#629 – Tommy G

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Never can get enough of this. Bam. Or life never can get enough of this clip. Ever, ever, ever. Why

Speaker 2 (00:06):

Would that keep hitting up the bark? Still? People ain’t like this whole motherfucker, so ain’t gonna stash us all over it. True that. So why?

Speaker 3 (00:17):

Because, because because indeed.

Sevan Matossian (00:25):

You know why I sent that? Tommy,

Tommy G (00:26):

Why’d you send that man?

Sevan Matossian (00:28):

Because I said you want an email and you said indeed.

Tommy G (00:32):

Yes, sir.

Sevan Matossian (00:33):

Like a good hood rat. Holy shit. <laugh>. I can’t believe how good it is to meet you, dude.

Tommy G (00:40):

I appreciate you guys having me on.

Sevan Matossian (00:42):

You are. So, um, how old are you, if you don’t mind me asking?

Tommy G (00:47):

I, I turned 29 today.

Sevan Matossian (00:48):

Happy birthday. Thank

Tommy G (00:50):

You. Happy birthday. Yeah, thank

Sevan Matossian (00:52):

You. Uh, you’re in Milwaukee.

Tommy G (00:53):

Yes, sir.

Sevan Matossian (00:55):

Man, ev everything, you do everything right.

Tommy G (01:01):

Really. I appreciate that.

Sevan Matossian (01:03):

You, you do everything right. You do everything right.

Tommy G (01:07):


Sevan Matossian (01:08):

Feel like, or leave better. That you leave everything better. Um, uh, you go to a strip club club and the people are better for you. Leave the place better than when you got there. I, I don’t know how most people probably don’t do that. You know what I mean? Like, they leave, like, they say something offensive, they throw up in the bathroom, They hum in their pants. I don’t know what they do, but you leave there like, and I think all the people who cross paths with you are like, Yeah, my life’s better for Neat. And Tommy uh, Tommy G.

Tommy G (01:37):

It’s crazy. I certainly appreciate that. My mission is definitely to make people smile, make people think, make people laugh. And, uh, that one and only, that’s my first and only visit to a strip club. And I had a, a great time while it lasted. And, uh, but, so yeah. Is that the video that you found me about?

Sevan Matossian (01:54):

No, it was the Kia Boy video. Okay.

Tommy G (01:58):


Sevan Matossian (01:58):

Yeah. And, and, and I’m not a, um, I’m probably very similar to you. Everything I do, everything I do is to move the podcast forward. So I never just scroll on my Instagram unless I’m looking for guests. I never, I’m never like if I’m, I’m never doing anything unless it’s basically somehow involved with finding more guests. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, however, it, I don’t even, and that’s not even in my, um, algorithm, that kind of stuff, right? Like, I don’t know who any of the, um, I don’t the the, the YouTube sensations and like, and like kind of what would you call yourself? Are you, are you a journalist? Are you a documentary filmmaker? What, what do you, what Are you an entrepreneur artist? What the fuck are you? How do I pigeonhole you? Sure.

Tommy G (02:41):

I would say, uh, I’m a on the street, uh, journalists documentarian that gets some of the wildest stuff on YouTube. And I’m also an entrepreneur between the YouTube channel and real estate. I keep myself busy and I come from the corporate world for the last five and a half years. And I hated it and knew that I always felt there was something else calling me. And finally, after four years on YouTube, I initially did prank videos and I was, you know, I had some fun doing it. But once I made the, the jump to documentaries, things have just been absolutely, um, exponential with growth. And I found my path and my calling. And so I, I travel about once a month to go shoot 3, 4, 5 videos at a time. And then I’m back in Milwaukee doing real estate and jujitsu and, and coaching, wrestling and, and things like that.

Sevan Matossian (03:28):

You sell real estate?

Tommy G (03:30):

I buy real estate. I’ll sell it if you give me the right price.

Sevan Matossian (03:33):

<laugh>. Right, right, right, right, right. I wanna buy something in Milwaukee. Can you help me buy something in Milwaukee?

Tommy G (03:38):

100%. And I can manage it for you.

Sevan Matossian (03:41):

God, I love you already. Look at that.

Tommy G (03:44):

So we’ll, we’ll get you a place that’s likely in the trenches. Yes. But we’ll make it very nice on the inside and we’ll find, uh, good people to rent from and you’ll make a good return.

Sevan Matossian (03:56):

Um, can, can we look at, um, Tommy’s YouTube page? Tommy, are you born in Milwaukee?

Tommy G (04:00):

No, I was born in Chris Lake, Illinois, which about as white bread, middle class as you can get. And wrestling in college took me over the border to Wisconsin. A job took me to Milwaukee and this is where I’ve made my, made my base.

Sevan Matossian (04:15):

Uh, born in Illinois College. Took you to Wisconsin. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Do you have, do you have, um, do you have siblings?

Tommy G (04:21):

I’m a triplet. I’m the youngest and the dumbest of the three

Sevan Matossian (04:28):

<laugh>. Um, Are you, are you, are you, the which, which, uh, oh, I guess you guys, did you guys come out vaginally or C-section?

Tommy G (04:36):

C-section? I was eight weeks premature.

Sevan Matossian (04:39):

I, I wonder, um, if you would’ve come out vaginally, which one you would’ve been? Um, are, are you the lightest

Tommy G (04:45):

I was baby A, but in the C-section I came out last and yes, I was three pounds, I think 14 ounces when I came out.

Sevan Matossian (04:56):

Um, uh, Tommy, that’s Matt Suza, the executive producer of, uh, the show. Good.

Tommy G (05:02):

Again. Hey there.

Sevan Matossian (05:02):

Owner of CrossFit Livermore. Are, are you CrossFitter?

Tommy G (05:06):


Sevan Matossian (05:06):

No. You, you.

Tommy G (05:08):

Jujitsu wrestling. Hill runs pushups. Pullups. I respect CrossFitters. That’s some badass workouts you guys have.

Sevan Matossian (05:16):

Yeah. You’re fucking good, dude. You respect. Yeah, he’s one clean, he’s one clean and jerk away from being a CrossFitter though. Yeah. Yeah. <laugh>.

Tommy G (05:24):

I love trying to choke people too much to probably do. I just, weights don’t do it as much for me. Uh, I love the pump you get after weights, but I haven’t lifted weights in long time.

Sevan Matossian (05:33):

Oh, well you got a fucking crazy good body too. That’s just, that’s just from, uh, jujitsu at, at Wander lay, Huh?

Tommy G (05:39):

Jujitsu and I do tons of pullups and pushups and, um, I, I coach take down Tuesdays at one LA Jujitsu. If you ever wanna learn takedowns you in the Milwaukee area. I’ll show you a couple things.

Sevan Matossian (05:51):

Um, there is a, uh, I wanna go back to your history a little bit, but there’s a video on um, Tommy G’s, uh, YouTube that I highly recommend everyone go see if you’re just gonna watch one video. God, there’s so many good videos. How about the video where the guys, I’m all over the place. How about the video where the guys keep pointing the gun and is at your cameraman?

Tommy G (06:09):

Yeah. Keep

Sevan Matossian (06:10):

Having to tell them not to

Tommy G (06:11):

In America. Yeah. And they mean, I told the guy, like, I, I push his barrel of the gun down cuz these are all 15, 16 year old kids that have assault rifles on them.

Sevan Matossian (06:20):

Every kid had two guns and a Gucci bag. Every fucking kid. You’re like, do, and you’re in the middle of the street in broad daylight. You’re like, Aren’t you guys worried about the police? They’re like, Uhuh mm-hmm.

Tommy G (06:30):

<affirmative>. And yeah, so I I, I had him point the barrel down cuz he was pointing right at Keegan, my camera guy. And he’s like, he’s like, got a little bit mad at me for doing that. I was like, Are you serious dude? Like, what’s going on? Like, I don’t care if you’re, you’re flexing your gun, but just don’t point at anybody. It’s not that hard, you know?

Sevan Matossian (06:46):

Uh, they seem like everywhere you go, they seem like nice use. They, they seem like they respect you. It’s, it’s a trip.

Tommy G (06:54):

I think I have no agenda. I have no, you know, I’m not going in there with an angle, so I just ask people questions. I’m genuinely interested in what they have to say, and I’m trying to, I never try to edit in a way that people look bad. So I, you know, so I, I I think that’s what helps me with that.

Sevan Matossian (07:11):

Um, that’s not necessarily true. Let me push back on that a little bit. You do have an agenda because there’s a couple questions. You ask all these kids.

Tommy G (07:22):


Sevan Matossian (07:23):

And that is, what do you see in your future? You, you kind of, it seems like you always have an agenda to leave them with some of, of your projection that, that they deserve better than what they’re doing. Maybe not, I don’t know if better’s the right word, but you seem to have a little bit of father in you in all these places. Hmm. Not preachy, but, but, but you, you do seem to have a little bit of agenda to leave these kids with some questions. Like, hey, like, uh, and you don’t do it in the, in the traditional, um, way. Like, dude, the gang banging, life’s dumb. Or you’re gonna get shot by the guns. You, you ask them very gently, but it is a theme in all your videos.

Tommy G (07:58):

I would say that’s fair. And I would say, cause I can see like for the Kia boys, the kids that steal, some of them have stolen 200 or 300 cars. Holy shit. Uh, the kid is funny. The kid is smart. The kid is willing to take risks. And if you push that in the right direction, it’s like, man, what can’t you do? And when I see, and then you see them just make such dumb decisions, that is, that’s very predictable. You’re gonna be dumb or dead or in prison and not a contribution to society, you’re likely gonna be a teen father. And it’s just like, oh man, I see what you can become. And the unfortunate thing is you probably have no male in your life that sees that also and is gonna be brave enough to tell you like, maybe you should not do that, man. And I don’t, it’s not my job to go. I go there for two hours. I’m not there to preach at them and I’m not gonna change their life, but I see what they could be coming at just, it’s sad to see,

Sevan Matossian (08:50):

Uh, Jeremy eat world. Did I hear Milwaukee, Tommy G We gotta hook up my dude Jeremy. You gotta find Tommy Jean. Just do at least one cross or workout with him.

Tommy G (08:57):

<laugh>, I’ll, I’ll invite you to the Jujitsu gym. I’d be happy to to do that with you.

Sevan Matossian (09:03):

There is a video where you challenge, um, you walk around and you challenge guys to, they can knock you out. They can punch you as hard as they want. You say, no matter what, I won’t punch you if I quit. Uh, you get the 200 bucks if you quit, It’s no, no big deal.

Tommy G (09:20):


Sevan Matossian (09:22):

O obviously you go undefeated in these videos, but the coolest part about these videos, if you’re thinking about ju doing jujitsu, if you’re thinking about putting your kids in jujitsu, you have to see these videos because not only, and you, I don’t think you even actually mentioned this in the first video, but you mentioned it in the second video, not only do you go undefeated against a lot of guys, but you never hurt any of them. And there’s guys, you could have fucked up, you could have slammed on their head and you still cradle them down gently while they’re punching you in the head. It’s kind of crazy.

Tommy G (09:53):

Yeah. Yeah. I think, uh, so I grew up wrestling. That’s the single greatest influence in my life.

Sevan Matossian (09:58):

Oh, sorry, can you go back? Sorry to interrupt. Tommy, go back to the, look at this chick’s fucking body right here.

Tommy G (10:03):


Sevan Matossian (10:04):

This chick’s body is crazy. Oh,

Tommy G (10:06):

I have to watch

Sevan Matossian (10:07):

The end. Wait, wait. Uh, Right. It’s coming up that,

Tommy G (10:11):

Yeah, she’s doing well in the dating market. I, I

Sevan Matossian (10:16):

<laugh>, my god. Hey, I think that’s all natural. That’s our genetics. So

Tommy G (10:21):

We’re too far from Miami to be doing bbl. So she’s, she’s doing well for herself.

Sevan Matossian (10:25):

Oh my God. Oh my god. That’s like heaven. Okay. Sorry. I got distracted.

Tommy G (10:32):

Understandable. And I,

Sevan Matossian (10:34):

That’s one, that’s one of the nicest bodies I’ve ever seen in my life. Like, really? Well I li I’m

Tommy G (10:39):

In Milwaukee. I’m sure you’ll, you’ll enjoy yourself.

Sevan Matossian (10:41):

I like these outlier, uh, physiques. Okay, go on.

Tommy G (10:46):

One one quick thing on that is, I have a theory that anyone who works out takes care of their body in eats right. Is minimally a seven out of 10. And that almost average can be physically attractive as long as they take care of their body.

Sevan Matossian (11:00):

I I, I’ll even go a step further. You don’t even have to. I’m attracted to you if you’re, if you’re making that attempt.

Tommy G (11:08):


Sevan Matossian (11:09):

If I see you sweating, you’re seven.

Tommy G (11:13):

Yeah. Lifestyle speaks volumes. And people want, we want, we can get into the, you know, that’s fat shaming. It’s like, no, I see your body and I can see what choices you make in your life. And I can tell that given what I like to do, that your lifestyle is not attractive and therefore you’re not attractive. And I’m sorry. And that

Sevan Matossian (11:30):

Was the, that was the thing when you went to the gay Pride parade too, by the way, when, um, and, and I’ll bring us back to the wrestling, but the, the only thing I saw from there was people with mental illness who were obese and probably on drugs. And by drugs I mean like metformin, Xanax. Like, I’m like, I I just prefer like a a, I like how you roll just a pair of fucking shorts and a shirt and you’re like, you’re probably like me. Probably don’t, you know, you, do you wash your hair? I don’t project on

Tommy G (11:59):

That. Not really.

Sevan Matossian (11:59):

Yeah, me neither.

Tommy G (12:00):

I just recently started not using shampoo and seeing how it,

Sevan Matossian (12:03):

Yeah, it’s crazy. Okay. But, so we’ll get back to the gay one. But it makes me sad to see how much effort they’re putting in the journey they have to take it so much work.

Tommy G (12:14):

Yeah. I mean I think, I think you can certainly be gay in a healthy way, but I do think

Sevan Matossian (12:19):

Of course, of course. And of

Tommy G (12:20):

Course, but a lot of people in that community, you can just tell like, man, like I, you, I, you look some of those, especially some of their characters in that video, you’re just like, oh man. Like I can tell things aren’t going so well for you and then, and

Sevan Matossian (12:33):

You and you’re creating the struggle yourself. The same way that those, those, those kids are creating the struggle. They’re creating the struggle for themselves.

Tommy G (12:40):

Yeah. Yeah. It’s like the same life is gonna be difficult and you can either choose the difficulty or you can kind of inherit it based on your, your choices. And I choose to be in the path where I choose my difficulty.

Sevan Matossian (12:52):

Um, so the guys not, not hurting them and putting them down gently.

Tommy G (12:56):

Yeah. I mean I think wrestling is, uh, if you look at the last 52 UFC champions, 26 of them are wrestlers, 13 of them are jujitsu guys. And then strikers, which are still, you know, badass dudes. But you know, boxers like four out of 52 kickboxings, like maybe three or five. And so, uh, that’s, and it’s, it teaches you to be so tough. Like if you meet a wrestler, it’s like that. And he, especially if he wrestled through college, it’s like, okay, this dude is one tough son a bitch. And um, but it does give you the power to take someone down without hurting them. Like striking. You kind of have to clob or somebody and uh, to, to get them down. But I can submit somebody, I can take ’em down to the ground and control ’em without hurting them. And I think if police, I mean they already have enough on their plate, especially in big cities, they’re already overloaded. But if

Sevan Matossian (13:42):

Yeah, this is the guy you could have crushed. Yeah. You so, and

Tommy G (13:45):

I, I, I went down to my knees and went down slowly cuz I’m not trying to, you know, crush his, uh, spine or anything. But I think it would be interesting if police took basic take down and jujitsu classes, um, I think they’d have a much better success rate with some of their suspects.

Sevan Matossian (13:59):

You all. Um, what belt are you?

Tommy G (14:01):

I’m a purple belt.

Sevan Matossian (14:02):

Oh wow. Okay. Now it’s making more sense. Uh, are you, are you fan of, uh, Nicky Rod and the B team and, and the and Gordon Ryan. And did you watch um, adcc?

Tommy G (14:15):

I watch clips on Instagram and yeah, I’m impressed with both those guys. I hope to, I’m, I’m going there, I’m going to Austin in December and I hope to film a video, uh, probably at the B team, but maybe at, um, John Danaher’s gym and kinda do day in the life of the best jisu gym in the world type of idea. And, um, feel, feel what that level is like. My friend has traveled there and he’s a college wrestler. He does well, but he said those guys are some tough bastard. So it’s, it’d be fun to go there and see what it’s like.

Sevan Matossian (14:43):

You are doing that in December? Mm-hmm.

Tommy G (14:45):

<affirmative>. I haven’t lined up anything with them, but I’m going there in December and I’ll, I’ll reach out when it gets close to that time.

Sevan Matossian (14:51):

Okay. Every 12 text I send Nikki, he responds once <laugh>. Yeah. And comes on the show. You got, I gotta bug him 12 times, but he is been on the show a bunch. If there’s anything I can do, um, I’ll start sending him like 13 texts right now. <laugh>,

Tommy G (15:04):

Line him up.

Sevan Matossian (15:05):

Yeah. Uh, if, do you ever come out, uh, California way?

Tommy G (15:10):

I’m going to Los Angeles in February to film with an underground punk rock fight club. Oh shit. Uh, Mexican gangsters, maybe some, uh, Asian gangsters. And, uh, I got a couple ideas out there as well. So, Um, are you guys in the LA area?

Sevan Matossian (15:26):

I’m, no, I’m, I’m in Santa Cruz, but there is a, um, maybe there, there’s there’s a, uh, CrossFit out here. The fittest guy in the world’s out here in Lodi, California. Justin Maderas, he’s a two time CrossFit games champion. How

Tommy G (15:38):

Far is that from my, You

Sevan Matossian (15:39):

Would love him. He’s so cool. Seven

Tommy G (15:42):

Hours, eight hours

Sevan Matossian (15:44):


Tommy G (15:44):

Of LA I reached out to the fittest, uh, woman in the world. I think she’s an Australian right

Sevan Matossian (15:50):

Tia. We reach

Tommy G (15:51):

Out to her too. No respond. But,

Sevan Matossian (15:53):


Tommy G (15:53):

<laugh>, if you guys have connections to that man, I would love to do a day in the life and watch him train and see what he does. And if he’s open to that, you guys have the right, uh, connection there. Let’s, let’s line that up

Sevan Matossian (16:03):

For sure. Yeah. Um, when did you get immersed in, uh, black. Let’s go, let’s go back to, uh, I was gonna say a black culture, but let’s go back to your use. So when you say your baby A is that just a, um, how did the doctors decide which baby’s A, B or C?

Tommy G (16:19):

I think I was closest to my mother’s exit when I, when they made that determination.

Sevan Matossian (16:24):

Okay. And how, how did your mother get pregnant with triplets? Is that like in vitro or something? Did they

Tommy G (16:29):

No, but they were, she, they had, she was older. So my, my pop was, um, let’s see in this early forties and she was in her late thirties when they had me. And so they were on prednisone so that, I mean, they were having, it’s, it’s today’s an emotional day cuz my pop is no longer here. And I was just speaking with my mom and, you know, shedding a little bit of tears before this, this podcast cuz you wanna share some of these moments with people you love. But, um, yeah, they, it’s, uh, I’m just happy that they got together and had a hot date and here I am, you know, <laugh>,

Sevan Matossian (17:01):

Um, older women do drop multiple eggs. I have twins and, and, and my wife had the twins when she was 39. And, and my, my wife’s like asking the, the, the, uh, midwife, how can this be? And midwife’s like, Yeah. Women over 35. I think it’s sort of part of like an evolutionary thing. It’s like, Hey, you’ve waited this long to have babies. Fuck you. Here’s two

Tommy G (17:22):

<laugh> <laugh> two for one. I’m getting married in two weeks to a woman who’s 33. And I’m aware of the fact that time is ticking and, uh, papa’s got lay some lace and ground when we get blown, you know, Hey, congratulations.

Sevan Matossian (17:35):

But, but let me tell you something. Um, my wife say, you know, three times a week, CrossFit, you know, three times a week, Pilates, yoga gal, it doesn’t eat added sugar. Like she, she goes out and people will stare at her, her, uh, physique. She’s, even though she’s almost 50 people want to talk to her and like ask her what the fuck’s going on. Of course. But, um, and all functional too. There’s no, you know what I mean? It’s not, there’s no not as functional as a jujitsu, but, but it’s for picking up, you know, boxes off the ground in the garage and putting ’em on top of the refrigerator, that kind of functional. Right. And, um, she didn’t, she had her our first kid at 39 I wanna say, and our twins at 43. And, and, and I’m telling you, you’re a grinder dude. You need your thirties. Yeah. You are a fucking grinder.

Tommy G (18:29):

Yeah. And it feels good. I love being in workhorse. And on the note about what you said about your wife is, I think what that demonstrates is if you keep your body in tip top shape and you eat in a wonderful manner, uh, your athletic prime, like we think, oh, when you’re in your twenties, that’s it. Like you can be a badass in your fifties. My business partner and one of my best friends is a, uh, 52 year old black belt that dude’s strongest shit. And he takes care of himself. He works out. And so, uh, I think the cool thing about this new generation athletically is we’re rewriting the rule book. You don’t have to be a slob when you’re 50. You can still be the real deal. So let’s make it happen, huh? Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (19:07):

Absolutely. Um, what, what was your dad and your mom? Was it a one night stand? Was it, is that, was that what

Tommy G (19:12):

No, no, no. They were, but they were married for 25, 26 years before shit. Oh, wow. Oh

Sevan Matossian (19:18):

Shit. Far from a one night stand <laugh>.

Tommy G (19:21):

It’s a few

Sevan Matossian (19:21):

Nights he, he passed away when they were married.

Tommy G (19:24):

My, my pop was, uh, wildly overweight and that contributed to his death. So he died when he was 60, uh, three or 61. And so he, I think that’s a big part of subconsciously why I make a lot of the choices I do because like, I didn’t really get to like, even as a kid, like it was more of stationary play. Like he could throw the ball and I would go catch it, but, um, he wasn’t a very mobile man. He was, he was probably three 50 plus and you know, and made doing things difficult. But he was a wonderful man and there for me. And I, but it makes me think like I really am mindful about what I put into my body.

Sevan Matossian (20:05):

How, how old were you when he passed?

Tommy G (20:07):

18? I was a senior in high school. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, he died in our kitchen floor.

Sevan Matossian (20:11):

Heart attack

Tommy G (20:12):

That. Yeah. Yep. He was released from the hospital the night before or the day before and they’re like, Yeah, he’s fine. And uh, he wasn’t so,

Sevan Matossian (20:21):

Um, you noticed there aren’t any um, I shouldn’t say any. I don’t see any obese old people.

Tommy G (20:29):

No, it’s, your body can’t take it, man.

Sevan Matossian (20:31):

Yeah. Like my, my mom’s oldest dirt and she’s still CrossFit, she’s like 79 and she’s skinny. Yeah, she looks great. And yeah, and she doesn’t, yeah, she’s fit. She doesn’t do any like, but she’s just normal, you know what I mean? She’s not like, like some weirdo old lady like fitness influencer, she’s just a, like, no one like sees her and is like, Wow, you do CrossFit. But like, she’s probably gonna live another, she’s probably gonna live to a hundred. I gotta be careful. She might outlive me. I do not want die for my mom. <laugh>.

Tommy G (21:00):

Yeah. I mean it’s, there’s no secret that if you want a long life, there’s some simple things you have to do in the kitchen especially and in the workout room and, but it’s certainly possible.

Sevan Matossian (21:12):

So then your, your siblings, are they boys or girls?

Tommy G (21:16):

One boy. One girl. My brother is unbelievably smart. He’s coding for Amazon. So he did, uh, I don’t know how much of his passed I, I just that he was down, like he was on the, the dark web and the Silk Road. He was doing some shenanigans on there. Um, and then he’s been sober now seven years and absolutely crushing it for Amazon and making great money. And my sister, uh, went to the Naval Academy and then she um, she graduated, she became an officer on a ship and she just recently got out. So they are the two, They were definitely, there was one story that um, my parents would take us out for good report cards. And I remember one time in high school I came back with like a 3.4 and they came back with like a 4.1 and waited till I went to a friend’s house to, to take him out for that dinner to celebrate, you know? Oh damn. Oh shit. I learned about it way after. So, but whatever, you know, I get it. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (22:07):

How, how often do you talk to them, your siblings?

Tommy G (22:10):

I would say my sister once every week, maybe once every week and a half. My brother a little bit more infrequent, but I’m very, I, I love them and I’m, and I am close to them,

Sevan Matossian (22:21):

So, so if he call, they call, they’re on the short list of answer no matter what. You know how like there’s those people like no matter what they call, like, you’re like, hello? Uh, I’m working out right now or I’m, I’m filming right now, but no matter what you answer

Tommy G (22:32):

Yeah. Nearly. I mean, everyone in my inner circle, my, the, the, the people that I love in, in Milwaukee, all my really close friends for sure. Like I love if I get a call from them, it’s a, I love it.

Sevan Matossian (22:44):

Uh, so, so then you’re growing up. What, wait, was your school, um, predominantly white or black?

Tommy G (22:50):

Dude, it was like 99% white.

Sevan Matossian (22:53):

And and when, what, what influence did you, when did you start getting involved with black culture?

Tommy G (22:57):

My first job in Milwaukee was selling payroll to the headiest to the hood.

Sevan Matossian (23:03):

And what’s that mean? What’s payroll?

Tommy G (23:04):

So small bus, like if you wanna pay your employees, you get a company like paychecks for ADP to run payroll through. Okay. I was looking for a company called Paychecks and the territory they assigned me was 5 3 2 6, which is the most incarcerated zip code in the country. All of the hood zip codes in that area. And so I’m calling on and like, they want you to dress up, you have to wear a suit and shit. So you show up and they think I’m the FBI or they think I’m about to watch somebody. I’m from Paychecks. And so I got thrown into the fire there and really enjoyed a lot of it. I mean there’s, I couldn’t take working there for more than probably two or three in that territory for more than two or three years cuz there’s so many appointments. Like you show up to their place at business and they’re not there.

Tommy G (23:45):

And you called them the day before, like just so much bad business practices that made it a struggle to make good money. But that’s how I got, uh, into it. And that’s how I knew the, the north side of Milwaukee, like the back of my hand. I worked in those areas for five years and then I, you know, I was doing pranks in those areas. I was recording music in those areas, so I, I’m, I know that area that’s the best. Yeah. Coffee makes you black right there. If you zoom in, you see that? Yeah. I took a lot of customers there and five through 2 0 6, man, that is the real deal.

Sevan Matossian (24:16):

How about, how about that trap house? First of all, what is a trap house?

Tommy G (24:21):

Trap house is a place of business that drugs.

Sevan Matossian (24:25):

So, so it’s basically, it’s like a, a neighborhood store seven 11 that’s not zoned properly. It’s just a regular house. But instead of like sellings Slurpees, you get fentanyl and heroin and Oxy

Tommy G (24:37):

<laugh> got,

Sevan Matossian (24:38):

And we, so you’re in this trap house. I don’t even know how that shit works, but you’re in this trap house and you ask the guy if he drinks coffee and he says, No, that shit stains your teeth.

Tommy G (24:54):

<laugh>. That man is a character that man, man is a character. And

Sevan Matossian (24:58):

I fucking loved that guy when he said that.

Tommy G (25:01):

How insane was that video?

Sevan Matossian (25:03):

I I, I, here’s the thing about all your videos and, and I really appreciate you having the wonder and awe too. First of all, you never step you, you never, you never, um, like a lot of white cats though, when they roll with black guys, they start trying to act black.

Tommy G (25:18):


Sevan Matossian (25:19):

They start, they like, they, they like, they too much. I don’t wanna use and I don’t care, I don’t believe in cultural appropriations steal whatever you want from anyone, But, but, um, but you, you don’t try to like, you don’t all of a sudden got a, a limp or you, you’re not like talking gangster. You’re, you’re always you.

Tommy G (25:35):

Yeah. There’s no front. And so, but this is okay. One thing I have I’ll

Sevan Matossian (25:39):

Share, but you would, but you, it is clear, especially, I don’t know if I’ve been tainted by your fight videos, but it is clear that no one should fuck with you like one on one. You’re, you’re not someone anyone should fuck with

Tommy G (25:49):

In a lot of these areas. I’m the only guy without a gun. So I mean, I can be as cool as I want with my fight moves, but you know, definitely the

Sevan Matossian (25:56):

Best still. You walk around with a little bit of, um, not swagger, but it’s very clear you’re, you’re I’ve never seen it. Yeah, very. You’re so confident.

Tommy G (26:05):

I feel good. I feel good. And but one thing about the me not trying to act black is, uh, my, so there’s a, a guy that, and

Sevan Matossian (26:14):

When I say black, I don’t mean black skin. People don’t get confused. I mean, black culture, black culture, black

Tommy G (26:18):

Hood culture,

Sevan Matossian (26:19):

I, I hate it when the two get mixed up. Just cause you have black skin doesn’t mean that you’ve embraced black culture.

Tommy G (26:24):

Right, Right. Um, but there’s a, there’s a kind of a more far left YouTuber that covered my Kia Boy’s video. His name is Hassan, uh, something or other. And one of the comments in the stream that someone paid for him to read was, this guy is painfully white. And now my fiance loves telling me that every now and then, like you’re painfully white. So, um,

Sevan Matossian (26:43):

But you’re not, you’ve transcended you’re not even white. You’ve transcended all that shit. You’re like above all that shit renaissance.

Tommy G (26:50):


Sevan Matossian (26:50):

I certainly feel

Tommy G (26:51):

Like I go anywhere in the world with a smile and good intentions. Yeah, that’s

Sevan Matossian (26:55):

Awesome. Anyone who thinks you’re white, um, is uh, uh, relies too much on their eyes. You should use your other senses <laugh> because you are a, uh, a special creature the way you interact. So, so you have these siblings and you’re raised and you, and why did you get into wrestling?

Tommy G (27:15):

I was on a little league baseball team and there was this kid named Reese Deek and he had the biggest muscles on the team and we were like, Reese, how’d you get such big biceps? And you’re like, I’m a wrestler. I wrestle. And there’s, we were lucky enough to live in, uh, Chris Lakewood, one of the best youth clubs in the country. They have like 200 kids out for that team. So many D one athletes came, came outta that program while I was there. And um, so we, you know, I dropped into wrestling and I loved it. Like I was a kid that I loved, love going to practice, but I hated competing for the longest time cause I would get so nervous and it took me until really college to control that. And just realizing like, look, when tomorrow hits, I’m gonna be one of one of the only people that really remembers or cares about my match in particular. So just let it fly. And that helped me be, uh, I made, uh, you know, I was in the starting lineup as a freshman cuz I just started not giving his shit. Like, no one, no one expects me to be here. There’s no pressure. Let it fly. Let’s go out and let’s upset these guys and let’s let ’em know what’s up. You know,

Sevan Matossian (28:13):

What can I do to help? My son is so nervous at jujitsu tournaments. All three, well two of them, One of ’em doesn’t give a fuck. He’s like, let’s go. Um, what do I, they’re two five year olds in a seven year old we probably been to like, I don’t know, five or six digit jitsu tournaments. What should I do? Should I just pay you to counsel them? Like if you FaceTime them before they, uh, matches,

Tommy G (28:32):

I think letting ’em know that it’s entirely normal to feel that way. And, uh, yeah,

Sevan Matossian (28:37):

Anything I told him, everyone’s scared. I go, dude, to everyone’s scared. Yeah.

Tommy G (28:40):

I mean, Mike Tyson talked about he’s terrified before a boxing match and he’s about to obliterate somebody. And so I think anytime you’re doing something that’s worth doing, like giving a public speech, proposing, you know, doing a $200 knockout challenge in a park, you’re gonna get nerves. And the challenge is to exercise that muscle that do it over and over and over again. But also balancing that with like, look, win, loser draw, doesn’t matter. All you can control is give your best effort. So I love you. No matter what you do on the mat, whether you get choked out, I don’t care. I care that you try your hardest and that’s all you can control. So I think that that lessens it a little bit.

Sevan Matossian (29:18):

This guy Justin Madeiras that I was telling you about, the fittest man in the world, uh, when I interviewed him a couple weeks ago, he, he has a wrestling background. You ready for this? He was one in 49. His first 50 matches he lost 49 of them come and fucking believe that he

Tommy G (29:36):

Built so much character in that time. And that’s like, I love hearing stories

Sevan Matossian (29:39):

Cried. He said he cried after every match. Fuck come home and just fucking crying.

Tommy G (29:44):

Yeah. And look at, look at what he’s doing now. I love that story.

Sevan Matossian (29:47):

Look, here’s his mom. Here’s his mom in, in the chat. <laugh>. No shit.

Tommy G (29:51):

Hey mama. Maderas, how you doing? <laugh>? Oh. Love to talk to your son and cover his story so you can connect the dots on that. Uh, Tommy g McGee on.

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