#636 – Rogue Invitational Prediction Show

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Do you? Bam. We’re live. Do you know how hard it was, Brian, to sit here and not say one thing, make one elephant boy comment the entire time I’ve been back here for three minutes talking to John. What the fuck happened to you? Did you get stung by a bee?

John Young (00:15):

No, I didn’t get stung by a b

Sevan Matossian (00:17):

A a barbell fell on you a plate. You were something over head.

John Young (00:20):

Me, me and Brian had a disagreement. And, um, yeah, he’s much tougher than he looks.

Sevan Matossian (00:26):

Brian only hits kids. What,

John Young (00:29):

What? How? So I, uh, I, I woke up yesterday morning and, um, started scratching my neck really hard. Uh, I woke up real fast. I told my wife something was wrong, and she was like, It was probably just a mosquito. I was like, It’s not, no, this is not what a mosquito feels like. And then I, I went to the bathroom, saw my face was a little bit messed up, and, uh, went back to my bed

Sevan Matossian (00:56):

A little bit

John Young (00:57):

To, uh, to look at and nothing was in my bed. And then I lifted up my pillow and there was a whole bunch of fire ants underneath my pillow.

Sevan Matossian (01:05):


John Young (01:05):

Shit. And, uh, I was just getting ate up by fire. Ants <laugh> by the back of my neck got really, uh,

Brian Friend (01:12):

It, But John is such a good dude. You know what he said? Thank God it was my side and not yours, honey.

John Young (01:17):

Yeah, that’s exactly what I said. She didn’t get bit once. I don’t know how that does, how that happens,

Sevan Matossian (01:21):

But What state is that?

John Young (01:23):


Sevan Matossian (01:25):

I don’t even think we have those in California. Well, maybe up in, up in Northern California or closer to the border. Not, not where I’m at.

John Young (01:32):

It was, it was quite traumatizing. I, we’ll see

Sevan Matossian (01:37):

<laugh>. So one bit You on your eyelid?

John Young (01:40):

Yeah. This is what I looked like in the morning, yesterday

Sevan Matossian (01:44):

Morning. That doesn’t even look like you don’t let anyone who took that picture fire them.

Brian Friend (01:51):


Sevan Matossian (01:52):


Brian Friend (01:52):

Me. That’s his photographer, his personal photographer. He asked them to be the first thing in the morning when he wakes up, just in case.

John Young (01:58):


Sevan Matossian (01:58):

My goodness. Uh, this morning I woke up to, uh, Fuckhead Chase Ingram sending me this picture. He said, This is what Bill, uh, Bill Grundler looks like. And this is what I look like. I’ll let you figure out which one I am at

Brian Friend (02:15):

The, I love Alte. Uh, one of my favorite roles he ever played in his, uh, movie called Peaceful Warrior.

John Young (02:24):

Uh, just warrior. He’s great.

Brian Friend (02:26):

Also Warrior. Yes. He’s very great in that. You’re right. I,

Sevan Matossian (02:30):

I what? I must have like bodied dysmorphia or something. I just look at myself and I look just like there’s like an little older version of a 17 year old me. I’m, I’m not even that like, really? Do I look that old? Look at my neck’s still tighten. Shit. <laugh> my neck. Fuck. Are you guys looking at My hair is still thick. I’m still like, What are you guys looking at?

Brian Friend (02:52):


Sevan Matossian (02:52):

At, at John, you look, You look great. Thank you. The swelling. Cr you just want me to stop talking about myself. The swelling comes from being scarred. Scared, scared, scary, scarred. The swelling comes from being scared of Brian.

John Young (03:06):

Must be what it is. He

Brian Friend (03:07):

Saw the,

Sevan Matossian (03:07):

My swelling could come from my attraction to Brian. I’ll tell you that. Thank you Magnus. Wow. Magazine. You don’t even say nice shit. That’s awesome. Wow. I’m almost, No,

John Young (03:17):

I had a, I had a guy convinced at my gym, totally convinced that, uh, I had taken up ufc. I told him this is my first fight for UFC and <laugh>. He’s, he’s a little bit naive. There’s a girl at my gym who’s a black belt in Juujitsu. And uh, I told him I’ve been working with her. And then, uh, I had a fight over the weekend and I made like $3,000 and he started telling people this. And I was like, I’m, I’m just, I’m just kidding. He was

Sevan Matossian (03:44):


John Young (03:45):

Fighting. Convinced.

Sevan Matossian (03:48):

Oh, I got some bad badi. That, that Kate, That could be Kate Whoah. That could Oh, not, no. Uh, John Young’s. I got some bad badi. Maybe.

John Young (03:59):

I don’t know what that means.

Sevan Matossian (04:01):

I did. You don’t wanna know. You’re a good dude. You’re a good dude. Keep keep, let’s keep the show clear. It

John Young (04:06):

Doesn’t sound good.

Sevan Matossian (04:07):

Uh, before we start, I would like to know some thoughts on three people if you guys may. You guys okay with that before we go into the rogue predictions?

Brian Friend (04:18):

Is it Nick Norte?

Sevan Matossian (04:20):


Brian Friend (04:20):

Oh no, not, we’re not for past that. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (04:22):

No. Uh, what’s the deal with Hailey Adams? Has she made an announcements yet? Is she

Brian Friend (04:27):

Still, Uh, I just talked to her yesterday.

Sevan Matossian (04:29):

Oh, tell me, tell me what’s going on.

Brian Friend (04:30):

We talked, just talked about Post Malone though.

Sevan Matossian (04:33):

Oh, uh, in your dms, or you were texting or you called her? Yeah. Yeah.

Brian Friend (04:37):

I had a opportunity to go to see Post Malone, thanks to Patrick Clark a couple weeks ago. She was, uh, I think went a couple nights ago. Um, so I just sent her a message about that and it was pretty good. I would encourage people to go if they can, uh, find a way.

Sevan Matossian (04:52):

And, and did you ask, is, is she still training at Mayhem?

Brian Friend (04:56):

I think she’s, I think she is still training at Mayhem. I don’t know what programming she’s doing, and I did not ask her.

Sevan Matossian (05:05):

John, any, any thoughts on, uh, Hay? No,

John Young (05:08):

But I have not talked,

Brian Friend (05:09):

I thought about asking her because I knew you had asked me, but I decided that I had asked her another

Sevan Matossian (05:14):

Time. Okay. I’m gonna send, uh, su let, let’s get Haley Adams on. Okay. Um, and, uh, Gabriela,

Brian Friend (05:27):

I, I knew you were gonna ask about these people, so I did do some research. The things that I had thought were happening with Gabby in the off season are not happening with Gabby in the off season, but I don’t know what is happening with her.

Sevan Matossian (05:38):

Uh, is she still in, on that island off the coast of Spain?

Brian Friend (05:42):

No, I think that they’ve been, her and Kristoff have been up in Iceland. They were doing some training with a strong man, uh, yesterday. All the athletes are trying to learn how to do that clean and press with the log. It’s actually amazing how accessible it seems to be seemly everyone’s able to find one. Um,

Sevan Matossian (05:58):

Is or is not

Brian Friend (05:59):

Is, I mean, I mean, not everyone, but I’ve seen, you know, at least half a dozen, maybe upwards of 10 athletes on Instagram who are posting that they’re working on this, you know, log thing after the, after Rogue put up the video of Christie doing it. Um, Christie amo by the way, also had a really impressive, uh, endurance feat the other day in some kind of, uh, I’m not sure what it was. Marathon. Marathon? Is it a it was a marathon.

John Young (06:21):

Yeah. Yeah. 7 0 3 pays for a full marathon. Seven, seven minute pace is sub three hours. And that’s what she, uh,

Sevan Matossian (06:29):

So she runs good.

Brian Friend (06:31):

Yeah. <laugh> still isn’t, I mean, we knew she’s a good runner, but it’s very impressive. Um, yeah. So I thought I had, had thought that, that Gabby was gonna make a change this off season. Now it’s, it sounds like she’s, uh, still indecisive. So holding pattern for both of those athletes still.

Sevan Matossian (06:49):

Uh, meaning, um, you, uh, she could still be with, uh, John Singleton. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>? No,

Brian Friend (06:56):

I don’t think so. And that, I don’t think so for that, but what I had thought she was gonna do, it sounds like she’s reconsidered or seeking other opportunities.

Sevan Matossian (07:07):

Oh, okay. So, so,

Brian Friend (07:08):

Which makes me feel good about not, you know, suc coming to your pressure every time and, and talking about it out of turn.

Sevan Matossian (07:13):

Well, I’m sure it was to go to Ben Smith, I’m sure, Sure is. To go to Benson. You didn’t need to say, I just know everyone wants to live in West Virginia.

Brian Friend (07:25):

He’s in just regular old Virginia.

Sevan Matossian (07:27):

Oh, thank you <laugh>. Think of all the misinformation that would come out of this show if it wasn’t for you, Bryan. Uh, is this guy showing up to the Rogue Invitational?

Brian Friend (07:40):

Oh yeah,

John Young (07:40):

He is

Brian Friend (07:43):

Actually put out my rankings last night and someone messaged me. I knew it caught me totally off guard. I mean, surely I expect people to have, you know, opinions based on what we put. But someone said they wanted to make me a bet that Jeff Adler would beat Roman Kre off at the Rogue Invitational this year.

Sevan Matossian (07:58):

God, who is that? Uh, a moves really good, Huh?

Brian Friend (08:03):

Adler’s gotta be amongst the, you know, he, he reminds me of Ben Smith and Scott Patrick. He’s just like such a good move or a very little wasted movement. Extremely efficient. Um, and that’s why those guys have been so successful. You know, they’ve built up that, those movement patterns that are so effective over time and they’re able to do it at, at a fast pace.

Sevan Matossian (08:22):

I was gonna say Hobart

John Young (08:25):

<laugh>, he’s a little different than

Brian Friend (08:27):

Hobart Great mover as well,

Sevan Matossian (08:28):

Of course. But I think that’s how Hobart does double

Brian Friend (08:30):

Under Hobart doesn’t have, you know, he doesn’t have multiple top five finishes at the games like those other three guys,

Sevan Matossian (08:35):

Uh, correct

Brian Friend (08:37):

In the individual division,

Sevan Matossian (08:38):

But he’s probably accidentally drank out of the same, um, uh, shaker as Rich Froning more times than, uh, any other human being

Brian Friend (08:47):


Sevan Matossian (08:48):

Right. You’re right, you’re right. That was, I you’re right. I should just report the facts and not put my opinion. You’re right. Has, has. Uh,

Brian Friend (08:56):

But the only thing in the Shaker bottles that Rich Drinks is Home Milk. I think

Sevan Matossian (09:00):

Home Milk. How the fuck does Mayhem not have, does Mayhem have a supplement?

Brian Friend (09:07):

Uh, I don’t know. You know, I was, uh, I don’t think so. Maybe it’s just a There needs meat.

Sevan Matossian (09:13):

There needs to be a frowning Creatin.

John Young (09:16):

A AdvoCare.

Sevan Matossian (09:18):

Do they, do they sell Creatin?

Brian Friend (09:20):

Hey, whatever happened to Pro Genix? Remember that was like the most prominent supplement for 2000.

John Young (09:25):

I know. It was cuz the Strong Mans, they, they sponsored Strong Man Pro Genics did, and then they stopped sponsoring them. They just went away. Hm.

Sevan Matossian (09:32):

Pro Genic

Brian Friend (09:34):

Sson. Do you know we’re, um,

Sevan Matossian (09:35):

The owner got Women bad accident? Say that again.

Brian Friend (09:39):

Do you know we’re cover covering both the men and the women today?

Sevan Matossian (09:42):

I didn’t, Does that, Are you telling me that we need to get on it?

Brian Friend (09:44):

Who is the third person on your, uh, hit list?

Sevan Matossian (09:48):

Oh, uh, GE Matos,

Brian Friend (09:52):

You know, anything John?

John Young (09:53):

He’s not doing rogue. That’s <laugh>.

Brian Friend (09:57):

He’s not doing rogue.

John Young (09:59):

That’s all we know. That’s, that’s what we know, <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (10:02):

But do we know why?

John Young (10:04):


Brian Friend (10:05):

Barbell Spin is saying these issues, but

John Young (10:07):

He would place too high in Rogue and everybody would have unreal expectations for the games. No,

Brian Friend (10:12):

No, no. That’s why. And the comments that Barbell Spin says it has to do with Visa issues. Um, he has been that, that that guy has been pretty, uh, in tune with athletes in trying to find that stuff out. He was the one who reported, uh, Ellie Turner having a visa issues that were, and he also reported that those were resolved. Um, so I would take his word for that at this

John Young (10:32):

Point. So I’m guessing he, he went back to Brazil after the games.

Sevan Matossian (10:37):

Dude, listen to Brian is not Brian. How are you? Like, Yeah, I guess they say it’s these issues. You gotta believe him, I guess. I mean, you don’t sound like you believe it, but you want us to believe it.

Brian Friend (10:49):

Uh, it’s, I don’t know. I mean, it’s weird. It’s weird that, uh, he wanted that. He hasn’t said anything about it, you know, But he’s been pretty, pretty quiet in general.

Sevan Matossian (11:00):

Wow. Look at this. Here we go. In speaking with Maros, maybe you’re gonna have to replace, uh, John or Brian on the show. Mr. Spin and speaking with Maros, he told the barbell spin, God, I you’re such a look at, I’m talking about himself in the third person. I love it. He currently is unable to travel to the United States of America, the bastion of freedom and rock and roll as he works through his visa process.

Brian Friend (11:28):

From what I know about Visa issues in general, and CrossFit, if you’re a legitimate professional athlete in the sport, you can resolve the visa issues. We’ve seen it with Sam Briggs even up to the last minute, the games. We’ve seen it with Ellie Turner just in this past couple month or, or weeks or so. And, uh, same with, you know, gee, I feel like if that was an issue, it’s a resolvable issue, most likely if you wanted to pursue it. Um, but who knows? Maybe, you know, maybe it’s a roadblock and he’s got other things that he wants to do or he is not feeling a hundred percent. And so he doesn’t wanna pursue that aggressively right now. I think if he wanted to get there, he could find a way to get there

Sevan Matossian (12:03):

Is 200,000? No,

Brian Friend (12:07):


Sevan Matossian (12:08):

See, $200,000 a lot in Brazil.

Brian Friend (12:15):


Sevan Matossian (12:17):

Uh, is that $100 a lot of money in Rio? Depending on, uh, I mean, it’s, it’s a lot.

John Young (12:25):

200,000. It’d be like 2 million pesos.

Sevan Matossian (12:29):

Hey, I, I will say this. I, I did ask, uh, uh, Matt Fraser, I said, Hey, I just can’t believe that, um, Ma wouldn’t just, since Tia’s not there, just go get the money.

John Young (12:40):


Brian Friend (12:41):

He say? You asked him that.

Sevan Matossian (12:42):

Yeah. And he said, and I paraphrase, You’d be surprised how much money some of the athletes are making.

Brian Friend (12:54):

Yep. Some small, small few.

John Young (12:56):

Yes. I think the drop off is quite huge once you get past the top five.

Sevan Matossian (13:01):

That, that, Yeah. I mean, as, as it should be. The, the rest of the people fucked them.

Brian Friend (13:06):

Yes. Yes. I said it.

Brian Friend (13:12):

So men are women first. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (13:14):

Uh, yes. Uh, uh, show. Sorry, I thought, I thought we were done. Uh, let’s do the women.

Brian Friend (13:20):


Sevan Matossian (13:20):

Let’s do the women. Let’s do the women. Where’s Caleb today? Caleb should be doing this, Keeping the show on track.

John Young (13:32):

Oh, don’t post this one. You one where

Brian Friend (13:35):

Go do your own, uh, to the real seven on podcasts. Uh, Instagram.

Sevan Matossian (13:41):

Why? What’s wrong with this one?

Brian Friend (13:43):

It’s less informative than the o Uh, the next one we’re gonna see

Sevan Matossian (13:47):

You saved the good one for, uh, the Oh wow. Oh wow.

Brian Friend (13:51):

The blue one on the right.

Sevan Matossian (13:52):

Wow. Wow. Oh, did you know I had the CEO on?

Brian Friend (13:57):

Who are you asking?

Sevan Matossian (13:58):

Either of you. You, Brian, start,

Brian Friend (14:00):

You know I was on the episode after he got off. No,

Sevan Matossian (14:03):


Brian Friend (14:03):

We talked about it.

Sevan Matossian (14:04):

Oh, that’s awesome. Okay.

Brian Friend (14:06):

Yeah, it’s cool.

Sevan Matossian (14:07):

Okay. Oh my goodness. Look right at the top. Uh,

Brian Friend (14:12):

Is this the first time you’re seeing these?

Sevan Matossian (14:13):

Yeah. Is that Ariel Lowen commenting to John Young’s?

John Young (14:17):

It is.

Sevan Matossian (14:19):

Wow. Wow, wow,

John Young (14:21):

Wow. Made my day. I thought she was gonna follow me, but she didn’t. So,

Sevan Matossian (14:24):

Uhhuh <laugh>. Okay. Lemme just tell you some of the pipe hitters that are commenting, um, uh, uh, on this predictions. Ariel Lowen, Chase Ingram, Patrick Clark Su Tell she has the largest collection of, uh, CEO shirts in the world. Uh, the barbell spin. It’s good. This is a good posse. Great crew can, I’m gonna flip through these cards real quick. Oh, this is good. This is good. Wow. Okay. Can we start at the bottom? Yeah.

John Young (14:57):

Let’s, you want, let at

Sevan Matossian (14:58):

The bottom. Okay. Uh, I don’t even know who do I know who these bottom? Uh, I know, I know the name of Matilda Gars. I know Anna Greer. I don’t recognize these six in the, um, 18th through 20 spot. I don’t recognize their names. Anything you can say to me where like, Oh, that this person did this at the games, this person did this at a semifinal. Do any of these ladies have any like, notable accomplishments so far? You,

Brian Friend (15:23):

Uh, you probably would not know too much about Bailey Rogers or Andrea Soak. Um, and, but I did do, I, I put an article out yesterday for the women. I think the men’s will go out today that has, uh, you know, two to five sentences about each athlete along with a little bit of biographical information. So if you are someone who doesn’t know who those athletes are, uh, just see that was the idea where you could just key in on a little bit of what they’ve done and maybe one or two things that they might excel

Sevan Matossian (15:52):

At. Where is that, Where is that posted at? At Barbell Bend.

Brian Friend (15:54):

Barbell Bend. Did I say it wrong?

Sevan Matossian (15:56):

Barb Bend? No, no. You, you may have,

Brian Friend (15:58):

You may, I might have said

Sevan Matossian (15:59):

It wrong. You may have said it right too.

Brian Friend (16:01):

Um, it’s on Barb Bailey.

John Young (16:03):

Rogers is from Oceana. She was, she did the semifinal there. She, uh, got sixth, I believe

Brian Friend (16:09):

She’s been, she was six this year, seventh year before. Uh, and she had a pretty cool, uh, stat actually this year. She was placed between fifth and ninth in all of the workouts. So she didn’t really exhibit any excellence. But keep in mind who’s competing in that competition. You have, you know, you had Tia, Cara, Jamie, Maddie Stut, and Ellie Turner. Five athletes who we believe all have top 20 games potential if they were all able to compete there. And she’s placing fifth through ninth. So she’s regularly either in that mix if she’s taking fifth or just behind, and she’s not showing any weakness relative to the rest of the field.

John Young (16:45):

She’s consistently almost made it to the games and arguably the hardest women’s field to make it to the games.

Brian Friend (16:53):

The only, the thing she doesn’t have going for her is her age. You know, she’s over 30 already and she still hasn’t had this breakthrough

Sevan Matossian (17:01):

By the way. I just let, I want you to know, I just let Barb bend, um, send me notifications to my computer. Normally I would’ve clicked. Uh, no way. I just went to the website. Fuck off. But since you worked there, Brian, I collected of course.

Brian Friend (17:15):

What a good

Sevan Matossian (17:15):

Guy. Touch me inappropriately. JR Howell it all, It’s almost like they need more spots.

Brian Friend (17:23):

They needed more spots, but we’ll

Sevan Matossian (17:25):

See. You agree j you agree. JR the field is deep. There’s people who need to be there who didn’t go. Is that what you’re saying?

Brian Friend (17:31):

Uh, I’m gonna be somewhat arrogant here maybe and say anyone who’s thinking that is agreeing with me, I’ve been saying and writing about this for two years, at least in public platforms. But that might change. And this is the thing that like people have to recognize cuz a lot of people have been messaging following CrossFits announcement about the season. <laugh>, um, thank you Tyler. And, uh, you know, if Tia doesn’t compete and or doesn’t compete in Oceania, and if this, if car retires, which some people are speculating could happen. We haven’t heard anything from her. So we don’t know. And if Jamie also petitions to compete in Europe instead of Australia where she’s been living for a while, you know, and suddenly those an Ellie Turner who’s living in the United States doesn’t compete there. If those four women aren’t there, they do not need more than three spots at

John Young (18:22):

All. Did you say Tia as well? Tia petitions for us, Yeah. All of their people don’t live there except Carra.

Brian Friend (18:28):

Now if they’re all forced to compete there, then yeah. And they all are still competing then? Yes, definitely. The same things I’ve been saying for the last three years is that, look at their finishes at the games. I mean, between the ones who made it this year, Tia Carra and Ellie all finished inside the top 20 handily. Um, did very well. And they’re all in this field. And well, Tia’s not in this field, but she would be if she wanted to be. And we have these other women that are competing over there that are very good. And in the cases when they have had the chance to make the games of Jamie Simmons and Maddie search, they’ve also done well. But never have they been rewarded as a continent or, or a region or a semifinal, whatever you want to call it, for those high placing finishes at the games. Instead, they’ve been penalized. They used to have sp five spots and now it’s been reduced to three and their athletes are still regularly finishing in the top third of the games.

John Young (19:17):

Brian, do you know how hard or how strict they will be on that rule? Do you think they’ll be lenient or strict about it?

Brian Friend (19:25):

I mean, it’s one of the biggest, you know, uh, I wouldn’t say I’m

John Young (19:28):

Glad the rule is there.

Sevan Matossian (19:30):

What rule, what rule, what rule

John Young (19:32):

If you live.

Brian Friend (19:32):

But basically they have a, oh, and Jason CF Media did a video about this that outlines it pretty well. Several others including, um, Barbell Spin put out a, a, a tweet kind of, uh, drawing attention to the inconsistency with the rule there, or at least the perceived inconsistency. It says that you have to compete where you’re a citizen, but there also have come out and clarified that there is a petition process that will be made available to athletes and that they can submit a request to compete elsewhere before the season begins. And all those requests will be considered and responded to and known before the season starts, before the open starts

Sevan Matossian (20:09):

Will be allowed to compete wherever the fuck he wants. I

John Young (20:11):

Promise they specifically reference Roman. Yes. When talking about this.

Sevan Matossian (20:15):

They’re not gonna send anyone back to a, a country that’s a, a fucking war. You don’t, even if you’re from the Ukraine or Russia, you can compete in your mom’s backyard in the United States. It’s fine. Well,

Brian Friend (20:24):

We don’t, the the problem is we don’t know what the criteria is and we don’t have any real guarantee that we’ll, that it will be applied consistently. Um, because we don’t know what it is.

Sevan Matossian (20:33):

By the way, I don’t think you should unsubscribe to the morning Chalkup, cuz I, Andrew Weinstein is still submitting some amazing fiction over there. And you should, uh, you should go over there and read it. Amazing fiction classics. Instant classics. Uh, go back to to, to the question at hand. Um, do you think that there should be more people? I mean, you gotta cut it off somewhere.

John Young (20:58):

Well, it just, it depends. It depends on the rule. It depends how that is implemented. If

Sevan Matossian (21:03):

It’s No, I mean, at Rogue are you saying there should be more than 20 people at Rogue?

John Young (21:07):

Oh no. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (21:08):

Oh, okay. Then I misunderstood.

John Young (21:10):

Talk about spots for the games.

Brian Friend (21:12):

The one, the, I think a better question about the field at Rogue is do you like the field better when it was the top 20 from the games? Or do you like having five available spots through the qualifier? And we talked about this before, but if you look in the men’s field alone, John, who are the five qualifiers that made it through the online qualifier?

John Young (21:29):

Um, Chandler Jor, Chandler Smith, Jorge Fernandez, Scott Telo, Tim Paulson. And there is one

Sevan Matossian (21:39):

More, right? What about those guys? Those are the ones who made it through the qualifier.

Brian Friend (21:42):

Jack Farlow. Did you say that? Jack.

John Young (21:43):

Jack Farlow. Jack

Brian Friend (21:44):

Farlow. Yeah. So you got Farlow Paulson, Telo, Chandler Smith and Jorge Fernandez. If you’d invited spots 16 through 20 from the games, you would have Kowski, Willie, yours, Travis Mayer, Dell and Pepper and Spencer Panik. You’d tell me which five guys are stronger competitors.

Sevan Matossian (21:59):

Uh, okay, I I hear you. And I’d like to see all those guys compete, but how about Curse Studer at number 11? We would’ve never gotten Olivia Kerstetter if we didn’t have a, um,

Brian Friend (22:09):

Well, maybe, I mean, it it depends

Sevan Matossian (22:11):

And it’s pretty cool that she’s having her pro debut debut at Rogue. It’s pretty cool. Sorry Brian, go ahead.

Brian Friend (22:16):

But the women’s field ended up being a different situation because so many athletes declined. So Yes. And if there were no, you know, were no spots available, you wouldn’t get the special invite of Annie TH’s daughter for example. But of the, of the 16 through 20 women spots, they did extend an offer to Lucy Campbell. She was unable to make it. They invited Danny Spiegel. She is coming. They invited Matilda Garns through the qu qualifier cuz she was six, but she would’ve been 18 and got the invite. Anyway, so spots 16, 17, 18, 19. The women’s ended ended up getting an invite as well. Um, just by the way that things shook out. So, And last year they invited the top 20 from the games. That’s the only reason why I bring it up. I think 20 is a great number for an invitation like this. And you can see the pros and cons of having the qualifier versus inviting those, those, uh, 16 through 20 from the games. Um,

John Young (23:05):

Would you be opposed to, uh, the top 18 and then there’d just be two spots for the qualifier? Because if you take the top two, it would be Chandler and Jorge, correct?

Brian Friend (23:17):


Sevan Matossian (23:19):

Let’s not swerve too far into the men.

John Young (23:22):

Well, I mean this is, we’re just talking about qualifying. Who would be the top? Who would be the two women? Brian and the qualifier?

Brian Friend (23:28):

It would’ve been Manuel and Olivia Kirs.

John Young (23:31):

There you go. You see what I’m saying? Like, if it’s top 18, I feel like it’s the best of both worlds. I agree with you. I think it’s a better competition if it’s the top 20 you invite from the games and you just keep going down the list. But I mean,

Sevan Matossian (23:43):

I think you have to have a qualify. I like,

John Young (23:45):

I like that there’s an opportunity.

Brian Friend (23:47):

It didn’t last year, but I don’t think it’s a problem. I’m just, you know,

John Young (23:50):

I like that there’s an opportunity outside of what you place at the games to get there.

Brian Friend (23:57):

Sure. I mean, especially in the case of both Man Ango niece and, uh, Annika Greer who seasons ended for, you know, even in the case of Chandler Smith or a guy like Jorge Fernandez, Annie Thor dot, all of their seasons didn’t, they never led them to the opportunity to qualify through the games. Two of ’em competed on teams. One of them had an unfortunate medical something at semifinals and the other two screwed up the quarter finals submission windows. And yet they were all able to have this opportunity. So that’s the, you know, the reason why the qualifier is nice.

John Young (24:28):

So people who have just got here, I got a attacked by Fire ants. That’s why my eye looks like this.

Brian Friend (24:34):


Sevan Matossian (24:35):

I wish that was a joke. It is not. I

John Young (24:37):

I slept in a pile of fire

Sevan Matossian (24:39):

Ants. Yeah, he has pink eye after I sat on his face. That’s, I like that. It’s disgusting. Uh, why not invite Olivia? She is a rogue branding as it gets. You’re shooting yourself. No, no, no. But but you have to have some criteria for inviting plus Olivia’s going.

Brian Friend (24:55):


Sevan Matossian (24:56):

I don’t understand. I

John Young (24:57):

Don’t think there’s anything wrong with her proving that she’s fit enough to be there. Meaning there’s nothing wrong with that.

Sevan Matossian (25:02):

Okay. So when you look at number, uh, 15 through 20, you guys have the same people. You think that the same, uh, ship birds, uh, you guys agree on that? The bottom half?

Brian Friend (25:14):

I mean the women’s field is, uh, it’s, it’s

Sevan Matossian (25:18):

Compared to how is Man on Anies getting here? I don’t think she’s vaccinated. How is she getting here?

Brian Friend (25:24):

That’s outside of our area of expertise.

Sevan Matossian (25:26):

Okay, fair. Uh, oh, and even 50. So, so Anika Greer, uh, Andon, Manganese, Carolyn Prevo, Andrea Solberg, Matilda Gars, Bailey Rogers, you guys all have 15 through 20. Where it get starts to get weird is you have two really high profile games athletes at number 14. And John Young has Danny Spiegel at 13 going to basically what is the strong man version of the CrossFit Games? Is, has John lost his mind? John, did you see what she did to the sandbag?

John Young (25:58):

I saw that. And she’ll be really good in one event.

Sevan Matossian (26:01):

Wow. Do we know what the events are?

John Young (26:04):


Sevan Matossian (26:07):

Uh, Brian, uh, tell how, how bad he is putting Danny Spiegel and Emma McQuaid who both proved themselves to be strong as shit. Um, at the cross games,

Brian Friend (26:19):

I think are, You talk talking about Jackline Dahlstrom

Sevan Matossian (26:23):

Who, who?

Brian Friend (26:23):

The last, who standing in the sandbag Where? Danny and

Sevan Matossian (26:26):

Jack Drom. Oh, right, Sorry. Yes. Thank you her. Yes. Thank you.

Brian Friend (26:28):

Well, you see that I have Jack and Dahlstrom only one spot different from John Jacqueline was last place at Rogue Invitational last year, and she had a pretty poor overall performance. Her, her best event finish was 10th and she had three 18th and the 17th outta 20. So it wasn’t very good. But there’s a huge amount of women that were competing at Rogue last year. Tia Tomi, Hay Adams, Kristin Holta, Kerry Pierce O’Brien, all of those are in the top eight. They’re not in the field this year. Emma Carey, Chris amo, Karon, David Sutter, Emily, Ralph, Sam Briggs, all were in the bottom 10, but also not in the field this year. So the women’s field overall is not as strong as it was last year at Rogue. And therefore I think Jack will move up quite a few spots relative to some of the athletes who made it through the online qualifier.


Danny Spiegel, interesting case. Uh, Danny Spiegel where she only competed in Rogue one other time. It was in 2019, which was the first version. It was a live version. And you know, she’s had her some, her ups and downs since then. But she, in that competition specifically had ups and downs and it wasn’t what John was saying where she only had one good event finish. She had three top fives, but she also had a 20th and a 16th and then she had a couple in the middle. So she’s got a little bit of everything, but a little bit of everything is, um, better than not having those top five finishes. And I think that against this field, she will have the opportunity to have at least two top five finishes, which will keep her in contention for a top 10 spot.

John Young (27:56):

And I, and I don’t, I don’t disagree with that. I, I probably do have her a little bit low, but I know, uh, GE is so good because he’s athletic. It’s not just the strength events, it’s anything being athletic, Gee is gonna be in the top three at least I don’t see this. Who, gee who, Yeah. Mount Arrows. But I, and like, like he’s, I kind of, I’m saying that because he’s the strongest guy. Danny Spiegel is the strongest girl. I don’t see her in the same athletic realm as far as getting three finishes as a top three. She will have a couple events where she’s great. She’ll have one event where she wins easily and then the rest of the, the rest of the events, she’s going to be bottom tier and she, she is so reli or whatever the events are, they’re going to affect her the most because the events could stack up really good for her or they could stack up really bad for her. She’s so event reliant on where she places in Rogue and when the events come out, I can almost guarantee you where she’s gonna be on the list where regardless if it’s 13th or if it’s ninth when the events come out, you can basically tell where she’s going to be just by what the events are. Would you disagree, Brian?

Brian Friend (29:16):

No. I mean you, if you just look at her finishes from a more, much more relevant competition, which is this last year’s crosser games, obviously she had a first, she also had a second, seventh, eighth, fifth. She’s got this potential to be very good against the best woman in the world in several events. But she also had a 29th, 29th, 30th, 33rd, 22nd, you know, so she’s gonna have just as many good as bad. But I would say that you want the athlete that’s gonna have just as many good as bad over the athlete. That’s just having everything nine through 14.

Sevan Matossian (29:44):

Uh, gimme one second here. Let’s an, uh, uh, go through these really quick. Brian, do you think that Sevan thought he was, uh, in a job interview yesterday?

Brian Friend (29:52):

Maybe. I mean he put on his best, uh, or his worst, best or worst shirt? I’m not sure how to classify that. Uh, Alex.

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