#606 – HillerFit Review Show

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Yeah, bam. We’re live. Bam. We’re live. Bam. We’re live.

Andrew Hiller (00:02):

He, he sent me two links and I was like, where the hell is he?

Sevan Matossian (00:06):

<laugh> oh, I did send you two links.

Andrew Hiller (00:08):

Uh, yeah, I got two links and I was sitting in the other room. Like where the fuck is he? I wanna

Sevan Matossian (00:14):

Be late. Oh, are they different? Oh shit.

Andrew Hiller (00:16):

Um, I don’t, I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (00:18):

Oh, I think that, that other Link’s probably from yesterday. Oh no, Nope.

Andrew Hiller (00:22):

It says yes. I need a link. Yes

Sevan Matossian (00:25):

<laugh> yeah. Wow. Wow. That TRT really is working. Uh, you have some serious confidence to wear that

Andrew Hiller (00:32):

Shirt. <laugh> you like this? I, I was at a golf outing today. This is, this is what I wanted that, you know, what else I noticed is that my waist is so big that I can’t button this button anymore.

Sevan Matossian (00:43):


Andrew Hiller (00:43):

I’ve been throwing on some muscle mask down in my waist.

Sevan Matossian (00:46):

What is that? Are you deadlift a lot?

Andrew Hiller (00:50):

Uh, just the, just the normal once a week back squat, once a week heavy.

Sevan Matossian (00:55):

What’s that made of that jacket?

Andrew Hiller (00:58):

Good question.

Sevan Matossian (01:00):

That’s comfortable on your skin. It looks like a wetsuit.

Andrew Hiller (01:04):

Um, I can’t read that. I don’t know, but yeah, it’s comfortable. It kind of feels like a wetsuit, but it’s, um, something between that and what a Halloween costume it’s pretty comfortable. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (01:16):

Oh God, I would so love it. If that’s stuck the ambiguously gay duo, can you just say just gay duo? Can you just call us the gay duo?

Andrew Hiller (01:24):

What’s ambiguous mean?

Sevan Matossian (01:27):

Just like, I think like uncertain, like not quite gay, just like, like we’re on the down low. I think <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (01:34):

Just, don’t just, don’t tell our, just tell our wives.

Sevan Matossian (01:37):

You’re really in the room next door, but we pretend like we’re another op thousands of miles away from each other.

Andrew Hiller (01:43):

Yeah. Pretend this is my garage. It’s actually your like side house.

Sevan Matossian (01:47):


Andrew Hiller (01:48):

It’s perfect. We’ve known each other the entire time. It’s a giant thing. We’ve got going, throwing the CrossFit world under. They don’t know us.

Sevan Matossian (01:56):

I watch all the videos except uh, let me show you which one it’s really an impressive outfit. Is it most recent one? Which all your videos. It’s a crazy, oh, Hey. It’s crazy that some, that, that hopper letter that they wrote is insane.

Andrew Hiller (02:20):

<laugh> are you talking to me?

Sevan Matossian (02:22):

I mean, they’re so, uh, lucky camera straps. 7 99 for Hillers mustache. Thank you.

Andrew Hiller (02:26):

Are those the leather camera straps. They gotta be. I’ve seen those. They’re cool. Looking

Sevan Matossian (02:32):

That guy. That guy always gives good donations. I mean, all the donations are good.

Andrew Hiller (02:37):

My photographer buddy wears something that looks like that. His name is fury photography. He’s got the cool camera straps. And I wonder if they’re lucky camera straps.

Sevan Matossian (02:48):

They’re not, they should be. I didn’t wa this challenge accepted. I haven’t seen that and this, uh, make CrossFit great. Again. I haven’t seen that.

Andrew Hiller (02:59):

Uh, I actually, we don’t have to watch the CrossFit one, the one I just put up, but if you go to maybe eight minutes in, you can see what I did with it real quick.

Sevan Matossian (03:10):

This newest one

Andrew Hiller (03:12):

Uhhuh. We can start with that. It’s pretty cool. I’m pretty proud of this one.

Sevan Matossian (03:17):

Hold on one

Andrew Hiller (03:18):

Second. Let’s see if you go to, uh, 13 minutes in and pause it. You can see what I did with it there. No, go back a little bit. That was better. The big one is the entire screen fills up with red and black there, right there. That’s good. That’s it for a little bit. Next

Andrew Hiller (03:37):

Is 19 SLOs. 25 minute workout with the running on the walls and the jump rope. I think that this entire

Andrew Hiller (03:44):

That’s it.

Sevan Matossian (03:45):

You like this?

Andrew Hiller (03:46):

What do you mean?

Sevan Matossian (03:48):


Andrew Hiller (03:51):

You don’t have time to read anything on

Sevan Matossian (03:52):

There, dude. I, that H WPO, but only if you can afford it video, almost fucking had to blow my brains out.

Andrew Hiller (04:00):

Why was it boring?

Sevan Matossian (04:01):

Oh my God. It has 16,000 views already.

Andrew Hiller (04:05):

Why did you have to blow your brains out then?

Sevan Matossian (04:07):

Because I just don’t give a, I don’t give a fuck about programming every time I do that show with Taylor and, uh, Jr. I have to be put on suicide watch for 24 hours.

Andrew Hiller (04:16):

<laugh> you tell your wife, it’s like, all right, making sure you watch out for

Sevan Matossian (04:19):

Me. I be out. Watch me hours.

Andrew Hiller (04:21):

The next 24. I’m on your watch. Yeah. So this is me in that video, someone in the comment section goes, I’d like to see you do something better. So this is my attempt at writing better programming for a theoretical competition. That’s what that was.

Sevan Matossian (04:34):

Hey, it’s so blatant that that hopper email is directed at you and then to not use your name just makes them pussies and cowards. But on top of that, then to say, why don’t you do it? Those are like, that’s like, excuse me. I’m telling you, your pants are down and your dicks hanging out. And you’re like, well, you sleep naked. Uh, okay, can we we’ll talk about that later. Uh, we’re in the middle of town square and your pants are down. I mean, that’s the kind of shit your wife says to you. Like when she’s fucking a week before a period comes,

Andrew Hiller (05:13):

Um, go deeper. I’m not sure I got

Sevan Matossian (05:16):

It. Meaning it doesn’t like they’re on the fucking attack. When, when you’re, you’re telling them something about themselves, you’re like, Hey, uh, I noticed something was wrong over there. Can you do better? Doesn’t matter whether you can do better or not. No, I can’t. Now let’s get back to the point. Uh, you fucked this up. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (05:35):

Uh I’ll what

Sevan Matossian (05:38):

If you just said no, I suck it judging. I’m just really good at doing it from VI video camera. Now, what? I’m really good at pointing out your shortcomings on YouTube. That’s actually my specialty and I’m fucking you up.

Andrew Hiller (05:51):

That’s pretty good right there.

Sevan Matossian (05:53):

And you’re just being, and you’re just being fucking defen and you’re just being fucking defensive. I mean, it’s crazy.

Andrew Hiller (06:00):

The biggest thing is within that email, they say

Sevan Matossian (06:02):

That, and that’s the kinda shit your wife does choose. Sorry. You’ll be like, oh honey, you left the front door open. Well, you left the back door open three weeks ago on a Sunday at three o’clock. And you’re like, all right,

Andrew Hiller (06:11):

Guilty. You’ve been waiting for that, huh?

Sevan Matossian (06:13):


Andrew Hiller (06:13):

I don’t me now.

Sevan Matossian (06:15):

You’re like, okay, I hear you. I, I left it open. Uh, good. Okay. Now we, you ever

Andrew Hiller (06:19):

Gonna turn off that light? It’s like,

Sevan Matossian (06:21):

Uh, let me guess you’re gonna start bleeding in six days.

Andrew Hiller (06:25):


Sevan Matossian (06:26):

The time had started said, I said it, Heidi. <laugh> okay. Sorry. Or are you gonna say, sorry, I’m go in

Andrew Hiller (06:32):

Email. They, they say the only people who they have judging the individuals are the people with the keenest site for bad movement being the red shirts at the level one seminars. And then they also say that if you wanna make a difference, start at your local competition and then reach out. And maybe by the chance of the grace of God will have you somewhere at the competition of the CrossFit games, but they’re fighting themselves there because if somebody really wanted to make a difference, they’d wanna like make their way into the limelight. They want to be the one calling no reps on the people that I make videos on. Mostly the Danny Spiegels of the world, the catching David’s daughters of the world, right. That that’s who they would want there. But they also said in that email that they don’t allow those people to judge. So how the fuck are you supposed to say one thing? And then I’ll also tell you to go that route to get there, which is impossible.

Sevan Matossian (07:26):

Hey, I got something for you has,

Andrew Hiller (07:28):

Well also talking about me.

Sevan Matossian (07:29):

Hey, I, I have, I have something for you then. Has the games athlete ever gone back and judged? Has the individual athlete ever gone back and judged the games?

Andrew Hiller (07:38):


Sevan Matossian (07:39):

Do we know that

Andrew Hiller (07:40):


Sevan Matossian (07:40):

Would, someone knows that Hobart

Andrew Hiller (07:41):

Ever judged Hobart would be probably the closest, right? Cause he he’s a level. He’s a red shirt guy.

Sevan Matossian (07:47):

He’s a level 17.

Andrew Hiller (07:48):

Or like maybe Austin ALO or

Sevan Matossian (07:51):

Who’s the lady, the one cool thing about it. The, the lady tells you, like, we know who the lady is, who wrote it, right. Her name’s like Betsy.

Andrew Hiller (07:59):

Yeah, it’s on the article. And somebody said that I should be on her team, but I haven’t heard shit from her. So

Sevan Matossian (08:05):

Bet that that part is you should

Andrew Hiller (08:06):

Be on the same team.

Sevan Matossian (08:08):

Betsy. I wonder if Betsy worked there when I worked there, who the fuck is Betsy

Andrew Hiller (08:12):

To be entirely fair. I got, I had a remembrance of this today is that my criticisms aren’t all that much. At the level of the CrossFit games, they were of the online season, leading up to the CrossFit games, the open the quarter finals. The semi-finals because

Sevan Matossian (08:27):

You don’t consider that the CrossFit games

Andrew Hiller (08:29):

It’s the season, I suppose, but it’s not at the CrossFit games. And I felt like that article was pretty CrossFit games specific.

Sevan Matossian (08:39):

I, I, I think that, uh, I E either way, either way fine. I hear you. I don’t care how you pars Parson, parcel Parson, Parson, chop. They

Andrew Hiller (08:49):

Are still talking about me. They should have said my name. This is gonna be another one of those. Say my name.

Sevan Matossian (08:54):

And, and it’s like, Hey dude, like, you’re, it makes no sense to say, um, like what if a cop gave you a ticket? And you’re like, oh, like to see you drive down that road slower, like, oh, let me see. How often do you stop at that stop sign. Shut the fuck up. I was sitting here, you ran the stop sign. Here’s your ticket. I mean, it’s you go? It’s so low intellectual capacity, emotional, retarded. I’ll have to throw it in the woke bucket.

Andrew Hiller (09:22):

<laugh> did I say in, I think in the description, something the other day told me that they didn’t even know. I write descriptions in those videos, but I’ve had descriptions in each of the videos. And I think in there, I said, what is this third grade? Like, they’re really gonna do this shit. I think I said something along the lines. No, I said it in the video.

Sevan Matossian (09:39):

It’s amazing. It

Andrew Hiller (09:40):

Was, uh, imagine you, she, your pants and everyone, all days talking about the person who she, their pants and you go home, like, holy shit. They were talking about me that whole time. Why didn’t they just tell me I would’ve fixed it?

Sevan Matossian (09:49):

Who was that? You, you looked at the camera and you’re like, uh, not a made up, not a hypothetical story.

Andrew Hiller (09:54):

That was, I actually made it up that

Sevan Matossian (09:57):

I made.

Andrew Hiller (09:57):

That was one of those things. I sometimes I surprise myself with my ability to just talk about stuff that I’m making up on the fly.

Sevan Matossian (10:05):

Oh, <laugh> um, you think ALA, Kai, that there may have been some home cooking you guy. There’s a guy named ALA. Kai is in the Madrid. Um, uh, the Madrid CrossFit championship, a cool dude. It was a guy we were joking around and calling him anal, an Ola, Kai, uh, and he, whatever place he took in that competition, he basically in that final event, he beat a guy and took $7,000 away from him. But when you, I don’t

Andrew Hiller (10:33):

Don’t think I have reason to believe based upon things that I’ve heard from competitions held in basic. I mean, you could even say it about north America. Um, you, you hear these people who are close to the competition, talking about the pride of certain regions of certain countries and the judges on those sides, wanting people to win. You heard a lot about it during the semifinal times too. And, but this is one of those things where I don’t have enough evidence similar to the thing we did yesterday. Hug O Hannah. I felt I had enough to make something on it, although it’s not concrete. This is too far from concrete to make a video on it.

Sevan Matossian (11:12):

We just need to judge looking at the, um, camera and in Spanish saying, uh, yes, I refuse to know rep a fellow Countryman

Andrew Hiller (11:22):

Coper was, uh, something that was pretty hot on that. If I recall, I had a lot of people talking to me about that in the country ship.

Sevan Matossian (11:29):

What, uh, uh, uh, coper was, where was that? Australia? What’s coper

Andrew Hiller (11:33):

Semifinal in Brazil. That’s where GE that’s where GE was. I don’t know if it was in Brazil. There we go again with me not knowing shit. I know GE was there,

Sevan Matossian (11:42):

Right? <laugh> if Gee’s there, it was in Brazil. I find it hard to believe there would be some home cooking, but either way I thought that was,

Andrew Hiller (11:49):

Oh, come on. You fucking kidding me. You find it hard to believe. Why do you say that? What, what, what do you got over there from CrossFit back end that you know about? That makes it hard to believe.

Sevan Matossian (12:00):

I’m just, I, if I, if I’m, if I’m judging you and I wanna like, and I see you don’t do a rep and I wanna give you the, the bro rep and let it slide. I would still be like, well, fuck there’s cameras and people here.

Andrew Hiller (12:17):

Yeah. Okay. So it’s not anything, you know, from, I thought that was one of

Sevan Matossian (12:20):

Those. No, no, no, no. I know

Andrew Hiller (12:21):


Sevan Matossian (12:22):

Dave NRO

Andrew Hiller (12:22):

And the concert games. Wouldn’t any drug tests. You’re outta your mind Hiller.

Sevan Matossian (12:27):

Well, I do know that. I knew that he doesn’t do that. Yeah. That’s good. Oh, look, Hannah’s in here. Hannah’s in here. Oh, no. Huh. Hey, I just, I just, I don’t think I would give some, I just can’t imagine me giving someone a bro rep with all the world watching.

Andrew Hiller (12:42):

So the other day it was last weekend, Mexican something day, CCO de Mayo, number one, was it St it was not Cinco de Mayo. Oh, like Spanish independence day or something like that. I don’t know what the weekend was last weekend, but Chicagoland area everywhere. I went, there were Mexican flags being flown in their cars, like on their cars. And then I also heard there was some stuff going on and I don’t understand what it is to be as, um, what is it? A patriotic. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (13:13):


Andrew Hiller (13:14):

It’s not something that’s in me. It doesn’t sound like it’s something that’s in you, but I can imagine there’s a world where it’s within the judge and we just don’t get it.

Sevan Matossian (13:23):

Or maybe, maybe they don’t wanna get killed.

Andrew Hiller (13:26):

Well, I guess there’s that too.

Sevan Matossian (13:29):

Hey, this is the flag you saw. You saw this flag.

Andrew Hiller (13:31):

Yep. There was it everywhere there was flying. ’em outta their cars. And I was like, what’s going on? So I Googled it and then I, it was some day.

Sevan Matossian (13:40):

Oh, it wasn’t like they won a soccer game.

Andrew Hiller (13:44):

Um, see it was a day. No, it was a day. I know that much. I don’t know much more. Maybe I always look at the comments. Section Mexican independence day says Tommy mark, Tommy Mar. Nice.

Sevan Matossian (13:54):

You know, the, the fails, uh, part two video. You see some people overhead squatting, um, like their kids on the roof of their house. But that, that wasn’t a real photo. I just wanna say that.

Andrew Hiller (14:05):

How can you

Sevan Matossian (14:06):

Tell I can’t

Andrew Hiller (14:08):


Sevan Matossian (14:09):

I refuse to believe that that, that, that that’s, that that happened.

Andrew Hiller (14:13):

Do you, do you not? And do you, is, did, are they kids?

Sevan Matossian (14:17):

<laugh> I’m trying to, uh, let me see. Share screen.

Andrew Hiller (14:21):

Oh, I’m going. I’m looking too.

Sevan Matossian (14:23):

I refuse to those.

Andrew Hiller (14:24):

They don’t, they don’t look like they’re kids, by the way, they look like adults with adults.

Sevan Matossian (14:29):

Uh, it’s this V video. Did you make any shorts yet? It’s this right here, guys. You see this one? CrossFit fails too. There’s

Andrew Hiller (14:38):

Adults with adults.

Sevan Matossian (14:39):

Yeah. There’s no way that’s real.

Andrew Hiller (14:42):

I don’t know, man. It seemed pretty real to me.

Sevan Matossian (14:45):

No, you’re crazy.

Andrew Hiller (14:46):

Everything else I saw was real. So why would this be the fake one?

Sevan Matossian (14:49):

I, and I’m just telling you

Andrew Hiller (14:51):

What else in that video do you think wasn’t real?

Sevan Matossian (14:54):

I don’t know, but there’s no. Oh, and I do. And I’m, and I’m totally that guy who, um, holds the two barbells and someone pushes him like a car up the driveway.

Andrew Hiller (15:04):

What about that? Yeah. What about that?

Sevan Matossian (15:05):

I’m totally okay. I think that you’re being too

Andrew Hiller (15:08):

You motherfucker. No, no, no, no.

Sevan Matossian (15:11):

Yes. It’s fine.

Andrew Hiller (15:12):

Uh, well, you know what, in my comments section on that video, there were also people who were like, I love the pizza game and I was like, I fucking hate

Sevan Matossian (15:19):

The pizza game. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (15:21):

How do you feel about the pizza game? Do you know what I’m talking about? Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (15:23):

I never, I did. I never belonged to an affiliate that played that game. Uh,

Andrew Hiller (15:26):

I never thought that it was ever in good taste or interest to have people who haven’t warmed up and who have tweaks and issues to be okay. Get up off your butts and start running around and cutting corners. And, oh, don’t hit the freaking head man outta my hand. And there goes your knee or your ankle or your ran into a fricking pull up rig. And

Sevan Matossian (15:47):

That game where

Andrew Hiller (15:47):

You gotta let’s go do Fran.

Sevan Matossian (15:49):

What about that game? Where you’re in plank position and you gotta touch the kettlebells.

Andrew Hiller (15:53):

Oh, that’s okay.

Sevan Matossian (15:53):

Yeah. I like that.

Andrew Hiller (15:55):

That’s better. And I also, like, I was a fan of the thunderstruck, you know, every time they say thunder, you do a burpee. I’m like, okay, I can see how that would be practical.

Sevan Matossian (16:03):


Andrew Hiller (16:05):

For the bring sail up thing. Was it maybe as a workout was something, do you remember that?

Sevan Matossian (16:10):


Andrew Hiller (16:11):

It was this. They play the song. Bring Sally up, bring Sally down and you put 1 35 on your back. And when they say come up, you stand up. And when they say go down, you stay down. So you’re doing squat holds as well. Wow.

Sevan Matossian (16:23):

My knee, that was a big knee. Just started

Andrew Hiller (16:25):

Hurting 14.

Sevan Matossian (16:28):

Oh yeah. I

Andrew Hiller (16:29):

Remember that. It’s a good, it’s a good warm up. I mean, it’s kind of, I don’t, they’re further you get from practical towards GI Mickey. The last side was a fan of it. And the pizza game is the pinnacle of God. That’s a bad idea. Waiting to happen. Kids, prospect kids have at it.

Sevan Matossian (16:45):

We could talk about Clarence Kennedy, but let’s save that.

Andrew Hiller (16:48):

Okay. I love that video.

Sevan Matossian (16:50):

I love that video dude.

Andrew Hiller (16:51):

Dude, dude, that’s gonna be hobby.

Sevan Matossian (16:54):


Andrew Hiller (16:56):

<laugh> wouldn’t that be sick?

Sevan Matossian (16:58):


Andrew Hiller (16:59):

Wow. What?

Sevan Matossian (17:00):

I just can’t believe that.

Andrew Hiller (17:01):

Save it.

Sevan Matossian (17:02):

I just can’t believe. Did you make, so you, he made that video and then you just played pieces of it. Yeah, that’s really cool. Mm-hmm <affirmative> I contacted,

Andrew Hiller (17:09):

I couldn’t, I couldn’t monetize it because of that. Cuz it was mostly his shit and it’s all cool because I thought I don’t care. Like certain things like that. It’s like, I don’t care. It’s just cool to have

Sevan Matossian (17:19):

I DMed him. Let me see if and I was gonna see if I could get him to come on the show today to say

Andrew Hiller (17:23):

All these shit. That would be awesome

Sevan Matossian (17:26):

Today. Yeah, but I just DMed him like as like two hours ago,

Andrew Hiller (17:30):

If he just popped in, I would shit.

Sevan Matossian (17:35):

Um, I need to talk to you about something serious.

Andrew Hiller (17:38):

Good. I’m glad we have all our friends here to listen to it. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (17:44):

Um, oh, I dunno how to bring this up.

Andrew Hiller (17:51):

Mm-hmm <affirmative> were you a judge of the 2014 cross eight games.

Sevan Matossian (17:56):

You and uh, max Al Haj. Oh, I really liked your story. I’m gonna try to, uh, smooth talk you a little bit here. I really liked your, uh,

Andrew Hiller (18:08):

Shit sandwich.

Sevan Matossian (18:09):

Uh, yes, yes, shit sandwich. I really liked your softball story by the way about the bat. That was like a month ago. That was a fucking awesome story. And then in your, uh, T RT Tuesdays today, just the shit talking story about like, I like it when you talk about

Andrew Hiller (18:25):

Softball. Ooh. Yeah, it’s interesting. Right? I actually believe, really thought that it would be interesting for me to record a whole bunch of stuff with the softball game and make a video about that. And I was gonna reach out to vindicate and see if you could make us new jerseys and we’d have like a whole like YouTube thing with my shit ass softball team.

Sevan Matossian (18:41):

<laugh> Hey,

Andrew Hiller (18:43):

More so bad.

Sevan Matossian (18:44):

I think people would like to see a video with you playing softball.

Andrew Hiller (18:47):

I think that’d be interesting too. The minimum. Interesting.

Sevan Matossian (18:49):

Yeah. I think people would, it would, it would trip people out. It’s like total it’s like you wouldn’t be by your car and shit.

Andrew Hiller (18:55):


Sevan Matossian (18:56):

It would be weird.

Andrew Hiller (18:57):

It would be <laugh> it would be really weird. But as far as like the TRT and the talking shit, it was very interesting. I’m not really the type of person to just outwardly, Hey, Hey, they’re talking shit to you because you look like a pussy

Sevan Matossian (19:10):

<laugh> yeah. Yeah. And I like the fact that you’re focused, that you’re, that, that you’re throwing that you, you, you, whether you’re throwing, you don’t even say whether you you’re throwing more strikes or not just the fact you believe you can throw strikes. You are

Andrew Hiller (19:22):

It’s, it’s totally a believe thing. You know, what’s interesting is I’ve pitched the softball. All you gotta do is hit this rectangle. It’s like two and a half feet deep in maybe 10 inches wide and you gotta hit it. It’s like playing that, that bags game. You basically have to hit it with a softball, um, before and or they’ll hit it. And I’ve done this for four years. And about two years at three quarters in, it was semifinal the week before semifinals and I was pitching and I got hit in the fucking kneecap by a liner. Wow. And I, and I was like, fuck this. I’m never doing it ever again. I sat out that game. I’m like, I’ll play catcher. I’m just gonna sit back there. The catcher is useless and I would, the TRT must have kicked in. I’m like, guys, I’m pitching again because I’m tired of you guys fucking walking these people and sucking. And I’m like, I’m gonna hit that fucking plate. And I don’t care if I get hit the first pitch that the guy that I threw to him right back at me and I’m like, you motherfucker.

Sevan Matossian (20:17):

<laugh> did you catch it?

Andrew Hiller (20:18):

No. Hit me.

Sevan Matossian (20:20):

<laugh> oh, damn.

Andrew Hiller (20:21):

They, they call at you a fast as shit.

Sevan Matossian (20:23):


Andrew Hiller (20:24):

It’s it’s a hard softball. It’s not the soft softball. All right. Now throw me the shit. I’m still waiting for it. Uh, you and max aha.

Sevan Matossian (20:34):

You and max ho have some ideas that I think misdirected

Sevan Matossian (20:51):

Regarding the unknown and unknowable and the San Diego, um, school district, they decided that they were going to make it. So kids couldn’t be given worse grades if they didn’t turn in their homework because too many kids who were brown and a black skin, weren’t doing well in school. And they said it was because they weren’t turning in their homework and that was unfair to them. So instead of maybe trying to give them the resources to do their homework, they said, okay, you teachers can’t give, uh, anyone a worse grade for not turning in their homework. They dumb down everything, right? We’re gonna, we’re gonna lower the standards for everyone. That way everyone gets better. It’s like some ass backward, fucking thinking. You and max here, you

Andrew Hiller (21:48):

Are going with this.

Sevan Matossian (21:49):

You and max want to get rid of the unknown and unknowable. You woke motherfuckers because you, you think that’s. I was to stay calm. I was trying to stay calm, trying to stay calm because you guys, because you think it’s too hard to judge, you guys think that, I mean, that’s sort of the cornerstone of, of, of CrossFit. Isn’t it? The unknown and unknowable.

Andrew Hiller (22:17):

Let me, let me know really quick. The things that are sticking out to you in that video, because you’ve got something you’re holding onto you’re you said judging right there. Is that it?

Sevan Matossian (22:26):

I don’t, I don’t know. I that’s that’s that’s what I took from you. And max, you guys are basically saying, Hey, get rid, well, two things, max is saying two things. Max doesn’t want the athletes to look stupid. And he uses like, you know, publicly, like, and, and Davis said that too. I don’t wanna make the athletes look stupid. There’s that great story where Greg wanted to, I forget what it was. Put something in the game, softball, throw softball, throw lefthanded the wrong hand.

Andrew Hiller (22:50):

Yeah. Like that.

Sevan Matossian (22:52):

And, and Dave’s like, Hey, the wrong hand. Yeah. Race.

Andrew Hiller (22:55):

It was with the wrong hand, the opposite hand, both hands.

Sevan Matossian (22:57):

And uh, and basically, um, did they allow the athletes to throw with whatever hand they wanted? They probably did.

Andrew Hiller (23:04):

They only threw with one hand assume they’re dominant. Yeah. Right. So, but he wanted to do both.

Sevan Matossian (23:09):

Right. So, um, and, and so he didn’t want the athletes. So that’s one reason he, he don’t make anything unknown and unknowable because of one fucking incident with the, uh, jump rope that he’s afraid. And you wanna just take away all of it cuz you don’t wanna make the athletes look stupid.

Andrew Hiller (23:26):

What was the one before that though?

Sevan Matossian (23:28):

The other reason was is that for judging the two reasons that I got from the videos that, well, no, you want better judging. Go ahead.

Andrew Hiller (23:36):

People look stupid where the peg boards,

Sevan Matossian (23:39):

Whatever, whatever it is. I don’t think that there’s any reason to get rid of the unknown and unknowable. I think it’s too. I think when I heard that I’m like, holy fuck. Max and Hiller have fucking gone off the deep end.

Andrew Hiller (23:51):

I’m not actually too deep into that. Upon the judging spec. Well, if you think about it in terms of the handstand pushup with the wall this year and some judges were clearly off base then yeah. I guess having it a week ahead of time, would’ve helped everybody figure out exactly what was going on. Do you disagree with that?

Sevan Matossian (24:10):

I, no, I, I, I,

Andrew Hiller (24:12):

Or let’s say that.

Sevan Matossian (24:12):

Tell, tell

Andrew Hiller (24:13):

Me, ring handstand push up in 2018. Don’t you think it would’ve been helpful if they would’ve known like what an arching bench press strict handstand push up from the rings. Would’ve looked like that year.

Sevan Matossian (24:23):

Hey, you could say you could

Andrew Hiller (24:25):

A week ahead.

Sevan Matossian (24:25):

You could show me a thousand events, um, uh, that needed more time, uh, or movements that need, that athletes needed more notice of so that they didn’t look stupid or so that they would perform better. I still don’t think that that’s a reason to get rid of the unknown and unknowable. And I feel like that’s what you guys were really leaning for. Like I agree with you guys. I, I do agree

Andrew Hiller (24:49):

With you guys. You know, his major argument was right, is that all of these athletes are more athletic fitter. The cream of the crop in comparison to even the Tom Bradys of the world, Tom Brady is an awesome athlete, but he is not fit. He is not strong and it doesn’t fucking matter. You can whip the football. That’s his job, right? Travis mayor compared to you don’t want Travis mayor doing things that maybe Tom Brady could do, just because he is more athletic. You want, you want to see what Travis mayor is capable of. That was, I think Max’s biggest thing with the unknown and unknowable. You’re all, you’re like wasting his potential to be seen. And like everyone’s seeing that as well. I think that that was one of his biggest, and I might be putting words in his mouth. I have to admit that

Sevan Matossian (25:33):

Even. So I don’t think it’s

Andrew Hiller (25:35):

A real, why do you like to keep it? What do you, you don’t wanna dumb everybody down? Is that the thing? Is that going back to your initial analogy with the schooling? We don’t wanna fail anybody.

Sevan Matossian (25:45):

Uh, yeah, we don’t want like, like it’s it’s okay. It’s okay that we did the, the softball throw that year. I remember Annie being really upset about some of those things that we did. The, I don’t remember what there was the softball, there was the way to pull up. There was the L L sit hold. And I remember peeling people being like, Hey, this is bullshit. This isn’t CrossFit. I think those were all super duper valid. I do think that the, the I do, and I brought it up to Adrian that I thought that the athletes should have received more time with the, with the crossover.

Andrew Hiller (26:15):

I told how about a week?

Sevan Matossian (26:17):

Even, even three hours.

Andrew Hiller (26:19):

How about a week? That’s what I think max was proposing. Hey, we don’t, you don’t know when you’re gonna have him. We don’t know with what, but there will be crossover, double hunters at the games next week. Use these ropes, try it out. And then all of a sudden, not only Dick Matthews, just the only person to make it through. ’em um, and, and, and it’s still into the ecosystem so that everybody will be doing them from that point forward.

Sevan Matossian (26:44):

I’m not gonna, I, I don’t know if I’m ready to say what, uh, I thought max always wanted to know all the potential movements for the season, the beginning of the season. I don’t know if it’s that extreme. That’s a, I’d never say this person’s name. The two, the two NA the, the tonight one, the, the, to one, the tonic, the

Andrew Hiller (27:04):


Sevan Matossian (27:05):

I’d never say this dude’s name. He’s always in the comments. I just don’t know who the, how to

Andrew Hiller (27:08):

Say it’s tonight. One,

Sevan Matossian (27:09):

Someone spelled that out phonetically for me, uh, should have been released that all the athlete welcome dinner. It’s tradition to announce new movements are coming in. Good point. Yeah, there

Andrew Hiller (27:18):

You go. But that may been a week, but just at some point before,

Sevan Matossian (27:21):

But for example, but for example,

Andrew Hiller (27:22):

That’s the thing, it’s a stand. The

Sevan Matossian (27:24):

Pegboard didn’t need to be announced before that year that, um, that a bunch of athletes, are

Andrew Hiller (27:30):

You emotionally attached? Seon?

Sevan Matossian (27:32):


Andrew Hiller (27:34):


Sevan Matossian (27:34):

I, I think it’s, I think it’s a, um, it’s, it’s what makes CrossFit so special. The UN it’s, one of the things is the unknown and the unknowable.

Andrew Hiller (27:42):

Can you agree that potentially it’s what’s gonna keep it from growing as well because no one ever knows what the fuck is going on. And I mean, the athletes don’t the coaches don’t and especially the audience, the spectators on CBS B will have no idea what’s going on.

Sevan Matossian (27:57):

So then we go back to the Simi that I want to share with you. Do I think it’s more important that everyone graduates from high school or that people graduate from high school knowing something, look, everyone graduated, but they don’t know five plus

Andrew Hiller (28:09):

Five. Look, I gotta, I gotta stop you really quick.

Sevan Matossian (28:12):

OK, please go ahead.

Andrew Hiller (28:14):

Do you think that it is more worthwhile for someone trying to get as many views as possible? The cross fade games to get more people, to get more people into the affiliates, to at a certain level level.

Sevan Matossian (28:25):

Oh, now you’re, now, now I’m emotionally attached. Now you’re pit point. You have more people into the affiliates level. You’re

Andrew Hiller (28:30):

Working me have level with them. Yes. You’re working like, this is my shtick dude. <laugh> you, you, you need people to watch it. And if someone turns it on and they see people not being able to do a crossover double they’re like, why the fuck would I wanna go learn how to not do something? <laugh> they shut it off at three seconds.

Sevan Matossian (28:47):


Andrew Hiller (28:47):

That could have been their only exposure. You had three seconds to Excel them. Right? People’s attention spans are so, so, and you, I don’t care like what you have to say about the unknown and unknowable. They’re gonna click it on. They’re go fuck that. Turn it off.

Sevan Matossian (29:00):

<laugh> um, the, I think, or

Andrew Hiller (29:03):

They’re gonna watch El intensity, that video that I make. If you do a bunch of stuff like that, I will get intensity. They’re gonna freaking make a video on it. How

Sevan Matossian (29:10):

About the cargo net? How about the cargo net? How do you think that that was, uh, that was unknown and unknowable?

Andrew Hiller (29:16):

No, that’s, that’s fine. Everyone did it. I mean, a couple people fell

Sevan Matossian (29:19):

Off of it. So you and max, but you and max can’t have the cargo net.

Andrew Hiller (29:25):


Sevan Matossian (29:25):

Unless it’s announced a week in advance, how about that little rope? They had to hold and like, and like make that movement and, and then, and then land on the, the narrow beam that was at an angle, the log, right? That’s

Andrew Hiller (29:38):

Like the obstacle course.

Sevan Matossian (29:40):

Yeah. Obstacle course.

Andrew Hiller (29:42):

I mean, I’m, I didn’t say much with

Sevan Matossian (29:43):

That. Could you could pull out individual events and I’ll be like, yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you on the crossover, but to take out all the unknown and unknowable, I, I, I can’t, I can’t, I see what

Andrew Hiller (29:53):

You did with you. You kind of got me tripped up on the, the rope ladder, the cargo net.

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