#574 – HillerFit Review Show

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam more life. If, if, if I bring it, if I bring up the anal beads and you don’t wanna talk about it, just like

Andrew Hiller (00:08):

<laugh> Hey, you’re actually the wrong person about anal beads.

Sevan Matossian (00:14):

I got a, uh, I got a CrossFit. Um, no, no CrossFit. Geez, take two. I that’s why it’s scary doing live shows. I got a, uh, Seon podcast, skateboard, the guy, uh, Travis, over to vindicate made it for me.

Andrew Hiller (00:27):

Oh, I’m wearing the wrong one. I thought I was wearing that shirt. I’m wearing this one.

Sevan Matossian (00:31):

Adrian BOS Bosman is also wow. Who made that?

Andrew Hiller (00:35):


Sevan Matossian (00:36):

Damn that’s sacri. Did you,

Andrew Hiller (00:38):

Did you, did you get all of your shirts?

Sevan Matossian (00:41):


Andrew Hiller (00:41):

Did. I, I got, I got the shirt. Oh fuck. This. Isn’t it.

Sevan Matossian (00:44):

You really did get the shirt.

Andrew Hiller (00:48):

You know what I’m talking about?

Sevan Matossian (00:49):

Yeah. Yeah. I think he should have made that more of a silhouette, although, although I did approve it. Oh, is it the, the cult one?

Andrew Hiller (00:57):


Sevan Matossian (01:00):

Yeah. It’s it’s it’s it’s <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (01:06):

Dude, dude, I always give him such a hard time. Like, why aren’t you putting it into production?

Sevan Matossian (01:11):

It’s pretty explicit.

Andrew Hiller (01:13):

<laugh> I know. Hey,

Sevan Matossian (01:15):

I think maybe it needs to be a little, um, more, hold it up one more time. I think maybe it needs to be a little more ambiguous. Is that the term I’m?

Andrew Hiller (01:23):

Well, well dude, here’s the thing I was wearing it the other day. And then I went out to the grocery store and I was like, uh

Sevan Matossian (01:29):

<laugh> wow. That’s strong at the grocery store.

Andrew Hiller (01:33):

And I was just like, I don’t think I can walk around the grocery store with a shared the, just content on it.

Sevan Matossian (01:38):

Strong as

Andrew Hiller (01:40):

Much as I’d like to. Uh, well, here’s the thing I was giving tomorrow. I’m dude, put it out, put it out, put it out. And then I showed the design to a couple, the people and the reactions of the people were not as happy and excited as, as mine were about it. So I was like, I see why he doesn’t wanna do it.

Sevan Matossian (01:56):

<laugh> they’re going, uh, that would be a huge seller in, um,

Andrew Hiller (02:00):


Sevan Matossian (02:01):

Yes. Thank you. Wow. Shit. Mind reader.

Andrew Hiller (02:03):

I know we, we spend too much time together,

Sevan Matossian (02:07):

Australia, the home of the great QUT. Uh, I don’t know if my phone’s hooked up. Someone probably has to call in. I, because I took the phone on the road with me.

Andrew Hiller (02:18):


Sevan Matossian (02:19):

And, um, it may have disconnected, but it looks like it’s working.

Andrew Hiller (02:26):

So where does this picture that you put up of this alligator?

Sevan Matossian (02:31):

Oh, so I just made the, I made wow. The couch got some shit on it.

Andrew Hiller (02:36):

It’s always head shit

Sevan Matossian (02:38):

On it. It does it really time. Every day. It’s got a tripod on it and a hat and some notebooks.

Andrew Hiller (02:45):

Somebody wants to know your email address, just so you know

Sevan Matossian (02:48):

It should, it should be a dog. There should be a dog on there. That’s like almost dead. It’s Sev Matossian, gmail.com. Sev Matossian, Gmail. Mike, the sauce. Chelsea Miller. Here we go. Oh, phone check, phone, check

Andrew Hiller (03:08):

Phone. May not be able to wear that tennis practice.

Sevan Matossian (03:10):

That’s great. Mr. Jeffrey high

Jeffrey (03:13):

What’s up Savon? Just giving you a little test call.

Sevan Matossian (03:15):

I appreciate it. Yeah. I don’t think that one. I don’t think that one wears any well where, well, except maybe the podcast. If I was drunk, maybe I’ll wear that. The like if I ever wear that, you know, I’ve been drinking

Andrew Hiller (03:28):

<laugh> do you have, do you have it right?

Sevan Matossian (03:31):

Uh, yeah, I do. I have one. It was strong. It was it’s strong. It’s strong. It’s a strong shirt. It’s it’s explicit.

Andrew Hiller (03:37):

The strongest shirt. That shirt that I own. I have a shirt that says sleeves are bullshit on it. It’s a tanked top. And I tried to get into six flags wearing that and they wouldn’t let me wear it. And they made me turn it inside out. It’s the first time. Wait,

Sevan Matossian (03:49):

What did it say? What did it say? Sleeves are

Andrew Hiller (03:52):

Sleeves are bullshit. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (03:53):

Wow. That’s a no go at six flags.

Andrew Hiller (03:56):

Don’t wear profanity. It’s like wearing a Nore shirt in the media booth of the CrossFit games.

Sevan Matossian (04:02):


Andrew Hiller (04:03):


Sevan Matossian (04:04):

Jeffrey. Yeah. Jeffrey Birchfield is a gentleman. I bet you, he has no shirts with swear words on it.

Jeffrey (04:09):

Absolutely not.

Sevan Matossian (04:11):

I know it. All right. Well and your gentleman for calling and testing out my phone. I appreciate it.

Jeffrey (04:16):

You bet. The only one I have is the newest one from, um, good dude’s coffee that says Dave Castro slash is a good dude. Not a prick.

Sevan Matossian (04:28):

Wow. <laugh> wow. That’s cuz he doesn’t program the games anymore. That’s actually a dig at Dave

Jeffrey (04:35):

<laugh>. All right guys. We all have a good evening.

Sevan Matossian (04:39):

Thank you, Jeffrey. I drink paper street, coffee. It’s uh, P a P E R S T coffee.com. You don’t spell out street or else you go to the wrong place, use the code seven, get 10% off, send a nude photo of yourself and get 15% off. Here are my Hiller fit, review notes. I’m glad I have them.

Andrew Hiller (05:06):

How many did you have to watch? And what did you do while you were watching them this time? Cause you were doing random cramp in the, the Newport house.

Sevan Matossian (05:14):

I, I rode the assault bike in two weeks. I came home and just jumped right on the fucking assault bike. Like literally got outta my car and got on the assault bike and uh, calling you. And I just started, uh, and I just started watching them. I watched them backwards. I watched them from the end. Oh, let me see if I can pull it up. Actually

Andrew Hiller (05:29):

I gotta pull mine up just so I know like what we’re talking about. I’ve told you that before, right? Like sometimes it just kind, I, I forget.

Sevan Matossian (05:38):

There’s so many videos. I totally get it. Hey, you know what? I need to just give you access to my back end

Andrew Hiller (05:45):

So that,

Sevan Matossian (05:46):

So that you can so that you can just, uh, run my back Hiller fit, review, show birth of an empire.

Andrew Hiller (05:55):

That was an old one of yours. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (05:57):

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was yours. Where’s oh, I like this. I type in Hiller fit. And the three videos that pop up are the Seon podcast. Videos.

Andrew Hiller (06:09):

You motherfucker. That’s how many, how many, uh, subscribers do you have now? Have I caught you since your, your games bump?

Sevan Matossian (06:15):

Since, since I tricked you into working on my show for the games

Andrew Hiller (06:19):

<laugh> yeah. Uh, you, you, you went up by like a thousand on me. I’ve been slowly chipping away at you.

Sevan Matossian (06:25):

This is incredible. Uh, YouTube. I have, uh, your channel. Um, how do I see? I don’t see how many subscribers I have.

Andrew Hiller (06:37):

Well, no, I know that you have 18,800. I wanna know exactly how many you have.

Sevan Matossian (06:42):

Oh, do I go to

Andrew Hiller (06:43):

Man? I, I also have 18,800.

Sevan Matossian (06:46):

I go to manage videos and then I go to what analytics?

Andrew Hiller (06:50):

Correct? Or

Sevan Matossian (06:52):

Thousand 800.

Andrew Hiller (06:56):

I have 18 or

Sevan Matossian (07:00):


Andrew Hiller (07:02):


Sevan Matossian (07:03):


Andrew Hiller (07:06):

Now we just gotta wait till the next CrossFit games where you can pass me up again. Bye. Or maybe the, the, are we talking about the ZELOS games or are we not talking about

Sevan Matossian (07:14):

That? No, we can talk about that.

Andrew Hiller (07:15):

Okay. You’re gonna do some stuff with our guy, Jared, right?

Sevan Matossian (07:19):

Yeah. I’m really excited. I’m really, really, really, really, really excited that’s thing. You’re you’re gonna, I took a test this morning and my testosterone levels came back at 1 75. I know for a fact it’s higher, but I’m a little concerned.

Andrew Hiller (07:37):

Wait, I know for a fact I got two of them, right? Yeah. That’s test. This had no that’s you read that entirely wrong. Are, did you do that on purpose? I

Sevan Matossian (07:47):

Did. Cause I was reading it. It

Andrew Hiller (07:48):

Was like swirling around in my head the wrong way. And I was like 1 75. Fuck sucks. But he got two right with it.

Sevan Matossian (07:55):

See, that’s why I’m never gonna get my testosterone tested cuz I’m gonna, I’m gonna tell you and you’re gonna be like, oh shit. I didn’t know. It could be negative four.

Andrew Hiller (08:03):

Do you remember the episode?

Sevan Matossian (08:05):

It’s gonna come back and say none. What

Andrew Hiller (08:07):

Grazer was on one of your podcast? I believe. And he was talking about how he never wanted to get it done or maybe he got it done. And he had somebody else look at the results. And then all he wanted to know was whether or not he was good. Cuz he didn’t wanna know what it was at. Cuz it would kinda get to him if it was like, well, what if my results were at 400 and everyone else at 600, he didn’t want that. Had to get in his head.

Sevan Matossian (08:29):

Yeah, I understand. I understand. I feel you. That being said every day, someone in my, and every time I say that, no one in my DMS ever’s like, Hey, good job Savon. Everyone’s always like, dude, I’m on that shit. It’s the greatest thing that ever happened to me.

Andrew Hiller (08:45):

What do you mean good job. Sev. Don’t get your

Sevan Matossian (08:49):

Like, no like, like when I go to my look at my DMS later on tonight, there’s not gonna be a DM in there that says, Hey, that’s really cool. I, I respect the fact that you don’t check your, uh, get your blood work done. They all are gonna say the opposite, dude. Suck it up and quit being a bitch. Get your fucking I got on T four years ago is the best thing I ever did.

Andrew Hiller (09:06):

Well, even if you, in relation to like not getting just your testosterone checks, most people in like you’re 50, right? I I, when you’re 50, 60, you’re supposed to get like your PSA tested and all

Sevan Matossian (09:20):

That. I had a dude stick his fingers in my ass. Don’t talk to me.

Andrew Hiller (09:23):

You’re good. You’re good. You’re good. Talk to me. You went, you went the, you went the extra mile. You got your <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (09:30):

I oh, this was, this was kind of new breaking ground for you. You threw a short in there.

Andrew Hiller (09:37):

Yeah. I, I heard that that’s worth doing um, I, I, I’m trying to dip my tone to some other stuff and I, I don’t really like doing it because when you click on my videos button, it messes with the, the, the look at that. It looks fucking disgusting. It just sits there. Like I see sore thumb and I hate it.

Sevan Matossian (09:56):

I see the, the, the artist in you struggling with that

Andrew Hiller (09:59):

Uhhuh. I had, I had a subscriber though. <laugh> for putting that

Sevan Matossian (10:06):

Up there. You got one subscriber.

Andrew Hiller (10:07):

I picked up one from that video. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (10:09):

Hey, I didn’t look at this one. Everyone is wrong about loan forgiveness.

Andrew Hiller (10:15):

Oh yeah. I actually, that was also, if we’re talking about things that aren’t common of myself, it has absolutely nothing to do with CrossFit.

Sevan Matossian (10:23):

And I didn’t, I didn’t see this one either. These are so I gotta go back and watch these two.

Andrew Hiller (10:27):

Oh dude.

Sevan Matossian (10:28):

I didn’t watch

Andrew Hiller (10:29):

This about that one.

Sevan Matossian (10:30):

I didn’t watch this one. Either.

Andrew Hiller (10:32):

That one did well. I’m shocked.

Sevan Matossian (10:34):

I don’t think I watched this one either. Oh yeah. Yeah. Maybe I did watch that one. Maybe I did watch

Andrew Hiller (10:39):

That one. That’s the one I made in the airport.

Sevan Matossian (10:42):

So I didn’t watch the high rocks. Yeah. Holy shit, dude. I’m telling you Hunter’s a needle mover.

Andrew Hiller (10:47):

Hunter’s the man.

Sevan Matossian (10:49):

Yeah. He’s a needle mover. Everyone hates him and he is a needle mover. And when you hang out with him, there’s nothing to hate.

Andrew Hiller (10:56):

Why do people hate hunter?

Sevan Matossian (10:58):

It just it’s. Uh, I’m gonna tell you the truth. It’s not that people don’t. The people are the, the, the group that’s the most marginalized group in the United States. The only marginalized group are redheads. People just have this thing for redheaded dudes. They

Andrew Hiller (11:12):

Hate all they hate redheaded dudes. Yep.

Sevan Matossian (11:15):

This one’s is so crazy. This Lavita baby comp train.

Andrew Hiller (11:20):

What’s crazy about it.

Sevan Matossian (11:22):

Um, first of all,

Andrew Hiller (11:23):

Usually you got notes. You don’t just say, dude, this was crazy.

Sevan Matossian (11:25):

Okay. I gotta pull this. This was crazy. I gotta pull this down then, then to look at my notes. Okay, here we go.

Andrew Hiller (11:29):

And usually you have those things printed off. What’s up with you?

Sevan Matossian (11:32):

I, I got it over here on my, on my screen. I know I, I fucked up I’m I’m out of practice. Uh, um, so, so in that 22nd video, 27 sec. Oh, you know what? I’m you know what I’m gonna do? I have three monitors. Fuck this. I can ball. I’ll move this over here.

Andrew Hiller (11:48):


Sevan Matossian (11:50):

And I’ll do share screen with this. Uh, no, I’ll do Chrome tab. Andrew, Hillary YouTube. Bam. Oh, look at that. Okay. Um, this one right here, test positive and competes. Uh, oh, first let’s take care of Austin Hartman here that test this. So this guy was taking a test to move up rank in some military organization, let’s say the army. And I think he was on the show this morning or something. And he told us that he had to take the test. And now he’s saying the test had 175 questions and he knows he got, uh, two of them. Right?

Andrew Hiller (12:33):

Which questions? That, that question’s on the screen for a little while.

Sevan Matossian (12:37):

Uh, I love hunter. Oh, I thought that’s funny. When I read that over here, I thought it was, I love Hiller. Um, same,

Andrew Hiller (12:44):

Same, but different

Sevan Matossian (12:46):

Comp train. More like flop chain. Now here’s the deal. You, I, I, you were actually pretty nice to them in that video.

Andrew Hiller (12:53):

You always say that you always say that, you know,

Sevan Matossian (12:56):

I do

Andrew Hiller (12:57):

Every single time you say I’m too

Sevan Matossian (12:59):

Nice. Well, well, no, you weren’t too nice. I, I, you weren’t too nice, but, but you, you were, you were, um, basically what’s crazy is you were a, uh, a Ben Berger, Ona. You watched all of Ben shit.

Andrew Hiller (13:13):

Do you see that? It’s about four years of listening to every single podcast. People think I just talk shit for no reason. No, I, I, I got reasons.

Sevan Matossian (13:22):

And, and then, and then basically, I, I, what you claim in the video that you, he ran out of content that it started becoming basically

Andrew Hiller (13:32):

From like the same three or four books that he reads.

Sevan Matossian (13:35):

Okay. And, um, did you find something disingenuous about that? Because here’s what the video says. The video comes across like this Ben Berger. Run’s great. But once you get what you need from him, it’s time to move on, but kind of in real. And, and so that’s what I thought was pretty nice. But in real life, I feel like you’re more on the side of comp, not comp train it’s flop train. Like you’re a little more aggressive in real life about it. Like, like, like it kind of BU like you think he should, since he keeps saying the shit over and over, maybe he should stop publishing.

Andrew Hiller (14:08):

I think that that’s good for a certain subset of people. And I think that I also said that in the video, which was people getting into CrossFit and it’s good if you’re recycling the same stuff, because new people are always entering and they all need to hear it. However, and I think you’re seeing this, it doesn’t work for the high end athletes after you’ve been with him for as long as Frazier was with him, which wasn’t very long a year at most. And Mason, Mitchell, you say that one had zero substance. I look at my comments section and I don’t think that that was the case. And I think that what we’re talking about here also means that it wasn’t the case, but I wanna know why it had

Sevan Matossian (14:47):

Serious substance. What was the I like, I like the part where you, you, you talked about, um, the, um, thing with Cole Sager part and spirit and the spirit of the games award. Yeah. And then you

Andrew Hiller (14:57):

Show up

Sevan Matossian (14:58):

And then you said, I wonder, uh, if I can find that, and then you put the little gangster glasses on yourself. That

Andrew Hiller (15:04):

Was cool. Right. That that’s me with my extreme editing skills. I wouldn’t have able to do that two months ago.

Sevan Matossian (15:09):

Uh, so, so do you dislike him

Andrew Hiller (15:15):


Sevan Matossian (15:15):


Andrew Hiller (15:17):

My disdain for Burg on comes from the fact that I’ve had athletes who have done some things in the sport. And I guess at this point, I’ve kind of talked about it quite a bit, but in the time, in the moment, it was never me trying to do anything with myself because of that athlete. And I have a huge sense of him trying to ride the crap out’s coattails from a of years of her doing really well for changing her mindset about some rope climb, where the programming may have changed a bit where they don’t show up quite as much. Does that make sense?

Sevan Matossian (15:50):

So, so

Andrew Hiller (15:51):

Jumps a

Sevan Matossian (15:52):

Board. So there’s two different things here. Do you think it’s not okay for coaches to take credit for their athlete success?

Andrew Hiller (16:00):

I don’t know of a single coach who does.

Sevan Matossian (16:02):

Okay. Absolutely.

Andrew Hiller (16:03):

Well, and I’m gonna probably get unfucked by somebody who knows something about a college football coach or a college and, or college basketball coach, but I don’t know bill Bellick doing that. People do it for him.

Sevan Matossian (16:14):

Okay. And the other thing is

Andrew Hiller (16:16):


Sevan Matossian (16:17):

And then, so, so that kind of like, that makes you, you don’t like that style of his, the way he presents himself is maybe taking credit, which I don’t know if he does or doesn’t, but well,

Andrew Hiller (16:27):

You look at T and Shane, so, but,

Sevan Matossian (16:30):

But, but is the man, but when is Ben taking credit? You’ve heard him say, Hey, look what I’ve done.

Andrew Hiller (16:36):

It’s it’s not in the way is not the exact words that he says, it’s in the way he says the words that he says,

Sevan Matossian (16:44):


Andrew Hiller (16:45):

We do this to do that. If it weren’t for my methods and this success or these things, she would’ve have had her success that you follow that or does

Sevan Matossian (16:55):

That yeah, no, that’s gnarly that no, that’s really gnarly. That’s over the top. That’s like, that’s more than saying, you’re great. That’s just saying you’re the, you’re one of the linchpins.

Andrew Hiller (17:06):

Do you not hear that now? Having like, if, if you, if you can reflect upon things, you’ve heard him say in the past, that’s the, here’s

Sevan Matossian (17:14):

The thing. I only know Ben Bergeron as a guy who reads, um, uh, books, like books of wisdom and, and talks about what he read and, and, and the fact that he did a bunch of woke shit that I fucking don’t understand someone as wise as him could have fucking, possibly done. That’s only, but I, but whenever, you know what I mean, that’s the two pieces I like when I think of Ben bur I think, wow, he he’s read a lot of cool books and he’s able to share that knowledge with people. And then holy fuck. He really put up glass shields in his gyms and pushed the fucking narrative that there was something to be scared of when not a single fucking, except the fat Italian in Belgium who died. I mean like, what the fuck? You, you know, where now we’re approaching theoretically, there’s more evidence that CrossFitters have died from the vaccine than from COVID.

Andrew Hiller (18:00):

Oh, fuck.

Sevan Matossian (18:02):

Wow. Anyway, the other thing that you don’t like, here’s the other thing you don’t like, you don’t like the fact that his ath, you don’t think his athletes are getting better. You think that that’s,

Andrew Hiller (18:16):


Sevan Matossian (18:16):

The biggest thing. What about Laura? HVAT in her handstand pushing, like

Andrew Hiller (18:19):

Helping, I can’t give you a direct quote, but it’s in just about every third thing. He says somehow some way

Sevan Matossian (18:25):

I’m coming up with funky ass shit. Like every single day, Snoop dog. Um, uh, um, what about Laura HVAT can, how, how many years are you gonna give her? What’s harder to fix. Let’s start here. KA and David’s daughter’s rope climbs. Are they still a problem?

Andrew Hiller (18:45):

They’re still little problem relative to the field. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (18:48):

Laura Horts, handstand pushups, or Hailey Adam’s strength, which one’s easier to fix,

Andrew Hiller (18:55):

Huh? Uh, probably Katherine’s rope, plumes,

Sevan Matossian (18:58):

And then Hailey’s strength.

Andrew Hiller (19:00):

And Hailey’s strength is the hardest to fix because it takes the most time because it’s so, uh, it’s been a glaring weakness for as, I mean, one she’s outta wrap her head around it. Maybe she should do some Ben Berger on training to fix that and wrap her head around the fact that she’s gotta actually take some time off of the cardiovascular and Metcons, but once she gets past that, she’s actually gotta take the time to develop the strength and get to where she’s gotta be relative to the field. It’s all relative to the field.

Sevan Matossian (19:31):

You showed something. I don’t know if, if I saw it right. Uh, cuz I was pedalling high RPMs over 60. Um <laugh> and you said that Katherine one, one year snatched 200 and the next year she was struggling with 180 5 that’s fucking freaky that’s that’s freak

Andrew Hiller (19:48):

That’s that’s. And the only kickback as I always think about like what can people try to beat me up with in the comment section is that that was at the cross day games where they’ve done a handful of events. And the one was at the invitational where I believe it was the fourth event of the invitational, but they were separated by three to four years. And you would figure at minimum she’d be able to do the same thing if not better. Cuz everyone else is getting better. The exception of like the Matt Frazier, who’s already winning every single year that Matt Frazier can snatch 300 pounds. He doesn’t have to go to three 30. He can just continuously get two 90 and like finish top three. And that’s what he is happy with. And Katherine was top five. And then with her snatch of there, she finished at his top 10 and she’s moving down the leaderboard where she would’ve been towards the top three years earlier.

Sevan Matossian (20:39):

You listened to all of his content that he put out for four years. Does, does he, um, is it all, uh, is it, what category would you put it in, in sort of the mental category? Like did you ever listen to a show where he talks, um, for 30 minutes about how to do a deadlift? Like you did the other day?

Andrew Hiller (20:57):


Sevan Matossian (20:58):

You don’t remember a single show of him doing that.

Andrew Hiller (21:01):

Maybe why you would deadlift, but it’s not kind of the mechanics of it. None of that. No, absolutely not.

Sevan Matossian (21:09):

By the way, I’ve been around the best fucking coaches in the fucking world for fucking 15 years on deadlift. And, and I’m not saying that, um, that someone hasn’t been around more better deadlift coaches, I’m just saying I’ve been around a lot. And I know there’s people who’ve been around 10 times more than me, but I gotta be in the 1% of 1%

Andrew Hiller (21:29):

Of people who have been around coaches

Sevan Matossian (21:31):

Who talk about deadlifting like, I’ve just heard so much. And I learned shit in your video that I act and I was actually doing it. What’s crazy is I was actually doing a five by

Andrew Hiller (21:41):

When, because CrossFit com posted it the day after I put up

Sevan Matossian (21:44):

That video. No, today I ironically today I, today I was right. Basically I rode the assault bike for uh, um, uh, 10 calories making sure the RPMs got up to 90, at least once in those 10 calories and then got off and did five deadlifts for 10 rounds. And I, and I, and as you talk, as I watched your deadlift video for people don’t know, it’s how to deadlift for dummies. Holy shit. It’s fucking good, dude. Congratulations. It’s fucking dumb. Thanks.

Andrew Hiller (22:09):

That was a different one. People like that one and

Sevan Matossian (22:11):

That one’s anywhere near

Andrew Hiller (22:12):

As well as the wonder I talk shit about comp train. So if anyone wants to know why I don’t make more of those it’s because they get one fifth of views, one of

Sevan Matossian (22:23):

Views, the fingertip, uh, talk the mix grip, which I call switch grip, but I know everyone else calls it a mix grip. Uh, that was interesting. The thing about pushing your shoulders down, I had never heard that. How

Andrew Hiller (22:34):

Did it help it help?

Sevan Matossian (22:35):

Yeah, fuck. Yeah. It helped, uh, uh, the thing that, so I it’s weird too. How much you’ve experimented

Andrew Hiller (22:41):

A lot.

Sevan Matossian (22:42):

Yeah. Like you talk about all the different foot positions. I’ve never heard anyone say to get as narrow as you can. I’ve always heard to get in your jumping position. So I, I like that to try that. I, you

Andrew Hiller (22:53):

Know, it make sense why I said to get as narrow as you

Sevan Matossian (22:55):

Can. Yeah. Yes. For

Andrew Hiller (22:57):

Saw the mechanical

Sevan Matossian (22:58):

For your body Uhhuh, just like in, just in, in the opposite is snatch grip. Deadlift is, is fucking harder. Gnarly. Yeah. Um, uh, the thing that I was, uh, tripping on is the activation of the, uh, hamstrings, because I go back and forth between starting my deadlift, like a squat and starting it the way you said. And every time I go back and forth, I’m like, fuck, I should be doing it this way. And then like, so I’d been doing which way I like, whatever way is the way it

Andrew Hiller (23:31):

Slowed. Oh, you just, it varies day to day for

Sevan Matossian (23:33):

You. Yeah. Well like usually in cycles like a year. So for like the last two years when I’ve been like, just deadlifting and I never deadlift over 1 35, I always say, fuck that I’m not loading up my hamstrings. I’m doing it like a squat to protect my back.

Andrew Hiller (23:46):

Well, that’s the opposite, homie.

Sevan Matossian (23:48):

I know. Well, today I loaded. I’m like, well, I’m listening to Hiller today. And I loaded my hamstrings and I don’t even feel the bar come off the ground. Now, granted, I was only doing 1 55 it’s light, but still, I didn’t even feel the, when my hamstrings are all fucking activated and tight and max tension kept kept on em. I, I don’t feel, I didn’t feel the bar come off the ground. It

Andrew Hiller (24:06):

Just came the video there it’s 20 minutes long. And I tried to like smash that into a Friday class at the affiliate back in the day. And I’d be like, everyone needs to know all of this shit. It’s so important. I spent so much time trying to figure this shit out.

Sevan Matossian (24:20):

Why is it back? Why do you think it’s explain to me the back thing? Um,

Andrew Hiller (24:25):


Sevan Matossian (24:25):

Why when I do it like a squat, you think it’s worse for my back.

Andrew Hiller (24:28):

It usually depends on how much weight you’re doing and kind of the way that you’re built up. So I do you know who Jacob Anderson is?

Sevan Matossian (24:35):


Andrew Hiller (24:36):

He is the lesser known of the Anderson brothers. There’s CA there’s Alex. And then there’s Jacob Anderson. Okay. I’m

Sevan Matossian (24:43):

Sure I met him before. Yep.

Andrew Hiller (24:45):

Uh, he has an incredible one physique and two clean front squat, but he is got a God awful deadlift.

Sevan Matossian (24:52):

Oh, he’s the kid. He does have an amazing physique. He’s the young one.

Andrew Hiller (24:55):

Yeah. And they’re all like, fantastic. They’re like Ken dos, but he’s at a very bad deadlift. And I always remember like Frazier going to work with these deadlifters and all I would ever think is that weightlifters never pull with their hips high cause there’s no purpose to do it. And what you’ll usually see is that their deadlift relative to their clean is much more compact than most people who deadlift F with frequency, with the purpose of getting a heavier deadlift. Uh, Jacob, Anderson’s a very good example. And Frazier until he went and worked with a deadlift coach is also a good example because he spent such a long time at places like the Olympic training center, pulling off the floor with an upright torso, the torso, meaning keep the hips lower. And it’s all for the mechanical advantages that go into the clean pole. So it all made sense. And it’s why he needed to go fix or figure out how to lift by someone who actually knows what to do. So you keep your hips low to protect your back. And in reality, keeping your hips low, really limits your top end strength. And misposition your body for the loads. You’re trying to put it under.

Andrew Hiller (26:01):

Does that all make sense or

Sevan Matossian (26:02):

No, it does. When I think of the Anderson brothers, but this is what I was thinking about when you’re talking, there’s three things. I think about one that their dad went to the CrossFit games, two that one of the brothers had to smoke. Some dude, one of the brothers had to kill a guy.

Andrew Hiller (26:22):


Sevan Matossian (26:22):

<laugh> you don’t know that story. It’s like a NASCAR Anderson

Andrew Hiller (26:25):

Brother had to kill a guy.

Sevan Matossian (26:26):

Yeah. It was like a NASCAR driver. Like this guy, one of the Anderson brothers was with this lady at her house and the ex-husband came over and attacked him with like a hatchet

Andrew Hiller (26:38):


Sevan Matossian (26:39):

Could Google it. And the third story, I can’t fucking tell you on the air, but it’s fucking great. Uh,

Andrew Hiller (26:49):

Wonder what happened to the, the Anderson brothers? What are they up

Sevan Matossian (26:51):

To? I don’t know. They were always cool and super nice to me. I

Andrew Hiller (26:54):

Liked them. They always seemed cool. I remember so when I made regionals in 16 as an individual, Alex Anderson was in my region and I looked over at him and he was like a centar <laugh>. Yeah. He’s so big. And so perfectly proportioned.

Sevan Matossian (27:09):

Did you know them?

Andrew Hiller (27:10):

No. Cause

Sevan Matossian (27:12):

I’m trying to wonder, you told me, I wonder if I tell you this third story. I know. I mean, I know you won’t tell me if I tell you not to tell anyone, but I wonder if you knew this story, if you would share it. No, I mean, not, not that if you heard it from

Andrew Hiller (27:24):

Me, but should involve, uh,

Sevan Matossian (27:27):

No it, no, no, no, no. Doesn’t involve spirits.

Andrew Hiller (27:30):

I, I don’t share shit.

Sevan Matossian (27:31):

It involves girls.

Andrew Hiller (27:32):

I think the only reason people continuously tell me stuff is because I don’t, uh, share it. Like if I were to share some shit on the show, people be like, he’s not trustworthy. Right. So I really try to keep everything on the DL. And if it’s about girls, I’m interested.

Sevan Matossian (27:46):

Yeah. Yeah. I’ll definitely tell you off there. It’s such a good story. It breaks some people’s heart. I, I, it didn’t break my heart. I thought it was a fantastic story.

Andrew Hiller (27:56):

If anything, I learned at all, if it breaks my heart now,

Sevan Matossian (27:59):

Um, uh, in, in, in the, in, in your squat video that you’re squatting, which I thought was another cool video. We’ll talk about that. By the way, the, uh, before we get into, ah, we’ll do it in order of my notes. Uh, you said that you don’t judge people who aren’t competing and I think that’s fairly accurate, but you also do judge people and you’ll bust people’s balls. If they’re doing hero ads. Right. And, and well not if they’re doing hero. Yeah. Tell me they get,

Andrew Hiller (28:22):

I, I made that one on, uh, God, I wish I remembered names better, but there was the guy who made the 10 Instagram post, real of him doing MERF and not one of the repetitions that he did during MERF work to standard. And I MERF is something where, when you’re doing it, the bare minimum you can do is if you, at least, if you have the capability, the squat to parallel, which he clearly had, he couldn’t stand all the way up. He didn’t do his pushups the right way. If you’re gonna do it and spend the time to have, like, I don’t know, your girlfriend roll around you and say, Hey, honey, I need you to take all these videos and be doing this workout. If you’re gonna have her do that sort of shit for you and make, take the time to put together a 10 page post on Instagram, you can also figure out how to do everything the right way. Does that make sense?

Sevan Matossian (29:10):

But dude, it’s so fucking fair. It’s so fair. He

Andrew Hiller (29:14):

Took so much time and effort to make a fucking post on the internet, but he couldn’t take the time and effort to figure out how to do a push up.

Sevan Matossian (29:21):


Andrew Hiller (29:22):

And then he, and then he says he does it in 40 minutes, which would be a great time to CrossFit games. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (29:27):

So, you know,

Andrew Hiller (29:28):

Something was wrong, something was wrong. Right.

Sevan Matossian (29:32):

So, so

Andrew Hiller (29:32):

Those are my thoughts on hero lots.

Sevan Matossian (29:34):

So you get the space. So, oh, if, if you’re just working out, you don’t get the smack down. But

Andrew Hiller (29:40):

I, I, one of the biggest, I made a video on this at one point, like I’ll frequently go into a lifetime just to use the various machines that maybe I don’t have here, or the affiliate doesn’t have that I’m a member at and I’ll walk around and I’ll wonder why people are doing things, but I won’t judge them for it because maybe they have the.