#652 – HillerFit Review Show & Sevan Riffs on HQ Firing

Andrew Hiller (00:00):

Yes. Bam. Looking for, looking forward to this since you said you wanted to do one,

Sevan Matossian (00:05):

Did you, um, I noticed in one of your videos this week you were wearing a shirt. Is that, cuz it’s getting cold there. You’re wearing a white, a white T-shirt.

Andrew Hiller (00:14):

It’s 43 degrees here right now.

Sevan Matossian (00:16):

Yeah. I had to plug in my heater.

Andrew Hiller (00:18):

There it is.

Sevan Matossian (00:20):

I have a wow. I have a dehumidifier in my office cuz I, I know about a year and a half ago I noticed some mold growing in the corner, <laugh>, and it’s detached from my house, so I have a dehumidifier, but now I unplug it when I do the show and turn on the heater.

Andrew Hiller (00:34):

Is that detached from the house?

Sevan Matossian (00:36):

Uh, it, it w uh, it shares a wall with the house, but I have to go outside to come in here.

Andrew Hiller (00:42):

Oh, that’s interesting.

Sevan Matossian (00:43):


Andrew Hiller (00:44):

It must be a California nook.

Sevan Matossian (00:46):

Well, my house is ghetto shit. It’s like, um, it,

Andrew Hiller (00:49):

Is it like an estate? You have like an entire vineyard out there?

Sevan Matossian (00:53):

Yeah, kind of. Basically. It used to be two house ghettos. Well, it used to be two houses and they turned it into, um,

Andrew Hiller (00:59):

Oh, that’s ghetto.

Sevan Matossian (01:00):

One house. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (01:01):

That’s super ghetto. So, so wait, wait, wait. Where you’re at right now is house number two?

Sevan Matossian (01:07):

No, no. The, the main house is still the two houses combined. Well, I don’t know. I don’t even know what I’m talking about, but I just know that there’s some weird shit going on with my house.

Andrew Hiller (01:16):

Is it Bruce Wayne’s birthday? Happy birthday, Bruce. Wayne, If it is

Sevan Matossian (01:21):

Yesterday, something happened at HQ that, um, Ooh, I don’t know how to do this story.

Andrew Hiller (01:31):

<laugh>, what you

Sevan Matossian (01:33):

Got? I don’t know. I don’t know how to even start it.

Andrew Hiller (01:36):

Feed, Feed.

Sevan Matossian (01:37):

So, uh, it’d be interesting what you think of this and if there’s a, if there’s a video here for you for this, but, uh, something big really, really big happened at HQ yesterday.


When, when, when, when you’re, when you’re the executive producer. When, when you’re the manager of something big, when you’re at the top of the food chain and you’re trying to run an organization, um, you job, I’ll give you an example for a movie. So if you have a director of a movie and Tom Cruise is your talent, I think I’ve said this before on here. Um, and Tom Cruise is thinking about walking off because he is fighting with the director. You don’t, uh, let Tom Cruise walk off you, you go talk to the director. The executive producer’s job is to make sure that the director can keep the talent there. The talent is what’s important up, up until up until an extent, Right? Um, if, if, if, if Tom Cruise, the goal is, is to get to the end of the movie and have Tom Cruise star in it. And the director’s job is to make sure that that happens. And if the director can’t get along with the talent, that that’s part of his job to get along with the talent. It doesn’t matter if the talent’s right or wrong, the goal is just to get what you need out of the talent. Up until the point, if the talent were like a drug addict or, or just wasn’t showing up to the set or, or shit like that.


Shelby. Hi. Good morning. Thank you.

Andrew Hiller (03:02):

Shout out. Shout out to Jason Wyland. She says,

Sevan Matossian (03:05):

Uh, Thank you. Who’s Jason? Wlan,

Andrew Hiller (03:08):

I don’t know. Be your biggest fan.

Sevan Matossian (03:09):

Awesome. Jason. What’s up, dude? Oh, Jason puts it to Shelby. That must be Shelby’s husband.

Andrew Hiller (03:17):


Sevan Matossian (03:19):

Uh, the nice gift, by the way, Jason. You man, you got a good one. Keeper. Um, and so, so when I worked at You’re Struggl when I worked at hq, I was very lucky because the 70 or a hundred people, depending on how, how you categorize ’em, that worked for me. They were all really, really hard workers, but they were hard as fuck to manage. And it requires Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise,

Andrew Hiller (03:43):

A whole bunch of Tom

Sevan Matossian (03:44):

Cruises. Well, I don’t know, I don’t want to bitch about Tom Cruise, but, but so many different personalities and so many crazy talented people and so many moods and behaviors. Some of the people that I would have who would work there, their, their method for getting their job done was to come into my office every day and complain

Andrew Hiller (04:04):


Sevan Matossian (04:06):

But, but I knew that that was their, their method. Like that was part of their, the method to their madness, to their creativity. They needed to come in and complain about something. When they took a break from editing or shooting, they would come in and complain about something and I, and I dealt with it.

Andrew Hiller (04:20):

Right. So So you’re the director?

Sevan Matossian (04:25):

No, I was the executive producer.

Andrew Hiller (04:27):

Got it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Dealing with the talent.

Sevan Matossian (04:30):

You’re just dealing with the talent. And, um, so there was a guy who worked at CrossFit Inc. Who uh, started there a couple years after I got there. He’s been there forever. And yesterday he was fired.

Andrew Hiller (04:47):

You don’t care to share, do

Sevan Matossian (04:49):

You? And this guy, I don’t know if I should say his name. This guy has done the programming. This guy has been done the programming almost exclusively for.com for over 12 years.

Andrew Hiller (05:02):


Sevan Matossian (05:03):


Andrew Hiller (05:04):

I love the.com programming.

Sevan Matossian (05:05):

This guy was the go-to guy for everyone to go to. If you needed a second opinion on something from the general counsel to me, to Greg Glassman, he was Greg Glassman’s go-to guy. This guy worked directly underneath me. He was my five star general. He was my rock. He knew everything that was in the journal. We, I called him The Guardian. Uh, basically when I would introduce him to people and people would be like, What do you do? Anything that was forward facing that the world saw may have been my responsibility, but still had to pass through this guy. This guy pushed the button on his keyboard for every journal article you ever saw, Every video you ever saw, every saying

Andrew Hiller (05:48):

<laugh>, you’re saying there’s a new guy joining the team.

Sevan Matossian (05:51):

I, he’s, this guy’s not replaceable. James Hobart. Yes. James Hobart probably called this guy every fucking week to run something by him. I betcha Austin Mallo did the same thing. I betcha fucking this guy, this guy. Um, there, there was another guy, there was another guy there who, um, had the similar, similar capabilities, but we didn’t use him to that extent. It was Mike wa he now works for Chris Cooper. Just, just savages. These guys could date. Greg could say to either of these guys, Hey, write something up for me in my voice and Greg, and they could do it. And then Greg would hand it to him and Greg would like fix it.

Andrew Hiller (06:32):

He’s like that guy in school. The nerd.

Sevan Matossian (06:34):

This dude do my homework. This dude, uh, started probably working there when he is 27. He’s 40 years old now. He has two, uh, two daughters. He was a rock. He was very blunt. You could just walk. I would, I would, I would tell him to do stuff and it wouldn’t and it wouldn’t get done. And he would call him and be like, Hey, we can’t do this, this, and this. Because I think it goes against the ethos or the ideology or, or the methodology. And we would talk it out. 99% of the time he’d be right. He’d stand up to Greg, he’d stand up to anyone. He would be so calm. He had more institutional knowledge, I think than anyone who works there currently working there, including Dave and Nicole.

Andrew Hiller (07:17):

Oh, no shit.

Sevan Matossian (07:18):

Yes, yes. He, he was the center where all the spokes came into all the spokes. And when Eric Rosa took over, this guy was basically just, these are the kind of people in the company that, um, that, that, that, that, uh, new people would never understand. He was the culture he used to own CrossFit Santa Cruz, the very first gym. This guy

Sevan Matossian (07:50):

<laugh> with his

Andrew Hiller (07:52):

Wife who fired, who fired him.

Sevan Matossian (07:56):

His boss.

Andrew Hiller (07:58):

His boss fired him.

Sevan Matossian (07:59):

Okay, This guy, if you don’t know this guy, if, if you don’t know how to manage tremendous talent, this guy was never rude. Uh, by the way, I wanna also say this about this guy. This is also the guy. If anyone from the janitor to Greg were in the parking lot and they couldn’t get their car started and he walked by, he’d come over and be like, Oh, let me look under your hood. And he’d fix that shit. He was an engineer. He dealt with all the streams, uh, for the games. He dealt with the journal, with all the training, video, everything. This guy was the fucking hub. Good morning Athena.

Andrew Hiller (08:41):

I just saw the title of this show. It says, I warned you.

Sevan Matossian (08:44):

Well, this is, I mean that’s a, that’s a whole different issue. That’s a whole different two. Oh

Andrew Hiller (08:49):


Sevan Matossian (08:50):

<laugh> two very interesting things. I’m sorry to Hi. Hijack your show. Mr. Hiller. I

Andrew Hiller (08:54):

Get going. I want to, I want to hear the name.

Sevan Matossian (08:57):

I cannot

Andrew Hiller (08:57):

For one of the comments section.

Sevan Matossian (08:59):

I cannot believe they let

Andrew Hiller (09:01):


Sevan Matossian (09:02):

Uh, Bruce Wayne, $5. You guys are the best. Thank you Chevy. Thanks for the community you’ve assembled here. Love you brother Bruce. You’re the best. Thanks for always supporting the show, dude. Always, always, always. You’re one of the guys. I think about during the day when I’m not even doing the show.

Andrew Hiller (09:16):

Heidi says that you’re edging right now.

Sevan Matossian (09:18):

I am edging. I don’t wanna do anything to, um, I I don’t want, I, I don’t know, I don’t know how this guy feels about me, me talking about this. Uh, but, but I guarantee like

Andrew Hiller (09:30):

Are you buddies with him?

Sevan Matossian (09:32):

I would, I’m very close with them.

Andrew Hiller (09:34):

Should I? You should have him on. Send him a

Sevan Matossian (09:37):

Link. He’s not even that kind of guy. He would never come on. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. He’s not gonna want any attention. He never wanted attention. No one knew who he was. I could be in the room with him and he would deny he, he, he worked for me. I could be in the room with him and be like, and talk to him about the programming and he’ll be like, Okay, I’ll tell the guy. He would never even admit that he did the programming ever to anyone.

Andrew Hiller (09:58):

How many people know he does the programming?

Sevan Matossian (10:02):

I don’t know. 10, 20.

Andrew Hiller (10:05):


Sevan Matossian (10:06):

Just, just the p I mean ju there. So

Andrew Hiller (10:08):

Who was gonna do it now? Wait,

Sevan Matossian (10:10):

How the fuck knows who the fuck knows?

Andrew Hiller (10:12):

Cause today looks typical. Bill do a heavy overhead squat. That’s something I’ve seen for the past 10 years.

Sevan Matossian (10:18):

He probably curious what a look like. He probably, he probably built it out a month in advance. He probably built it out.

Andrew Hiller (10:24):

Okay. That’ll be interesting to see.

Sevan Matossian (10:27):

The person who fired him obviously has no idea how to manage talent. No, it’s not hall, it’s not

Andrew Hiller (10:34):

Circle. I get it.

Sevan Matossian (10:35):

But you’re getting close. You guys will never guess who it is. You don’t know who he is. He just went under the name Puy. But everyone at HQ knows who he is. Everybody. Everybody. And I’m telling you, it’s like the kind of thing that’s gonna rattle the L one team, the seminar staff. Nobody who needs, no one who’s a fucking a level top tier worker at CrossFit HQ is happy that this guy is gone. There’s people who hate him who are like, What the fuck? You cannot fire this guy.

Andrew Hiller (11:11):

Do you know why he got fired?

Sevan Matossian (11:15):

Uh, yeah, I know he got fired. Cause

Andrew Hiller (11:19):

So too, you’re gonna say along with his name.

Sevan Matossian (11:21):

I, I don’t wanna get into the details, but it, it, I I’ll surmise it like this. It’s because his leadership couldn’t manage him. It’s because his leadership had, it’s because his leadership had an enormous ego I had. And, and, uh, this guy’s just very blunt. This guy’s just very, very blunt. Not rude, never rude. Give

Andrew Hiller (11:40):

Give an example of what you mean by blunt.

Sevan Matossian (11:43):


Andrew Hiller (11:43):

I can assume, but I don’t like doing that.

Sevan Matossian (11:46):

Um, uh, you could say, let me see. I I I, yeah, it’s, it’s a totally fair question. Um, you would be in a meeting and, um, everyone would be, uh, praising a video, let’s say. And and he would right away say, I’m trying, I’m trying, trying to think. Uh, he, you

Andrew Hiller (12:05):

Can probably even give an example if you know him that well and then know where to know <laugh>, who you’re talking about. I, I,

Sevan Matossian (12:10):

I just have some, uh, some examples that just involve too many people that I don’t recently, that I don’t wanna, um, I don’t wanna reveal how much I know.

Andrew Hiller (12:18):

Would it be like, everyone says that your hair looks great and I’d go, I think it’s thinning.

Sevan Matossian (12:22):

Yes. Yes. <laugh>. Yes. And he would say with a very

Andrew Hiller (12:25):

We that you don’t use shampoo. Seth thought and be like, Well, I think it’s thinning

Sevan Matossian (12:28):

Dude. And he would, and he would say it with a very stoic, um, he was always very stoic. He was never serious shit. He was never rude. He never missed a fucking days of work, ever. The whole time I was there, he worked 365 days a year. He was always available. He, he, he has to be the, the guy with the greatest institutional knowledge. He works there. There’s people who worked there longer like Nicole and Dave, but they’re in their silos. Dave and Nicole are in their silos. They’re in their, they’re in their lanes. This guy was in everyone’s lane. I guarantee you James Hobart is not happy that this guy got fired. It’s nuts. It, it really concerns me. He’s a hardcore worker Bee. The la what, what’s missing that CrossFit HQ right now? So to give you an idea, if you’re an affiliate owner, to give you an idea of what’s going on at hq, when I was working there, my photo department, my photo department had four employees. Now there’s no photo department.

Andrew Hiller (13:32):

What does a photo department do?

Sevan Matossian (13:34):

Uh, so hey, uh, Andrew Hiller’s doing a Andrew Hiller, it has an affiliate and he’s doing a, um, and that doesn’t include contractors. When I say my photo department had four people, it had 30 people including contractors. But Andrew Hiller is doing an event at his gym to raise money for, um, uh, for people who can’t afford, uh, um, uh, their affiliate fees. And, um, so we’re gonna send out a photographer there to take pictures. Um, there’s an event at the, uh, there’s semi-finals. You send a photo guy there to, uh, take pictures and make sure that we have pictures for the front end. Um, the games needs, um, let’s say pictures for, uh, the open movement standards. We send someone out there for the photo department. Uh, Greg’s doing a speaking engagement in, uh, Berlin. We send a photographer there to and then come back and edit them. Uh, make sure we have a library, make sure we have his, like a historical, you know, all the photos from the history of CrossFit. By the way, all that’s gone to shit, these massive fucking million dollar hard drives we used to have. We, we have no, there’s no team there to manage any of that. Now it’s gone. Yeah. Sounds

Andrew Hiller (14:46):

I just

Sevan Matossian (14:47):

Read Yeah, Kenya. Yeah, exactly. I used to make fun of him all the time for being autistic. I used to make fun of him all the time. Oh, you got outta the, you got outta the, uh, home for mentally disabled adults. Good job, buddy. I used to tease him all the time.

Andrew Hiller (15:03):

You said he is been there that long. How many people have been there that long? Dave and Nicole still, right?

Sevan Matossian (15:07):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy, this guy leaving. This guy’s gotta be one of the longest working employees there.

Andrew Hiller (15:13):

Well, so I,

Sevan Matossian (15:14):

I guarantee you the person who fired him too, the person who fired him has no idea what he does. None. No idea what he does. No idea. Oh, I guarantee you, I guarantee you Todd Whitman is, is bummed that this guy was fired. I’m telling you, everyone knows this guy. They have a massive shortage of worker bees there. Massive. So, so when I had Don on, he wanted to grow the company. <laugh>. That’s his thing. You can’t grow the company by firing people like that. You cannot,


You cannot grow the company by firing a guy like this. This, this guy was, this guy ba was in charge of all the publication in the journal. After Mark, Mark, Mike Workington would approve something, then it would go to Leaf and then Leaf would watch it. This guy watched every fucking video. I disagree. I don’t think Don’s an empty suit at all. I disagree 100%. I actually have great hope for Don. I’m actually really was. I’m really impressed by Don. I think, I think, I think the only thing we saw from Don that that, um, troubling is too strong of a word, but he knows how, He knows corporate talk. He knows how to say a bunch of shit without saying anything. But, but, but, but look where he came from. But, but I do believe Don’s landed in his dream job and he has more energy and passion to run HQ than than anyone, um, than anyone who’s been in that position since, you know, he’s, he’s got equal to anyone. I think he this guy fucking is, is, uh, I think if you cut this guy open, he, um, bleeds CrossFit that the big test with Don is gonna be, are we gonna get him for 10 years? If he’s only there for four years, then you know, it was all a lie and a joke. We need a guy in there for 10 years. That’s a, that’s a permanent position.

Andrew Hiller (17:09):


Sevan Matossian (17:12):

I’ll keep you guys up to speed on what happens. Uh, but a huge, huge loss for the entire community. Huge loss for the affiliates. Massive loss for the affiliates today.

Andrew Hiller (17:26):

I used to do.com workouts every Sunday. We would like choose two or three of them from the week and just kind of do ’em back to back or with a 10 minute break in between. ’em, there’s a point in time in there where they were different, uh, 2019 or so, maybe 2018 late. They seemed as if they’d changed. There was things called slips in there. Yeah, yeah. A ring called ring

Sevan Matossian (17:47):

Progression. Yes. There was a, a time in there in 2018 where Greg took over the programming for two months and basically that would make sense. Yeah. And Greg basically said, Hey, I wanna do some adjustments Leaf, let me show you what I wanna do. And he ran it for two months. And Leaf would go over to Greg’s house. And I remember I used to have to sit there. I didn’t hate, you know how much I love programming, Uhhuh, <affirmative>, Uh, and I would have to fucking sit there day in and day out and they’d be on the whiteboard tinkering with workouts for hours. And I’d be like, Ugh, gross. They’d be like, they, they’ve always been, it was being with art, it was like being with artists. They’d be like appreciating the painting on the wall. And I, I couldn’t, I didn’t. I just like, can I just do some burpees?

Andrew Hiller (18:24):

So if I go to.com like this 1 21 15 9, push jerks and chest of Ches debar pulls. It’s Fran a little heavier but no squatting. 15 med ball queens, 10 toes to bar as many rounds in 10 minutes as possible. If they’re just like really great workouts and you’re telling me we’re never gonna see that ever again.

Sevan Matossian (18:43):

I’m telling you that something is, something is really amiss with the leadership at hq. If you have a manager who can’t manage this guy and get the work out of this guy, you don’t fire this guy. You address the manager. This is a massive shortcoming on the manager side. Massive. I have no idea if Donna approved it, how the fuck would I know that

Andrew Hiller (19:16):


Sevan Matossian (19:17):

The people, there are people there at hq, the new people, they come from places where they put systems in place and they think everyone is replaceable. That is not what can happen at CrossFit hq. That is not this, that is not this kind of business. That is not this kind of business. You guys have fucking lost your mind from this. This will be huge. This, this will be fucking massive. And here’s, here’s one of the biggest things it’s gonna do. It’s completely demoralized everyone who works there. And tho if you find someone who says it hasn’t demoralized them, they’re either new or they’re lying to you, you cannot get rid of this guy. You have to talk to the manager and figure out a way to keep this guy. You’re, you guys are outta your fucking mind. He’s so fucking loyal to CrossFit. He’s owned an affiliate. He’s been there forever. He worked under, directly under Greg, Tony. Me.


Everyone there respects him. Dave respects the shit out of him. Nicole Carroll respects the shit out of him. I guarantee the general counsel, uh, Marshall b Brenner respects the shit out of him. Those of you that were involved in his firing you’re involved in is firing your pathetic. You are fucking pathetic. You, you should be take, you should be taken to managerial school. You have no fucking idea what that guy did and what he bring, what he brought to the table. Uh, Nicole’s been there from the beginning, just forever. I think. I think Nicole and Dave are the only two people there who’ve been there longer than I was there. I I wouldn’t be surprised if Chris Cooper swooped him up. This guy can do it all. He can run the front end. He can do, he can do programming, he can program websites. He can tweak websites. There’s, there’s so much shit he did behind the scenes, saving days when the game stream would go down live and he’d get it back up on his own. Cuz he’s in there fucking kidding. Sunday at three in the morning. No, he was the go-to guy. You’re telling me Greg got question

Andrew Hiller (21:38):

You should bring him

Sevan Matossian (21:39):

On. If, if if if Greg, this guy would never come on. He’s way too humble.

Andrew Hiller (21:43):

No, no, no. Not on the show, on the team.

Sevan Matossian (21:45):

Oh, if I could afford it, I would.

Andrew Hiller (21:48):

Seton podcast team.

Sevan Matossian (21:53):

You he ba he basically just probably set the journal from ever coming back. It’s so sad. On a secondary note, just as vague.


Someone yesterday, I I I’ve told you guys so many times there, there’s this group of you who works at HQ who fucking hate me to death. And I get it. I totally get it. You think it’s cool to call a 20 year, 20 week old baby a clump of cells? And I don’t I think it’s a baby. You think it’s okay to to say that black people are stupid and that’s why we should help them out. I get it. I don’t, I don’t think anyone’s, it should be judged by the color of their skin. I get it. But I warned you, I gently warned you several times not to say my fucking name and, and, and a couple days ago you thought it would be funny to say my name to someone to tell a story, make up a story and say something about me.

Andrew Hiller (23:01):

Oh fuck

Sevan Matossian (23:02):

Yeah, that again. Oh fuck that again.

Andrew Hiller (23:06):


Sevan Matossian (23:07):

I know you didn’t sleep last night. I know you’re shit in your pants. Oh, but don’t think I didn’t warn you. I’m just over here minding my own business, doing my own shit. And you think it’s cool just to tell stories? Bullshit live stories about me. Hi. Good morning.

Speaker 4 (23:26):

Good morning. How are you?

Sevan Matossian (23:28):

I’m wound up. I’m wound up. I’m stealing Hillary’s show. I feel horrible for it. Hill’s got so many great videos on there.

Andrew Hiller (23:34):


Sevan Matossian (23:34):

Good. We’re good. We’re good.

Andrew Hiller (23:35):

I’m here all day. Well,

Speaker 4 (23:37):

I don’t want, I don’t wanna keep you cause I’m gonna watch the show. I just want and say for the, that we we’re gonna get for the Invitational and also Bailey

Sevan Matossian (23:50):

<laugh>. Thank you for Bailey. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (23:53):

You’re welcome. Cheers, Levon. Cheers.

Sevan Matossian (23:56):

Cheers. Oh, sorry I didn’t mean to hang up on you from the uk Sorry, I didn’t mean to hang up on you. Sorry. Uh, I will, I will keep you guys updated on both of these stories. Yeah. Keep, keep my name outta your fucking mouth. You just stay on your big ass corporate ship. But you better fu you you, I mean it’s too late now. You let the fuse again.

Andrew Hiller (24:20):

You got anymore or

Sevan Matossian (24:21):

I, I don’t want, I don’t want, I don’t want, I don’t, honestly, I don’t want you to lose your job. It sucks losing your job. It really sucks. Me and my wife are fired on the same day. It sucks my, my my my buddy here who, uh, who got fired yesterday. But you, you know who you are. Who, who, who, who. You know who you are. You feel the acts dropping on you. You should, you, you should forget those lies that you’re telling people about me. You should keep my name and Greg’s name out of your mouth always at all times.

Andrew Hiller (24:55):


Sevan Matossian (24:56):

Yeah. Yeah. Did I make a video on this? And and I wanna tell you Yes. And I wanna, you did make a video on this and I wanna tell you one more thing. Those you’re hurting all the other haters too. Your whole little posse of haters. You’re gonna get fished out. Good morning.

Speaker 4 (25:13):

Good morning. Hi uh, I have a question. I’ve been kinda of waiting for call-in show, but I of want’s on this too. Um, I was wondering what you requiring CrossFit coaches? Like if you’re gonna coach a to Uh, I think I’ve been thinking about it a lot and I feel like it would just give some more incentive to get more people to get their L one. And also just, I’ve been in some gyms, like my girlfriend’s at school right now and her CrossFit gym. Some of the coaches just, they just say some retarded shit. I’m like, I think

Sevan Matossian (25:49):

You have to have an a a level one to coach. No you

Andrew Hiller (25:52):

Don’t. You do not have to have one No.

Sevan Matossian (25:55):

To coach at CrossFit gym. You don’t

Speaker 4 (25:57):


Andrew Hiller (25:58):

From what I understand, through a lot of insurance companies, you have to have somebody in the building at the time of classes being coached. Someone has to have a level one at that point in time. But that’s like the minimum. And I don’t that, that’s how through insurance.

Sevan Matossian (26:14):

I’m glad you used the Yes. I’m glad you used the word retarded caller hell, thank you. Because retarded I, I’ll look up the definition of retarded. It’s, it’s less advanced in mental, physical or social development than is usual for one’s age. And I think the way you’re using it is less advanced in mental, physical or social development than someone who should be teaching in L one. And I think it’s okay to use it like that And, and according to Google it’s an offensive word, but, but it’s, it, it’s not offensive. No, no, no. Words are offensive. Only people make them offensive. So we’ll scratch

Andrew Hiller (26:46):

That. I I have a really good stick on that later. But <laugh> I got something but well, yeah, in relation to the question,


Um, I, you said it’s retarded. Some people I think it’s the ideals they’re putting in. So yes, of course it’s better if you have a level one that being said, somebody can have a level one and still be spewing garbage. Uh, does that make sense? Yeah, I think you should have it course. I think that it should be something where you should be even in the pursuit of it. So let’s say somebody doesn’t have it, but somebody in the pursuit of their level one, let’s say they’ve signed up for or they’re saving up for it or they’ve just become like into the CrossFit community. They’re a lot of the times in a better head space than some people who have been in it for some time. And I guess I could even point to this simply Mander girl who’s been in the community since what looks like 2014. But at this point is saying shit like CrossFit ruiner, I’d much rather have somebody who’s like pursuing a level two, level three or even their level one and not having, had had it yet then said, of course you should have it because you learn quite a bit. You should take it again and again.


Get the level two.

Speaker 4 (27:57):

Yeah, I just, some of the, some of the things, like I’ve been there a couple times and then she’ll come, she’ll call me like I have my level one and um, I take it pretty seriously and stuff. So she’ll call me and ask me about some of these things coaches tell her or, and I’m, and some of these stories just sound like horror stories. I’m like, this is, can you give one?

Sevan Matossian (28:17):

Can you give us one

Andrew Hiller (28:18):

One? I’m actually

Speaker 4 (28:20):

It on this. Yeah. Like, so one time she was working on her toes bar or she’s trying to get toes to bar to be able to train ’em together and she was doing, um, she was doing some hip or exercise cause she just has really weak hip flexes from like, uh, a lot of like horse riding her whole life. And one of the coaches came up to her and he like, Hey, are you to do? And she’s, I’m trying to get my toes to bar. Um, so I’m just working on Hips Flex and stuff like that. And he’s like, Oh that has nothing to do with <inaudible>. You just need to do like shit ups and work on like core strength. I’m like, well

Andrew Hiller (28:51):

That guy’s a fucking idiot.

Speaker 4 (28:53):

Yeah. And it the same, the same dude. It’s like terrible at double under.

Andrew Hiller (28:56):

Oh, I, before I say that, you also have to ask where he’s coming from with that statement. Like what gives him the right to just say that it’s a blanket statement? Cause she could very well be right and he could have a point, but like where, how well does he know her? Where is he coming from? What’s her goal? What’s the stimulus of the workout? Right.

Speaker 4 (29:15):

Uh, well she, she was just training like after a class cuz she doesn’t have toes to bar and that’s like kind of like her, uh, like little extra goal right now to just try to work on those and be able to do them and workouts and stuff like that. But, and then this same dude like has terrible double unders and stuff. And then, uh, she said that some girl was trying to learn them next to her the other day and she was, she asked him for advice and he was like, Well just, just keep trying harder and like his double unders look terrible. She’s uh, not doing them right obviously. Cause she’s trying to learn them and he’s just like, Oh, just, just just do it faster. Like spin, just go harder. And I’m like, that’s not really coaching, that’s just like, like shitty encouragement, cheerleading. I’m okay with it. Exactly. I’m okay with it.

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