#619 – Brian Friend vs. John Young, A Lot of Rogue Invitational Talk

Brian Friend (00:00):


Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Bam. We’re live. Who’s, Oh, there’s Caleb right there,

Brian Friend (00:06):

Right on time.

Sevan Matossian (00:07):

I was just bitching that you weren’t hearing how much I miss you. Not like bitching about you. I, I need, I need you. Classic. Yeah. Classic. Uh, what, whose program is programming? Is he doing

Brian Friend (00:18):

Coach L from BR Strength? Probably one of the better programmers who’s lesser known in the CrossFit space, is my guess.

Sevan Matossian (00:30):

Does he have an Instagram?

Brian Friend (00:31):

Oh, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (00:32):

What is it?

Brian Friend (00:35):

I think it’s just at Coach L. The L is e l

Sevan Matossian (00:39):

I I. I made this, um, uh, video yesterday for my, uh, parenting, um, uh, Instagram account and my parenting YouTube channel, which is blowing up. And I appreciate all of you guys supporting me over there. It’s pretty cool what you guys are doing. Uh, Kenneth the lap, it’s really cool to comments you’re making. Some of those videos are getting great traction. It’s like called Capable Child Consulting or something. It’s on YouTube. I only make shorts. It’s pretty cool. Anyway, um, and, and while I was over there, I made a video yesterday talking about how if you know someone that you really like in the community who’s doing something, So let’s say, let’s say you go to Brian’s gym and you really like him. The greatest thing you can do is tell other people, like all, if you have an instructor that’s your skateboarding instructor for your kids, the greatest thing you can do is tell other parents so that they will go and support the people that you like.

Sevan Matossian (01:28):

If you go to a jujitsu studio, CrossFit gym, those, those communities, those gyms only exist if you actively and aggressively tell other people about how much fun you have there. Don’t be ashamed. Do it with no shame. Oh my God, I just came from Crossroad. I can’t believe how great it is. It’s the best hour of my d I fell feel fucking great. There’s tons of beautiful guys in there. The coach is so fucking sweet today. A guy came who, uh, trains at the gym and brought me this bag of oranges that he has from his tree. All just realistic shit. These are things that other people don’t have in their lives, and you can share that with them. And it’s a healthy way to make them jealous and envious because if you bring them there, they become better people. But more importantly, you support your gym or your, or that instructor or that person who’s an entrepreneur or who’s a, they’re basically a small business owner.

Sevan Matossian (02:15):

We have to do that for each other. And I just realized, I wanna tell you something about Gabe and Travis, uh, Gabe, who owns Paper Street Coffee and Travis Belling housing. And probably to a certain extent, this is true for, for the all four of us you’re looking at here. If one of you sends a DM to Brian, it means a fucking lot to him. I’ve never talked to Brian about this, and he opens it and you’ll get a fucking thoughtful response if he has one ready for you. Every bag of coffee you order from Gabe, he’s fucking excited. This isn’t like black rifle, where there’s like fucking like five people or 20 people in the back room just bagging shit and just like counting cash. He’s excited. He puts the beans in your bag, he writes your name on it, He packages it. Same with Travis Belling housing. Him and his daughter are folding your shirt, putting it in a bag and going to the post office and mailing it. You don’t, you’re not gonna get this shit at other places. It’s like when you make a comment on my YouTube, even if you’re like, God, you’re a fucking chauvinistic asshole. I’m like, I’m like excited.

Sevan Matossian (03:18):

And so I, I just wanted to share that with you. Like, hey, the little efforts you guys make all around, um, it, it, none of it goes unnoticed. All of us are like, all these people are stoked. They can’t even believe, uh, uh, what they’re

Brian Friend (03:31):

Doing. There’s Jeff right on cue with a classic comment.

Sevan Matossian (03:35):

Um, who wants his fingers on your beans? Yay me. Put your finger on my Bean, uh, John Young, um, uh, and, uh, Brian Friend, um, and Kayla, I apologize. I’m going directly off script this morning right away. Uh, where, where do we have any news on what, what happened to Gabby Manawa? Uh, where is she going? She left the programming with, uh, Steve Austin, uh, the bionic man. And where did she land? I mean, this should be big news. She’s, uh, top 10, top five competitor in the world with, uh, I mean, I mean basically once tea gets outta the way, you know, we’re looking at a possible winner of the Crosser games.

Brian Friend (04:17):

Yeah. And, and, uh,

Sevan Matossian (04:19):

No one’s covering that shit or are they, What the hell’s going on with Lauren Kle? I went to One Chocolate yesterday to poach some fucking ideas, uh, uh, from her show, like I always do, and that she used to produce every single day. Now it’s like every three days. It’s disgusting.

Brian Friend (04:34):

<laugh>, that’s, I think that’s Plan b

Sevan Matossian (04:37):

I I, she’s on a,

John Young (04:38):

She’s on a squad cycle, so, uh, she can beat Brian.

Sevan Matossian (04:41):

I text her this morning, told her she’s slipping

Brian Friend (04:44):

<laugh> password Gabby. And I think also the same as for Hailey Adams. It seems like they’ve just been intentionally quiet.

Sevan Matossian (04:52):

Oh, good point, Hailey. Yeah.

Brian Friend (04:53):

What the fuck want? And, uh, I’m not, I’m not really sure why. I don’t know why you wouldn’t necessarily want people to know what you’re doing and people can get excited about that, especially in Gabby’s case with the Rogue Invitational coming up, obviously. Well, you know, every reason it doesn’t look like Tia’s gonna be there. So there’s already a lot of opportunity for someone like her. And if she has been training in a new environment or with a new programmer or team or whatever she’s doing, uh, I, you know, I don’t know why she wouldn’t want people to know that,

Sevan Matossian (05:24):

But we don’t know, you know, you just can’t say, I think I talked to you about that after the last show, right?

Brian Friend (05:30):

I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (05:31):

You know what, you know where Gabby went? You just won’t

Brian Friend (05:34):

Say I think so

Sevan Matossian (05:34):

You’re very close with, you’re very close with Chris Christoff from, um,

Brian Friend (05:38):

I haven’t asked him. Frozen asked him, uh, he was doing a bar must up with Yellow Host Day the other day. Those guys must weigh like 400 pounds combined and they were on one bar. Is pretty impressive that the, those bars are so impressive.

Sevan Matossian (05:51):

John, I know you’re not listening, but what Brian did is he just changed the subject. He, he, he’s trying to like creep out.

Brian Friend (05:58):

No, I thought I knew what, um, Gabby was doing where Gabby and Christoff were going to train and I thought that that would be announced and then it wasn’t announced. And so now I’m not so sure.

Sevan Matossian (06:08):

Uh, what about Haley? Similar, I see her stuff, see her stuff in her face there. I see your stuff in her interface in New York City destroying her immune system.

Brian Friend (06:19):

Yeah, I, I always take such a, I have a huge problem with all the games athletes promoting the sugar stuff all the time. Donuts and cookies. I mean, for them, I get it a little bit because they’re, you know, dialed in so much of the year, but they don’t, I I think sometimes lose sight of how big of an impact that can have on people for whom that’s a decision that can lead to a, a serious problem with their lifestyle.

Sevan Matossian (06:41):

Dude, they, they went on. It

John Young (06:43):

Could be the other way around because I mean they kinda could, they would pass for anorexic before they pass for obese. They’re promoting eating for anorexic people.

Sevan Matossian (06:53):


Brian Friend (06:53):

Debating already,

Sevan Matossian (06:54):

Hey, hey dude, it’s a crazy eat fest. They go on look at, look at, she looked like she was in, uh, me Metabo derangement right there, didn’t she? Fuck

Brian Friend (07:07):

Every one of us saw that. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (07:08):

Yeah. I shouldn’t have done, shouldn’t have put that in me. Oh,

Brian Friend (07:12):

One of the people I train, uh, this morning, I, they provide programming for messaging me a picture of crumble cookies, half eaten and said, What do you think of my breakfast? And I said, If that’s your breakfast, your rate is double for next month,

Sevan Matossian (07:24):

Good. Fuck Haley Adams as cool as shit though. Look at her. Um, you know, when I see her now I just think of her running at the games in that. What was the one where you pushed the, the weight over your head after the sprints?

Brian Friend (07:41):

Oh, shuttle to overhead A and B.

Sevan Matossian (07:43):

Yeah, man, there’s some great shots of her running there, aren’t there?

Brian Friend (07:47):


Sevan Matossian (07:48):

Just like a Worldclass athlete

Brian Friend (07:49):

Sometimes you don’t have to look like the best runner to be the best runner, but she looks like the best runner relative to the games field out there.

John Young (07:56):

It’s pretty.

Sevan Matossian (07:57):

Yeah, it’s pretty. Yeah, it’s so fun to watch her run,

Brian Friend (08:00):

But she’s spent a lot of time with Hinshaw I think in the past three, four years, you know, perfecting and dialing that in.

Sevan Matossian (08:10):

Okay, Enough, nice shit. Um, uh, let’s go over another Instagram account. Um, I didn’t tell you guys I was gonna bring this up. Uh, if you go to Bill Henneger account, Caleb, there is something that looks like a fucking rollercoaster that he’s building. <laugh> it even makes the sounds of the rollercoaster, you know, as they go up, there’s that metal bar that’s like a safety bar that clicks over each. Like it’s like click, click, What the hell is going on

John Young (08:34):

Now, Brian, do you have, uh,

Sevan Matossian (08:36):

Please tell me that’s for the CrossFitters and not for those fat juiced up dudes at the event.

John Young (08:42):

Do, do you know Brian or, or no?

Brian Friend (08:44):

I don’t know, but I don’t see why this couldn’t be used for both a strong man event and a CrossFit event.

John Young (08:50):

If I had to guess they put weights on that platform right there and then you just pull the weights down. They have this in Ninja Warrior

Sevan Matossian (08:58):

Like John Hold on one, hold on one second. Caleb, can we hear this real quick? Listen guys, listen to this thing right there, right there. You can someone, you can get rid of the sound now right there. So you can just insert screams. Ha you know, at the rollercoaster when they come down from the top,

John Young (09:22):

It does sound just like

Sevan Matossian (09:23):

A rollercoaster. And how about how the weights dump out at the end? Where do those fall? <laugh>? Crazy, right? Where do those

Brian Friend (09:31):

Fall prevent it from going over the edge? <laugh>,

Sevan Matossian (09:34):

But you see how it dumps right at the very end. Um, John, um, uh, here’s the, um, here’s the problem with that. How would they pull? Would would, are you gonna have your legs tucked under something? Because if you’re pulling it and it’s heavier than you are, then you’re gonna go up, right?

John Young (09:56):

Um, yeah, I don’t know if they’ll have it that heavy. I mean, it’s a tall contraption. You gotta pull it a long way. Ima like, if for CrossFitters, I would think you just jump and pull and then jump and pull and it’s just something that’s gonna tax your whole body doing it. They do it in the Spartan races too. Uh, uh, stuff that Hunter McIntyre does. They, they have a very like small scale one for it. Um, but if they did, if you did get, like if something was holding your legs down and they just used it like a weighted legless rope climb almost, that would be fun. But, uh, you know, I don’t, I don’t know. It’ll be fun to see.

Sevan Matossian (10:35):

Uh, Caleb, can you pull that up again? I wanna read you guys what’s posted with that. Actually, can you go back two or three posts back to the first? Brian, do you have any thoughts on what’s going on here on what this thing is gonna be?

Brian Friend (10:47):

Well, like I said, I could see them using it as a strong man implement for weight, for example. And then you could also potentially use it as more of a, you know, you might have to pull it to the top as part of a rounds for time, you know, do this plus something else multiple times. So if, you know, if you’re making something this big and you’re advertising it, that would be cool if they used the same implement in a different way for the cross a competition as a strong man competition.

Sevan Matossian (11:12):

Uh, yeah, good point. And, and then look at this. He actually wrote on their roller coaster build, we do custom first common Adrian pop AP Bosman pump to see it in action

Brian Friend (11:23):

Because that, I also, I don’t think it’s that common for rogue to advertise their new implements prior to seeing them being used in competition.

Sevan Matossian (11:32):

They, well, maybe for their own event, maybe for their own event. Did they do that with those tape, those pedestals?

John Young (11:37):

Well last year they did advertise that they were gonna make their own hill. No, we didn’t know how big it was or steep it was, but they advertised that.

Sevan Matossian (11:45):

Is that debating what you guys did right there? Okay. Can I see the next picture, Caleb

John Young (11:50):


Sevan Matossian (11:52):

There’s, there’s one more still. Oh yeah, that this one another. I don’t,

John Young (11:56):

I don’t know how they would do it, but it would be really cool if they could make it somehow sticky with your feet and it would be, and it would lock. So you could do a sled push uphill and it would get harder, harder to higher

Sevan Matossian (12:09):

Go. Hey, it’s funny you say that, that when I first saw it, I did, I thought the rope was probably just misleading and I did think it was a sled push uphill and that the reason why it clicks into place is to, is it’s like that’s it’s the lock. So Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Brian Friend (12:22):

Question, how heavy is that and how many of those can they realistically bring there?

Sevan Matossian (12:28):

Oh, well then it would only be a strong man implement, right? Oh, it’s

John Young (12:31):

Just one. That’s very true.

Brian Friend (12:34):

Unless it was

Sevan Matossian (12:35):

Brian Ru Brian ruin in everyone’s dreams.

Brian Friend (12:37):

Unless it was something like, um, I don’t know, like a broad jump where you have, you get like time trial and everyone just comes through and does it, you know, pull

John Young (12:46):

What type of an event would they do? Like a time trial thing though? Like, yet that’s how they’d have to do it for CrossFit, but I don’t know what you would

Brian Friend (12:53):

Yeah, but I mean, I I’m just trying

Sevan Matossian (12:55):

To think. Final event. Four guys left

Brian Friend (12:57):

A monstrous thing, so I can’t imagine them having 10 of those.

Sevan Matossian (13:01):

No, I can’t imagine them having two. Hey, that thing’s obviously designed right? That’s, that’s in, I’m guessing that’s in Columbus and that thing’s obviously designed to slide right in the back of a semi, right?

Brian Friend (13:15):

<laugh>? It looks like it. They’re not taking that apart, are they? What do you do with that after the fact?

John Young (13:22):

I guess you could

Sevan Matossian (13:23):

Bill Edgar’s a strip, isn’t he? He’s kind of like the Elon Musk of

Brian Friend (13:27):

Something on the left of it. All that wood.

Sevan Matossian (13:29):

I hope he’s getting really weird. I hope he washes Bill like washes his hands like 40 times a day and shit.

Brian Friend (13:34):

We think that is

Sevan Matossian (13:36):

That wooden thing. Yeah, I don’t know, but I want that in my backyard. I love that thing. What I, those joints make me hard, you know, like those part where the wood go. Don’t you guys love that hardware? You gotta love that Caleb.

Brian Friend (13:48):

Jeff. Bianco’s getting hard right now too.

Sevan Matossian (13:50):

I just wanna put that shit together. You know who that is, Brian? No.

Brian Friend (13:54):

Well maybe,

Sevan Matossian (13:55):


Brian Friend (13:56):

I think I do.

Sevan Matossian (13:57):

You do know who it

Brian Friend (13:58):


John Young (13:59):

I have no idea who he is, but he knows me.

Brian Friend (14:02):


Sevan Matossian (14:03):

He wants to tongue your anus.

John Young (14:04):

He loves you John. Goodness.

Sevan Matossian (14:08):

I e every show one of the moderators is like, do we kick this guy out? No one knows what to do with him. Uh,

John Young (14:15):

Keeping for comedic effect, I think

Sevan Matossian (14:16):

So we don’t know what’s happening to Gabby and we don’t know what’s happening to um, uh, Hailey Adams and Brian is two PC to guests, so we’ll turn to John Young for this. John, where are they? Just guess where they’re going for me. If you’re, if you had to be like, okay Gabby, get over the enough fucking around, get over there and training. Think Tank and Haley get up there with h wpo enough of this nonsense.

John Young (14:39):

I think

Sevan Matossian (14:40):

That would be, where would you send them if you were to send them to their rooms?

John Young (14:42):

That would be the worst thing for Hailey to go to h wpo in my opinion.

Sevan Matossian (14:47):

Just her and Ma would just, it’s like when you have sex with the ruins, all the tension

John Young (14:52):

Mal is already better than Haley right now. I do. I don’t see a world if Haley joins their training camp where Mal improves endurance, cuz Haley’s better than her at Endurance. The thing that Haley has to work on is strength. And I just think all the CrossFit stuff like MA’s already better than Haley. Now I don’t see Haley jumping the gap in beating her ever if they are in the same training camp. I just, maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see that happening in the same training camp.

Sevan Matossian (15:21):

She becomes Mals like, just like one of the tools in Mals shed if she goes up there is what you’re saying? Yeah,

Brian Friend (15:28):

Well this, I mean I, I hear what he is saying, but at the same time, you know, Brooke and Tia ended up training together and you know, you know, was it Brooke’s intention to ever be better than Tia? And if that was case,

John Young (15:40):

Not Tia’s not

Brian Friend (15:41):

Well, I’m just saying it’s a, it’s a, we don’t have a lot of similar comparisons to draw to, but we have, we don’t, we have a similar a situation there where Tia was the one to beat. Brooke was a, you know, perennial top 10 games athlete who was obviously trying to improve year after year and she chose to go and be with Tia. Maybe not to beat Tia, but to be, she thought maybe that was the best environment for her to improve.

John Young (16:02):

I guess I’m, I’m, I’m kind of thinking of like Kapa Neil Maddox, like they were together for a while, right? And Kapa was better than Neil and it just, and Neil never made that jump ever. And I, I, I would see that happening with different scenarios, but I see that happening. If Haley were to join the hard work pays off team, sure she would get better and stronger probably, but I don’t see her ever beating Mal in that scenario.

Brian Friend (16:30):

Could she go there for a year or two, learn some things that she may not be able to learn somewhere else and then move on. Just

John Young (16:37):

If I were her, I would go to James Townsend.

Sevan Matossian (16:41):

By the way, that picture from, of him from the crash crucible, he’s huge. I didn’t realize he’s so big. I knew he is. He’s, no,

John Young (16:48):

He’s James Townsend. If there’s one thing he’s amazing at, it’s making people strong. Look at freaking tutor, uh, Mal didn’t get stronger.

Sevan Matossian (16:58):

Uh, look at his kids, look at his fucking

John Young (17:00):

Kids. She got, she moves better like with Olympic living, but she didn’t get stronger with working with Matt.

Sevan Matossian (17:05):

Let me ask you this. I think the distinction, what you guys are talking about is this are, this is a loaded question. Um, are you guys suggesting that Brooke goes to proven knowing that she’ll never beat Tia and that that,

Brian Friend (17:19):

But also knowing that that might be the her best chance to make a podium or to improve even if it means not if it, you know, if it doesn’t mean beating Tia.

Sevan Matossian (17:26):

Isn’t that weird? I wonder if that’s one of the only athletes in the world who trains like that, if that’s true. And but before we get to that, let me ask you this. And then on the other side, what you’re also both of you are suggesting is that Haley wouldn’t go to h wpo thinking, Hey, I’m never gonna beat Ma. She’s not there in her career yet where Brooke might be there in her career and accept that.

John Young (17:48):

Well, I mean, Tia’s just, nobody’s going to beat Tia Tia’s so far above everybody else. Like in Brooke’s scenario, it’s like, man, if I just get close to her in workouts, I’m beating everybody else, then like it makes sense for Brooke. It, I mean, it would make sense for any girl in the women’s field to train with Tia. That’s how far head shift. Everybody. Mal is not the same case.

Brian Friend (18:09):

This, this comment from Clive really depends on how you define failure.

Sevan Matossian (18:13):

I mean, I agree. I think Clive missed the point on that

Brian Friend (18:16):

One. Yeah, and I think what John is suggesting is that if you’re an athlete like Haley, and there are many other athletes like this too, who have a pretty well rounded skill set and you’re, but you’re not getting strong and you wanna get strong in a short period of time. This guy seems to be able to do that with young athletes.

Sevan Matossian (18:33):

It would be, it would be really cool. Uh, Mike Halpin, um, it would be really cool at Mike Halpin if, if we could find out if Tia how, if Haley Adams put 20 pounds on her shoulder to overhead, 20 pounds on her deadlift, 20 pounds, just, just make her a stronger version if she wins the games, if she beats Tia and what that number looks like.

John Young (18:55):

She doesn’t beat Tia, but she might get second.

Sevan Matossian (19:01):

Yeah, get it. Get, And I bet you it’s not, I bet you it’s not a lot of weight. I bet you it’s not a lot.

John Young (19:06):

I would say 30 pounds on her front squat would fix every single problem she has.

Sevan Matossian (19:10):

Okay. How, how about this, what do you guys think about this? Hailey Adams again,

Brian Friend (19:15):

It’s, it’s a similar situation because Ben’s done a lot of work with Laura.

Sevan Matossian (19:21):

Oh, oh, oh, meaning Laura is is would be just a mal.

Brian Friend (19:24):

Yeah, it’s another, it’s another athlete that she’s chasing.

Sevan Matossian (19:27):

Yeah. So do you just leave her at Mayhem?

John Young (19:29):

She’ll stay the same fifth place at Mayhem. I think it, I think it’s proven that mayhem is not going to make her stronger. And like, if you really think about it, and this is nothing Againsts Mayhem. They made people super fit, but who has gotten strong that

Brian Friend (19:46):

Mayhem? Chase Hill, Luke

John Young (19:47):

Parker had a 300 pound snatch before he went there.

Sevan Matossian (19:50):

Tyler Christopher, he’s strong as shit,

John Young (19:52):

Isn’t he? He was strong before he got there. He’s not just, I’m talking like weren’t strong and then got strong.

Sevan Matossian (19:58):

Uh oh. Oh. And and how about this kid? What about the, Oh, here we go. Here we go. Finally. It’s been a, it’s been a long time. The show has missed you. You’ve never said, you’ve never said anything dumb. You’re, you’re, you’re 75 and oh for smart shit, Mr. Jamal Smith.

Speaker 4 (20:14):

So I was, uh, listening when y’all were talking about how, uh, y’all were seeing Tia and Brooke were doing that comparison to and uh, but would you think a better comparison would be how Amanda Barnhart went up with to comp train to where it was kind of like that iron sharp iron and comes out on top, you know, comes out on top in that way?

Brian Friend (20:41):

It’s an, it’s another good example and I, I guess I had not really considered it with those two for some reason. The, the fact that the thought of them training together never seemed confrontational to me. I’m not, they’re they’re,

John Young (20:51):

They’re very different in their weaknesses.

Sevan Matossian (20:54):

What happened there? Jamal? Did, did Amanda get better going up there because I’m, I’m making the assumption that Catch was the better athlete.

Speaker 4 (21:01):

I mean, I feel like they would build off each other a little bit even though they had the separate coaches with been and uh, it was, uh, Harry Polly, Correct? I mean I’m sure there was mul, there’s, I’m sure there was times where they did have, um, you know, training sessions together and kind of build off each other.

John Young (21:20):

So from my understanding, and Brian, you can correct me if I’m wrong, but the people that are with Harry do not mix with the people that are with Ben very often. Um, they do have training camps together, but it’s like two weeks at a time and then the rest they’re by themselves and they have different coaches. It’s just under the same comp train umbrella.

Brian Friend (21:40):

That might be right. I’m not a hundred percent sure because

John Young (21:43):

Like Sam qu, every single time I’ve ever heard him talk or every time I messaged him on Instagram, he is by himself training. He is not with anybody else.

Sevan Matossian (21:53):

Uh, Mr. Jamal Smith, thank you for the thoughtful question.

Speaker 4 (21:56):

Okay, no problem.

Sevan Matossian (22:00):

Thank you Brian. Uh, uh, has anyone noticed that Barnhardt Spiegel never interact with each other? Uh, is there Yes, they have different, uh, moral, um, moral standards, uh, rogue equipment. Where’s Gabby going? Where would you send Gabby? Let’s, let’s up with Brian A. Little bit. Brian, where would you send Gabby if no one, if no one was listening? Pretend like no one’s listening. That’s

John Young (22:23):

A great question.

Brian Friend (22:24):

That is a great question. Um, I’ll be honest, I’m like, I am a little surprised that the, that she left the, the program and I don’t know enough about what it was like there. I think definitely she’s still in a stage of her career where having eyes on coach, you know, someone there with her while she’s training is gonna be advantageous to her as opposed to remote coaching or sending into videos and stuff like that. Um, so, but if she, you know, there could be any number of reasons why she wanted to leave there and it could be personal and not have anything to do with fitness for all we know. But wherever she goes, I would, I would think that being in a place where she can do a majority of her training with her coach, having the ability to see her is probably important right now.

Sevan Matossian (23:07):

Now I’m sorry, I’m, I didn’t, I didn’t, I didn’t, I didn’t pick up on a camp there. Which camp did you say? Which coach did you say?

Brian Friend (23:12):

Well, there is, I don’t know that there is necessarily a camp that I would send her to because, uh, you know, for a lot of the reasons that we’ve already talked about, most of these well established camps already have one or two athletes that are contending for the top 10. And I don’t necessarily think that that’s what you needs.

Sevan Matossian (23:31):

I’m gonna say send her to underdogs,

Brian Friend (23:35):

Which I guess you’d have to be willing to move to the US and I don’t know if that’s practical possible or or appealing to them.

Sevan Matossian (23:43):

Of course,

John Young (23:44):

Yeah. Location has a lot to lot to deal with it too. Whatever. Uh, but I could see her training with Laura. I don’t think she’d ever pass Laura the same kind of scenario, but she Laura’s with, Is she with Ben Krypton or just trains with them? I don’t know the details with that. I know she just

Sevan Matossian (24:02):

Trains. She’s coming on the podcast tomorrow. I’ll ask her.

Brian Friend (24:05):

Okay. Who is,

Sevan Matossian (24:07):

Uh, Laura Hvat?

Brian Friend (24:07):

Is she really?

Sevan Matossian (24:08):


Brian Friend (24:09):


Sevan Matossian (24:12):

Um, Send Hailey to Sarah Cox. I I I it’s it’s an option. It’s an option. Make it happen. Um, Caleb, can you pull up Matt Fraser’s, um, Instagram account? Oh no, no, sorry. The H WPO Instagram account. Um, and, uh, four, uh, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 posts back. Um, it shows him and Katherine, um, leaning over a box together and a handful of people sent me this and I, I think I agree with their sentiment. Um, go ahead and watch this in and let me know what you guys, I I don’t wanna give you plant any seeds be besides

John Young (24:49):

Oh, is this when we’re talking about the snatching?

Sevan Matossian (24:51):

Yeah. Will you hit the audio please?

Speaker 5 (24:56):

There’s your elbows. And then again, it’s from here, keeping that bar against your thigh so that you push back underneath. It’s already close all the way up. And then is that just for the lots? So building, engaging the lots. Um, but staying to the bar and it’s gonna be a mental cue, but the biggest thing is just so that when it’s, here’s not momentum coming in a and then the momentum going away, you just want all the velocity going straight up. So keeping it here and fixing that pole so that the barge staying close. Cause right now it’s out in front. Big bump back out in front. Yeah. You’re in a position where you can’t use your pole the whole way through. Yeah, it’s just a bump.

Sevan Matossian (25:42):

Okay, pause. Um, any thoughts on that when you see that

John Young (25:48):

My, I I have strong thoughts on this.

Sevan Matossian (25:51):

Okay. Please,

John Young (25:52):

Do you wanna go first Brian?

Brian Friend (25:54):

No, mine are

John Young (25:55):

My, my thought. What, what are people doing if they’re like, Man, I never heard that before. Every Olympic lifting coach says the exact, like that’s how, Wait,

Brian Friend (26:03):

Wait. It’s not even every Olympic lifting coach. This sounds like a conversation I have with people in my gym the first day that ever tried to snatch,

John Young (26:09):

Right? Listen and Brian barely snatch 180 5 or trying

Brian Friend (26:14):

And say damn proud of us

John Young (26:14):

Too. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Right. I’m glad I got the wait. Right, but, and he could say the same thing to people if Cat, this ain’t in Kathryn’s, like, this is how I snatch. Like what are you doing?

Brian Friend (26:26):

Like I will say this, I will say this. Sometimes it does happen where you spend so much time with someone and you’re trying to com communicate the same message to them over and over and over again. And

John Young (26:37):

Somebody else comes and

Brian Friend (26:38):

Says, someone comes in, says the same thing and you watch ’em immediately get it and you’re just like, What the fuck? Like, are you kidding me? But at the same time, you’re happy because you’re like, okay, fine, whatever. As long as it got, it’s some somewhere. But when you’re talking about someone who’s won the cross the games twice, it’s like, this is g this is the conversation that’s going on at the 10th and 12th year of her career.

Sevan Matossian (26:57):

Let, let me, let me, um, uh, when, when, let me kind of play devil’s advocate here cuz I was tripping when I saw that too for exactly what, um, uh, both you guys are saying this is like, you’ve been doing CrossFit for a month and then you, and you go into an affiliate or you go your L one and this is like just ba this is like the beginning. Um, when she went to, um, Yami up in i in Ireland, Iceland, when she went to Yami and Iceland, I, I don’t wanna misquote him, but there was something in there where he was saying like, Hey, this is gonna take more than a year to fix. Basically the problems that I see are gonna require some serious unwinding and this is gonna take more than a year to fix. This is nothing we can, the, the bad habits or whatever she’s picked up in her career up to that point, we’re gonna take some while a while to unwind.

Sevan Matossian (27:44):

Is that, is that Yeah. Is that what we’re seeing? Just some like serious fucking unwinding. I mean, and is it, maybe it’s fair just to go back to the, I mean this is super fundamental shit he’s sharing with her. It’s kind of weird. They’re even saying it with a straight face. I can’t tell the point of this video <laugh>, I can’t tell if it’s good for her brand or if they were trying to share like it almost seems staged it so fundamental or, or is this something that every athlete could use? I mean, should someone be harping on Rich? Hey, stop bending your arms on the pool,

John Young (28:15):

You know? Well, and I mean Rich has been told that a lot and Rich can say, and Rich will say, I know I’ve been my arms, I’m alright. Like, you know what I mean? Like, he, he snatched 300 pounds, you probably don’t care. Right? And like there’s sometimes where I’m like, man, there’s like eight things wrong, but let’s focus on like the main two things and not worry about the other six things that, that way you don’t overwhelm somebody. But Katherine’s been able to snatch 200 pounds, which is always really good. Her snatch is one of her better lifts. She’s very good over head. So it is possible that just nobody tried to fix her because she was already strong enough in the CrossFit field. And then maybe Matt sees we could snatch two 15 if you would just get it right. You know what I’m saying? And no, and that hasn’t never happened before. It’s crazy if that hasn’t happened before. But, um, I could see that as a,

Brian Friend (29:09):

And I’m sure that there were have always been a lot of people doing this, but Ben Bergron has regularly, and I’m talking about like, you know, going back years and years now, talked about that there was a, a prerequisite, like if you wanted to make regionals as a woman or a man that you needed to have a cleaning jerk of X number and you needed to have a snatch of X number. And so, so then they would be basically tracking that and along with other metrics and like John saying probably Katherine was always well with well above the threshold for a snatch for a female in the sport. Uh, you know, to be able to get to the stage. Does she wanna get to the counter? Is to that would say, Okay, well if they weren’t working on that, then what were they working on? And obviously we’ve seen over the course of her career that she’s continued to have the same deficiencies.

Sevan Matossian (29:55):

O okay. <laugh>. Um, I mean, I mean I, I like the discussion.

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