#626 – Roger Sparks

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Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Obviously, um, bam. We’re live. Jump in anytime. Okay. Yeah. Do what you gotta do. Any questions? Any thoughts? Roger,

Roger Sparks (00:10):

How you doing, sir?

Sevan Matossian (00:12):

You’re not just words on a sheet of paper. Actually, I’m lying. I listen to the audio book. You’re not just coming from my, uh, iPhone. You’re a real man.

Roger Sparks (00:20):


Sevan Matossian (00:21):

Crazy. That’s Caleb down below. Caleb. Roger. Roger, Caleb, how you doing? I meet you Roger. Caleb, could we, could we change Roger’s name to Awesome. You

Roger Sparks (00:32):

Demand? Oh, you want me to go back and change it here?

Sevan Matossian (00:34):

Don’t take Caleb’s job from him. I got, It’s okay. Lose his job so quick. What if you do it better, Dana? Holy cow. Holy cow. Hey, have you ever done, do you only, have you only been doing podcasts? Um, like that are like the, uh, the, I don’t know what to call ’em, the war guy podcasts, Like the guys Yeah, I’ve a lot guys in the dark rooms with the cigars and the,

Roger Sparks (01:00):

Um, things are kind of slowly branching out for me. I’ve been asked to do a couple, uh, speaking engagements that are just, uh, completely non-military involved, but, uh, for the podcast, for the most part, Yeah, it’s mostly the preparatory soft courses or, uh, things like that. I just, a package, Uh, Gabby Reese and Lad Hamilton just submitted a, uh, that package that I sent to you, that media package to, uh, Joe Rogan,

Sevan Matossian (01:27):

So, Okay.

Roger Sparks (01:28):

Yeah. We’ll see what happens there. But mostly it’s just, uh, you know, just kind of like lower echelon military. There’s been a lot of really cool, uh, uh, support from the soft community. You know, they’ve reached out to me, you know, And that’s,

Sevan Matossian (01:40):

Who’s that? What’s the, what’s, what’s that? What’s the soft community?

Roger Sparks (01:45):

Uh, the special operation forces, like the, the tier one military guys, Uh, Okay. Yeah. There, there’s quite a bit of, uh, quite a bit of podcasts that come from that genre. And some of ’em are cool because there’s kind of like the, uh, the subversive just, uh, vetted guys kind of have like their own stuff. And that’s, that’s always kind of affirming to be asked to speak, uh, you know, within those circles, you

Sevan Matossian (02:10):

Know, totally affirming. I I was, I was, I just watched your talk. Uh, I, I know exactly what you mean. It would be like if a filmmaker was invited to speak at a filmmaker’s conference, it’s like Yeah, yeah, exactly. They’re not judging you for not being the silent professional. They’re not like he’s braggadocio. They’re not like he’s opposer, which is always the fear of any guy like you putting, putting your head up with a story, right?

Roger Sparks (02:31):

Yeah, exactly. And I mean, no, despite, uh, how vetted or ex, you know, experiential you are, it, it, uh, you know, guys are always like, Why is he writing a book? And it’s like, man, <laugh> damn guys.

Sevan Matossian (02:44):

Have you been that guy? Have you been that guy? Was there a point in your life? You’re like, Fuck the guys. You come back and talk.

Roger Sparks (02:50):

Yeah. You know, I mean it’s, it’s, it’s definitely like a closed circle thing. But, uh, I think the thing that’s really odd about my story is, is, uh, I didn’t ask to, to write a book. I didn’t ask to, you know, get tattooed in Afghanistan, You know, all these odd things that have just kind of landed in my lap and wiggled. I, you know, that’s, you know, it’s taken me a lifetime to sit and think about these things. But I do think living with risk and courage, I do think that those things create, you know, they’re the catalyst for synchronicity, you know? And, uh, you know, the book thing just landed in my lap, you know, in this very odd way, you know, of just, uh, a friend was having a book written, and as I was retiring, um, you know, the, the publishing company that was helping assist in this friend’s book was like, You have, we, we have to write a book about you cuz they were resource me. I was this guy’s mentor. Uh, but, uh, it’s, it’s all just

Sevan Matossian (03:50):

Been, Who was that? What book was that? Who was that?

Roger Sparks (03:53):

Uh, there’s a book, uh, it’s called Never Quit, and it’s on a buddy of mine. Jimmy Settles, uh, is in my story. The, the PJ that got shot in the head. Uh, that’s, that’s Jimmy settled. So he was, he had a book written. He just happened to have a dear friend of his, was a bestselling author here in Anchorage. And Jimmy got back and it was that quintessential story where he got divorced, Uh, he started numbing himself with drugs, and he was literally like living in a van down by the river. And, uh, you know, through that process, uh, everyone, all of us were trying to reach out and help Jimmy out. And, uh, one of Jimmy’s friends was like, Let’s write a book about your life and try to elevate and just kind of put a spotlight on you. And, uh, you know, that led to one thing.

Roger Sparks (04:41):

But, but during the process of that book, uh, Don Reard in this ghostwriter was, uh, he was like, Ra uh, um, everything you say is so densely packed. And, and, uh, it’s so interesting that I, I, I absolutely believe that we have to write a book about. And so think about it this time, I mean, at the point of retiring from a career in special operations, and it all just kind of like unfolded and, and I needed the perspective. And, and that’s where the book kind of came from. Uh, it was just completely synchronistic. I didn’t try, I didn’t go and reach out to different, uh, you know, publishing houses, or I had, hadn’t even been writing anything. Uh, I’d written in a journal just of my own process, you know, like I’m, you know, I’ve always been, you know, extremely artistic my whole life. But, uh, I hadn’t, you know, really succinctly said, Well, I’m gonna write a book, you know, it just, it just fell in place. And the whole book process was really just me tattooing people and, and this, this ghostwriter coming in and just hitting record with his iPhone and saying, Just tell us a story, Raj. And as I’m tattooing, I’m just telling him stories, you know?

Sevan Matossian (05:52):

Um, this is, you guys are staring at one weird dude, <laugh>. Uh, he, um, I think he’s born in the same year as me, nineteen seventy two, seventy.

Roger Sparks (06:06):

I was born in 73.

Sevan Matossian (06:08):

73. Oh. So he is a young man. Uh, he did, um, the youth was wild. Well, hopefully, we’ll, we’ll go into that. The youth was, I, I don’t know what was more wild, the youth or the, um, the adulthood. But, uh, he, in, in the most superficial sense, he became a ranger. Uh, then he got out for a second, and then he went back to square one and did pair of Rescue. For those of you don’t know, it’s, it, it’s completely bat shit, crazy shit. Uh, he was deployed 11 or 12 times, and there are some, this book tells stories of being inserted into areas where there’s crazy, crazy dangers in combat and fighting. It’s, it’s basically shit that movies are made out of. The helicopter goes in, he has to get out, there’s a malfunction when he gets out. Um, and he’s left there for three hours.

Sevan Matossian (07:00):

And when he finally gets rescued, he has to fill a helicopter up with so many dead bodies that he’s on top of them. And, uh, it’s, it’s, it’s nuts. Um, it’s, it’s absolutely nuts. Uh, and then there’s, and then there’s, and then as you look more and more into him, you know, he’s not even, um, what are you, are you like a, you’re like some weird samurai that got misplaced, like you were born in the wrong era or something. He didn’t even, Did he write that book? That book is written, so when you talk, it’s so, uh, your jus position of words. You’re so unique. No one, like, I could take your voice away and hear a line from your book, and I’d still be like, Oh, that’s Roger Sparks. I can’t say that about a lot of authors, <laugh>. You know what I mean?

Roger Sparks (07:52):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Uh, I think I’ve, my whole life I’ve been kind of like this in this jux position of dichotomy, you know? Uh, you know, I, you know, I grew up in a very, you know, surreal environment and, uh, I was the second born. I’ve got an older sister who’s a badass, and she took after my father

Sevan Matossian (08:11):

Still alive. She’s still alive.

Roger Sparks (08:13):

Yeah. She’s still alive. And in fact, we get to, uh, I’m gonna go visit her here in a couple weeks. Uh, but, uh, you

Sevan Matossian (08:19):

Have to ask that about anyone. Roger mentions that’s how wild his life is, so and so. Oh, are they alive?

Roger Sparks (08:26):

<laugh>? Yeah. She’s doing well. But, uh, she’s definitely been a wild child, you know. Um, I guess just a little bit of background. I grew up, uh, and I’m gonna purposefully try to not go down too many rabbit holes, so if you want me to go down anything, just please, please let me

Sevan Matossian (08:41):

Know, brother. I got so many notes and videos and I listen to your book and, um, I don’t know whether to go with you on the spiritual side of things or the war side of things. The war side of things is the fun candy and the little boy, me and the spiritual is just what my life’s all about. It’s a but go, you go.

Roger Sparks (08:57):

Uh, yeah. So, I mean, you know, I grew up my father, uh, I, I’ve definitely, I was born into this odd gray area of living and, uh,

Sevan Matossian (09:06):

Uh, what state, what city?

Roger Sparks (09:07):

Uh, I grew up in Dallas, Texas, and my father was basically a, like a break leg or, uh, he was, he was involved in an outlaw biker community, uh, that, uh, uh, assisted in, you know, the movement and, and sale of, of a lot of illegal narcotics and stuff. And, and, uh, my father was kind of like the pit bull of this organization. And, uh, you know, I did grow up around a lot of illicit drug use. I, I grew up, um, you know, definitely always kind of trying to understand, uh, you know, what, what is going on here, You know, what’s, what’s going on with, with, you know, uh, you know, this whole war on drugs. And then here it is, my, my parents have this, this, you know, whole kind of enterprise they’re involved in. And, and, uh, it was, it was very kind of surreal in the coming of age sense, you know? Um, I remember my sister, she used to, you know, I mean, there were bags of marijuana. I mean, marijuana is, is a pretty harmless, you know, drug, you know, And, but at the time, this is like Nancy Reagan Dare.

Sevan Matossian (10:12):

Yeah. Oh, I remember. It was hardcore. It was good to jail.

Roger Sparks (10:16):

Yeah. This is your brain on drugs kind of stuff. And then I’m growing up around these guys, and these are very,

Sevan Matossian (10:21):

This is the gang right here, right, Roger? He was an enforcer for these guys.

Roger Sparks (10:24):

Yeah. Yeah. And, and, uh,

Sevan Matossian (10:26):

What does that mean? You don’t pay your money and your dad and Roger’s dad shows up at your door?

Roger Sparks (10:30):

Yeah, yeah. You know, there’s, there’s a very strict code that a lot of outlaw biker gangs, uh, inhibit. And, uh, it’s, you know, you would think that, you know, and, and I don’t know exactly what it’s like now, you know, but, uh, at the time these guys were very loving. Like, there was a very strong sense of code. Most of the guys that, that helped raise me, uh, were Vietnam combat veterans. And, uh, just living in this, this environment where, uh, guys are obviously operating outside of the, the, the, the legal system, you know, like they did not, they were very disenfranchised with what America was and the politics and, and all of that, but they, they wanted to honor each other. And, uh, you know, it was just, you know, growing up in that sense was very kind of bewildering to then go to school and, and, and kind of have other kids talk about their family lives. And I mean, there were, you know, kilos of cocaine throughout the house. There’s marijuana, you know, everywhere. I mean, I remember my dad smoked grass, like, like they were cigarettes, you know, And, uh,

Sevan Matossian (11:35):

And you had smut magazines on your coffee table next to your mom’s art books.

Roger Sparks (11:39):

Yeah. Like everywhere.

Sevan Matossian (11:40):

I love that. Yeah. You guys have those pens where you turn ’em upside down. I might have one here someone sent me. You turn ’em upside down and the girls clothes fall off or

Roger Sparks (11:47):

Correct. Yeah. Yeah. But this is in an odd area of Texas. I remember going to like a sushi bar and there would be just, you know, there’s pornography everywhere. Like I remember this one bar that I, we would go to, and the, the bar itself was like nothing but just very graphic, you know, smut pictures, but like laminated over with, uh, like shelac or something, but done in a beautiful, like, artistic way. But, and that’s the stuff as like a, a seven year old, I’m sitting here staring at, you know, drinking my Coke, you know? Yeah. Uh, uh, but, uh, you know, so kind of grow in that environment. Um, riding dirt bikes. I mean, it was, it was a normal thing to ride the dirt bikes always

Sevan Matossian (12:26):

With helmets and pads, right? Always with helmets and pads,

Roger Sparks (12:29):

<laugh>. Oh my gosh, man, I was, I was kind of, uh, in this moment, uh, I mean, we would ride dirt bikes constantly. And this is, you know, early eighties, you know, and just riding a CR 80 to the mall to go steal motley crew tapes, you know, that was kind of a pastime of ours, you know? Uh, but, uh, I mean, I’ve crashed dirt bikes so many times. I remember there was a time where I crashed my, my, my dirt bike destroyed the motorcycle, and I couldn’t walk. And I was about three or four miles from the house. I remember crawling back on my hands and knees. Wow. And, uh, I mean, I’d fractured my hip, had a couple long bone fractures, and that was just the, the world, I mean, uh, that prepared crawl. Say again?

Caleb Beaver (13:14):

So did that prepare you for all the bear crawls during handoff?

Roger Sparks (13:17):

Yeah, exactly. I, I think that, uh, just, you know, living life on my own terms, uh, it was more than free range. It was, you know, we would play tag under active boat docks in the lakes, you know, like under the boats, you know, And I don’t think anything could have prepared me more, not only physically, but uh, you know, meta physically, you know, all of the, the, the, the, that sub context that makes us up who we are for special operations. I mean, it just, it groomed me for that environment. The one thing that I had no taste for, and I still absolutely do not, is, uh, kind of like false leadership, you know? Uh, you know, you can see it, you know, in the political system that we have now where it’s obvious the people that are elected are not in charge. You know, it’s just these faces for these different corporations.

Roger Sparks (14:08):

And I’ve always felt that in, in, you know, to bring that back is like, to sense that in the military, you know, it was always difficult. And honestly, you know, special operations are the biker gangs of the military, you know, like they are these very elite, very, uh, gritty, real aspects of projecting violence for our country. And, uh, it’s kind of like that George, or quote, you know, like, rough men stand ready in, in the night to project violence on those that would do them harm, you know? And you know, I’ve never even thought about it till speaking to you guys about it right now. I think that the, the biker gangs of the military are special operations without a doubt. You know, there’s not a lot of political correctness. There’s, it’s just all, it’s, you know, it’s, it’s all rubber meeting the road. It’s not the pompous military. It’s not what you want them to be. They’re the guys that you call when, when you really want shit to happen. You know, If you want that guy to go there in the middle of the night to do those things, those are your guys. And, um, you know, I mean, I had a really difficult childhood, uh, with my physical health. Um,

Sevan Matossian (15:22):

Just to be clear too, another surprising thing, Your, your dad wasn’t abusive. No.

Roger Sparks (15:28):

Yeah. That’s what, that’s what really,

Sevan Matossian (15:30):

But he is a very violent man.

Roger Sparks (15:31):

Yeah. I

Sevan Matossian (15:32):

Mean, I, he was in the pain. He was in the pain game.

Roger Sparks (15:34):

Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, he was very quick to violence, but I mean, he grew up in, in the penal system, you know, in county jails and, and in prison systems. And, uh, violence is the, the love language. Um, I mean, a lot of the, the more surreal things that inhibit my subconscious or my, you know, my dad was an alcoholic, you know? And, uh, you know, just like a lot of people that compartmentalize

Sevan Matossian (15:59):

Violence, what his drink, what was his drink?

Roger Sparks (16:02):

Uh, you know, he, he would drink cos like it was water, you know,

Sevan Matossian (16:05):

My dad too. Did your dad ever get into the generic beer? It was just a yellow cannon. It said beer on it. No,

Roger Sparks (16:11):

No. Remember those? Coors was his flavor man, you know? Uh, yeah. And this is at a time,

Sevan Matossian (16:16):

He didn’t even have Coors Light then. Do you remember in the tops? You just ripped it off and threw it on the ground?

Roger Sparks (16:20):

Yeah, exactly. I mean, this is at a time where I could ride my bike, my banana seat, Sears Montgomery bike to the gas station and buy him cigarettes and beer, you know, <laugh>. And on the way home, you know, you crack when you’re like, Why is dad, dad like this stuff so much? You drink one and 30 minutes later you’re like, Wow, that feels kind of cool, you know? But, uh, just a total different time and era, you know. But, uh,

Sevan Matossian (16:43):

Roger, what’s your earliest remember, uh, uh, memory of, of, of violence? Do you have one of seen some violence? Yeah,

Roger Sparks (16:52):

I mean, I, I wrote about it in the book, you know, Um, you know, it was, you know, I’ve always viewed violence as this emotion, you know, it’s, it’s like a, I think in the book, I, I refer to it as a wet blanket. And, uh, I just remember feeling overwhelmed by seeing my father project violence, you know? Uh, there were other times as a kid, you know, I grew up, you know, riding bicycles and dirt bikes was freedom to me, you know, like we didn’t have the internet. Hell, we didn’t even have, you know, cable TV at the time, you know? I mean, this is,

Sevan Matossian (17:23):

You were lucky if the newspaper made it to your house. Yeah,

Roger Sparks (17:26):

Yeah. And, uh, so I mean, it was just lord of the Flies, you know? And I was outside next to a freeway overpass one time, and I was just, this is like eight o’clock, nine o’clock at night. Hell, it might have even been like 10:00 PM I don’t even remember, but I was like eight or nine years old, and I was riding next to this freeway, and, uh, I was underneath this overpass and I heard a loud crash and explosion almost. And I turned around and less than 50 feet to a hundred feet from me. There was a, a t-bone intersection where a car was kind of getting off the freeway. And then there was like a group of kids that were kind of like stopped waiting for this car to go by. But this, this car directly t-boned them. And, uh, the group of kids,

Sevan Matossian (18:10):

The group of kids,

Roger Sparks (18:11):

Yeah, there were kids in the car. And I, I rode over to the, the, the accident, and you could smell the alcohol from the wreck, but you know, when, when violent vehicle accidents happen like that, you just smell like hot metal and oil and, um, you know, like, like radiator fluid and you could also smell alcohol. I remember opening the car door and I, and the guy kind of slumped out and I was just like eight to 10 years old, but I helped kind of pull this guy out of the car. I was afraid the cars were gonna catch fire and you could feel the heat, cuz I guess the engine casing, you know, they had cracked and all the heat from that mechanical, you know, combustion of the engine was coming out. And I was afraid the cars were gonna catch fire. And I pulled him out and he was still alive, and he kind of crawled over away from the wreckage onto the side of this curb. But he was obliterated drunk. And this is just some stranger, I had no idea who it was. And, um, inside the other vehicle where all these teenagers, and they were all dead from what I could see, you know, like they were, you could smell blood,

Sevan Matossian (19:18):

Man. Were they mangled?

Roger Sparks (19:19):

Yeah, they were really twisted in the wreckage. And, and both of the vehicles were kind of turned into one kind of heap of just hot metal. And, and, uh, I remember, you know, trying to access them and I was just, again, I’m just like an eight or 10 year old kid. I don’t know what’s going on. I don’t know if the other vehicles are gonna come off the freeway and hit us. And there’s not a lot of traffic at this time. There’s no stoplights. And we’re in kind of like a rural area of where I lived. I mean, I lived in a, in a small town called Watauga, Texas, and the, there were dirt roads that led to the, the freeway system, you know what I’m saying? So, and uh, this was a paved road, but there was no traffic. And, uh, I just remember, you know, I mean, that is not man fighting man, but that violence, that mortality, you know, uh, that, that view of that mortality was really intense. And

Sevan Matossian (20:11):

First dead body. First dead body you ever saw.

Roger Sparks (20:14):

Yeah, without a doubt. And, uh, just to smell the hot metal and to smell the blood and just, there were people moaning, but the, the, the wounds were obviously like, like non survivable, you know? And, and, uh, uh, I remember I rode my bike home. No one ever came. No one ever came, man. You know, like I’m just sitting out here and, uh,

Sevan Matossian (20:37):

You left before even the ambulance and the police came. Well,

Roger Sparks (20:40):

Yeah, I don’t have cell phones. There’s no crawl box, there’s no anything. I mean, this is like you’re 10 years old, 79 or, you know, maybe 1980. I have no idea. And, and, uh, I remember I was just disturbed by the fact that that guy lived, and then these other people had died. And it was just like this weird sense of like, what the fuck, man? And I remember I wrote, so you

Sevan Matossian (21:04):

Knew whose fault it was. Even then as a kid, you’re like, Fuck is this guy’s fault?

Roger Sparks (21:07):

Oh, a hundred percent man. A hundred percent. You know? And, and that guy was just sitting there and I remember riding my bike home and I got home and I told my mom and dad, and I was like, I, I saw Rick out there and I think there’s people dead. And my mom was like, Are you okay? And I was like, Yeah. She was like, Okay, well we love you, honey. You know, it’s like goodnight. You know? And I mean, it was, my entire childhood was kind of strange like that to where it wasn’t, uh, there was no abuse. There was always support and love. If I wanted to talk or ask about anything, they were, they were more than willing to engage me in an honest way. And, and, uh, all of the men that I was around that these, these somewhat violent outcasts from society men, you know, all these guys were Vietnam veterans. And I mean, these guys, one of my, my dad’s best friends would break out in hives. Like in this he, where he wore his flat jacket in Vietnam, I guess he was sprayed with the fent, but he would break out in red hives on his body. And, uh, he would have somewhat like psychotic break or episodes where he’d go into the, the bathroom and, you know, kind of have these fits of rage,

Sevan Matossian (22:17):

But at your house, like you’d hear

Roger Sparks (22:18):

Yeah. At my house and, and

Sevan Matossian (22:20):

Like talking to his demons.

Roger Sparks (22:21):

Yeah. And, and, uh, but these guys, I knew that they would literally, uh, kill people for me. Like I, I knew that these men loved me more than they loved themselves.

Sevan Matossian (22:31):

That’s bad to get sprayed by stuff that removes leaves from trees. That’s not good.

Roger Sparks (22:36):

Yeah. They’ve gone on to find out, you know, that, you know, obviously Agent Orange and things like that sprayed on people, you know, you know, all this late stage, even if you’re in the not getting actively sprayed on, I mean, that affects everything about your lymphatic system, your endocrine system. And you know, you know, a lot of, a large portion of Vietnam veterans that were in areas of the country where this stuff was sprayed, you know, they all developed type two diabetes, you know, very odd cancers. Um, you know, in a large part, you know, the, the larger context of where these men were disenfranchised was being drafted to a war that made absolutely no sense. And they had to survive that by doing very dark and odd things, uh, you know, just to survive that for themselves. But then what’s real after that, you know, the brotherhood of the guys to your left and right, that’s, you know, and, and coming home to a very, you know, odd civilian world where people are calling you baby killer and you just tried to survive your experiences.

Sevan Matossian (23:39):

Does any war make sense to you? You said they went to fight a war that didn’t make sense, I’m wondering.

Roger Sparks (23:45):

Yeah, I mean, I mean, sure. You know, it’s like you can look at, you know, it seems like World War I was an absolute shit show of politics, but, uh, you know, World War II seemed very real. You know, I mean like, like there was

Sevan Matossian (23:59):

Maybe even a little late to the game. Maybe even we were a little late to the game. Yeah,

Roger Sparks (24:02):

Yeah. Uh, what is that? A truth is a truth until it’s organized, you know, and, and, um, you know, projecting violence to solve problems is always a horrible thing. But human beings, I mean, we’re, we’re basically upright monkeys, you know, and we just replace rocks and sticks with, you know, technology and technology surpassed humanity long ago. You know, and, and, um, you know, I think that wars are just, however, you know, the, the reasons and the politics behind them convoluted to the point that there’s no truth. You know, It, it’s like you never understand what you need to believe. And so the only truth that really exists in war are men trying to survive it, period.

Sevan Matossian (24:44):

When when you see technology surpassed man, do you mean that all of us can go to the store and buy a cigarette lighter and burn down our city if we wanted to, but none of us could start a fire if we were left upon our own core <laugh>? I mean, that, is that an example?

Roger Sparks (24:56):

That’s a way of thinking about it. Uh, but uh,

Sevan Matossian (24:59):

Then technology’s left us way in the dust.

Roger Sparks (25:01):

Yeah. I mean, I guess a good example of that is just with predators and reapers, right? Like when you can fire a missile system from a flying video game and kill 20 or 30 civilians, you know, or just kill human beings, you know, uh, you know, there’s, there’s moral injury to that. There’s, there’s, there’s things that are going on that, that, you know, we, we have not evolved to try to process that psychologically. And so you just don’t, you know, uh, and that’s

Sevan Matossian (25:33):

The killing of human beings. We’re not, we’re not evolved to process that.

Roger Sparks (25:36):

No, no, no. We are evolved to project violence like one on one with another,

Sevan Matossian (25:40):

But I mean, to process the, to process the effect afterwards.

Roger Sparks (25:44):

Correct. You know, I think that, you know, violence has been a part of human nature since the beginning of, you know, evolution and time, right? Uh, but

Sevan Matossian (25:55):

There’s no normal people who kill other people, maybe. I don’t know. That’s a pretty, that’s a pretty interesting, Yeah,

Roger Sparks (26:01):

It’s tough. It’s tough, you know, I just, you know, we are, we are human animals and because of that, sex and violence are a part of our reality, you know? And, and un unfortunately, you know, it’s like when we have, you know, you know, we used to, you know, we evolve from tribes, you know, where you have 30 people and then now we have cities and countries, states, you know, it’s, and, and so we have to, it’s very obsolete, you know, the things that we’re fighting for, you know, even, you know, when you think about Afghanistan that we’re fighting for our freedom, you know, things are very convoluted in that sense. You know, the people that you’re fighting are uneducated, you know, third world country people or who you’re fighting, you know, you’re fighting those organizations that have projected violence on us as a country that, that, that operate as a threat to our country. And

Sevan Matossian (26:56):

I do. And, and on the flip side of that, they’re people who live day to day to really survive and are thankful for fucking everything. I’m not defending them at all. And the in the country that’s attacking them is 50% of the people who get upset if their favorite flavor of soda pop isn’t at their local seven 11 as they fucking go down there in their fucking three wheel, uh, electric chair, cuz they’ve lost the ability to walk.

Roger Sparks (27:18):


Sevan Matossian (27:18):

Right? I mean, it’s, it’s kind of a trip. They’re the retards. They appreciate life. We’re the smart drivers. We, we fucking go out of our way to destroy our lives.

Roger Sparks (27:27):

Correct. Yeah. And I mean, that just shows how powerful our country is. I think I was, I was talking to a friend about this, you know, it’s like, you know, when we look at, uh, levels of obesity or just of, of, you know, just all these problems that we create within our culture of western America, right? It just shows how powerful our country is. You know, it just shows absolutely that we can have access to the point of ignorance. You know, when you go to these third world countries and you see, you know, just the rates of, you know, sexual abuse and all these, these horrible, you know, humanity problems, you know, of just, uh, you know, like truly, you know, brutal societies that operate under very brutal, you know, strict guidelines, you know,

Sevan Matossian (28:15):

It’s more monkey than man when it comes to sex and, and violence. Yeah.

Roger Sparks (28:19):

It’s because, you know, it’s like, you know, it’s kind of like that Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and, and they have the ability, they don’t have the ability to create their own problems. You know, if they did have, you know, you know, McDonald’s and fast food and shitty choices and, and all those things, they would become us. But it’s like, you know, none of us have the answers. But I think that, uh, when I see a lot of the problems in the third world countries, you can see that there’s, there’s a beauty in the primals of the way that they’re living. Uh, and the difficulty of, you know, looking at, you know, the problems that we create here in this country, uh, or, you know, that, that we are dealing with from racial injustice to, uh, gender inequity, all these different things. Like, it shows how powerful our country is, you know, that you can, you know, go on these fad diets, you know, and all these different things. It’s like, shit, you know, you go to third world countries, people are not obese, you know, and it’s because they’re living hand to mouth. They, they have struggle. They live with significant struggle just to absolutely maintain a sense of daily living

Sevan Matossian (29:28):

And, and the luxury of worrying about covid the, it’s a luxury to worry about covid. Yeah.

Roger Sparks (29:32):


Sevan Matossian (29:32):

I mean, it’s, And how come no one in Haiti died from Covid? Oh, because they don’t eat snicker bars in soda pop.

Roger Sparks (29:38):

Yeah, exactly. I mean, when you’re like, Oh, you know, it’s like, uh, Covid is going after, you know, obese people and it’s like, well, I mean, uh, we’ve just accepted, you know, that obesity is, you know, acceptable and, and again, it’s just a, a, it’s, it’s a secondary response of just how powerful our country is. People can be.

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