#632 – Phillip Kelly

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

I didn’t play that much with it. No, I don’t think so either. But we got tagged for copyright. I just, I just erased it out of the video. Bam. We’re live. Yeah. Philip, What’s up dude?

Phillip Kelly (00:09):

Hey, what’s up guys?

Sevan Matossian (00:11):

Uh, Philip do not play any Nate Dog or Warren G in the background, please.

Phillip Kelly (00:15):

<laugh>. I was gonna try to wear my AirPods, but it’s not connecting. Right. But I can hear you just fine. So,

Sevan Matossian (00:20):

Oh, I, I can wait too. Do you want, do you wanna mess with it? It’s up to you.

Phillip Kelly (00:24):

Well, can you hear me Good?

Sevan Matossian (00:25):

I can hear you great.

Phillip Kelly (00:27):

Okay, then I’ll just leave it.

Sevan Matossian (00:29):

I, I was, um, what made me think of that Nate Dog and Warren G thing is I wanted to show that video that kind of shows your journey, but I wonder if I should just show it without the audio, even though the audio is so good. I wonder if we’ll get tagged for the audio.

Phillip Kelly (00:42):

Which, which one is it?

Sevan Matossian (00:44):

Um, Do you see it at the very, Do you see it at the very top up there, Caleb? It’s just pulling up right now. And the notes is just titled The Journey Guys. Hi everyone. Good morning. Um, Philip Kelly. Kelly came across my radar because I sit around here in my chair and my little three playing Brothers Empire being like, Show me someone healthy who’s died. Show me. Go ahead, I dare you. And someone’s like, Well, hey, this dude does CrossFit. And he was healthy and fuck man. He, he skirted the line pretty close. But

Phillip Kelly (01:17):

I didn’t die.

Sevan Matossian (01:17):

No, you didn’t. That’s true. Thank you. And thank you for not doing that and fucking up my story. Do you ever get annoyed? Uh, do you ever listen to the show?

Phillip Kelly (01:27):


Sevan Matossian (01:28):


Phillip Kelly (01:29):


Sevan Matossian (01:30):

Oh, so do you ever get annoyed when I say that you’re like, Hey asshole, I almost died.

Phillip Kelly (01:34):

No, And you and I have, we’ve talked before even. Okay. We’ve talked a few times. Um, just

Sevan Matossian (01:40):

On the phone we talked No, no, no,

Phillip Kelly (01:41):

No. Through

Sevan Matossian (01:42):

Dms. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Phillip Kelly (01:43):

Um, we can get into that at some point, but, uh, Okay. But

Sevan Matossian (01:48):

Yeah, did we fight in the dms or were we, were we nice to

Phillip Kelly (01:51):

Each? No, o one time. Well, I know how you are <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (01:55):

How dare you.

Phillip Kelly (01:57):

I know

Sevan Matossian (01:57):

No one understands me. I’m very complicated.

Phillip Kelly (02:01):

Yeah. I would say that. But, uh,

Sevan Matossian (02:03):

I’m not conflict. I’m

Phillip Kelly (02:05):

One time when, when you and I were talking about what happened to me, um, and you were asking what happened and, and I was talking about how I was, uh, isolating in my bedroom, trying to stay away from my wife and my kids. And I think you said something like, Why, why did you do that? Like, why does it matter? And I’m in my head I’m like, Well, cuz I felt like shit. And I didn’t want my kids to feel that way. Even with knowing what we knew about, kids aren’t really affected the same way as, uh, as older people are. Right. I still just thought I’ll just do the damn isolation thing, you know, and try to keep them from getting sick. Cuz I mean, I was pretty sick. It was like, felt like the worst flu you could ever have, you know? Um,

Sevan Matossian (02:48):

I don’t wanna name any names. I would hate to throw my wife under the bus, but I will tell you this, that when my wife got co my wife knew, knows everything about Covid that I know. And when she got Covid all the, I could tell that the prop for the first couple days, the, like when she tested positive, the propaganda still got to her. Even though she knew that she was totally fine. And that like, but until you get it, like you could talk all the shit you want. Like from on a podcast. Yeah. Or like, me and her could be like, this is silly and we just go everywhere and didn’t care. But when she got it, you could tell that the media had still fucked with her. Like she got scared. She added doubt. Yeah. I mean, she didn’t say it to me, but I could tell I was like, Oh fuck, she’s scared.

Phillip Kelly (03:30):

Yeah. My wife, she’s

Sevan Matossian (03:32):

Like, like

Phillip Kelly (03:32):

My wife still gets that way. If any one of us has like a cough, um,

Sevan Matossian (03:37):

Well you kind of got a different situation. You really fucking took, I know she’s got one. You took your family through the ringer. True,

Phillip Kelly (03:44):

True. It’s not my fault.

Sevan Matossian (03:48):

It’s not my fault. Whose fault is it?

Phillip Kelly (03:53):

Uh, should I say?

Sevan Matossian (03:54):

Sure. <laugh>. Sure.

Phillip Kelly (03:57):

Who’s who’s, Uh, okay. See you later.

Sevan Matossian (04:01):

Let me too. Hi. Bye honey. Taking

Phillip Kelly (04:03):

Sequin or? Yeah. Yeah. Good.

Sevan Matossian (04:06):

Uh, pick up a couple pounds of hamburger, uh, meat for tonight for the ufc.

Phillip Kelly (04:09):

She’s going to the, she’s going to the gym right now cause they’re doing an in-house competition and she’s volunteering to help.

Sevan Matossian (04:13):

So lots of germs in the gym. Tell her to be careful.

Phillip Kelly (04:17):

So what, uh, the, anyways, what we were saying, um, Yeah, about the, the,

Sevan Matossian (04:23):

Uh, Yeah, whose fault is it? Who do you think it is? Like when you say fault, like China, Dr. Fauci, whose

Phillip Kelly (04:28):

Fault is it that I was able, that I was allowed to get as sick as I did?

Sevan Matossian (04:32):


Phillip Kelly (04:33):

Fauci. Yeah. Fauci is protocol or lack of protocol,

Sevan Matossian (04:38):

Man, there, it’s just bizarre. I, as I dug through your Instagram, I, and you know, correct me if I’m wrong, but I guess the real issue, and you sum it up, I can hear it in your voice and there’s a little bit of an angle to it everywhere is, is that, um, the lack of transparency has made, Do you remember back in the day when marijuana was illegal and the whole thing was, is like, Hey, it’s illegal so no one can study it. Like, at least let people study it. C’S like that too. It’s like just, there’s just, there’s just not information on it cuz there’s no transparency and that the information there is about, it’s just, there’s so much lying.

Phillip Kelly (05:15):

Well, it seems like the information and the, the data and research that actual doctors who are willing to be a doctor and treat their patients, that just gets silenced and you get represented, you get posted and tagged as spreading misinformation as you know, personally.

Sevan Matossian (05:34):

Yeah. Yeah. Um,

Phillip Kelly (05:36):


Sevan Matossian (05:38):

Did you see what happened in California recently? What Gavin Newsome signed

Phillip Kelly (05:43):

Which thing?

Sevan Matossian (05:44):

You’re not allowed to, You can’t get second opinions. So if you’re a doctor, Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. And you step out of line of the state mandated protocol for what to do with Covid, you can lose your license. Mm-hmm.

Phillip Kelly (05:54):

<affirmative>. So

Sevan Matossian (05:55):

That’s bizarre. Who knows? I can’t believe that’s real. I cannot believe that’s real. And then you see the way the New York time couches it too, that they’re protecting us by not allowing us to get a second opinion. It’s so bizarre.

Phillip Kelly (06:08):

How will they, I don’t, for what good doctors there might still be here in California. What is to prevent them from saying, you know what, I’m gonna go to another state where I can actually be a doctor.

Sevan Matossian (06:20):


Phillip Kelly (06:22):

Hmm. Yeah. I saw it after much last week. Me going to the doctor and having a bad experience there. So it was like the timing was impeccable.

Sevan Matossian (06:30):

Oh, the follow up? Yeah. Okay, let’s go back, um, ahead. Okay.

Phillip Kelly (06:35):

That video,

Sevan Matossian (06:36):


Phillip Kelly (06:37):

It does have a, it does have background music on there. Um, it’s by a Christian artist. So I, I don’t know if you can play and just say we don’t own the rise to the music type of thing. I don’t know how the, you know, guidelines work.

Sevan Matossian (06:50):


Phillip Kelly (06:50):

Let me use it, but I have it where I selected it from the music that’s available.

Sevan Matossian (06:55):

Yeah, it’s different on YouTube. Um, but can you play that without, uh, any, um, music? Thanks. So this is your journey from rock bottom in the hospital with Covid?

Phillip Kelly (07:09):

I would say probably even not rock bottom because for the first 30 days nobody could come in to see me. Wow. So that footage is after then.

Sevan Matossian (07:18):

Did you see the interview I did with that guy Paul, who was also in the hospital? Did that resonate with you? Some of that, some of that shit he was saying. Yeah.

Phillip Kelly (07:26):

I wish I had gone back and taken some notes on it. Um, but I, I did watch it. I think I even saved it too, so I could watch it again. But I remember watching it thinking like, thank God somebody is, uh, talking to people like him and I, um, because I think we weren’t supposed to make it, but we did. And, uh, there’s not a whole bunch of us like us. So I’m, I’m glad that you’re willing to, uh, talk to us.

Sevan Matossian (07:56):

We weren’t supposed to make it. I don’t, I

Phillip Kelly (07:59):

Mean, we defied the odds, I would say. Right? I mean, I don’t know what the numbers are on people that end up on vents and then come off of them.

Sevan Matossian (08:07):

And you got, and you got rem vir too, right?

Phillip Kelly (08:10):

Yes. I believe I was given that for like four or five days.

Sevan Matossian (08:15):

I, I spoke to a doctor yesterday and told him that I was having you on and that you almost died and that I’m, you know, being with my own biases, of course, Right? Everyone knows my biases. I wanna be like, well maybe the treatment fucked him up. Well, the first thing the doctor said to me, I said, Yeah, that he said, Did he get rimes severe? And I said, Yeah. And he goes, Oh man. Yeah. So it’s kind of interesting that even a doctor, that was his first, Okay, let’s go back a little bit. So you are, you, you live in Vacaville, California? That’s about a hundred miles north of me. You’re basically between me and Lake Tahoe? Yeah. Ah, that’s not, I guess that’s fair enough. That’s

Phillip Kelly (08:53):

A good,

Sevan Matossian (08:54):

Uh, good. And you’re northeast of San Francisco by 40, 50 miles?

Phillip Kelly (09:00):

Yeah, I would say. Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (09:05):

And, uh, and, and, and, and how old are you?

Phillip Kelly (09:10):

I’m 39 now.

Sevan Matossian (09:12):

So basically, if you would’ve been, How

Phillip Kelly (09:14):

Do I look?

Sevan Matossian (09:15):

Yeah. I 39, 34. 34, 34.

Phillip Kelly (09:19):


Sevan Matossian (09:20):

If, if I, I don’t even know anymore. The other, I I mean I, I was on this whole kick because a couple people were telling me I look old, but there’s two things. One, I don’t look old, but two, I, I wanna look 50. I’m 50. I should look 50. I’m happy to look 50. I want people to see me and be like, Man, he can get away with murder. He’s 50.

Phillip Kelly (09:40):

You said, you said you don’t look old.

Sevan Matossian (09:42):

No, I don’t look

Phillip Kelly (09:43):

Old. Didn’t your mom tell you Dave wouldn’t lie?

Sevan Matossian (09:45):

Yeah, but sh they’re fucking stupid <laugh>. Okay. Um, if I looked old, I, I mean, I don’t have bags under my eyes and shit. I’m not all wrinkly. You think I look old too?

Phillip Kelly (09:57):

I don’t care if you do look gold. I’m sure you could

Sevan Matossian (09:59):

Probably, Oh shit. He skirted the

Phillip Kelly (10:01):

Question. I’ll work out some other people your age. Probably a lot of

Sevan Matossian (10:03):

People. He escorted all the dudes in Starbucks. I can, That’s my metric. Um, uh, no. Here, this, Yeah. I maybe that’s why I can’t sees. I I have a 50 year old body with a 12 year old mine. That’s that’s fair. Um, so, so if you would’ve been 50, they, they would’ve let you go and die. Right. That’s one of the things that Paul was telling me, the guy on the show, that basically once you’re over 50, some of the protocols that they do to save people under 50, they don’t do and they just let you die.

Phillip Kelly (10:35):

Uh, it’s very possible. I might, that would, I would guess I haven’t done a whole lot of research into the age, like demographics and what the treatment is for those people. I think from what I’ve learned, a lot of this in the time, even when I was sick, um, last year, they’re, they’re treating symptoms and it’s just a sit and wait game. Right. And, uh, I mean, you know what I mean, Intubated on a ventilator. Most people don’t end up coming back from that. Meanwhile, your family can’t come and see you. You’re just there. And, uh, I don’t know if they, I I, I know that there are some things, actually, there was just an article and on crossfit.com just last week about a guy who was sick and, um, uh, because of his age, I think he was 50 because of his age, they said typically we won’t put them, they were gonna put him on an ECMO and which is like the ultimate life support. And they said typically we don’t do this for people his age or older, but because of the shape he’s in, because he does CrossFit because of the shape he’s in, we’re gonna do it. Right. So they did and they ended up surviving. Right.

Sevan Matossian (11:54):

Uh, do Don Simon, I have a friend who was also almost killed by Rim Vir. I mean, we, we had a guest on the show who claimed that his mom was killed by Rim Vir. That wasn’t even the point of the show. But we had Alex Stein on here and he said, No matter what, do not give my mom rim vir. They gave it to her and he said he claims it killed her.

Phillip Kelly (12:12):


Sevan Matossian (12:15):

Uh, is, is this, is this what the guy was put on? Extra Corporal membrane oxygenation, also known as Go ahead. Ecmo. Okay. That’s, is this pretty serious when you’re put on this Caleb?

Caleb Beaver (12:31):

Yeah, I would say so.

Sevan Matossian (12:33):

You don’t wanna be, you don’t

Caleb Beaver (12:35):

Probably aren’t gonna come back from that

Sevan Matossian (12:38):

Cardiac and respiratory support for persons whose heart and lungs are unable to provide an adequate amount of gas exchange. Yikes. Okay. So you, so um, how, how did you find CrossFit and what year did you find CrossFit?

Phillip Kelly (12:52):

Um, I, I had known about CrossFit for some years because my wife had a friend from high school who did it. And I remember seeing a video of her, and this was probably oh 8, 0 9 maybe. Oh

Sevan Matossian (13:08):

Shit. Okay.

Phillip Kelly (13:09):

And I remember seeing a video of of her, and she’s doing a workout and it was just her and this other guy, I can’t remember the workout, but it, I think it, shit, maybe they’re doing Cindy, I don’t know. But they’re doing Pullups pushups and, uh, and she ends up beating the guy. And I was like, Damn. Like, you know, So I had known about it and then I would say a few years later, so in 2012, I saw a replay of the CrossFit games on ESPN and I was like, All right, I want to try that. I was like, I wanna look like that. And so I called around to a couple gyms and

Sevan Matossian (13:47):

The specifically Rich phoning, specifically Rich Phoning

Phillip Kelly (13:51):

<laugh>, uh, I don’t know. I mean, Josh Bridges Dan Bailey.

Sevan Matossian (13:56):

Okay, fair

Phillip Kelly (13:57):

Enough. Specifically, but I mean all those guys, you know.

Sevan Matossian (13:58):

Okay, fair enough.

Phillip Kelly (14:00):

Yeah. So, uh, anyhow, I saw that and I remember thinking like, okay, cuz I, I, I just was going to a global gym at the time and doing shit in my garage freaking, uh, like P 90 X and stuff. And so I called around a gyms. The first one that called me back was a whole, a whole city over at the outskirts of town. And they were about to start like a beginner’s like OnRamp course. And I said, Okay, I’ll sign up for that. I did that and I mean, I was, I remember taking those classes and I would look over at the, the members taking their regular class. And I just remember thinking, I can’t wait to be in those regular classes. Mm. And, uh, tried going back to Mylo gym on a Sunday because, you know, CrossFit gyms are closed on Sundays typically. And I went in there and I was just, I just re I, and that day I remember thinking, Okay, I’m turning off this membership and I’m just gonna go with the CrossFit thing and I’ll, I’ll never stop when people ask me, Do you think you’ll do that forever? And I look at them and I’m like, Why wouldn’t I, why would I stop?

Sevan Matossian (15:06):

Yeah. Yeah. And that was, if that was 2012, that’s 10 years ago. So you were 25. Wait, how old did you say you were? You, you’re 30, 39 now. 39. Oh, 39. So you were 29. Yeah,

Phillip Kelly (15:18):

29. My wife was pregnant with our son.

Sevan Matossian (15:22):

Was she like, Hey dude, you wasted our money. We need to save our money.

Phillip Kelly (15:26):

Mm-hmm. No, she was, uh, she, at first I don’t think she was happy with all of the new friends that I’d made, which I think is common when you have, I have a couple and one person does CrossFit and the other one doesn’t. I don’t know if you’ve ever ever experienced that, but that can be

Sevan Matossian (15:42):

A thing. My wife just told me it was dangerous to shit and sh and I was gonna hurt myself.

Phillip Kelly (15:47):

Hmm. Well so what

Sevan Matossian (15:49):

And that all, and that all those people there were gonna hurt themselves and that they would be doing, um, rehabilitate rehabilitative yoga within 10 years. I think she was right for 50% of them. <laugh>. Yeah, probably. But that’s

Phillip Kelly (16:02):

Why, like, so what, I’m still gonna

Sevan Matossian (16:03):

Do all this shit. I know. Oh, of course. The, the, and, and that’s the thing too. The as especially as you get older, you start scaling it and being smarter, but the choice on the other end to just sit on the couch and turn into a pile of shit is the trait. I mean, you have to take your own risks.

Phillip Kelly (16:19):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Sevan Matossian (16:20):

Okay, so, so you’re doing CrossFit and, and you go in there thinking it’s gonna be this mo this uh, physical activity. But at some point you must be like, Oh, they have a, they have a kind of a nutrition plan too that’s at their foundation. Right? You’re at CrossFit level too, right? Yeah. Yeah. That’s crazy. Okay, so let’s go from there. When do you take your L one? How long are you there before you guys?

Phillip Kelly (16:40):

I think a couple years after maybe 2014. Let me see. I, I’d have to I think 2014 maybe.

Sevan Matossian (16:47):

And, and why do you do that? Cuz you have aspirations to be a trainer or you just wanna learn more? No,

Phillip Kelly (16:51):

No, because I’m a, I’ll call myself a CrossFit nerd and I, I, dude, I’ve watched so many just videos on, uh, like from CrossFit’s YouTube page, um, the journal. Is the journal even still active? I wish it was because I mean, I know you can go on there and pull up old stuff, but is there new stuff in there really? Um, it is,

Sevan Matossian (17:12):

It is going, I think Dave recently did a video where he said it’s gonna be back and it’s gonna take like a year or a year and a half. Okay. I, I have such strong opinions on the, on what they’ve done with the journal. It’s linked, it’s linked directly with the downfall of CrossFit. I mean like if you don’t bring that up, they’re toast. Yeah. Yeah.

Phillip Kelly (17:30):

I just remember, I remember realizing, wait a minute, I’ve been paying for the journal for over a year now and I haven’t seen anything new put on there all this time. Um, anyhow, uh, yeah, I just nerd out on it. Um, Wait,

Sevan Matossian (17:44):

Wait, wait, wait, wait a second. You said you still pay for the journal? No,

Phillip Kelly (17:47):

No, no, no, no,

Sevan Matossian (17:48):

No. Oh, back in the day a while there was a, Oh yeah, there

Phillip Kelly (17:50):

Was a time period where I realized, wait, I’ve been paying for this. And

Sevan Matossian (17:55):

They, I don’t even know why Greg really turned it off. I think, I think he thought it was diluting the core message because there was so much content in there and there was sitting there that he wasn’t proud of. And so basically around 2018, he turned it off and he was gonna cut a deal with beyond the whiteboard to just kind of bring the pieces from the old days up forward. I personally didn’t agree with that at all. There’s 10,000 pieces of amazing content in there and if there’s sitting there that’s not, doesn’t, isn’t up to snuff. It’s okay.

Phillip Kelly (18:23):

Isn’t it crazy to think how many trainers are out there? Probably that haven’t ever even looked at anything in the journal.

Sevan Matossian (18:29):

It’s a fucking unbelievable if that’s true. Unreal. I

Phillip Kelly (18:32):

Bet you

Sevan Matossian (18:33):

Unreal. We had, we had so many subscribers to that and 95% of the stuff was free already. So the fact that people were paying it was, it was another piece of kind of this model that Greg had of the brand loyalty payment. Like, Hey, do you wanna support this? Go ahead and support it. If you don’t, don’t we still give 95% of the way and 95% of the stuff in their way for free. It was killer.

Phillip Kelly (18:55):

Yeah. One of the, one of the things that I’ve always enjoyed is taking classes from different coaches. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And even when I first, once I finished that beginner’s program and I went into the regular classes, I remember like making a mental note and saying, Okay, I’m gonna take a, So typically I was a five Amer and they had a,

Sevan Matossian (19:15):

That’s hard core.

Phillip Kelly (19:16):

They had a rotation of, of, uh, coaches for 5:00 AM but there’s other trainers that would come in in the afternoons and do those classes. So if I saw that there was gonna be a coach on the schedule that I had not taken a class from, but they were gonna be in the afternoon, I would go in the afternoon instead. Because as you guys know, different coaches give different cues, different things, you know, ring with people differently. So, um, I always tell even the other coaches this now you can learn a lot of good stuff from other coaches and you can learn bad stuff too. And I think I’ve probably learned probably more bad than good. So I’ve learned a lot from taking classes from trainers that could do things better. And I’m not, I’m not trying to like pipe myself up as this amazing coach. I’m just saying it’s a good idea to learn from other people and also take classes from other coaches instead of just training on your own.

Sevan Matossian (20:10):

Give me, gimme something that like you learned that was bad. Like, just so I can like understand what you mean by that.

Phillip Kelly (20:17):

Oh, easy things. Uh, project your voice so the whole class can

Sevan Matossian (20:22):

Hear you. Oh, okay. Okay. That I

Phillip Kelly (20:24):

See what you’re saying. If I’m in a class and I can’t even hear the coach, Right. Can’t hear the coach, The members obviously aren’t paying attention then. So that right there is already, it, it distracts me if I’m in the class cuz I’m trying to focus on what they’re trying to say. That’s like an easy one. But it’s common.

Sevan Matossian (20:40):

My wife takes this Pilates class in, in, uh, one day a week. It’s a hot Pilates class. And every, every, every, all the people I know who take the class want. Oh, there’s only one person I know who took the class and never went back. All my wife’s friends, my friends who take the class, like they, it’s like the most popular thing that everyone’s talking about in Santa Cruz, this one Pilates class. But when I fucking hear about it, they, their descriptions are always the music’s too loud and you can’t hear a word the teacher says,

Phillip Kelly (21:08):

Did you tell her? Are you sure you’re not doing CrossFit?

Sevan Matossian (21:12):

Well, she does a lot of CrossFit too, but it drives me fucking nuts. I can’t stand, That’s why I hated bars. I hate clubs and bars. I hate going anywhere where I can’t fucking like talk to someone and, and if I can’t hear the in instructor, but people love it for some reason, even though they all say the same thing. The 10 of my friends who go there, Oh yeah, you can’t hear what she says. You have to look around and see what other people are doing to know what PO posed to be in. And uh, and the music’s too loud. I would fucking lose my mind.

Phillip Kelly (21:39):

I I I usually turn down the music just, just enough. I don’t need it dead silent in there. But, uh, uh, yeah, I’ll, I’ll turn it down so they can hear me.

Sevan Matossian (21:50):

So after two years you take the L one. So then at that point, you know, that diet’s the foundation of the, of

Phillip Kelly (21:58):

The period. I already knew that because of course at the time the gym, uh, was doing into doing like challenges, nutrition challenges, paleo challenges, stuff like that. So I actually ended up dropping a lot of weight by doing their paleo challenge. And then I did that for like a while, even after the challenge, then realized that I wasn’t eating enough food, I wasn’t having enough carbs in my diet. Um, and so, you know, you’d go through that journey as you are, you know, I think probably a lot of people do when they’re doing CrossFit. And uh, with as much as I was training too, I’d still go at 5:00 AM and then at that point I would go back in the evenings to do their weightlifting class. Cuz I remember taking a class and there was snatches in the Metcon and I had never done a snatch before.


Not even in the beginners class, the, their little OnRamp program. We didn’t go over snatching and, uh, in the workout. I’m like, Wait, how do I do this? I’ve never even been shown. And so the coach came over and one of the owners came over and he said, We have a barbell class waiting class, you should come by and check it out. And I was like, I’ll fucking be there because I wanna know how to do this. So I’m not standing here looking at everybody else feeling like an idiot, you know? And, uh, so then I got hooked of course on the weightlifting side of it. Um, and now it’s like I, I get CrossFit, a, d d not so much now because I’m not able to do as much, uh, but for a long time I would get it. I’d be, oh, I wanna just do weightlifting, focus on that. And then, oh, okay, I want to get back and focus on like my Fran time and, and stuff like that.

Sevan Matossian (23:35):

Um, just going back for a second, uh, donin as, as subsequent studies revealed 97.2% mortality rate among those over 65 who were put on mechanical ventilators in accordance with the initial guidance from the W H O. But look how, how much this number drops. Uh, under 65 20, only 26% of the people die. 27% of the people, um, Oh wow, okay. Over 65 who weren’t put on mechanical ventilators. I know that that, that that’s not, basically she’s saying if you just looked at these numbers, you would not wanna be put on a ventilator. But I know that there’s some, I know that this isn’t like science. We’re looking at that. There’s a lot of that factors that we don’t know. Like why weren’t they? Well probably cuz they weren’t as sick, so that’s why probably why they didn’t die. So I don’t wanna blame the ventilator. Yeah. But I, but I still appreciate the numbers, Donna. Like I, I hear you. I I wanna lean your way. I hear what you’re saying and, and, and there’s probably some truth there. Uh, so, so when you take the L one, did you have a day job at? What was your job then? Your vocation? What did you do?

Phillip Kelly (24:38):

Um, it’s like a desk job. I worked for a title and escrow company.

Sevan Matossian (24:42):

God, I was hoping you worked like in a spray paint company or something. I’m just looking for anything. I wanna be like, Aha, your lungs were so, Oh,

Phillip Kelly (24:50):

Like why I got so sick?

Sevan Matossian (24:51):

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So

Phillip Kelly (24:53):

Prior to doing CrossFit for about maybe nine or 10 years, I would smoke socially. So it, on the weekends, if I was having a couple drinks, I would have a couple cigarettes too.

Sevan Matossian (25:03):

Yeah. I smoked for, but I

Phillip Kelly (25:06):

Wasn’t like

Sevan Matossian (25:06):

The years.

Phillip Kelly (25:06):

Yeah. I didn’t like need to take breaks at work and just like, you know, puffing away or anything.

Sevan Matossian (25:12):

But you weren’t leaving the CrossFit gym and going in your car and smoking three cigarettes on your way home from

Phillip Kelly (25:16):

The No, when my wife got pregnant with our son, I quit and I was like, I’m done. I’m not gonna do it anymore. And then when I started doing CrossFit, I was like, I definitely can’t be smoking. Like, there’s no way. There’s no way

Sevan Matossian (25:29):

You ever diagnosed with anything as a kid. Did you ever have any health issues before this?

Phillip Kelly (25:33):

No. No, No asthma, nothing.

Sevan Matossian (25:36):

No. You weren’t type two diabetic.

Phillip Kelly (25:38):


Sevan Matossian (25:41):

You didn’t. You, you weren’t into poppers and Oxycontin. You don’t have aids?

Phillip Kelly (25:48):


Sevan Matossian (25:50):

Just trying, just, just wanna make sure. Just need to look, look under, Yeah, just digging around a little bit.

Phillip Kelly (25:56):

You know, when I think back on it, I was just talking to a buddy of mine. Um, when I think back on it, I would say, I know at that time as far as work goes, I was, I was working a lot at the time and, uh, so maybe stress, maybe, maybe I was under a lot of stress between that and just everyday life. Um, I don’t know. I think at that time I had taken a break from coaching because of my schedule. It was so busy. I was working so much, um, waking up early, logging onto work cuz I was working from home cuz everything, you know, had shut down or was still somewhat. And, uh, I’d work all day, go coach at some point, try to figure out time for me to work out, come back home late at night and then log back on and work some more and then wake up early to do it again. Uh, so,

Sevan Matossian (26:55):

You know, isn’t it amazing that Paul I had on like, he was smoking like three vape cartridges a day. He was six months sober from like, doing everything you could with meth and heroin and cigarettes and

Phillip Kelly (27:06):


Sevan Matossian (27:07):

Yeah, he got, he you got pop you they put a hole in you here, right?

Phillip Kelly (27:12):

Yeah. You, you barely can tell like you see right here.

Sevan Matossian (27:15):


Phillip Kelly (27:16):

Some, some people’s, it’s

Sevan Matossian (27:19):

Obvious they put a hole in him down here also. Did they do that too? I think like the vacuum out is No,

Phillip Kelly (27:25):

No. Um, I had a, I had a pick line. Um, I’m trying to get where you can see it. See right here?

Sevan Matossian (27:33):


Phillip Kelly (27:34):

Wait right there. That’s where my pick line was. Are you familiar with that?

Sevan Matossian (27:41):

Yeah, my wife, my wife, uh, had an infection and they couldn’t figure out what it was, so she had to have antibiotic pumped into her for like five weeks. She had to pick line in the bag on her. Just kidding. Yeah. Thank you.

Phillip Kelly (27:52):

It’s so small.

Sevan Matossian (27:54):

Me too. Okay, so, so on, on August, don’t tell me. Okay, on August 17th, uh, 2021, you woke up in the hospital,

Phillip Kelly (28:08):

The 17th?

Sevan Matossian (28:09):


Phillip Kelly (28:11):


Sevan Matossian (28:11):

Oh, so much for that research. What day? August Of what? Of 2021.

Phillip Kelly (28:18):

I didn’t wake up until it was September.

Sevan Matossian (28:22):

Shit, my shit’s all fucked up.

Phillip Kelly (28:24):

It’s okay. I tested positive on August 5th. Okay. And went into

Sevan Matossian (28:30):

August 5th, 2021. Yeah. So, okay, so let’s go back a little bit. Let’s go back two weeks before then. What’s the first time, What’s the first time you started feeling sick?

Phillip Kelly (28:39):

Shit, I was just looking at a calendar earlier. Probably around the

Sevan Matossian (28:42):

1st of August. Yeah. And what did that look like when you felt sick?

Phillip Kelly (28:48):


Sevan Matossian (28:49):

Was it unique fever or was it just another cold fever?

Phillip Kelly (28:52):

Fever, headache. Uh, typical things you feel when you have a fever. Uh, some chills. Pretty crappy. You know, just a fever alone will make you feel like, ah, I

Sevan Matossian (29:06):

Don’t really, but anything, anything unique about it or like, Hey, I’m just, this is like, just, I, I’ve been here before.

Phillip Kelly (29:11):

My wife had been sick. She, she was at the tail end, I would guess.

Sevan Matossian (29:18):

Had she been tested? Did she have covid?

Phillip Kelly (29:21):

She had not tested. We

Sevan Matossian (29:24):

That’s a good time.

Phillip Kelly (29:24):

Good time. We were, oh, it’s probably Covid, right? And, and all along, her and I were always like, we’re healthy when we get it because I, when this all started, I remember telling my office, Just give it to me now so I can get it over with. And, uh, so anyhow, when she was sick, um, she didn’t test, but I mean, in the back of my mind I was like, It’s probably Covid. And then when I started to feel like, so she was isolating in our room. Um, so then when I started to feel like crap, I said, Okay, I, I remember 10.

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