#588 – Off-Season Hoppersode w/ Brian Friend

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Sevan Matossian (00:00):

I’m gonna send someone a text. Bam. We’re live. I’m gonna send rich a text. Hey, hi. Oh shit. I didn’t say anything for 18 seconds. Fuck. I hope you guys all meditated. Did

Brian Friend (00:25):

You do the monetization this time or did you screw it up

Sevan Matossian (00:27):

Again? Uh, no. No, I did dude. The show last night show is already getting fucking huge. I can’t even believe it. People that must be people like in other, in foreign lands.

Brian Friend (00:38):

You say that every time, I think it’s kind of like a guy that wakes up every morning with a big Dick and every morning he’s surprised by

Sevan Matossian (00:45):

It. I can’t believe it’s hard again. <laugh>

Brian Friend (00:49):

<laugh> at some point you’re gonna stop being surprised by this right?

Sevan Matossian (00:55):

In, in the, in the, no, it’s a mirror. I’m always impressed with the mirror. I’m a simple man. Um, normally in the mornings I drink paper street coffee. I did have a cup of coffee this morning. I have this machine where he put the beans in it. He push the button and it grinds it and then drips the coffee. It’s pretty cool. Um, but this morning, the, uh, the machine needs to be, I guess it’s called de scaled. I don’t even know exactly what it means, but it’s supposedly to take the minerals and shit off of like the inner workings. I never really descale it. Anyway. I, cause I don’t put those pills or those chemicals in my machine. So I just do a fake descale. I just like run water through it. But anyway, this morning, like anytime I need a quick cup of coffee, I step away from my beloved sponsor paper street coffee, or for my machine breaks down or whatever happened to it. And I, uh, I drink a strong coffee, which I also drink sometimes, um, as a treat before a workout with a big glass of milk anyway, so this, if I, if I’m on my game today,

Brian Friend (01:52):

What kind of milk

Sevan Matossian (01:53):

I give credit to strong coffee. If I’m not on my game, fuck those guys. They fuck me. I, I take that, um, raw milk, raw whole milk, and then put a scoop of that strong coffee latte, shit in there. But, but then you gotta kind of like really warm up slow. You need like then a 10 or 20 minute warmup cuz a pint of milk with that shit. When you start working out, can the stomach’s a little, Ooh, little Saucey. How bad? Just Saucey

Caleb Beaver (02:22):

Start getting the

Sevan Matossian (02:23):

Gurgly guts. Here’s my first sip of the strong coffee. And then the owner of strong coffee is, um, a guy with a cool name. Andrew Andre, Athena Johnson, Joe Bon Rothenberg and Sam dancer. Um, I woke up this morning thinking about the torque tank again, Brian.

Brian Friend (02:45):

Oh yeah. Huh.

Sevan Matossian (02:48):

And I received a handful of DMS, uh, agreeing with me and no one disagreeing with me. I need someone to explain to me why you think it’s a good idea to have a torque tank and a competition. One of the ideas we propose is it just takes the edge off of the athletes that wears them down. Okay? Why not just fucking flog them with a bat then before they go out, why not have them?

Brian Friend (03:09):

Because the bat flogging company, hasn’t given them money to use their equipment.

Sevan Matossian (03:12):

Well, why not just have them hold a, a Dal hold before the event, then you gotta hold a unbroken, a hundred pound D ball for a minute or something or two minutes. I

Brian Friend (03:21):

Love that idea.

Sevan Matossian (03:22):

Actually I do not fucking get,

Sevan Matossian (03:27):

I thought about texting math this morning and even asking him, I was like, what would I want someone to do to me? It is the worst implement ever used in the CrossFit games. It’s the worst influence ever using a CrossFit competition. It is, it is beyond stupid. If, if you want competition, if you want sport, you have to look up the definition of sport and what competition is and the narrative that defines what a sport is and people competing and there are a chance to pass people. Um, it, it seems like I heard that you like

Brian Friend (03:55):

Sledge rogue workup better than the tank torque.

Sevan Matossian (03:58):

Yes. How

Brian Friend (04:00):

In the random passing different ground.

Sevan Matossian (04:02):

Yes. All of it. Yes.

Brian Friend (04:04):

Softball throw better. Yes. Way better million

Sevan Matossian (04:06):


Brian Friend (04:07):

To from GD

Sevan Matossian (04:08):

Sit up. I, I was gonna crown that event at Madrid, the worst competition, um, event in the history, worst placement worst event, like it purposely went out of its way to make it the worst thing ever.

Brian Friend (04:18):


Sevan Matossian (04:19):

You have the final event and the final movement in that event. Something where someone can’t pass someone else, Hey it seriously, would’ve been a better event. If you flipped the torque tank on its back, they could called it the turtle upside down turtle and you drug it with a rope. It would be better. Cuz then you could pass. It’s bizarre. It is. Maybe someone’s gonna explain something to me and be like, no, you actually can pass. They like took the gear out of it or someone’s gonna explain it to me. It’s not just gonna be money. You can’t, you can’t be that stupid just for money. Unless you’re you live in Canada, unless your name is true. DOE

Brian Friend (05:01):

All right, one more minute to rant on the torque tank or whatever they’re calling it. I’m over it.

Sevan Matossian (05:06):

But I did, I did text Jr. And Taylor and said, Hey, can we come talk about the Madrid programming? And they said, of course, so they’ll be here tomorrow.

Brian Friend (05:15):

Hey, when, Hey are we doing in the morning tomorrow? Like I asked you,

Sevan Matossian (05:19):

No, we’re doing the you’re in the evening.

Brian Friend (05:20):

I cannot do the evening.

Sevan Matossian (05:22):


Brian Friend (05:22):

I told you that two days ago.

Sevan Matossian (05:24):

I know probably wasn’t I probably wasn’t listening to that. Okay. Uh, can we,

Brian Friend (05:29):

And I asked you to put it on the schedule a week ago. Fuck

Sevan Matossian (05:32):

So bad. Let’s move to 7:00 AM. Let’s move Brian to 7:00 AM, please for tomorrow and reschedule

Brian Friend (05:49):

Taylor. Do you remember what the show is

Sevan Matossian (05:51):

Jr for the E of course I do. What do you think? I am stupid. The 30 best dog breeds alive? No, it’s the, uh, 30 fittest women, uh, fittest women of all time. I’m actually really excited about it. I’m more excited about the bottom 20. It seems like that that really ruffles people’s feathers.

Brian Friend (06:10):

It was tough. This was, I think it was harder than the men actually and the men was hard enough.

Sevan Matossian (06:17):


Brian Friend (06:17):

But that’s not the topic today.

Sevan Matossian (06:19):

Uh, is, is, is Emma. I’m looking at the comments on YouTube. Uh, Emma Lawson. Is she going to prove,

Brian Friend (06:25):

Uh she’s I think she’s in Nashville. If she’s not there now she was there at some point last week with Jack Farlow and that, I don’t know if they’re going there or not, but it would, it could be a good fit for her. I mean, I think

Sevan Matossian (06:39):

Can we see her Instagram? Oh,

Brian Friend (06:40):

Anyone that if for any of the athletes that you might ask me about where they’re going or, or where they have chosen to go, I think that there’s the disclaimer is it’s not really that obvious from the athlete’s perspective, what the best choices she’s been training with her coach in Canada and having a ton of success. And I think there was probably a lot of question marks within this year of how well their preparation would carry over to the elite individual field. And the answer was very well. I would think that you could come out of the games this year, if I’m a loss in her coach and her team and take a really, you don’t even have to look that deeply at the leaderboard. You just look at the events and say, wow, in this realm of fitness, we were good enough. Like we were ready for this.

Brian Friend (07:23):

And in this, in these workouts where this was, you know, what was being tested the most there we have some work to do there and I don’t think there’s anything that’s so glaring and obvious as a whole or, or where she’s behind the women that she wants to be competing with. That she should definitely feel like she needs something else. So I think that just on the surface level, she should feel confident in our coach and what they’ve been doing to go back and do that. If she wants to there’s other factors that weigh in, if, if people are reaching out and offering her opportunities, Hey, if you come and train with us, not only do you, can we provide you this facility? Can we provide you this living environment? Can we invite you training partners of this caliber? But additionally, we have sponsorships with this. We have financial, you know, or, um, like media things with this. We have a, so there might be other things that are being offered to her that make it worth going. Even if she doesn’t think from a purely compensation,

Sevan Matossian (08:19):

Like what? Like what, like what, like what,

Brian Friend (08:21):

I don’t know if I’m proven or if I’m H WPO or man or whatever, I would assume that there’s someone on their PR their marketing, their media, their sponsorship team that says, Hey, for all the athletes that come here, we’re, you know, if you decide to be a proven athlete and you’re already this caliber, then you’re gonna get a deal with noble. You’re gonna get a deal with this company. You’re gonna get a media.

Sevan Matossian (08:41):

Do you know if that actually exists?

Brian Friend (08:44):

I, if it doesn’t exist, I don’t know why it, it wouldn’t exist. I mean, it’s, it could be like you, I, I often think about it with like soccer, cuz I always thought this was ridiculous. I was, was coaching at a high school and they said, no, no, we’re sponsored by Nike. All the athletes have to wear Nike shoes. I’m like Nike shoes don’t match all their feet. Nike shoes are narrow. Not all the, some of the kids have wide to need a wide toe box. They can’t play soccer in a cramped shoe like that. I’m not gonna force to wear Nike shoes. So a shoe deal that I, I’m not a big fan of a shoe deal. That’s why I never liked that the games forced them to wear Reebok because I felt like it was diminishing the potential for some of the athletes to Excel.

Brian Friend (09:19):

If that wasn’t a comfortable shoe fit for their foot. So I like that they made the change. We can wear whatever. So that’s not a good one. But if you have, uh, you know, you could get something like, uh, you know, on a apparel company, which is less invasive or than, than a shoe I would think, or I don’t know, but I would, I would at least have some opportunities available. I actually like the idea of having like a selection where when, when, when athlete comes here, they can choose, we have a relationship with bear grips and uh, you know, whatever victory grips and bear complex, victory grips and sky hill. And you can, you know, we can set you up with conversations with one of those and guarantee you that you can create a relationship and have your grip care, taken care of whatever. You know, you wanna have some incentive for your athletes to come to your camp. And as some of these camps are getting more well known and more, um, you know, significant, I think sponsors would wanna be involved with them. And then athletes might have like, I’m a loss and might have multiple opportunities who knows maybe three or four different camps reached out. Well, who’s got the best opportunity from

Sevan Matossian (10:16):

Let, let, let me, uh, ask you. So what if, uh, what if a camp like H w O that’s that’s printing money right now between all of its, uh, its hands and so many good business dealings, uh, the, the programming, the podium, just whatever the programming for events, whatever mats up to over their, it looks like things are going very swimmingly well

Brian Friend (10:36):

At H w O.

Sevan Matossian (10:38):

Yeah. Do you think that it looks

Brian Friend (10:39):

Like that I have my concerns.

Sevan Matossian (10:41):

Do you think that, um, uh, like that ma O’Brien gets $50,000 a year? Jason is $50,000 a year to be a H WPO O athlete. It would make sense, right? Because you pay, if you pay them to come there, you get to use their name and likeness, but also you free them up of the stress of, uh, of, of having to generate income.

Brian Friend (11:01):

You would hope that the, that the relationship is beneficial for both parties involved that H w P O is getting the athletes that they want because they see this potential in them because they meet a certain, but I

Sevan Matossian (11:12):

Bet whatever, but I bet you, I bet you Nier doesn’t pay Maderas if anything, if anything, it probably goes the other way around. Right. Maderas probably gives him like 3% of his prize winning or some shit like that.

Brian Friend (11:25):

Maybe there was, uh, someone did, uh,

Sevan Matossian (11:28):


Brian Friend (11:28):

Interesting right about that, that the, that the coaches should be paid salary, not based on, uh, prize money winnings or something a few weeks ago, but,

Sevan Matossian (11:35):

But either way, the flow of the money’s different, something like H WPO, you could see them paying the athletes. So it, and, and I don’t, I’m not suggesting one, is it better maybe,

Brian Friend (11:44):

But if you, but now they’re bringing on more and more athletes. Can you afford to pay that many athletes?

Sevan Matossian (11:48):

Well, you don’t pay someone like Katherine,

Brian Friend (11:51):

Does she pay you? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (11:54):


Brian Friend (11:54):

Or just this thing that I’ve been talking about where it’s like, no, having Kran here is good for our brand. And having hwo in my corner is good for my brand.

Sevan Matossian (12:00):

Well, they’re, they’re different creatures, right? H Katherine’s top three Instagram account. Uh, but, but there’s also a risk with her too.

Brian Friend (12:11):

What’s the risk. I don’t really see that much risk. She didn’t make the games this year.

Sevan Matossian (12:16):


Brian Friend (12:16):

She doesn’t make the games against next year. Okay. Then we just say, well, she’s pass her prime. She just can’t make it anymore. The field too good. If

Sevan Matossian (12:22):

She doesn’t do, you know, do you know of any, any camps that pay their athletes? Like a hundred percent?

Brian Friend (12:27):

I do not. I don’t, I, I never have really taken in, in investment in trying to,

Sevan Matossian (12:32):

And, and we don’t, and we don’t know whether, and we don’t know of any athletes that pay their coaches either. Right.

Brian Friend (12:39):


Sevan Matossian (12:39):

The past, we know that Henshaw works for free for them. Right.

Brian Friend (12:42):

He used to, I don’t know about anymore. And in the past I had heard, and I’m talking like years ago, I had heard that there were, you know, when, when an athlete wanted X amount of money, that they would give X percentage to their coach. I don’t know what the, what the landscape for that looks like now. And I haven’t really pursued, trying to find

Sevan Matossian (12:59):

Out. And it’s not like Matt needs that money or Ben needs that money.

Brian Friend (13:05):


Sevan Matossian (13:06):


Brian Friend (13:07):

Oh, no, no. I mean, I think Beon has created a lot, you know, uh, several different businesses where he has to create stream of income and I phrase are the same

Sevan Matossian (13:16):

And, and, and, and same with, uh, um, I, I, I bet you mayhem doesn’t take money from their athletes winnings.

Brian Friend (13:22):

No, but I think about a guy like Matt TA, so I’m like, okay, well, Matt TA a coach for brute strength. He’s been there for a long time. I know that at different periods of time, he’s coached more athletes, less athletes, cetera. And now I’m, I’m looking and saying, okay, well, he has now a pretty big group of very competitive athletes that he’s, that are under his umbrella. There might be other coaches there that are helping him, but you got Danielle Brandon alone. That’s a huge undertaking, Dan pepper. Who’s

Sevan Matossian (13:47):

What do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? It’s a huge undertaking.

Brian Friend (13:50):

She’s a massive personality in this space with a ton of potential that people love. You know, she’s very attractive. She’s very good. She’s flashy. She can win events. She’s different than most of the other athletes. And she just got fourth place, which is real, incredibly promising. He wasn’t coaching her for majority of that year. How would she have done if she hadn’t made that change when what’s gonna happen?

Sevan Matossian (14:12):

It’s fair to say he wasn’t coaching her at all. Right. I mean, she was at, she was with underdogs 11 months. Uh, she was with underdog 364 days.

Brian Friend (14:19):

That’s different. There are different elements of coaching. So he wasn’t, he wasn’t responsible for her training cycles, leading up to the games. He had her for a couple weeks before that. But some might argue that the mental discipline focus, being able to get your athletes to relax or, or to peak for those things from a mental and emotional perspective in the weeks leading to the games and during the games is just as important as the 11 months leading into that point.

Sevan Matossian (14:45):

Um, did you hear about the, the new implement they’re putting into the games?

Brian Friend (14:49):

Oh God. Is it the twerk tank?

Sevan Matossian (14:50):

No, it’s called the humbler. It’s a, uh, it’s a only, the men will be using it. Uh, did you have a picture of the humer? Uh, Caleb? Yeah.

Brian Friend (15:01):

Lemme pull it up real quick.

Sevan Matossian (15:02):

Sorry. In some communities it’s also known as the, um, ball stretcher, the humbler, someone, someone sent this to me in my DMS yesterday. Uh, they said that this would probably be better than the torque tank. What you do is you put that clasp around your testicles and whoever can straighten their legs out. The furthest wallet upside down in a handstand, push up, uh, wins the event. You see that Brian, whoever can get full extension on the, uh, on the, on the Brian, Brian.

Brian Friend (15:29):

Yeah, let me know we’re back on, on topic. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (15:32):

Okay. Okay. Uh, so that’s, uh, now you guys know why you watched the Seon podcast. You now know 2023 rogue will be making those that, uh, clasp around the tussles will say, uh, made by rogue

Brian Friend (15:42):

American made leather.

Sevan Matossian (15:43):

Yeah. Thank you. It won’t be steel. Uh, so, so going back down, Toma Lawson, how, how we got into this, Emma Lawson will not be, um, going to proven is what you’re saying in your thought.

Brian Friend (15:56):

No, no, no. We don’t know. Okay. Uh, she was there.

Sevan Matossian (15:59):

It would be crazy to leave her coach though, based on her success.

Brian Friend (16:01):

She could go to proven and not necessarily leave her coach. You could make, you know, I’m sure that you can make arrangements and say, I want, I still want my coach to be responsible for my training,

Sevan Matossian (16:11):

But I’m might be in your

Brian Friend (16:12):

Gym, uh, training this gym. And maybe there’s a opportunity I’ll train and do my stuff 80% of the time. But, uh, you know, once or twice a week, well, I’ll, I’ll, I wanna train with some other high level athletes. And so having the Saxon, Patrick and, and, and Brooke, well is a will MOED or John Cole. Whoever’s the, the athletes that are there this year is something that, uh, I don’t have at home. I do have Jack Farlow, but he’s, you know, he’s not a Saxon. And I’m, I think that there’s some value in having an opportunity to compete against someone who’s of a similar caliber, the opposite sex, uh, you know, on a weekly basis. So, yeah, that is appealing to me,

Sevan Matossian (16:49):

Um, is in, in this same conversation, uh, why would she go to proven if Tia’s leaving? Is that Jim staying there?

Brian Friend (16:58):

I think so. I think that, you know, proven is just as much Shanes as it is Tia is, and that he’s, you know, built up that culture there. I, my understanding is that they’ll still have a home in Nashville and, and then also Australia, and they may be going back and forth. And who knows, maybe there’ll be times of the year where, um, where he’s there and she’s in Australia and plus they have other, they have other high quality coaches there. You know, this is happening a lot of places where there are, there’s like, you know, one coach, but then there are other coaches underneath or, uh, alongside them that are coming up in this sport and are very relevant. Uh, you know, and some of ’em are coaching, some high level athletes.

Sevan Matossian (17:34):

Does the men division have a, um, and feel free to fill in any names? I forget. Does the men’s division in CrossFit? Does the CrossFit games, men division have an Emma Carey, a loss, a Maow, Brian aha. Adams. And I I’m making it pretty broad now. Sure. Who who’s some of the other new who’s. Are there any there’s one, one other one, I think. Well, anyway, Olivia

Brian Friend (18:03):


Sevan Matossian (18:03):

Probably Olivia, sorry. Yeah. Olivia KTI. I mean, these not at we’re looking at

Brian Friend (18:07):

There’s no girls that there’s no guys that are 17, 18, even 19, or really 20 years old now that are capable of top 10 finishes or even top 20 finishes at the games. But once you get to 20, 21, 22, then there are a couple down pepper. Giros the youngest guys that are excelling at the games right now are Jason Hopper Giros and down pepper, but they’re like 20 to 24 range, not 18 to 20 range or 17 to 20 range.

Sevan Matossian (18:38):

Oh, who, who did you, who did you say? Down pepper. GI. Jason, was there one more?

Brian Friend (18:43):

Uh, I think that in, in terms of like under 25, I think that’s it because I

Sevan Matossian (18:47):

Think you had, what about Jack Farlow? Uh, tutor. Magda.

Brian Friend (18:51):

Yeah. So those guys are all around 20 years old. Uh, James Sprague, col saber, and they’re coming, but how good will they be

Sevan Matossian (18:59):

And how, but they’re no, Emma Lawson, none of those guys are Emma Lawson,

Brian Friend (19:02):

Not even any of the, not even, uh, I mean, you know, Jason got seventh this year, he’s 24. Emma is 17 and got six GE like GE is what? 22, 22. I mean it’s, and he’s finishing the top 10. It’s great. But if you’re looking at Saxon is like the next youngest and, and, um, Laar GIK and they’re like 26 and 27 Laar was eighth. Um,

Sevan Matossian (19:27):

So, so the men have nothing like that. The, the women have like five or six rocket ships out on the platform ready to fucking launch. And the dudes are just, they don’t,

Brian Friend (19:35):

I, this is just, it’s a it’s, it’s probably twofold is that women develop younger than men. And that there still, even though I think it is moving in this direction, there still isn’t the same depth of field in the women’s side of competition. Then there is compared to men’s at the elite elite level.

Sevan Matossian (19:55):


Brian Friend (19:55):

Well, this nexts pretty young, but like these guys aren’t, um, they’re not in their teens.

Sevan Matossian (20:00):

Um, well, is, is jacks Farlow a games athlete yet, but could, do you think he will be,

Brian Friend (20:06):

He’s got that potential, like for him, I think that they’re allure of growing to prove and could be pretty good. Um, but again, you always, you, you know, you, it’s not always just about, uh, ML and, uh, Jack, you also have to be cognizant if you’re proven about the athletes that are already there, you know, have you talked to Cole grease, saber about it? Have you talked to sax and Patrick about it? How do they feel about that? Do, will they get along well together? Will there be a conflict cuz you don’t, I don’t think that you wanna necessarily bring in people that are gonna then disrupt was already going well. And I don’t think that that’s the case. I think, and Jack are probably pretty easy to get along with, but if you’re cold grease saver and you’re like, well, I did make the games this year. I was really happy with semi-finals, but I got, but frankly I was, you know, exposed at the games pretty badly. I didn’t do nearly as well as I thought I would do. And this guy is around my age, you know, maybe I’ve competed against him in the past and he’s trying to achieve the same thing I am. How does that make Cole feel?

Sevan Matossian (21:01):

And he’s young too. 22.

Brian Friend (21:04):

Yeah. And tutor’s younger than that. So these are the guys that are the equivalent in terms of relative age in the men’s field to the women’s field.

Sevan Matossian (21:12):

Um, tutors and, and tutor went to Matt toss camp.

Brian Friend (21:16):

I don’t think so.

Sevan Matossian (21:17):


Brian Friend (21:19):

I’m not sure exactly what he’s doing.

Sevan Matossian (21:21):


Brian Friend (21:22):

It heard some different, different things, but nothing that’s solid enough for me to, to wanna say,

Sevan Matossian (21:26):

But he left James Townsend.

Brian Friend (21:29):

I am pretty confident he did. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (21:32):

When you, um, that guy, uh, Harry, Harry Pally.

Brian Friend (21:36):


Sevan Matossian (21:37):

God, it feels like one of those names I’m purposely messing up when I say it. Right. Um, Harry Pally, when quant, Katherine and Amanda Barnhart all go up to H WPO. It’s pretty obvious why they’re going there. Right.

Brian Friend (21:55):

Cause of him.

Sevan Matossian (21:56):

Yeah. I mean, Harry P’s pulling his weight. Could he? Him and him and OIF are really, really pulling their weight. It, it is, it’s a power, it’s a power couple more so than ever. I was thinking last night, OIF, Pally and Fraser.

Brian Friend (22:13):

Oh, power th Ruple.

Sevan Matossian (22:14):

Yeah. Throuple thank you.

Brian Friend (22:16):

But you know, it’s this, what I’ve been thinking about with H WPO is they, you know, last year they’re, uh, I feel like they were really focusing on excellence. So they had ma O’Brien, they had Jason Hopper and then they had Jake Marco. And I, I think that the expectation for Jake Marconey was different than the other two personally, I feel like all three of them excelled last, last season. Uh, and then they, like we talked about last night, they have their online platform. Maybe they’re doing a little programming in the off season. Now the landscape is changing for H WPO when you’re bringing in this many new athletes with that much name recognition. And I do acknowledge like, like you said, they’d have Harry P now that’s officially part of their team. They’ve they do have a bigger coaching step than just Fraser and Marco.

Brian Friend (23:06):

Um, but how many athletes can you add to any situation? And in, in my mind, H WPO and brute Naples are the two that really gonna have to answer this year without diluting the quality of the product that you’re delivering. It’s very easy to program for one person it’s, it’s like having kids, then you have two and it’s like, okay, that changed a little bit. And now we have three and it’s suddenly it’s unmanageable. You know, that’s what a lot of couples will say. They figured it out over time, but are you giving the same level of care and attention to child number three and four and five and six that you did to child? Number one, you tell me SVA.

Sevan Matossian (23:42):

Uh, well, well that’s, the Harry P was brought so that, because he comes with Katherine quant and, and I know, I know I’m being, um, flippant and, and, and, uh, I’m taking some Liberty to make some assumptions, but basically they, he came with Katherine quant and Barnhart. Right. And so you could say that it’s, it’s a wash that it doesn’t really put any more pressure on H WPO because they brought the guy it’s kind of, they brought the guy, that’s always run them. He’s not, they brought him first. And then, and then those, those guys followed.

Brian Friend (24:19):

Yeah. Maybe, but then there’s also the perspective, you know, of the public. Well, they saw male do great this year. They saw Jason make a huge improvement from last year in terms of his performance execution, discipline, and mental attitude at the games. And then, you know, uh, and that’s really what people are looking at. So is the expectation that, okay, Barnhart’s going there now. She just had her worst finish in five years at the game. So we be like, you, we, we can pretty much guarantee she’s gonna rebound and be back in the top. 10 is H w P O good enough to guarantee that Amanda’s gonna improve on her performance from the games this year, or is her performance that the games dependent on programming or is the woman’s field just getting better. And even if she’s just as fitter, fitter, as she’s been, it’s not good enough to have seventh and eighth place finishes anymore. We don’t know that. And so if a Barnhart comes through this season, does H w P O everything looks good, has a nice semifinals, but she finishes 18th instead of 14th in a woman’s field. That’s really, really good. Is that a black mark for H w P O do they fail with Amanda Barnhart? Is that a bigger risk than Katherine David’s daughter

Sevan Matossian (25:20):

Talking about Karon David’s daughter? I’m guessing she’s sitting there holding her cup of coffee or beam or whatever the fuck she’s selling. And she’s saying to herself in the past, I didn’t make it one year. I buckled down, like, so she went to the games. I don’t remember what year it was mid 12th. And then in 20 mid twenties. And then in 2013, she didn’t make it. Yep. And then in 2014, she was back in the game.

Brian Friend (25:47):

I wanted year off, one year off 2013. She made it 2014. She missed it

Sevan Matossian (25:50):

20. Okay. I’m guessing she’s telling herself right now that she can do that again. That that’s her, that’s her hope. I’m guessing. That’s her dialogue. Hey, I missed it. I missed it before I got my shit together. I came back. I can do it again.

Brian Friend (26:07):

Yeah. I mean, I’ve, that’s what you draw upon the first time that I got fired or from a job, or was forced to leave it with no future plans. That was a dark time for me. I had no idea what was next, but I got through that came out and I had another great job. And then later on, I had another situation where I was forced to leave a place. And I was able to draw on that previous experience and say, well, I’ve been in a situation like this before, and I know how to, to get through it. So yes, certainly she can draw a past experience here,

Sevan Matossian (26:32):

But that was seven years ago.

Brian Friend (26:34):

That’s okay. I’m sure that that year is very, still very vivid in her

Sevan Matossian (26:39):

Memory. And so she came back and won the games the first year, her first year back. Mm-hmm

Brian Friend (26:43):


Sevan Matossian (26:45):

What do you think? You think she’s gonna the games next year?

Brian Friend (26:48):

Uh, honestly, part of that depends on the seasoned layout, but if I had, if not knowing it, oh yeah, she did make it. She made it 2012 and 13 missed in 14,

Sevan Matossian (26:59):

And then came back to win the games, which is pretty crazy

Brian Friend (27:01):

Back to win it for cheer. I would, if I was betting not knowing it, what the season format is, I would bet on KA to make the games and finish inside the top 15 this year.

Sevan Matossian (27:09):

Oh, you’re outta your mind.

Brian Friend (27:10):

And I think <laugh>, you’re outta your mind. Okay. We’ll see.

Sevan Matossian (27:14):

Outta your mind. She’s done. She’s she’s toast. She, I, it written here in my notes. She is toast.

Brian Friend (27:21):

I think you’re just hungry.

Sevan Matossian (27:22):

She, she may, maybe she might be hungry, but, but, um, oh,

Brian Friend (27:25):

You’re hungry for toast.

Sevan Matossian (27:27):

Oh. Um,

Brian Friend (27:28):

Cause she haven’t had it in so long.

Sevan Matossian (27:29):

Katherine. I, I have not eaten and I’m approaching 36 hours. Katherine is telling herself she missed the games before and she can come back again. Um, here’s the thing. Do you think she knows. Do you think she even knows what she’s missing? Like do you think she was like, yeah, I fucked my diet up or yeah. I, I, I cut my training back or I overtrained. Do you think she know, do you think, or do you think she even thinks she knows?

Brian Friend (27:52):

I, it will. I

Sevan Matossian (27:53):

Mean, and the second part of that was she with Harry Powell in 2015, 2000 building up to the 2015. Do we know that? The answer to that?

Brian Friend (28:04):

I don’t think so. She was with Ben. She’s always trained with Ben.

Sevan Matossian (28:07):

I know, but wasn’t Ben, isn’t Ben, aren’t Ben and Harry P interchangeable.

Brian Friend (28:11):

No, I don’t think so. In the case of Katherine,

Sevan Matossian (28:15):

No shit. Wait. So you’re telling me that Ben, that, that her, her years prior to going over to Yami, uh, she was with Ben and not with Harry Pally. Mm-hmm

Brian Friend (28:29):


Sevan Matossian (28:32):

Well, that fucks everything up in, in my head. Who did Harry Pally train then? Quant and Amanda?

Brian Friend (28:39):

I think so. I’m not, I, I’m not entirely sure of how they, you know, separated that out, but it’s,

Sevan Matossian (28:45):


Brian Friend (28:45):

Have to get him pretty obvious to catch it. And Ben were working.

Sevan Matossian (28:48):

I’m gonna say I,

Brian Friend (28:49):

As close as a coach and athlete ever had for a long period

Sevan Matossian (28:51):

Of time, we get Harry ion

Brian Friend (28:56):


Sevan Matossian (29:01):

Um, you, um, why do you think that, um, it, it wasn’t suited for her over in Iceland, uh, with her, her best friend, Annie Thor’s daughter and the, uh, sorry, Tia, the proven, um, coach, uh, Yami tin in,

Brian Friend (29:19):

I don’t think it had, I don’t think that when I, when I’m assessing Katherine season last year, I mean, it really just comes down to semifinals. Like I just look at her semifinal performance and I ask like, what happened there? And it wasn’t good enough. She missed by six points. It’s a really small margin to miss by. She had two, you know, bad finishes, 11th place on the lifting is not that bad for her, the 18th place on the other two workouts. That’s not good enough. She had a first, a third and a fourth to go along with those finishes. So she still has obviously the potential to be very good. Um, the thing is that the, you know, the, the bigger concern is that the girls that beat her didn’t do great at the games. Emma McQuaid.

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