#586 – Jay Rodriguez

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Uh, shadow ban. My old one is actually kind of delete bam. We life it’s kind of deleted, not deleted. I can see it. I, I don’t know what’s going on. It’s suspended. No one else can stay with me.

Jason Khalipa (00:12):

Oh, well, now that you got Zah, you know, all fired up on MMA and jujitsu, you gotta hit him up and have him put you back in the game.

Sevan Matossian (00:19):

<laugh> dear mark Zuckerberg. You know, I’m friends with Jay, Jay, rod and Nicky rod. Right. You know that right? Mr. Zuckerberg.

Jason Khalipa (00:27):

They’re back in the game,

Sevan Matossian (00:28):

Jay. What’s up.

Jay Rodriguez (00:29):

What’s going on?

Sevan Matossian (00:31):

Good to see you again.

Jason Khalipa (00:33):

What’s up Jay? My name’s Jason. I, uh, I know your brother pretty well, but you and I, I don’t, maybe, maybe we met at a, at a, you know what, I actually, I watched you fight, I think at a who’s number one at an event in person, but I don’t know if we met,

Jay Rodriguez (00:49):

Uh, I don’t think we’ve met, but I definitely know of you <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (00:53):

You went to one of those in person, Jason.

Jason Khalipa (00:56):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually went and saw, um, so when I went out and I was doing some, uh, I did some filming with, uh, Nicky rod and then him and I rolled in SELFA attempt planet. And then we ended up going, um, who was fighting. Um, I can’t remember who was fighting. I, I think it was, um, Nicky, Nicky, Ryan, uh, you know, Gordon’s brother was fighting. There was a couple other people fighting that night and uh, yeah, we just hung out with the crew. So yes, I went there and Rogan was actually at that, that one that I went to, it was pretty cool.

Sevan Matossian (01:27):

I’m fixing, uh, Jay’s uh, Instagram right now. Hold or is his handle right now? Hold on, copy. Um, how do I do that? I go over here and I just put, why? Why is it? I is 2.0, because you lost your first Instagram account or is it, um, just two point. Oh, like this is the new version of you.

Jay Rodriguez (01:48):

Uh, I think that was our thought behind it. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (01:51):

The second one.

Jay Rodriguez (01:52):

Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (01:53):

You were just a measly wrestler and now you’re killing machine. Yeah.

Jay Rodriguez (01:57):

I was actually wrestling at the time and I was like, how I need an easy way for people to find my Instagram and JRO was like already like just JRO alone with no numbers or anything was already taken. So this was the next best thing.

Sevan Matossian (02:12):

Hey dude, you’re doing a seminar.

Jay Rodriguez (02:17):

Yeah. First month I’m doing a seminar in Jersey, uh, or yeah, in Jersey. Um, October 29th.

Sevan Matossian (02:25):

Uh, first one.

Jay Rodriguez (02:27):

No, I’ve had a few, uh, like right before, um, or right after trials. I did a few in Jersey as well. Um, and then I did some more competitions and now I’m doing another one after, after at DCC.

Sevan Matossian (02:41):

You like doing the seminar?

Jay Rodriguez (02:44):

Yeah. It’s gotten easier. Uh, like talking in front of people and stuff. Honestly, it helps with my social skills and I have, obviously the people I train with, I I’m learning all the time, so I have a lot of stuff to teach people.

Sevan Matossian (02:59):

It’s crazy, dude. I’m so stoked for you. That’s like, uh, all your shit’s just coming together. So, so amazingly your parents must to be so proud. How old are you?

Jay Rodriguez (03:10):

I’m 20

Sevan Matossian (03:11):

Crazy dude.

Jason Khalipa (03:12):

Hey, what weight class are you fighting in? Um, at ACC,

Jay Rodriguez (03:16):

I’m doing, uh, 88 kilogram, but I’m like really light for the weight class.

Jason Khalipa (03:21):

Okay. So you’re feeling good for all the weigh-ins and all that kind of stuff?

Jay Rodriguez (03:24):

Yeah. I I’m actually like 10 to 50 pounds under, so I like should be getting bigger,

Jason Khalipa (03:30):


Sevan Matossian (03:30):

They’re 80 kilograms,

Jason Khalipa (03:33):

88, right.

Jay Rodriguez (03:34):

What was that?

Jason Khalipa (03:35):

They’re like pretty big gaps. They’re like 25 pound gaps between the different weight classes, right? Yeah. Yeah. It’s pretty big.

Jay Rodriguez (03:41):

Yeah. It’s honestly quite unfortunate cuz I’m sure there’s a lot of people like me that are like, kind of just in between the two weight classes. Like I could just lose the 10 pounds, uh, and go 77, but I’m, I’ve cut so much weight. I’m so tired of it.

Sevan Matossian (03:58):

Hey dude, that’s 194 pounds. Did you say 8 88? Two eights in a row?

Jay Rodriguez (04:02):

Yeah. 88.

Sevan Matossian (04:03):

Holy shit. Yeah. And, and you walk and, and you walk around the fat version of Jay Rod’s 180 10 pounds left than that 180 8?

Jay Rodriguez (04:11):

Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (04:12):

Or 180 4,

Jay Rodriguez (04:12):

Like, like 180, 180 5. Wow. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (04:18):

What do you think Jason’s smart. Who gives a fuck?

Jason Khalipa (04:20):

No, you know what? So, um, I actually think it’s super smart because I, uh, I mean I’m probably not as good, good at I’m sure. J I’m sure you’ve um, dropped weight quite a few times wrestling before. Um, I didn’t know how to do that cuz my, my, you know, my background’s in CrossFit and, and CrossFit, you don’t have to really ever cut weight. It, it really, weight’s just a factor of like how much, how good you’re gonna be at gymnastics verse, whatever. And so I went in and I was competing. I think it was like my third, uh, jujitsu tournament. I went in, I tried to drop weight to, uh, 2 0 8 with a Gion. And so I had to weigh like 2 0 1 and man, I just felt like shit. I just didn’t feel strong. I felt, and you know, they weighed in, they weighed me right before I went onto the match. And so it was a big learning experience for me. So yeah, this last time I just got, I just got done in master worlds and I, I, I went up to the next weight class. It was a completely different experience just cause I, I didn’t feel like that, you know, exhaustion that I felt before. So I totally get why you would do that.

Sevan Matossian (05:17):

Why are you guys watching? You’re watching because this is Jay Rodriguez. Uh, he is going to the ADCC Abu Dhabi combat club championships. It’s in Las Vegas. It’s this coming weekend. And you’re looking at a very special man. Uh, one, because he trains with a bunch of very special people. But two, because of this year, he went to the west coast trials. He won all seven matches, which you had to do anyway to go, right? Yeah. Whoever was gonna go was gonna win go. But so he goes undefeated. This is the west coast of the United States guys. No slouches over here. As, as, as Nick Diaz says last year, this is where the real GS are as he said yesterday. And uh, um, but not only that he submitted all of his guys, meaning for those, you don’t know, that means they couldn’t get away. If he wanted to, he could have extinguished them, their existence from planet earth. He didn’t though. You didn’t kill anyone, right?

Jay Rodriguez (06:11):

No, no.

Sevan Matossian (06:12):

<laugh> they tap and you let them go, right?

Jay Rodriguez (06:14):

Yes. I’m excited.

Jason Khalipa (06:15):

Are you submitted, you submitted all seven of your fights.

Jay Rodriguez (06:18):


Jason Khalipa (06:19):

Wow. That’s cool. What’s your go-to like, what did you, uh, I, I knew you qualified. I, I, I kept up on it, but I didn’t, I didn’t watch each one of your fights. Uh, so what did you finish them with? Like something similar or were they all different?

Jay Rodriguez (06:31):

Yeah. Every single one was a rare, naked choke, except for my finals mention the final match. I did a buggy choke. I don’t know if you’ve heard of that.

Jason Khalipa (06:40):

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. But all chokes, huh?

Jay Rodriguez (06:44):


Sevan Matossian (06:44):

Hey, when you do a buggy choke, is, are you always being carried around that one was the one where the guys carrying you around, right? Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Jay Rodriguez (06:50):

Yeah. So especially with,

Sevan Matossian (06:52):

And someone yelled at you to let it go. And you said no. Yeah, Uhuh,

Jay Rodriguez (06:55):

That was actually ni Nikki rod told me to drop it actually like half my team told me to drop it cuz they didn’t want me to get slammed on my neck. Um, but with ADCC, the rules are kind of weird. So with the buggy choke, like with any submission of fully locked submission, you can slam out of it. But if it’s not a fully locked submission, you can’t slam. So I had to make sure when my opponent stood up, um, it like wasn’t fully locked. So legally he wasn’t like allowed to, uh, slam me.

Sevan Matossian (07:25):

I’m looking for this video. I’m I’m gonna go to YouTube. You go to YouTube people and type in J rod, J Y space rod. And you will see a video that pops up. Number one and it is called uh, black belt. Slayer two.

Jason Khalipa (07:43):


Sevan Matossian (07:45):

Uh, you, you wanna see this? This is cool. There won’t be a second. Uh it’s 21 minutes and 57 seconds. There won’t be one second where you’re like, why am I watching this? Even if you have no interest in jujitsu, no interest in combat, uh, you’ll watch it. And you’ll be like, oh shit. As fast as 22 minutes of my life. Only thing better is the Seon podcast. So go see it. What’s the deal with, um, uh, flow in, in your relationship? I watched the video just now, right before we came on and it was posted yesterday. And it’s you going against? What is that? Gordon? Ryan’s brother. Nicky. Nicky.

Jay Rodriguez (08:16):

Oh, Nicky Ryan. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (08:17):

And this guy’s fucking trying to suffocate you <laugh> like he has his ha he has you pinned and he has his hand on your mouth. Yeah, that, that shit gave me anxiety. No shit. Oh

Jay Rodriguez (08:26):

<laugh> yes. So, uh, especially after trials, I’ve really just training with, uh, Craig Jones in general. Um, he’s made me, uh, like very toxic and I, now I like smother people and like, I like choke people and stuff like that. And I do that to Nick and Ryan because I know there’s not much else I can really do to him. So I just do shit like that to fuck with him. And now he gets angry at me and does that to me instead. So it’s uh, we don’t hate each other actually. It’s just fucking, we’re just fucking around

Jason Khalipa (09:01):

You playing with him even though you’re at B team and, and he’s cuz he’s not at B team. Right?

Jay Rodriguez (09:07):

Who? Nicky Ryan?

Jason Khalipa (09:08):

Uh, yeah.

Jay Rodriguez (09:09):

Yeah. Nick Ryan’s us.

Jason Khalipa (09:10):

Oh yeah. Nicky Ryan’s with you guys. That’s right. Yeah. Okay. Nevermind. Um, yeah. All right. So you train with, so who do you train with the most? Him and Craig.

Sevan Matossian (09:18):

Hey, it’s a fair question, Jason. It’s a weird, it’s a, it’s a weird situation. It’s a weird situation. When you try to follow out on the internet. That’s a totally fair error of Jason.

Jason Khalipa (09:26):

Yeah. Yeah, totally

Sevan Matossian (09:27):


Jason Khalipa (09:29):

Um, so do you train mainly with Craig and him?

Jay Rodriguez (09:32):

Yeah. So mainly just like the top, like the main guys I have, uh, Craig, Nikki, Ryan is close to my weight, so it’s always good. Um, Isaac as well, Isaac is Isaac’s at 80 as well. He is so tough.

Sevan Matossian (09:46):

What’s his last name?

Jay Rodriguez (09:48):

Isaac. Mitch Mitchell. Michelle. Um, he’s like when you go to take him down, it’s like running into a brick while it’s it’s so tough.

Sevan Matossian (10:00):

Wow. Is he French dude,

Jason Khalipa (10:01):

Craig qualified for ADT.

Jay Rodriguez (10:02):

He’s Australian, right? Uh, Craig got invited cause he,

Jason Khalipa (10:06):

Yeah, he got invited the last time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same with your brother. Yeah,

Jay Rodriguez (10:10):


Jason Khalipa (10:11):

Yeah. Nice dudes. So exciting. It’s you’re

Sevan Matossian (10:16):

Gonna, so you’re gonna go, I know you’re gonna go there. And how many days before you go there?

Jay Rodriguez (10:22):

Uh, I leave, I leave Thursday. So about four days

Sevan Matossian (10:27):

And you land and then, uh, you’ll get there Thursday. And then the event starts on Friday.

Jay Rodriguez (10:33):

Uh, events starts Saturday, but we have weighs Friday and uh, weighs and uh, rules meeting Friday. So all the athlete athletes will be there by Friday

Sevan Matossian (10:43):

And you’ll only, and the you’ll be at 88, uh, kilograms. And then it’ll all be the same belt as you.

Jay Rodriguez (10:52):

No. So with ADCC, like belts are relevant, right? So it’s just the top 16 grapplers in the world. Like with Ivy JF, they have like, oh, blue belt, oral champ, purple belt, war champ. But there’s, there’s no belts in B C. It’s just like all the best scrapers if you won. Uh, or you’ve placed in BCC before you’re you’re in there, you know? So

Sevan Matossian (11:14):

How many trials were there? How many trials were there around the world?

Jay Rodriguez (11:18):

I’m not sure. Actually there was, there

Jason Khalipa (11:21):

Was five or, or six or something like that.

Jay Rodriguez (11:22):

Yeah, something like that. And then on top of that, all the, like obviously the people who won, uh, ADCC the previous year, uh, they get invited or if they place well, like Nikki rod took second. So he got invited Craig Jones,

Sevan Matossian (11:37):

If there’s 16 people in the class and there’s only five events, does that mean multiple people get invited from the west coast. So the second place guy you beat also gets invited?

Jay Rodriguez (11:46):

No, not, not from the trial, but from the main tournament the previous year. So the like 20, 20, 19, uh, ADCC the world champ, not the trials, um, like the top three or four people usually get invited.

Jason Khalipa (12:02):

So VAs, like remember back in the day at the CrossFit games, like, Hey, if you won the CrossFit games, you get a automatic invite forever. And then right. You know, they changed the rules there, but, uh, which, which I think was for the betterment, by the way. Um, but in, in ADCC, it’s the same thing. Like if you show up and you’re dominant you podium, you basically get an invite later on. Uh, so I think if I’m not mistaken, I think Yuri out of cow terrace location, I don’t, I don’t think he, I think he got the invite cuz he won it um, a couple years ago as well. Yeah.

Jay Rodriguez (12:30):


Jason Khalipa (12:31):

He’s gonna be badass, Devon. You got, you got, you got stack brackets from either people that qualify through these qualifiers or who got an invite and then depending on how all these guys do, which I hope you do really well. Um, they’ll um, mow, who’s like in charge of the event, he’s in a hand select, I’m sure there’s certain criteria he looks at for different people to, to represent the absolute category. And then there’s a super fight. That’s gonna be badass too.

Sevan Matossian (12:57):

And the super fights between Gordon Ryan and that fucking giant guy, I take it out. Doesn’t speak English. Right?

Jay Rodriguez (13:03):

<laugh> he

Jason Khalipa (13:04):

Speaks English.

Sevan Matossian (13:05):

Nah, I went to his Instagram. I was thinking about inviting him on. I don’t think he speaks English that dude. No, he

Jason Khalipa (13:08):

Speaks, he speaks perfect English. Right? Does AJ?

Jay Rodriguez (13:12):

Yeah. Yeah he does. It’s just, uh, I don’t think it’s, it might not be his first language.

Sevan Matossian (13:17):

No, but he does speak English.

Jason Khalipa (13:19):

Yeah. No, it’s not his first language, but he for sure speaks, uh, okay. Speaks. You could invite him on and he could speak in perfect English.

Sevan Matossian (13:26):

Okay. And, and then, but, but then, um, but then Gordon’s also going to be in the same weight class as your brother.

Jay Rodriguez (13:35):

Yes. Yes. That’s that’s like his main, like I keep tell telling him, uh, cause he’s like training specifically for, for Gordon, cuz obviously like that’s the end all be all match. Um, for, for Nick that’s like, you gotta take one, one match at a time and I’m sure he will, but he’s just so focused on, on like that style, like competing against his Gordon style

Sevan Matossian (14:03):

That dude, um, uh Gordon’s brother, Nick, that you trained with, how much does he weigh? Is he heavier than you?

Jay Rodriguez (14:08):

No, uh, Nicki Ron’s competing at 77, so he’s actually cut in quite a bit of weight, but uh, yeah, he’s fucking shredded right now.

Sevan Matossian (14:18):

And uh, and he’s tough.

Jay Rodriguez (14:20):

Yes. Yeah. He, he, uh, can submit me whenever he wants

Jason Khalipa (14:25):

<laugh>. How, how are you feeling about that’s

Sevan Matossian (14:27):


Jay Rodriguez (14:27):


Jason Khalipa (14:28):

How are you feeling about uh, um, the brackets being released? Cuz you don’t know? Um, in a very minor way. I felt some of this anxiousness like a couple days ago I was competing, but like not even close to your guys’ level, but it’s like, you’re wondering like, Hey, who am I going up against? What’s his deal? And in my case, like, you know, um, when you find out you’re like, oh I’m curious, whose person is, I’m gonna go look him up online. The guys, I, I, I didn’t, I didn’t see anything online, but I mean for you guys, all of you guys probably know each other, at least within a certain realm, the 16, then you find out Friday night, right. Who you’re, who you’re competing against Saturday. So like I imagine the emotions are gonna be pretty like it’s almost again, Syon like the cross, the games, we don’t know what the event’s gonna be. Cuz dude, the guys that he’s gonna be competing against each one has a different kind of skillset. I imagine mean they’re all badasses, but you, so, so are you gonna basically look at who your opponent is and then based on who your opponent is, you’re gonna be able to then decide like the game plan, you’re gonna go against that individual. Is that what you’re thinking?

Jay Rodriguez (15:28):

Yes and no. Um, it’s, it’s tough for me to like study my opponents and stuff. I did this once a while back in high school and it did not work out well. Like I was just so focused on like defending and like worrying about what my opponent was doing and I never ended up getting to do what I was gonna do. I ended up losing the match and I was like, wow, I’m never doing this ever again. So, um, I like having a general idea of what my opponents are gonna do and I know what, you know, most of my opponents, I know who they are. I know what they, their general games are, but I don’t like to like study in depth cuz then I just focus so much on what they’re gonna do and I never end up getting, doing, getting to do what my game plan is.

Sevan Matossian (16:12):

They’re looking at you though and going, Hey, if this dude gets on your back, um, were toast. He, he got six rear naked chokes in the, in the trials. They know that.

Jay Rodriguez (16:21):

Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (16:22):

Everyone knows that you cannot give Jay Roger back. It, it goes downhill from that

Jason Khalipa (16:28):

Dude. It’s interesting though, with Nogi how the, the chokes are such a, like a, I wonder what the percentage is of finishes at ADCC will be chokes versus other submissions. Right? Like an I, I, I imagine it’ll be a lot of, I mean, well you tell me, what do you think you think it’s gonna be mainly like chokes or an, or, or leg locks or is it gonna be like leg entanglements or is it gonna be, I’m curious what your thoughts are there?

Jay Rodriguez (16:53):

Um, I think, uh, the previous ADCC, uh, there was a lot of leg locks. Yeah. And then now, now, uh, it’s, it’s been two or three years and uh, the game has sort of evolved now. There’s a lot of, uh, offense from people like trying to entangle your legs and stuff. So I don’t think we’re gonna see as much of like heel hooks this year. I think it’s gonna be more like people taking the back from like, uh, people trying to invert and uh, entangle legs. If I invert on Nicky, Ryan he’s immediately taking my back. Like it’s, it’s crazy. And I think, uh, the whole game is starting to move to that. So I think it’s gonna be more, uh, rare, naked chokes and things like that rather than leg blocks, like how it was the previous time.

Jason Khalipa (17:41):


Sevan Matossian (17:41):

You talk about, um, you and your brother are like opposites, right? There’s a in, well, in terms of, sorry, I’ll be more specific in terms of your approach to the game.

Jay Rodriguez (17:52):


Sevan Matossian (17:53):

Um, uh, so when you see this, oops, sorry. When you see this, um, like you don’t, do you recognize that guy?

Jay Rodriguez (18:03):

Oh no, I do not. That is a person that’s only out on the mat for like 10 minutes.

Sevan Matossian (18:09):

That is the cool part about the documentary because it kind of, it kind of gets into that, that basically like, Hey, this is a side of you that you don’t get to see either. This isn’t like something like you go home and, and see. Yeah.

Jay Rodriguez (18:24):

Yeah. Nick, Nick kind of brings like his persona, like how he is out on the mat. Like that’s just kind of who he is. 24 7. I’ve never RA I like me ripping my rash card on off. I’ve never done this ever before. Like, I don’t know. This is pure, like adrenaline. I don’t know that fired

Jason Khalipa (18:44):

Up right now. Yeah. You’re fired up. Yeah, yeah.

Jay Rodriguez (18:47):


Sevan Matossian (18:48):

Yeah. I don’t get in, in, in the first interview I did with you. It was long and I didn’t get, I don’t get any of that from you. So this is just like you just blowing off steam. This is just like, it’s kind of in CrossFit. So if Jason knows his, his snatches 300, his met PR in the gym and then he goes out onto the field and he, and he snatches more, he snatches three 30. He can be like, holy shit. I have a metric to see how much better I was with the crowd and with the intensity and the pressure and living in the moment. But you ki kind of in jujitsu, you don’t really have a metric for that. Like you could be performing out there. Um, the guy out there that we see ripping off a shirt might actually be able to be, uh, Nicky Ryan. Yeah. But that guy just won’t that guy doesn’t just show up in the gym.

Jay Rodriguez (19:31):

No. Yeah. I can’t, I can’t do that. <laugh> I, I don’t know when, like, I don’t know what happens, I guess it’s just under the lights.

Sevan Matossian (19:39):

Um, is it equivalent to like, uh, um, like me not wanting to dance at a school dance in the sixth grade? Like, I, I just would never do it. I just would stick to the wall, but, but, but, but, but in my bedroom I would just dance right. With no one around. Is that kind of how it is? Like when you’re out there and it’s that intense? It’s just fucking whatever. Just

Jay Rodriguez (19:59):

Yeah. Yeah. I think so. But I don’t, I don’t know. I don’t know why I reacted like me screaming, all that guy’s back. I, I don’t know. I don’t know. That’s just, so unlike me, like in my training, I’m like, I’m calm. Like I’m thinking about what I’m doing. Uh, like, but when I’m in competition, it’s just, it’s just so different,

Jason Khalipa (20:21):

Dude. That was such, that was so smooth to watch right there, dude. You

Jay Rodriguez (20:26):


Sevan Matossian (20:27):

That was, you are pretty incredible to watch move.

Jason Khalipa (20:29):

Oh man. I can’t wait to, I I’ll be out there. I’m really looking forward to watching you compete. Um, sweet. I, uh, I’m looking forward to watching quite a few guys, you know, Mason, Fowler, uh, yeah. You know, you, your brother, um, your there’s a bunch of guys I’m looking forward to watching compete. So yeah. Um, to, uh, just before I jump off Sivan, uh, Melissa was wondering how I did, uh, Jay, I think this might relate. Have you ever lo I I’m sure. I don’t know what the answer to this is either in wrestling or in jujitsu, have you like, had a match where you felt like you were like the more aggressive, but the score was even, and then the, the referee gave it to the other person. Have you had that happen to you before?

Jay Rodriguez (21:08):

Uh, yeah, actually in jujitsu, my, my first who’s number one match was against a guy from new wave. Um, and he’s actually in my weight class for, uh, ADCC as well. Um, had a match. He took my, the matches 15 minutes long. He took my back in like minute, two minutes in and I was focused on escaping for like 10 minutes. He had my back for like 10 minutes I escape. And, um, I, after that I take him down like two to three times. I, I passed his guard a few times. I even took his back at the end and almost, uh, locked up a choke. And, uh, at the end they still gave it to him, which was kind of like in the moment I was like, okay. Yeah, he, he had my back for 10 minutes. Yes. But I kind of did more. And like in 80, 80 CCC rule set, like technically I kind of won that match because at the beginning there’s no first half the match. There’s no points and the points are on a, after the first half. Um, so all those points from the take downs and passing the guard, like that’s, you know, a lot of points that I would’ve scored if it was in a different rule set. So it’s, it’s tough. It’s really frustrating.

Jason Khalipa (22:28):

Yeah. I was telling, I told Savon this, but you know, my, my, I competed at, um, so I was at purple belt at the, um, uh, master world’s first match went really well. Second match, uh, do mean this guy, we end up just standing up for the full five minutes, but it’s so short, you know, five minutes. Isn’t very long. Yeah. And I got an advantage. I took ’em down, but I didn’t, I didn’t, you know, control the position. Then he ended up getting advantage. And then dude, I was just, you know, we ended up, um, going to a ref’s decision and it was so frustrating because like, I feel like I was, you know, the more aggressive, whatever, but it’s like, dude, at the end of the day, it is what it is. I should have been more dominant. I should have left it, not up to the choice of the ref. And so that ended my, uh, my jujitsu. So just so you know, most that’s what happened is I won my first match by really well. And then second match was not so good.

Sevan Matossian (23:16):

I thought, correct me if I’m wrong. I thought if it, if it was kind of a tie that it’s whoever scored the last points or whoever did best at the end gets the win. So that I saw my kid went four, four in a jujitsu match this weekend, he lost. And I said why? And they said, because the other person was, uh, scored the points last. And then one of my other kids was in a match and it was zero, zero, but he attempted four takedowns. But at the very end, the girl just kind of spun him around and almost took his back standing, but didn’t, and he lost that match. And someone said, Hey, it’s whoever does the last aggressive thing, but that wouldn’t make sense for JRO. Yeah. Cause JRO did do the last, like five or six aggressive things towards the guy.

Jay Rodriguez (23:52):

Yeah. I, it just, it depends on the rule set. It depends on where you’re competing. It depends on the ref, you know, it’s, there’s so many, that’s a thing with jujitsu. Like I said, there’s so many different rule sets. It’s kind of frustrating to, uh, you can’t just go to a I B JF and then, uh, go to an ad C with the same kind of style and, and expect to, uh, like have the same outcome. It’s it’s kind of, it’s really different.

Jason Khalipa (24:18):

Yeah. I’m excited to see which one like takes off. I mean, it seems like ADCC, you know, for, for people who are listening are more like the CrossFit space, um, in, in CrossFit, there’s a general rule set, right? It’s like rep sets, but the events could be totally different. You don’t know what you’re gonna do, but in jujitsu what’s, what’s I guess tough about it is like, if you go IBJ JF and you’re going GE there’s rules in GE, then there’s GE rules in Nogi. Then there’s different time domains, depending if you’re a master and what belt you’re at allows you to do different submissions. Yeah. And there’s a bunch of rules. And, and then, then you have ADCC where sometimes you have 15, it matches other times you have 30, sometimes you have unlimited. And so I wonder in the future, what’ll happen with jujitsu about like, Hey, this is gonna be the best for the fans. This was gonna grow our sport. It’s gonna be, you know, 10, 15, whatever it comes out to be, I’m curious, what’ll end up being, because the five minute matches, it’s just, it’s so short. It just it’s, it’s just, it’s it just doesn’t seem like that’s gonna help grow the sport much because it’s not very to watch, you know?

Jay Rodriguez (25:22):

Yeah. Fi there’s only so much you can do in five minutes, you know, five minutes. I’m like just getting started.

Jason Khalipa (25:29):


Jay Rodriguez (25:31):

It can be super frustrating. Especially those Ivy GF matches. I, I competed dig GF and I got into a, a leg entitlement and they’re like, oh, you’re a blue belt. So you can’t like, you can’t read, you can’t do all these things. And I’m like, just getting started. I’m like, I don’t really know, like all these, like, I don’t even know what reaping is. Yeah. So like I got into the leg entanglement. I still won the match, but I’m like, I froze. I’m like, why am I thinking about these extra rules right now? Like, it’s just, it wasn’t good for me. It didn’t work for me.

Jason Khalipa (26:02):

Yeah. Um, well Savon, I gotta jump and grab some dinner, but Jason, thanks

Sevan Matossian (26:07):

For, thanks for poking your head in.

Jason Khalipa (26:09):

Yeah, of course. Amen. Congratulations on the awesome achievement to qualify for ADCC. You know, I know how much work people are putting in. I know how much work you’re probably, I, I can only imagine how much work you’re putting in. So congratulations on all that. And I just can’t wait to go see you, go put it out there. Um, I’ll be cheering for you, man.

Sevan Matossian (26:26):

Jay don’t leave. I’m keeping you 10 more minutes. All

Jason Khalipa (26:29):

All right, let it go.

Sevan Matossian (26:30):

Thanks, Clea. Um, speaking of hard work, how much are you training?

Jay Rodriguez (26:37):

So, um, usually we’ll do in this camp. We, we usually do, uh, three days of a week. We’ll do, uh, two sessions and then, uh, the rest of the days we’ll do one session. And then, uh, sometimes we’ll do like some cardio on the garage, just some extra stuff here and there

Sevan Matossian (26:59):

Are, are you and your brother on the same train regimen. So, so basically you’re in the gym at the same. You’re in the, uh, you’re, you’re practicing jujitsu at the same time. And then you guys go do other training together.

Jay Rodriguez (27:11):

Yeah. Yeah. So usually I honestly, Nick does so much more because he is like, I don’t know. We’re kind of like on different pages. I feel like my body is falling apart and I feel like, okay, I need to recover. And Nick is like, okay, I’m gonna go recover by doing cardio 40 minutes on this wrong machine. And I’m like, is that, is that recovery? Like, that’s just another workout.

Sevan Matossian (27:40):

Oh, and what, what do you do to recover?

Jay Rodriguez (27:43):

I mean, I sleep make sure I’m eating enough. I mean, we work out a lot, so it’s, it’s really rough to like, have another workout as recovery.

Sevan Matossian (27:55):

Yeah. I, um, he sounds like he’s almost addicted to it. Like I am like, if, if for me when I’m in pain or when I’m tired, that’s what I want to do too. I, I mean, I don’t want to, I just wanna get, I wanna start doing meta. I wanna row or ride a bike or do something to start sweating.

Jay Rodriguez (28:10):

Yeah. I would say Nick is obsessed. That’s that’s the word? Obsessed.

Sevan Matossian (28:18):

Do you have a day job?

Jay Rodriguez (28:19):

No, I am for <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (28:23):

So, so basically the seminar game is important to you also. Yeah,

Jay Rodriguez (28:27):

Yeah, absolutely. Um, yeah. I need to, uh, like I have sponsors and stuff, so I’m kind of like staying Aflo now, but honestly it’s really, I’m like, I’m alive because I live with Nick. You know what I mean? Like I’m, I, I pay for like a half the food and stuff or whatever, but it’s like, he’s, he’s paying rent. Like I’m sleeping in his house for basically free. Um, so thank God I have a fucking loving family.

Sevan Matossian (28:57):

<laugh> how does that work? I never had any brother. I think it, it would be kind of cool up until a point like you guys are both young enough. He did tell me he was engaged, but I would feel like you’re both young enough for it. It’s kind of fun, right? Like he’s probably enjoying playing the big brother and you enjoying playing the little brother, like in the same breath that you say, Hey, I, we have different, um, approaches. Um, he, he steps onto the field with the bravado. I don’t like to do that. It puts too much pressure on me. But at the other time you’ve said that when you’re out there, um, scrapping with some cats, uh, when Nikki, uh, I think he even used the word angel. You said, when you hear him coaching, you it’s like an angel talking to you. I was like, wow, this shit is fucking awesome. I wish I had a brother.

Jay Rodriguez (29:37):

Yeah. That I was actually talking about Nicki Ryan, Nicky. Ryan is,

Sevan Matossian (29:42):


Jay Rodriguez (29:42):

When I said that,

Sevan Matossian (29:44):

Yes. Sorry. Sorry, Nicky rod. Sorry,

Jay Rodriguez (29:47):

Nicky. Ryan’s like the way he speaks about technique is so helpful. It’s it’s just ridiculous.

Sevan Matossian (29:55):

Are, are you guys close? You guys are friends, friends, like you guys would go to a movie together.

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