Lisa-Marie Del Rio (00:00):
Same
Sevan Matossian (00:01):
Seon, Bam. We’re live. Okay. Like the number seven. Hey, when your name is Seon, um, if you can’t handle anything anyone calls you, then it’s gonna be a long, long ho. It’s gonna be a tough life. It’s, uh, I, I’ve had friends for like five years, you know, and they’ll hear someone say My, you know, Hey Seon, or, or they’ll hear someone say my name, right? And then they’ll be like, That’s not your name. Your name’s Savan. And I’m like, No, it’s Sevan. They’re like, Why haven’t you ever corrected me? I’m like, Because you, you can’t, There’s too many, there’s too, too many wrong.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (00:37):
Got it. Regal name. I’m a double name. So everybody calls me Lisa. It makes me crazy.
Sevan Matossian (00:43):
Instead of Lisa Marie.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (00:45):
Yeah. I mean, I know it’s a mouthful, but once you get to know me, it starts, gets slurred into like one conglomerate, Lisa Marie. It’s a, it’s a transition.
Sevan Matossian (00:54):
So, so, so you like Lisa Marie?
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (00:57):
I, well that’s my name. Yeah. It’s high for me. Yeah,
Sevan Matossian (01:00):
Yeah, yeah. That would suck if you didn’t like it <laugh>. Uh, and you don’t, you know, But, um, isn’t it a lot of work not to like, um, just Lisa, Like my dad’s name is Joseph and he didn’t like Joe. And I’m like, Come on man, Dude, you’re, you’re 80 or whatever,
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (01:15):
I guess. But Reg, I got a double name.
Sevan Matossian (01:20):
Look how hostile the crowd is about you already
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (01:23):
Really
Sevan Matossian (01:24):
Time for some hippy talk. I’m reading into it. I’m reading into it. Let’s see. Uh, NeoCon hippies is my favorite. Wow. Yeah. You guys, Oh, Yumi. Yumi. It’s gonna be fun. One. Um, I, uh, I I I I, I get their sentiment, but I went through your, um, Instagram mm-hmm. <affirmative> very thoroughly. And, um, it’s interesting. Are, are people, are is are the people that you attract surprised as they get to know you and see that, um, are people, Let me just start there without saying too much more. Are people surprised who come to your account and then get to know, You’re like, Whoa, this is a little different than I thought.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (02:09):
I think, um, people have a hard time, um, where to put their brains with me cuz so I’m a psychologist, so I went to school, obviously I have a doctorate in clinical psychology. And I, um, but then I found that there was so much more to people than what can be read in a book or what could be produced through a psych exam. So when you go to school to be a psychologist, they teach you all these protocol treatments and they’re really organized and then they give you all these means to test personality. And it just didn’t feel like enough for me. Like it just didn’t. And I felt like, um, you growing up Christian also growing up in a very conservative home, that it sort of put me in a box in terms of development. And so when I finally got free, there was so much more to humanity that I wanted to explore. And I think that this is a concept that only some people understand. And so whenever I create a real, one of those things actually takes me an entire week to create. So I
Sevan Matossian (03:18):
Start, Oh, that makes me so happy to hear that. Cause man, your content is so, it’s so strong. It’s so good. I can’t wait to hear more.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (03:25):
And so, um, when I get a lot of negative feedback, sometimes my dad’s like, I just don’t think that people can, um, really track. But how it works is I start with a study or two and that’s cute, but there’s not really a whole lot of appeal to when you just talk about the brain. And so then I take it a little farther and I go into evolutionary psychology. So I am an evolution psychologist by nature. I really, that’s where a lot of my gender content comes from. I believe that men and women are same, same but different. We have the same parts anatomically, but they sort of flow out differently. And then after that I go into some like union archetypes, which get a little bit more deeper and sure, yeah, there’s not a whole lot of scientific oo there, but more complex people, they can understand that so much of our humanity is understood in these deep complex archetypes are playing out in different men and women. And we kind of see that in fairytale world. And then on top of that, I sort of weave in, uh, the creation story from, uh, Genesis. And,
Sevan Matossian (04:36):
And that’s pretty bold, man. That’s pretty bold. And and that’s where I start thinking, you kind of weave this kind of, I hate to bring politics to it, but this left right side of you, it’s so, it, it’s pretty powerful. I thought you were gonna lose me right away. And instead I just, the more I watch, the more I got brought in because you do that. So kudos to you. Please. Go on. Sorry.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (04:55):
So I felt like, and I think, um, when people watch my content, they’re like, Oh, this is literal. Um, I’m actually conservative by nature. I just really understand differences. Or a lot of con or a lot of feedback that I get is, Oh, you’re just a feminist. And it really feels like that’s just a means to belittle the complexity of what I’m saying. When you immediately call me a feminist and you’re trying to shut me up. And I actually have never in the history of my life ever identified as a feminist. I feel like that’s a very temporary term for something that is larger happening. And even in, you know, women’s history and culture, there’s, you know, either this hardcore feminism which is happening in the world where women can do whatever men can do, and we don’t need that. And then there’s this soft feminism, which is homemaking and we are drastically different than men. And that’s actually not true. And science does confirm that, that men and women actually can do the same things. We have the same parts, We are anatomically similar, but the way that those things get expressed out is drastically different. And I think what I’m calling for in my content is actually a reconciliation between the genders where we learn each other’s differences and stop the war because we do need each other.
Sevan Matossian (06:15):
Um, uh, when you say genders, what do you, what is, can you def tell me what that word means. I, I ne I’ve never, um, that, that is, that’s imagina is that imagination for you, like gender is, is just like constructs ideas. Because until the last couple years when people started you like, people would ask me what gender, Like if it says that somewhere on a website, I just turn it off. Cuz I don’t know, I don’t, I I don’t know if Bigfoot has, um, hair or fur and I don’t care and I don’t care. I don’t wanna be involved in that talk cuz I just don’t wanna be bothered by it. And gender’s the same thing to me. I was j cuz I never would, I never feel like I ever do anything to let the world know I’m a man. Like, like, do you know what I mean? I, maybe I do. I’m not, If you’re gonna be like, Oh sevanna do I have some lessons for you, but I just don’t ever remember doing that. Um, I mean, I stand up and pee
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (07:09):
Sure
Sevan Matossian (07:11):
Sometimes a lot of times, but, and I, but other than that I’m try, I just can’t think of, um, but I don’t do that because I’m trying, I’m not like, Hey everyone, look what I can do. Do you know what I mean? Uh, so so what does that word mean? Gender?
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (07:26):
I think that’s where we’re getting to this idea of identity. So when it comes to gender, it’s multifaceted. I mean, there are parts of us that are anatomically sound. Men have these parts, women have these parts, and then on top of that, there’s this hormonal interplay that occurs. Men have these hormones, women have these hormones. We actually have the same just, um, one is elevated and one gender, and one is elevated in the other. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then there is, uh, some
Sevan Matossian (07:58):
Men seem to have more problem understanding that than women by the way too. But I I I’m with you. I’m with you. We’re just the same.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (08:04):
I mean, a certain type of man, a certain type of man does not understand that he has also has estrogen in his system.
Sevan Matossian (08:10):
Yeah. Or doesn’t wanna really admit how close he is to being gay. Like you’re really close.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (08:15):
Right. Well, I
Sevan Matossian (08:16):
Mean, we’re really, we’re very similar.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (08:18):
We are. So, um, and then on top of that, we, the, the way that the brain works, we have the same parts that they just play out differently. And some of that does have to do with this interplay between hormones and neurology. I also think social programming is a huge part of this. And most what I see, um, so men have a larger amygdala than women. And that’s pretty typical. So
Sevan Matossian (08:47):
What’s, what’s the amygdala?
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (08:49):
The amygdala is the part of the brain. And its only job really is to produce fear. This is very important because the human brain actually does not naturally produce happiness. We act, it’s actually happiness is actually externally motivated. So the only emotion that the brain directly creates is fear. And that is through the amygdala. So it’s evolution. Evolution has stepped forward and given people this amygdala and it’s designed to sustain life. So you operate in a certain way, um, in order to Oh, cool. Um, can,
Sevan Matossian (09:25):
Oh, it’s tiny. It’s tiny, tiny.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (09:27):
But it’s generally larger in men. So this is why men tend to be, um, a little bit more risky than women. They also tend to be a little more aggressive than women are. And, um, so when, when you are born, you have this ability as a child. And so that’s why some mothers will say, Oh, my little boy was rough. He was, he was difficult emotionally. And so parents, caregivers immediately start to suppress emotions in little boys when they’re growing up. And so like that goes into the system as the child ages. And so men are constantly trying to suppress what is they feel so deep, so deeply. So men tend to experience fear, um, deeper and depression deeper. They experience emotions deeper than women, but then they don’t know really what to do with them. So that’s sort of where, um, social programming comes in a little bit, where it’s sort of trained men to not know what to do with the complexity of what they feel.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (10:36):
And I think that that’s where the divide is happening now. Cuz this is crazy. But the suicide rate is astronomical in men. It’s four times higher in men than women. And when I read that, I was like, that cannot possibly be true. Like, that was, I went to a trauma conference and they said that, and I was shocked. And it ended up being true. So 80% of men of, uh, suicide is from men. And I think it starts with this, this complex issue that happens in the brain where men are starting to suppress their emotions. And this begins in infancy and continues on through the ages. And now we’re getting this complete breakdown of men’s mental health in the world.
Sevan Matossian (11:21):
Um, I I believe you because I, because I, and and you say it on your Instagram, I’m gonna paraphrase a little bit and I see it out in the world. So many people say stuff like this, By the way, are you on wifi?
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (11:33):
Yes.
Sevan Matossian (11:33):
Okay. The connection is just a, it’s, it’s coming in and out.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (11:38):
Okay.
Sevan Matossian (11:39):
Can you hold a close hanger and stand on one foot? No. Um, uh, um, you might not be old enough to get that joke. The, the TV sets used to have to put a close hanger on them. And
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (11:51):
Yeah, it’s before my time
Sevan Matossian (11:52):
And balance them. Um, I, I, I guess there are, there are huge swath of men out there who think that they have to do man shit to, to try to convince the world that they’re a man. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, yeah. And it’s kind of a sh it’s kind of a shame. It seems, it seems like a lot of work. Um, obviously we have our, we have our differences and it’s good to, you know, embrace them. But it seems like a lot, it would seem like so much work. And, and I, and I guess you see it on both sides too. Um, you see women who really want to let the world know that they’re a woman and they wanna embrace and they, there’s some, it almost becomes like a pathology to them.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (12:32):
Yeah. Well, I think we’re super out of alignment and I think a lot of that has to do with trauma. Okay. So, and I know that most of your, um, audiences from the CrossFit community, I came from the CrossFit community too. And so I’m
Sevan Matossian (12:49):
Just, and that was, that’s crazy. I wonder, I I always forget how I came across my guests, but then I, I, last night I saw that you were from the CrossFit community. I was like, holy shit, where did she come from? Maybe just, uh, um, Instagram knows and they’re just pushing those people to me, I think. So the algorithm,
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (13:05):
No, this is a part of, this is personal. This is part of like what happened in me is that, um, I used to be a CrossFit influencer and then, um, as most people in psychology, it’s called the rupture, where there’s a moment in time where you just lose everything. And I completely got off social media. I went into therapy for a full year to try to reconcile what happened. So historically, I only ever as a psychologist, actually only ever focused on men’s issues. There was a part that I had, definitely had a masculinity shield up. There was a part of me that had been traumatized. And I was like, if I can figure out man and why he hurt me, then I would be able to figure out myself.
Sevan Matossian (13:47):
Oh wow.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (13:49):
So I think that that’s where sometimes women are coming from. So, sure, yeah, science will confirm this, but it’s also something that I feel very deeply and, and women put up this masculinity shield. And why do you think we do that? We do that because somewhere masculinity has harmed us. And I saw it sort of playing out in the CrossFit community where there was such a motivation to promote yourself as strong and powerful on the outside. But oh my gosh, everything that is beautiful and powerful about a woman is actually this very complex, intuitive nature. This deep reading into people, this like very powerful flow that when you connect with it, that’s really where things skyrocket. And on top of that, I think the real power for men, men are, um, Sears. So y’all have this occipital lobe. It’s larger in men than in women.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (14:46):
You guys can see, men can see things so, so deeply. And even when I work with women, I tell you, I’m, I promise you he sees your power before you do. Cuz this is his strength. And I think the issue is that when trauma comes in, we stop being able to appreciate the glory and the other, and these really unique traits that the other has. And we don’t understand each other anymore. We don’t understand that the other is organically different, but also beautifully different. And so because we don’t understand each other, we tend to translate the misgivings as, um, like narcissism or something silly. But in reality it’s, it’s what we need. We just don’t know it yet. And I saw a lot of this playing out in CrossFit. And so, um, there’s a lot of beautiful things about the CrossFit community that I love.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (15:40):
But I knew that I needed to walk away and sort of come back to my own people when the time was right. And I think what’s beautiful about CrossFit is that it offers, um, o obviously a lot of physical benefits. Okay? Nobody’s gonna be able to debate the power of fitness on mental health. It is incredible. But what’s beautiful about CrossFit also is that studies show that it’s really important with, um, life satisfaction. And it also is helpful with clinical addiction, and it also improves basic enjoyment. So people with addictive personalities tend to be attracted to something called CrossFit because this, there’s this like competitive nature in CrossFit. Okay? So lo ranks us, we’re ranked nationally, and the addict brain is actually the same as the achieving brain. And so when, so like an addict, they are constantly trying to get the next hit, get the next, uh, sensation through pursuit. And that is actually present in the achieving brain too. People that are organically high achievers, they want the next thing. They want to go, go go. And so I think that that’s why addicts are generally attracted to people with addictive personalities are generally attracted to CrossFit. Um, but one thing that I found was that the motivation was skewed towards something that it didn’t need to be like more external motivations of identity muscularity ranking. Now it’s product promotion. Um, when
Sevan Matossian (17:16):
Oh yeah, you have some great lines about that on in your podcast about product promotion. It’s so good. Yeah. And even the other podcast you did with the other young lady about a year ago. Crazy. Yeah. Great stuff. We’ll get into that for sure.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (17:28):
And then, uh, but I think there, there really is a call for what was, what originally made this thing so beautiful. And that’s the connection. And I think we lost that in, um, through covid and things like that. But there is this hormone in the brain, it’s called oxytocin, and it is established when we connect with each other. And this little chemical called oxytocin, it’s the love hormone, but it’s strictly linked to neuroplasticity in the brain. So neuroplasticity is a fancy word for healing, Okay? It’s the, you know, pop psychology calls it healing, but science world will call it, um, neuroplasticity changes to the brain. And when oxytocin gets flooded into the brain, it starts this process where it, it renovates the brain and heals it from trauma exposure. And one of the main ways that it does this is that causes, uh, growth in the hippocampus, which is the part of the brain that’s for memory consolidation. So when you
Sevan Matossian (18:30):
Connect, I don’t think I have one of those
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (18:32):
<laugh>, maybe not cause of trauma, um, but
Sevan Matossian (18:36):
I just got old when oxy fucking shriveled up,
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (18:40):
Right? When oxytocin starts to flood the brain, the hippocampus starts to file away negative memories. And I think that this is
Sevan Matossian (18:49):
What, Say that last part again. I’m sorry. Wh when, what ha when you don’t have enough oxytocin, it starts filing.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (18:54):
When oxytocin starts to flood the brain mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it starts healing the hippocampus and then starts to file away bad memories.
Sevan Matossian (19:02):
Okay?
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (19:02):
So bad memories, traumatic experiences, heartache, things that happen to you as a kid, things that have taken you away.
Sevan Matossian (19:10):
And what do you mean file away?
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (19:12):
It just puts them away. They, so in what, how trauma works is, um, there’s all these memories and they stay in the front. And so we are responding to all of these negative memories constantly, and we trigger each other. We can’t move on in life. We get stuck in the same patterns. But when there’s neuro healthy neurotransmitters that flood the brain, those bad memories then are able to file away. And you’re not responding to the, to the negativity that occurred to
Sevan Matossian (19:40):
You. Okay. Okay. So that’s a good thing. When they get filed away, that’s
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (19:44):
A good thing when they get filed away. And I feel like that was the real beauty of CrossFit years ago, was this connection, this community, no other sport was able to produce what CrossFit was able to do with this connection. And I feel like it’s gotten so much off track because I think trauma sneaks in and we start responding to the charge that comes from putting our identity in external things and forgetting that there is a psychology, a soul, a study of the soul inside of people. And that’s actually the thing that is consistent throughout our entire lives. But it’s often the thing that we lose because the charge from the external and the sexiness of the false identity comes forward. But it’s all real, really just counterfeit.
Sevan Matossian (20:31):
I, I lo um, I love the fact that you’ve just taken the space of identity doctor too. I, the, the word identity is, is so, is so powerful. And if you just Google identity doctor, it’s you mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, and you’re, and you’re owning it. And, uh, by no means am am I saying this without complete, since sincerity, you’ve like embraced it, you’re owning it, you embraced it, and you’re, and you’re like, you’re hanging out there, you’re, you’re, you’re putting it all out. Um, and, and we’ll circle back to these, these posts you make that take so long to make. And it was also interesting, the part that I really got onto is the fact that your dad is, um, is, is one of your, um, maybe it seems like you have a similar relationship that I have with my mom. Like she’s one of your fans and she’s one of your, uh, comfy dances.
Sevan Matossian (21:18):
And part in your feedback, Luke, when you say there’s a girl, there was a girl who was on tour for recently and when she, I don’t remember how old she was, but she had her breasts removed and several years late, she was young, let’s say 15 or 12 or something. And then when now she’s older and she’s like, the reason why she did that is cuz she was raped and that she was do, she did that because she didn’t wanna be raped again. And she thought if she chopped her breast off, dudes wouldn’t be, wouldn’t come after. And now she’s out walking around being like, Dude, someone should have stopped me. Like, someone should have been like, Yo, there’s another way. And when I see people, that’s a really extreme case of what you were just describing, right? That basically you do something, um, uh, to try to, It’s in your hippocampus.
Sevan Matossian (22:11):
No, no, sorry, it’s not in your hippocampus. Let me show that I’m actually listening. It’s in your frontal lobe. And instead of somehow producing enough enough oxytocin or getting the therapy to produce oxytocin and follow it away, you take an external action to try to, um, manage this, uh, horrible experience that keeps popping up in your brain. Like all of a sudden it’s like there’s darkness around every corner, right? It, it, um, that paradigm that you just described, uh, could explain so fucking much of all the weird shit we see in society, including, sorry for this guys, including the tattoos, the giant holes in the ears, the piercings in the nose, the ones in the penis, the just the, um, all all that shit to kind of like ch change yourself, the fucked up, the weird haircuts that, that don’t offer symmetry, the, the weird hair dye, just all of it. Like not accepting just the beauty of who you are, just manifest.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (23:09):
Right?
Sevan Matossian (23:11):
Right. I, I really like your paradigm. I think, um, I think the world’s screwed. I think, uh, I’m gonna just start pointing that at everyone, is that maybe I should just only point it at myself. I mean, it’s such a powerful tool. Am I understanding it right.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (23:24):
That’s, I mean, that’s basically my thesis wrapped into one. I think, um, you know, obviously there’s very extreme parts of this. Okay. But then I actually feel like it’s everybody. Okay. It’s not just
Sevan Matossian (23:36):
Sure, sure. To degrees, right?
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (23:37):
Yeah. I mean, it’s not just people who have gender identity disorder. It is, everybody is lost. And I mean, oh my gosh, this question of who am I? Is this not the question that we are all asking? I mean,
Sevan Matossian (23:52):
I’m too busy for that one.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (23:53):
Well, I think it’s happened <laugh>, you admit or not? Because that’s what content creators are. I mean, you have created your own platform and it’s basically an expression of your soul, Sir. And I have created a platform because this is my story. I’m telling my story over and over again in every single reel. That’s what we do. That is a consistent part of you. And I promise that this piece has been in here since the second that you were conceived. So that actually is my theory that I believe that identity starts when we’re born and then trauma happens and it just slowly, we just slowly get off track. And sometimes that track totally pushes us to the other side. And sometimes it’s just a little bit. But that’s exactly what we’re trying to now work to, to get back to the original blueprint. So in, in Latin, this word identity, it means sameness.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (24:46):
Identity is when it, it’s, it occurs when everything’s been removed. So this rupture that occurred in my own personal life, my identity was never gonna come out unless I absolutely lost everything. And I abso I would not wish that on anybody. But identity is what exists in you after everything else has been removed. And it’s also a showcasing of what is the same in you, no matter what arena I put you in, If I put you in this space, you’d be the same person. What would be the same? What would exist if I put you in this completely different space? What would be in you? What would exist? And it’s also this spiritual part of you that is consistent, no matter your circumstances. It is like you are the same person underneath all the time. So the metaphor that I kind of like to use is the ocean.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (25:34):
So at the top of the ocean, there’s like all this chaos, okay? Seagulls, wind, waves, storm. And then as you go down, it’s actually very quiet at the bottom of the ocean. There’s no chaos, nothing’s disruptive, and that is truly where life is. I feel that that’s in humanity, identity is eternal. And because so much of us are lost because of trauma and this disruption with parental figures, we spend our entire lives trying to get to this question and put all of who we are into these temporary, counterfeit things that never really truly fill us up. But it really all starts, I mean, I’m an evolutionary psychologist, okay? So moms and dads have different roles and I think that this is the problem. So mamas are nurturers. They help children get reestablished in their own body. And so that you know that you have body autonomy as you grow.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (26:35):
This is mine. This physical thing is mine. This is a part of who I am. This physical self is mine, and mamas are really good about that. So they will teach children how to self ideally, Okay, I understand that. Not, not everybody got this. Ideally, they teach us to self soothe. They teach us to come home to our own systems. They turn, they teach us about nurturance and nurturing in the original Latin. It means to love and to perfection. And I believe that that is the role of what women are supposed to do, which is our strength. And then the father figure is really, um, more of a transitional figure. So
Sevan Matossian (27:15):
Careful, careful. No, I’m joking, I’m joking.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (27:19):
Ideally, Okay, I understand that not everybody get this. You know, not everybody, not everybody has a good dad. Um, fathers, because you guys have these ox exhibital lobes, and you can see, you will pull out what your child is gifted in. You’ll be able to say, this is Lisa Marie’s gift. She can create. She has a mastery of words. She is a nurturer. Um, so fathers are ideally supposed to like pull that thing out, pull those identity features out. And and evolutionary psychology will say that fathers really are these forces that are establishing identity in children. And then on top of that, fathers are supposed to transition children from the safe, nurturing place of the home into the world while maintaining a sense of who you are the entire time. The hard part is, is that ness is a harsh reality in our world today where so many of us did not have this. And now in my practice, I, I deal with women who are the adult realities of not having that person in your life to pull out your gifts and to help you transition from home to the world. And so as we age, we try to find counterfeit ways to produce that same sensation, but it’s not the same. And even, you know, in the CrossFit world, there’s um, when I got my L one, there was this whole series on this
Sevan Matossian (29:04):
L one yummy.
Lisa-Marie Del Rio (29:05):
Yeah. Called, um, uh, rado, my, And so I remember like researching what is this weird thing and why did they spend all this time on this disease? And I guess in the medical world it means a, um, like a disillusion of skeletal, of skeletal muscle. So it’s like a separation from muscle, from the bones actually a really scary thing that happens. And uh, this word disillusion in the original Latin, it means that dispersion of parts, it’s a separation of soul from body. So this disease that CrossFit is teaching people about that is in CrossFit metaphorically, is actually a totally, is a total disillusion of identity. And it’s happening in the CrossFit world.
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