he just said, Hey, they can’t, they’re not proficient in that movement. There have been a handful of strong men who have done it successfully, but most of the guys just aren’t athletic enough, uh, to do that. Which was interesting.

Taylor Self (03:33):

I don’t know if athleticism is the word. I think they are so tight in their upper bodies, they can’t get the shoulder position to jerk. Well,

Sevan Matossian (03:40):


Andrew Hiller (03:41):

I think they’re so fucking strong. They don’t have

Sevan Matossian (03:43):

To. Thank you for the clarification. Split jerk. They’re, uh, Yeah, but that’s, that’s kind of a silly, that’s kind of a silly answer, right? Because if you can press, if you

Andrew Hiller (03:51):

Could push press 500 pounds, you’d do it too.

Sevan Matossian (03:53):

I would, but then I’d, I’d split jerk seven 50,

Andrew Hiller (03:57):

I suppose you’re correct there. Yeah.

Taylor Self (03:58):

30% more.

Andrew Hiller (03:59):

Thanks. Good job. You’re

Sevan Matossian (04:01):

Right. Uh, Mr. Tony Andrews eye jerk. Um, the, the best line of the chat, uh, the entire time on the tv, it was when someone said to the strong man, people, I had no idea. Type two diabetics were so negative, I thought, winner,

Taylor Self (04:19):


Andrew Hiller (04:20):

Were there any comebacks or attempts at

Sevan Matossian (04:22):

It? No. No, no, no, no, no.

Taylor Self (04:25):

That, no. Cause it went, it went over all their heads for sure. Right.

Andrew Hiller (04:29):


Sevan Matossian (04:30):

Um, let’s go start the, start of the event with the Jerry Can, uh, races and, Oh, everyone in line meeting Don told them about Sew on podcast. No shit. Don’s there. That’s really cool to hear, hear Jill Larson and all of you guys who are pumping up the sev on podcast in the chat. I cannot thank you enough. It’s a, I actually blush. I wa I’m watching the show in my living room by myself and then a family friend came over and was like, What is going on? Everyone in the chat saying to go to your podcast? And I was like, Oh, that’s cool. So I I, I really appreciate it. That’s the only way this podcast is gonna grow cuz people like it. And, um, and if Brian keeps coming on. So those are the two. You think that’s the first time Brian looked in the camera? Uh, okay. Your backlight, uh, big picture thoughts. We’ll start with JR Howell before we dig in, I guess, uh, big picture thoughts about the event JR

JR Howell (05:22):

Yeah, I mean, I thought it was awesome. Um, something I texted Brian and Taylor where it was amazing, especially on the male side. You think of the guys who are traditionally really, really good at weightlifting events, like one at max matches and cleaning jerks that require a lot of great positioning and technique that are also really strong. You didn’t see a lot of those guys in the,

Andrew Hiller (05:46):

Oh no,

Sevan Matossian (05:50):


JR Howell (05:51):

Tim Paulson. But then, but then outside of that, we have a ton of just brutally str especially strong guys that can just get the thing over their head. And I think that’s awesome as we progress the sport to test strength in different ways like that.

Sevan Matossian (06:07):

Uh, a absolutely, uh, nma also the strongest strong men like Thor, strict press in order conserve energy on other body parts to keep them fresh for other events. By the way, welcome to the show buddy. Good to see you. Good to have you. Um, pj uh, oh, Who did we lose? I lost Brian. Uh, Big <laugh>. Uh, Taylor be nice. It’s his first time here. Taylor. Uh, big picture thoughts about the event? What, uh, seeing CrossFitters do this log for the first time? Is this the first time we’ve ever seen them do this in a, in a big competition?

Taylor Self (06:37):


Sevan Matossian (06:38):

Okay. Big picture thoughts?

Taylor Self (06:41):

I liked, I liked the overall event. Um, you know, I was telling somebody that I liked it. I didn’t love it. It wasn’t my favorite. I liked the sandbag, cleaning up the games a lot better. Um, I think overall my biggest gripe were just kind of the discrepancies, um, and kind of what Justin and Pat went through. That was a little weird. Also, just the timing. I mean, the timing of the day was thrown off from that sixth event. Um, and it kind of bled into this. It was just a lot of time,

Sevan Matossian (07:09):

But it so, so timing and, uh, your only complaints were timing, uh, Justin and Venner situation, which will hopefully get some, shed some light on. And, uh, you did like the sandbag event better at the games.

Taylor Self (07:20):

Yeah, it was a good, I liked this event. It was a good event. Um,

Sevan Matossian (07:25):

It was good. You’ve just been, you’ve just been working all day and you’re running out of energy.

Taylor Self (07:29):

No, I wouldn’t say that. It just was, it was good. I mean, the energy here was also really cool. Yeah. When Roman and and Chandler were lifting, energy was huge. When Danny made that final log, the crowd freaked out. So I won’t give it that. It, it had a lot of energy. Um, I just thought the sandbag was a little more dramatic. People were fighting it a little

Sevan Matossian (07:48):

Harder. Oh, was that the loudest the crowd was all day or the last two days when Danny did the log?

Taylor Self (07:54):

Well, yeah, when Danny and when Chandler and Roman hit, uh, when Chandler hit the Texas Oak and then when, uh, Danny hit it as well. Yeah, for sure.

Sevan Matossian (08:04):

How about when Ricky got his last log, he failed and then got that log. Did the crowd go crazy? Are they giving him love?

Taylor Self (08:10):

Yeah, for sure. There was one lady sitting behind me that goes, That’s what happens when you cheat. And I was like, Oh my God, I shut

Andrew Hiller (08:18):

The fuck up. Yeah,

Taylor Self (08:19):

I know. I was like, shut. I looked back, I was like,

Sevan Matossian (08:25):

Disgusting. Uh, Brian, uh, from the black square, uh, for blackout Tuesday. I appreciate you going so hard with that for the last two years. Um, what would be, what, what was your overall perspective of the event? Did you, this last event, big

Taylor Self (08:44):


Andrew Hiller (08:44):

Um, I, I mostly disagree with everything that, uh, Taylor said, I think this great rebound event from a great rebound event from the earlier today. There were a few, uh, logistical things, but they ultimately got that call right with Justin and Pat. And that’s, that’s fine. You know, sometimes there’s a clock puff function, you have a backup option. They executed the backup plan to get the call Right. I think that there was some drama, I think that the athletes were all, you know, cheering for each other by the end, similar to the sandbag. And uh, I don’t know if you ever replicate that sandbag event. The coliseum’s a very different environment. Games is a different feel. But I thought it was a good, a good way to end the day.

Sevan Matossian (09:22):

Uh, Andrew Hiller, uh, what is your, uh, thought big picture of this, this event?

Andrew Hiller (09:29):

My biggest issue is when one person will finish in the top five in every event of a CrossFit competition because it’s the exact same thing every single time. And I think it’s very cool that Maderas got 16th, that Vener got 17th, that Jeff Adler got 15th, uh, EKG got 12. And that there’s people like Chandler Smith who is strong in credit call, who is strong with finish first and second. And I think it’s a lot with Adrian Bosman was trying to do with the games this year with all the wacky shit he was up to. He was trying to progress the sport forward and make it buried, which is missing. But

Taylor Self (10:04):

To, to clarify though, it looked to me not like Pat missed the window to lift or that Justin missed the window to lift. It looked like that the judge didn’t give Pat the opportunity to lift again. And because Justin got the opportunity to lift again, they took it away from him. All the other aspects.

Andrew Hiller (10:21):

Speaking to Brian’s point, cuz that has nothing to do with i what I, what I said.

Taylor Self (10:25):

Well you said they were eliminated early, but they were eliminated early. Not because they couldn’t hit the lift because Justin went back and hit it and then they just took it away from him. I think they would’ve, yeah,

Andrew Hiller (10:33):

But he didn’t have time.

Andrew Hiller (10:34):

He hit it after the 45 second left.

Andrew Hiller (10:37):

After the 45 second. No,

Andrew Hiller (10:38):

No, no. He lifted it off the pads after 45 seconds had lapsed. All you had to do was get it off the pads within 45 seconds, then you could attempt to lift. If you went too long and he didn’t do that, hold the next, they would hold the next seat, which they did. I think the clock had stopped and so they didn’t know for sure. But the judge in Valor’s Lane knew that it was past the time. So he told him not to lift the one

Andrew Hiller (11:00):

In. Everyone else got like two attempts.

Andrew Hiller (11:02):

You gotta think about it. You have to, I I I think Taylor, where you’re frustrated is, you gotta think about it like the NFL when there’s a fumble and then there’s recovery and they blow the play dead. You never have the opportunity to see what would’ve happened. Just let the play happen, then you can go back and get it. Right. So I think Maderas judge, I was fine with him letting him do the lift. And I think that the head judges handled it appropriately by going to review the video, same as we asked, help him to do from home. And then say he, he picked it up after the time was over. So the lift doesn’t count and it’s black and white.

Sevan Matossian (11:31):

Uh, what would, can I push back on that Brian for a second? Let me push back on that. If the clock stopped working and he couldn’t see it,

Andrew Hiller (11:38):

How is he, he may not have been able to see it anyway. It’s not No, Justin did nothing on, he

Andrew Hiller (11:42):

Got, he was go a third attempt. No one else got a third attempt and made one. From what I saw,

Sevan Matossian (11:47):

What you’re telling me is that there’s a clock going and that when there’s 45 seconds remaining, it’s over. But if you pick it up before there’s 45 seconds remaining, you can go for the clean and the press if as long as it’s off the pads. But I’m also hearing is that there was no way for him to see that clock because it stopped working.

Andrew Hiller (12:05):

That’s right. So there was nothing wrong with what he did. And there’s also

Sevan Matossian (12:08):

Punish for that.

Taylor Self (12:09):

And how did they know that Valor couldn’t go again if the clock stopped

Andrew Hiller (12:14):

The judges well,

Andrew Hiller (12:15):

Justin couldn’t

Andrew Hiller (12:15):

Go then the judges also have stopwatches. I mean,

Andrew Hiller (12:20):

What do you guys understanding

Taylor Self (12:21):


Andrew Hiller (12:22):


Andrew Hiller (12:23):

The timeframe. They reviewed the timeframe and both of them were outside of the timeframe.

Sevan Matossian (12:27):

I think they both should have got a pass.

Taylor Self (12:29):

Well they didn’t even let, they didn’t even let attempt that. His judge was like, No, no, no, no, no. Don’t talk shit.

Sevan Matossian (12:34):


Andrew Hiller (12:36):

Brian, how are we getting how we get it through their heads.

Sevan Matossian (12:39):

<laugh>. Brian. Brian, What is interesting though is that the people standing behind Vener knew that they knew that when Venner was picking it up, that he shouldn’t be. Cuz you could see the athletes protesting. So someone knew.

Andrew Hiller (12:52):

Uh, I I mean I I also had that.

Taylor Self (12:57):

All right, I’m wrong. You’re right. Let’s fucking move on.

Sevan Matossian (12:59):

Hold on. I wanna hear what Brian said. Hold on.

Andrew Hiller (13:02):

No, I mean I didn’t have a clock running in my hand, but I was also just, you know, you have a perception of what’s the allowable time to pick this up cuz it’s like, it’s happened the entire women’s division, however many heats it did in a men so far, and it just felt like it was outside that time period. So when that, when, when the, I saw the athletes reacting, I was like, oh, they recognize the same thing. Then I saw the ju head judge immediately come onto the floor. He immediately started consulting with people and the verdict was, was determined after looking, you know, they just watched the video back like we did. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (13:32):

And so if you guys wanna check this video out right here. If you watch Janowski, you’re gonna see Chandler Smith enter on the screen on the right and watch the reactions after. Uh, Justin lifts this here.

Taylor Self (13:41):

Oh, I saw, I saw they were pissed.

Mattew Souza (13:43):

Live. So look, look at ’em here. Watch Chandler come in pointing, yelling, what’s going on? All of ’em look disappointed. And Justin doesn’t seem to be too happy with it either as he walks off.

Sevan Matossian (13:53):

Okay. So they, they they’re, those guys are kind of keeping, uh, to the rules. They’re like, Hey, why are these guys getting to go? This is

Mattew Souza (13:59):

Bullshit. And then so at some point they must have had access to some sort of clock that everybody could see. Cuz otherwise, if it just went completely dead, how in the world would they know that it was off or anything like that? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (14:09):


Taylor Self (14:09):

I I like that they took it away from him.

Andrew Hiller (14:12):

I disagree with

Sevan Matossian (14:13):

It. I disagree too. But

Taylor Self (14:16):

You disagree with him taking it away from him

Sevan Matossian (14:18):

If he doesn’t know? No, no,

Andrew Hiller (14:19):

No. I disagree with Jen McDonald.

Taylor Self (14:21):

Oh. Oh, what did, what

Sevan Matossian (14:22):

Did Jen? Oh, I disagree with him. Take I So all of you guys agree. I disagree. I think that if he, if there’s no way for him to follow the rules, then, then, then it’s on the it’s on the event he

Taylor Self (14:30):

Gets. Yeah, but you can’t just keep it. No. Fuck that. He doesn’t

Andrew Hiller (14:32):

Get a seven. Seven. That’s insane. We’ll give you a pass on this one, but please reconsider that point

Sevan Matossian (14:37):

Of view. <laugh>.

Andrew Hiller (14:40):

Hey, there’s a comment in here about the dill bill and Katie games. That’s the only reason C all this

Taylor Self (14:45):


Sevan Matossian (14:45):

The dill bill and Katie

Andrew Hiller (14:47):

Games. The, the, the dear, dear Bill and Katie,

Sevan Matossian (14:51):

No. How

Andrew Hiller (14:51):

You feeling Katie?

Sevan Matossian (14:52):

Oh my goodness. Okay. Okay. Listen,

Andrew Hiller (14:54):

I think it’s okay that the clock’s malfunctioned.

Sevan Matossian (14:57):

Listen, Ty goes to the runner. I don’t know what that means, but, um, that’s, that’s my, uh, that’s my sports. That’s my sports.

Andrew Hiller (15:06):

Wait a minute, Jr you’re a tiebreaker. What do you think? You haven’t said shit

Sevan Matossian (15:09):

Jar. If you can’t see the clock, does he get to go get, is it his fault that he missed the timing?

JR Howell (15:14):

No, it’s not his fault. But it’s no different than like in a sport and you play through a whistle because the cloud is because the crowd is so loud that you couldn’t hear the play blown dead. So the ref blows the play dead and then something happens after the fact and you get mad. Well, the, the play was dead. You just didn’t hear the hear the whistle. It’s no one’s

Andrew Hiller (15:31):

Fault. And then they review it and they just say what had to be done, which is the lift in count.

Sevan Matossian (15:35):

Hold on, let take

JR Howell (15:37):

Some random also think, I also think it’s very, I also think it’s very presumptuous to think that either one of them just would’ve continued to do really great on the event when they were on their third attempt at that load.

Andrew Hiller (15:49):

Good fucking point.

Sevan Matossian (15:50):

Well, well he,

Andrew Hiller (15:52):

Since 17th that’s what I was talking

Sevan Matossian (15:53):

About. I’m not making the presumption that they would do Well, but to answer that question, let’s go to the leader board and see how close the points are because they might have not needed to do well they may Justin May just needed 10 points. Yeah,

JR Howell (16:05):

Well, and then he

Andrew Hiller (16:06):

10 thing

Andrew Hiller (16:07):

And Roen needed three overhead squats, but he didn’t get that shit either.

JR Howell (16:11):

And then how did the tiebreakers come into play? Like how much did the tie break help or hurt them also? That’s good to know because there were so many people, there were so many people that got, um, that got that missed that, that wait,

Sevan Matossian (16:24):

What we’re talking about here is gonna make the difference between Justin Maderas winning or not winning the CrossFit games possibly. And Patrick Venner making it on the podium or not. That’s what we’re talking about.

Andrew Hiller (16:34):

First of all, these are,

Sevan Matossian (16:35):

And that’s a lot of Benjamins. Go ahead Brian.

Andrew Hiller (16:40):

These are, these are not the CrossFit games. This is a rogue invitational. And second of all, to Jr’s point, I would actually have liked, have liked to see from just a personal interest perspective, Justin continued to lift because we saw a similar thing with him in the sandbag at the games where he didn’t appear that comfortable in the early rounds, but he was finding a way to get through and then he was almost refining and perfecting that technique as the rounds wore on. And it’s possibly could have done the same thing here.

Sevan Matossian (17:07):

Um, you guys, I’m I I I like that. It’s a great observation. I’m gonna just pick a random post to make the tie break to see which one of us is right. Oh, I agree with someone for the first time

Andrew Hiller (17:16):

Ever, <laugh> <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (17:21):

Totally ran.

Andrew Hiller (17:22):

Dick Butters got, and Dick Butters got the fair statement, which is that they both got fucked. So it’s even

Sevan Matossian (17:28):

Uh, okay. Um,

Andrew Hiller (17:30):

And you know what? When Roman got fucked, he 15th when Justin got fucked at 16. So move on

Sevan Matossian (17:37):

<laugh>. Uh, we have seven events done. Uh, there can still be a, a, a, a ton of movement on the leaderboard. Uh, let’s talk about some of the other details. Uh, uh, before we get into the leaderboards here though, uh, it started with the Jerry can race for the tiebreaker. Um, Danielle, Brandon took that risk. She was clearly gonna win that. And then, and then something happened. I couldn’t tell exactly what happened. Did you guys see what happened? Does, did her bag hit the ground? What, what happened? I

Taylor Self (18:02):

Think her foot grazed the side of the bag or kind of the bag ran into her calf and she just, you know, bit it a little bit.

Sevan Matossian (18:10):

So, so the technique was not only to lift them up, but you had to hold them out, uh, kind of out a little bit. Flex your lats and get them out of the way while you’re running.

Taylor Self (18:16):

I saw some of the men doing that. It looked hilarious. Like Jason did that. He had ’em kind of out here and was just like picking his knees up, like high stepping. And I think he was third or fourth overall in that Gary.

Sevan Matossian (18:27):

Uh, and, and do I I I didn’t see any problem with that. I actually like that for the tie break. I thought it was clean. Do you guys, do you guys

Taylor Self (18:33):

Agree? Yeah, I was, it was exciting to watch. It was very short.

Andrew Hiller (18:35):

I like the tie break and I like it done before the event too.

Sevan Matossian (18:39):

Uh, Jr

JR Howell (18:41):

Uh, wish the distance was a little bit longer.

Sevan Matossian (18:45):

Uh, Sure, sure. But I mean, just, just in terms of the concept, is that the first time we’ve seen that concept where they do the tie break ahead of time? Is that something you might, we might see at the crash crucible?

JR Howell (18:56):

Um, possibly. I, I, I try, I try not to make it to where logistics come into play so much with like, uh, elimination style events, but it was some, it would definitely be something I would consider moving forward. I thought it was a really cool idea to do it before.

Sevan Matossian (19:13):

Okay. First time. We agree that something was perfect. I love it. Uh, Jill Larson. Thank you. You said something nice earlier in the beginning of the show. I can’t remember what it was. Now I like even more. I like money. Uh, Elisa car. Oh this, I didn’t mean to click that. Sorry. <laugh>, uh, Danny, uh, Danny Spiegel, uh, puts on a show. Does the, uh, oak at two 15. I, I realize she’s pretty far down on the leaderboard, but, uh, foolish

Andrew Hiller (19:42):

Somewhere. Matt Frazier saying, That’s why I’ll never coach you.

Sevan Matossian (19:45):

Yeah. Is that foolish? I I, I can’t ever remember anyone doing that. Um, Did, did gee do that one year?

JR Howell (19:52):


Sevan Matossian (19:53):

Like that?

JR Howell (19:55):

Uh, well Rich went for what? A 400? Uh, I go Was that the, was that the overhead squad that he tried to go for and he missed the year that they did the one at Max Overhead squad. Mm-hmm.

Andrew Hiller (20:07):

<affirmative>? Yes.

JR Howell (20:09):

Just a little bit more. Or Tide Fraser or whatever. Then you go for a 400 and you said it was kind of just for the crowd.

Sevan Matossian (20:16):

Uh, Taylor, what do you think? What was that foolish that she did that?

Taylor Self (20:21):

Uh, I don’t think it was stupid. She knew she had it in the bag. It was a really clean lift and the crowd loved it.

Sevan Matossian (20:27):

Uh, Andrew,

Andrew Hiller (20:30):

I think it was, uh, unnecessary but fuck it.

Taylor Self (20:35):

<laugh> good for her. Kate. Yeah. But,

Sevan Matossian (20:37):

But, but on behalf of Matt Fraser, uh,

Andrew Hiller (20:39):

She’s had pictures for three months because of it. Cuz she’s the only woman to lift the wooden log. So that’s why she did it.

Sevan Matossian (20:46):

Great point. She’s

Andrew Hiller (20:48):

Got the concept now. Everyone else, these black logs and she’s got the cool wooden log. Yeah. She looks at the fucking oak joint and she smashed it

Sevan Matossian (20:54):

Too. So you’re saying this is,

Andrew Hiller (20:56):

And I bet somewhere very similar how Adrian owes Nick Matthew at steak dinner for finishing the skill worked out of the game. Someone’s like, Oh thank God someone hit the wooden log cuz we tested this and we thought it was possible.

Sevan Matossian (21:11):


Andrew Hiller (21:11):


JR Howell (21:11):

I mean, yeah. Mean that’s kinda kudos to Katie too. Cause remember as she said last night, you know, we, we think that we got the loading right. You know, we think that we got ’em right. We’re, we’re, we’re confident we did. And they did. I mean, one person got there and hit it. That’s all you need.

Sevan Matossian (21:24):

Yeah. On both logs. Right,

JR Howell (21:27):


Sevan Matossian (21:28):

Okay. I’m throwing that in there when she comes on here as a compliment. Great job on logs. You nailed it. Right? That’ll be the bun in my shit sandwich. Okay. Dustin Hartz, uh, Fraser and Froning tight at 3 77 instead of just beating Fraser by a pound, he went for 400.

JR Howell (21:47):

There you go. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (21:49):

<laugh> speaking to Hiller. Are you not entertained?

Sevan Matossian (21:52):

Uh, but, but you know what, Hiller all kid aside, that was a great move on her part. Now that you mention it like that. She is, um, she, she knows her place in the community. She’s, uh, incredible successful, uh, pr you know, campaign around, uh, the, the creature that is Danny Spiegel. And, uh, that, that does give her three more months of, uh, photos and tons of more. Now,

Andrew Hiller (22:13):

Right now imagine if she was wearing a shirt about something in relation to a sponsor and not eating. I don’t remember what it said. It was something eating. Do you know what her shirt said?

Sevan Matossian (22:22):

I eat food, but

Andrew Hiller (22:25):

Girls who eat you’re, I eat food. No. Shit, maybe that’s gonna be your new clothing line and it’s going to sell like fucking crazy.

Sevan Matossian (22:34):

Um, uh, I I do like the way when you, when you, when you said that you’re like looking up to the left, you’re like, imagine her, like you’re looking up to a bubble. Her like wearing a i the other

Andrew Hiller (22:43):

Day goes like, what is Hiller looking at? And I go, I think like this <laugh>. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (22:50):

Uh, cha um, as Chandler Smith and Roman got there. Well, first of all, let’s talk about Ricky Ricky’s lift. I I was so, so, so impressed that he went as far as he did. I picked him to take last place on the event. Uh, your guys’ thoughts on Ricky Jr.

JR Howell (23:06):

That was impressive. I I I would not have expected him to make it as far as he did at all.

Sevan Matossian (23:12):

Uh, and, and, and Kotler said, Hey, he’s not made to do well on that event. Right. But you never know with Ricky. And, and I guess he’s kind of, you do never know with Ricky.

JR Howell (23:22):

Yeah. Like you said, he is just one of those guys that just kind of figures stuff out. Like he’s very adaptable. He’s, he’s able to just kind of figure things out on the fly and make things happen. Which is why he said he enjoys coaching him too.

Sevan Matossian (23:33):

Taylor, is he a special athlete? Uh, Ricky Gerard. When you see him go out there and do that, especially when, when he, when you see someone like Adler who’s supposed to do so well and doesn’t and kind of shows you, wow, this is different than just Olympic lifting,

Taylor Self (23:47):

I think he’s pretty on par with all the other athletes out on the four.

Sevan Matossian (23:51):

No, not the answer I’m looking for.

Taylor Self (23:53):

What place is he in? What place is he in overall?

Sevan Matossian (23:57):

Um, I think you could be a special athlete. Not be, not be at the top, top, top, top. No,

Taylor Self (24:03):

I think they’re all special.

Sevan Matossian (24:05):

Okay. You’re a good dude. Andrew Hiller, uh, Rick, Ricky Gerard. Uh, did

Andrew Hiller (24:10):

I, I got something.

Sevan Matossian (24:11):

It’s magical, right?

Andrew Hiller (24:13):

He put up a picture at one point, and I thought this before, but he reminds me of the ape from Plant of the Apes and his name is Caesar. And there’s a scene in that movie where he, the monkey just like beat the shit out of something. And that’s what I think about when I see Ricky go into town on these strength events. And then he steps off and he beats his chest. I’m like, he just reminds me of fucking Caesar. It’s a badass thing.

Sevan Matossian (24:35):

All right. Not thank you Jr. For at least, um,

Andrew Hiller (24:39):

I, I know seven won’t get that, but someone’s gonna appreciate that

Sevan Matossian (24:42):

Going with me down the road while Hillary and Taylor derail the show. Luis <laugh>. Lemos. God, I hope I get to meet you someday. You’re a good dude. You are a good dude. If you’re in Southern California, I’m gonna be going down there for two weeks soon. If you’re in Arizona, I’ll be going down there for two weeks soon.

Taylor Self (25:00):

Oh, are you going to Ellos?

Sevan Matossian (25:02):

No, I am not. I I’ll be manned up in my, my little hole here for the Zillows games. Say, uh, a spectator dm me and said the event was absolutely amazing. The energy there was amazing and that you got to mingle in the crowd with people like Tia, Sammy, Rich and Annie, and they got to meet them all. I was actually thinking when I was watching it, I bet you that’s the kind of event where there’s like more influencers. You won’t hear me use that word very often in the crowd than anywhere else. It’s kind of like an influencer event, right? Does it feel like that?

Taylor Self (25:35):

It does feel like that

Sevan Matossian (25:36):

<laugh>, like it’s a 20,000, uh, minimum Instagram. Like some people got in with tickets and other people just showed that they had 20,000 more, uh, plus Instagram followers.

Andrew Hiller (25:44):

That’d be fucked up JR. Was ask Katie that question.

Taylor Self (25:47):

Dude, every time you look around there’s some fucking infamous person.

JR Howell (25:51):

No, it’s it’s commander there. It’s the crew. I mean, I guess because of the games, there’s so many more people that comparatively like the ratio between spectators and someone that’s like a who’s who and the community that you might see is so much higher. I mean, you can just be, you can stand still and within five or 10 minutes see someone that you recognize as being like, famous in this space,

Sevan Matossian (26:12):

Right? Like, like, like they have a video on like how to stretch or like, they’re 65 and everyone knows that who they got their first pull up.

JR Howell (26:19):

Oh yeah. And I mean like Sam Briggs was sitting in the stands, I don’t know, maybe like four or five rows down from my wife and she was like, Oh yeah, there’s Sam Briggs. And she was just there watching, just chilling. No one was, no one was crowding around. But there’s people like that all over the place.

Sevan Matossian (26:36):

Small world. Uh, I wanna get a shout out to the, uh, ju judge wearing his yamaka at the log competition. Shalom, my brother. I just, just, I just wanna say I Shalom. I looked over at my wife and said Yamah.

JR Howell (26:49):

Did you just J Judge?

Sevan Matossian (26:51):

Yeah. J Judge. J Judge.

Andrew Hiller (26:54):

Judge Jew.

Sevan Matossian (26:55):

Judge. You Judge Jew? Yeah. Judge J, Judge. J j Judge.

Andrew Hiller (26:59):

Judge J.

Sevan Matossian (27:00):

If you married a Jew, you could say Jew. You got three Jew boys. You could say Jew. Uh, you, anyone can say it. It’s not, it’s not even a bad word. Um, but, but I just wanted to say shalom to him. It was cool seeing him out there with his and he had red hair and a crazy beard. Did you see him Taylor?

Taylor Self (27:18):

No, I didn’t.

Sevan Matossian (27:20):

All right. Um, the biggest shock, uh, I think of that event was, is that Adler was out early. Um, what happened to him? Hiller,

Andrew Hiller (27:31):

He’s a barbell man. He’s not a log man. It’s really prob you know, I remember him saying at one point that he’s so strong that he doesn’t need to train his strength ever and it usually pays off for him cuz he keeps up on the endurance stuff really well and here it’s just didn’t pay off. He, he probably looked at it and he goes, Oh, I’ll be okay. I’m not, I’m pulling out of my butt. I have nothing to back that up. But he goes, Okay, I’ll log. I’ll keep up. So it’s possible you overestimated his abilities on that.

Sevan Matossian (28:00):

Brian, what happened to Adler? Oh shit. He’s on Iowa. Ayahuasca

Taylor Self (28:12):


Taylor Self (28:13):

I have a friend

Taylor Self (28:14):

Who took that.

Sevan Matossian (28:16):

Okay, bye. Uh, Taylor. Uh, what happened to Jeffrey Adler out there? I high hopes we had picked him to win it. Many of us had picked them to win it.

Taylor Self (28:25):

His coach was talking about him being an athlete that is really strong, but uncomfortable in like odd situations. I think this was in reference to the overhead squat event. And she talked about athletes being comfortable getting a little wobbly and going really fast. And she said, Jeff, isn’t that, um, so when she said that, I thought, hmm, the log may get him trouble because none of them are gonna have such great technique that they hit it perfectly. You’re gonna have to be an athlete that can adapt on the fly and be okay with things not being perfect. I think he’s often maybe too methodical, too technical that if it doesn’t feel just right or if he doesn’t think he’s gonna hit the lift just perfectly, he’s bailing.

Sevan Matossian (29:02):

Uh, that, I mean that was better than Hillary’s answer. Hillary, your answer was good, but if I were judging him, that one he was

Andrew Hiller (29:07):


Sevan Matossian (29:08):

His was, his was better. Uh, Christian Faison Jr. Is driving the Bang bus <laugh>.

JR Howell (29:14):

How did you know,

Sevan Matossian (29:16):

Uh, Jr what happened to Adler? Did Taylor hit it outta the park?

JR Howell (29:19):

Yeah, that was an awesome answer. And if we would’ve never saw Caroline as another person just kind of sitting in the stands and kind of got to talking to her about Jeff and the whole competition, we would’ve never known that. But it was a really cool thing that she gave us about, you know, some of these guys are used to just lifting that way all the time. They’re always have a foot that’s pointed a little bit more to the left than the right, or one foot’s behind the other one two inches when they’re squatting. So they’re like always used to lifting in an unstable environment. Jeff’s not that,

Sevan Matossian (29:51):

Uh, hill. It sounds like Hiller wants to take a second shot. He didn’t like getting a Taylor.

JR Howell (29:55):

No. I can wait. If we’re still on Adler, I can wait. It’s Jr.

Sevan Matossian (29:58):

No, no, I’m actually, I’m, I’m gonna move.

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