#556 – Sevan vs. Hiller, Mediated by Hunter McIntyre | Should You Accuse People of PED Usage?

Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Bam. We’re live. Aren’t you flying out here today?

Andrew Hiller (00:04):


Sevan Matossian (00:04):

Fuck. That’s a long day.

Andrew Hiller (00:06):

Well, you think I have a long day. You said you had a long day.

Sevan Matossian (00:09):

No, my day’s awesome. I get to start the morning, seeing you doing a big get to

Andrew Hiller (00:15):

Do this is gonna be good. Where is he?

Sevan Matossian (00:17):

Hunter? He’s confused. I think he’s confused. He’s the mediator. We’re the fighters. He’s the mediator. He keeps texting me. I was coming in how he’s coming and ready to fight. He’s not supposed, I mean, this isn’t WWE E and WWE. The ref’s fight too, right?

Andrew Hiller (00:34):

<laugh> occasionally. Yeah. And he can fight whenever he wants. Bring him in. He was a U WWE dude. Wasn’t he?

Sevan Matossian (00:39):

He was, he wanted to, I think he was,

Andrew Hiller (00:44):

Is he one of those guys who tries to assert his dominance by showing up late?

Sevan Matossian (00:48):

He’s putting on wig. I hate that.

Andrew Hiller (00:50):

I hate that so much.

Sevan Matossian (00:52):

He’s putting on his wig. He’s eating his mushrooms. I, I wonder how many shows he’s done high on mushrooms.

Andrew Hiller (00:59):

Oh, he was naked yesterday. Wouldn’t he?

Sevan Matossian (01:02):

Oh, uh, he, he had some really short shorts, um, uh, on, uh, Hunter’s going to take a back seat.

Andrew Hiller (01:11):

The comment section’s kind of already lit up. I was looking at it. People are, we’d like to see Hiller and hunter fight Eric. Holy shit.

Sevan Matossian (01:19):


Hunter McIntyre (01:19):

Right. This is a fucking high council meeting. I brought my outfit. That’s you

Sevan Matossian (01:23):

Hack job hunter. Hunter. You’re not one of the combatants. You’re the fucking ref dude. You you’re the ref. You can’t be

Hunter McIntyre (01:29):

Like, I’m a high council meeting I’m wearing, you know, judges come in with their like kind of SCR and that long furry hair. This is what I got.

Sevan Matossian (01:35):

We, we, um, a Hiller and I are the one who got our hands wrapped before this. You,

Andrew Hiller (01:40):

You have a gold bike and everything.

Hunter McIntyre (01:42):

Some of us have lots of money and we have to find ways to spend it.

Andrew Hiller (01:45):


Sevan Matossian (01:46):

You think that’s a Mike, Andrew?

Andrew Hiller (01:48):

Uh, I think he does some other shit with it.

Sevan Matossian (01:50):

<laugh> dude, big please say good morning to hunter too. I know he is, um, barely civilized, but please say good morning to him. So

Hunter McIntyre (02:01):

This is gonna be fucking good, dude. He’s

Andrew Hiller (02:05):

The liver king. Oh, I brought notes. Notes. All right. You’re likes now.

Hunter McIntyre (02:09):

Yeah. I actually came prepared for this thing. I watched your, I went and did like a deep scrub of what you do on, on your company. I did a deep scrub of what your past is like. And then I did a deep scrub of the videos and corollary information that you use so that I actually completely prepared to weigh in on this. Not from a

Andrew Hiller (02:29):

Wanna by video. So I knew you were doing that

Hunter McIntyre (02:31):

Deep dude. This is fucking deep. So what are we gonna do here? Is there like a, you Gogos kind of thing or is this just like a free flow format?

Sevan Matossian (02:40):

It’s find a hole and get it. Hey you did you, did you, did you watch both videos he made? Did you watch the one he made yesterday also kind of the follow up to it, hunter?

Hunter McIntyre (02:50):

No, no

Sevan Matossian (02:52):

Fuck. He made, he made the first video where, where the, you know, is Tia natural or not. And then he made a follow up video, uh, correct. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. Andrew basically referencing some of the comments in the, um, in the previous post.

Andrew Hiller (03:08):

Well, the biggest, it was just the biggest rebuttal is that she competes in the Olympics and at the Commonwealth games, which I was unfamiliar with. And I had to address the fact that that hardly makes a difference. I mean, it makes a difference, but that’s

Hunter McIntyre (03:22):

Why is that a rebuttal?

Andrew Hiller (03:24):

It’s almost like they think that because she’s tested at a higher level over there, that it completely makes my claims irrelevant. She’s tested at the level of the Olympics, which uses wa which makes every claim that I was trying to make it relevant because I, we

Hunter McIntyre (03:37):

Already proved that that’s a flawed thing because they made a whole documentary on it called IOUs.

Andrew Hiller (03:42):

Correct. And

Hunter McIntyre (03:43):


Andrew Hiller (03:44):

You know what I’m talking about here?

Hunter McIntyre (03:45):

Kiss shuffling game. Like that’s how thin,

Sevan Matossian (03:48):

Oh, don’t start fucking open mouth kissing each other yet. You no, I’m

Hunter McIntyre (03:52):

Being honest.

Sevan Matossian (03:53):

That’s against the rules. You can’t open mouth kiss. The referee’s rule,

Hunter McIntyre (03:57):

The facts it’s been debunked and like doping. They had to ban Russia in like other countries from the Olympics because people are so poorly behaved and they always find out after the fact. So that’s why no one gets caught during. They always get caught after the fact. And it came out because they made a documentary about it. Like they were such a cheaply, poorly formed, um, Olympic committee that they had to have somebody else, a secondary party create content and then make a decision after the fact like that’s dog shit,

Sevan Matossian (04:25):

GP. I will not tolerate you. I will not tolerate this shit in the comments. Yeah, dude, I will kick you out faster than I’ll kick hunter in the balls. She’s California.

Hunter McIntyre (04:36):

You can’t reach you.

Sevan Matossian (04:38):

I’ll send you a hundred. I’ll send you a hundred bucks for plugging my sponsor. Thank you. G

Hunter McIntyre (04:41):

Can you guys guess where I was today already?

Sevan Matossian (04:44):


Hunter McIntyre (04:46):

If I already

Andrew Hiller (04:47):

Would’ve said hunting, but

Sevan Matossian (04:48):

Andrew, I think there’s two things going on, right? There’s there’s and maybe more, but the two conversations I hear going on are in the, in your comments. Most of the comments I feel at least in the second video are, is Tia on something or not. And that, that for me, that interests me none, but, but I’m, but I’m willing to talk about some, what interests me is like, how you, is it appropriate? You made this video, whatever the fuck appropriate means

Andrew Hiller (05:16):

Are you to judge what is and is not appropriate. I thought you were the everything, or nothing’s off limits,

Sevan Matossian (05:21):

Man. It is. I know, I know. You’ve, you’ve fucking, you’ve ruined my hole. You’ve you fucking me up and hurry up at the same time. This

Hunter McIntyre (05:27):

Is what we call smash and grab media. It’s like where you just fucking make that low blow, like get in there, grab it and get out kind of thing. But that would be the case. But if you actually look, you’ve been chasing down steroids and CrossFit for a while, it’s like one of the headers in your fucking link tree. Like most people have like a link tree and they’re like, Hey, like buy, buy my ebook. Um, you know, stay at my Airbnb. Here’s 10% off like 50 different companies that supposedly sponsor me. I don’t have here’s like here was like Hiller fit. And then it’s like, everybody’s on fucking drug, YouTube channel. So I’m not gonna say that he’s at least consistent with the fact that this isn’t like a smash and grab this. Isn’t like a buzz title. You at least care enough about it. You’re consistently staying on the subject. He was the person.

Sevan Matossian (06:14):

I don’t know if cares the right word, passionate.

Hunter McIntyre (06:16):

Well, no passion is caring.

Sevan Matossian (06:18):

Okay. It’s

Hunter McIntyre (06:19):

Like what? What’s the point of trying to define the difference? Um,

Sevan Matossian (06:22):

Words matter.

Hunter McIntyre (06:24):

Okay. What’s the difference between passion and caring? Are we really gonna go down this lane right now?

Sevan Matossian (06:28):


Hunter McIntyre (06:29):

Yeah. So, I mean, in reality, the, when I, and I brought this up, so if this is new to people who weren’t listened to last episode, when I was about to kind of like lift the veil on my opinions on drugs and CrossFit, the first person, the first person to contact me and like actually care was Hiller. So this isn’t new news. I was

Andrew Hiller (06:48):

Wondering if you were gonna bring that up or not.

Hunter McIntyre (06:49):

You can’t throw shade on him for that he’s consistent. Whether or not it’s morally, right.

Andrew Hiller (06:57):

Is that seven comes in

Hunter McIntyre (06:59):

That’s that’s where

Sevan Matossian (07:00):

That’s when you posted that. I was like, holy shit. Well first lemme ask you this was that easy. Like were no when you no, no. Can you tell me the thought process of, of, of putting that up?

Andrew Hiller (07:12):

Well, the easiest way for me to say that I justified it was she made the claim that she was retired, whether or not that’s been solidified because now she’s no longer competing. I don’t wanna make these videos about people who are competitive. And the first one I made was on Maderas, but I knew that the end goal of it was that I was going to say, I thought that he was natural and coincidentally, another big name person, and the YouTube sphere made a video on CrossFitters saying that he does believe that some of the top people are indeed natural. This is a guy who openly admits that he’s been blasting shit for years and years and years. And I’m in agreement that I think that some of the top, and even the top of the top Maderas are natural, but there are people, one of them being Tia, I think are not.

Hunter McIntyre (07:58):

The question at hand though, is for me is look, you can pose the question and be like, Hey, is the moon? And that’s it. A space ship ship that aliens are using to like Harbor human bodies at, you can ask that question, but then diving deep and trying to like actually say it is without super dense detail is tough. I watched your video and your correlates are mainly based off her muscle mass in her arm, which is fucking, that’s thin. That’s thin. If you

Andrew Hiller (08:29):

Go back, I could go deeper, but it would, uh, inflicted couple of other people.

Hunter McIntyre (08:35):

You could do whatever you want.

Sevan Matossian (08:37):

What come here. I see. You’re saying that you have, and by the way, hunter, you’re trying to

Andrew Hiller (08:42):

<laugh> go ahead,

Sevan Matossian (08:44):

Hunter. You just kind of explained something to me, to me too, where those two kind of circles intersect on whether it’s ethical. Like I wouldn’t, if he had what I thought was real evidence, I, I would be more okay with him publishing the video.

Hunter McIntyre (08:58):

Could you do something for me really quickly

Andrew Hiller (09:00):


Hunter McIntyre (09:00):

You go on Instagram real quick. Can you go on Instagram real quick to my page. I want people to like and subscribe to it, but I want you to just go and I want you, I want you to see something really quickly. So can you bring up my Instagram page? And I’m just gonna prove a point that will maybe thin your, your, um, I don’t know, your plan out a little bit.

Sevan Matossian (09:18):

Uh, what, what did you say? Um, a beaver will pull it up now. What did you say, Hillary? You have to go in a minute.

Andrew Hiller (09:23):

No, that’s something I wanna

Hunter McIntyre (09:24):

Say. Scroll, scroll down a bit, scroll down a bit. It’s a picture of two pictures of being next to each other. Scroll down a bit further. Um, it’s like a picture. Yes, this is, this is about six weeks in difference. You’re basically making claims off of her and this is juice free and I’m drinking a fuck ton of alcohol doing drugs at weddings and stuff like I’m having fun. Which one is

Sevan Matossian (09:50):


Andrew Hiller (09:51):

One on the left or the right?

Hunter McIntyre (09:52):

This. So this one on the right, right here is me. About two weeks after getting done with, uh, my world championship. I wasn’t really taking care of myself. It was like benders, having fun, not giving a fuck. And then the one on the left is still me kind of doing that. I was traveling around Europe all summer, doing shit, living outta the back of cars, eating street meat, like nothing. Like I was taking care of myself, but I was in the gym. Just beating the shit outta these weights and go back one over to the left. The very beginning. Cuz that’s the best one. I think you can actually see the definition change. Like that is very, very real. And it

Andrew Hiller (10:30):

Position yourself a little bit different in the two

Sevan Matossian (10:31):

Pictures. Oh yeah. I don’t know. Hunter’s like one of those drills that does the before and after. And I can’t tell the difference. You’re

Andrew Hiller (10:36):

He he’s using the angles of the camera to make himself more

Hunter McIntyre (10:40):

Scroll, scroll through whatever.

Andrew Hiller (10:42):

I will agree. You look better on the left, but you’ve got a filter on the one on the left and you’re also sitting. There’s no filter camera. There’s no fucking filter on the one

Hunter McIntyre (10:49):

On the left. I swear on the holy Bible. There’s no filter swear,

Andrew Hiller (10:53):

Man. It looks like a filter to me or you’ve been tanning or broing or something. There’s a different

Hunter McIntyre (10:58):

It’s it’s summertime.

Andrew Hiller (10:59):

Okay. Okay. You’re different

Hunter McIntyre (11:00):

Color. Yeah. It’s summertime. And this is like a dirty, this

Sevan Matossian (11:02):

Is like a dirty baseball Dan Hiller. Don’t he does. He has never tanned in his fucking life. He has white.

Andrew Hiller (11:07):

That’s my job. That’s my job. But

Hunter McIntyre (11:09):

My point is is you were taking like, it seemed like your main case point was like, Hey, here’s a picture of her in when she was well,

Andrew Hiller (11:16):

Which is why I brought up the videos. I knew that that would come up the pictures, they can be edited and whatnot. Even in yours, I can tell that there’s different angles. You’re putting your body in, but that’s why I threw the videos up there. And the big claim I could make is that 2015 video where she’s thrown the sandbag over the wall, she looks like an entirely different human being.

Hunter McIntyre (11:34):

She took second at the CrossFit

Andrew Hiller (11:35):

Games. She took second at the CrossFit games. You would think she’s already towards the top of the top. Okay. And if you were to, if you were to put her present day against that person, they one won the games one finished second. You wouldn’t think that there’s, there should be the world of difference that there is, but

Hunter McIntyre (11:52):

You should know this dude. You’re a trainer. It seems like you’re selling e-books online. You seem to be fascinated with fitness. You know that there is an arc in someone’s performance gains throughout time. Women actually start to get much better. And men peak a little bit earlier, men, women earlier older

Andrew Hiller (12:08):

Earlier for women. No aren’t

Hunter McIntyre (12:10):

We? No, not at all. Dude. Go, go look at, go look at capacity. Women actually start to peak in their thirties.

Andrew Hiller (12:16):

Okay. I, I later I have seen that you’re right.

Hunter McIntyre (12:18):

But so the thing

Sevan Matossian (12:19):

Is it’s like, oh, does that explain Ariel Lowen? Let’s talk about that later. Sorry

Hunter McIntyre (12:22):

To expect that somebody after doing years and years and years of training is not going to get better over time. Like I just saw you in a video on your page deadlift like 5 65 or something like that.

Andrew Hiller (12:33):

5 55, my best ever. Six 15.

Hunter McIntyre (12:36):

Okay. So let’s just say though, you’re telling me that since the beginning stages of your training, let’s say you probably the first time you ever did lifted were like the three hundreds. Now you’re in the five hundreds to six hundreds. That’s just incremental improvement. It’s just, it’s called linear progression.

Andrew Hiller (12:51):

When I was in high school, I was 17 years old. I benched 300 pounds. I’ve been able to increase that by 80 pounds over the course of about 14 years,

Hunter McIntyre (13:02):

But that’s improvement.

Andrew Hiller (13:03):

It is improvement. But I should say that the amount of improvement isn’t really out of the realm of what’s acceptable, I would say. And especially like, if you were to look, uh, I put, fuck, I haven’t put up this video yet, but I put a picture of me in 2016 and a clip that I’m gonna put up tomorrow. And the difference between 2016 and present day, they’re about the same. And it’s because at a certain point in time, and the argument that I’m trying to make is when you finish that high, the prostate games, it’s hard to get that much better. And I know you’ll agree with that too. Like you’ll

Hunter McIntyre (13:34):

You to bring in other co you have to bring in other things, multiple athletes that she was competing against car Saunders the next year wasn’t there there’s other athletes that were dropping out. That’s good. Movements, movements are changing. There’s different capacities. And it’s not crazy to think that somebody can progress over time. I mean, dude, the difference in my cuz I didn’t put time into it. Like I was strength training all the time, but the difference between my Olympic lifts and like lifts in general, between 2018 and 2019, when I decided I wanted qual not qualified, just fucking cheat. My way into the games is massive because I just put the focus on it. So

Sevan Matossian (14:09):

I went to bed last night, fantasizing that I was gonna have to, uh, tangle with both of you and it’s in a tub of Vaseline. Now I’m just my stand on the

Andrew Hiller (14:19):

Outside. What, what is that? What is that sound,

Sevan Matossian (14:23):

Jenny, please make it may be say something smart.

Jenny (14:28):

No, I was just gonna point out that another reason for the huge discrepancy in, in Tia’s point, um, has to do with when there were cuts. And so like of course she’s gonna have a higher margin of victory the year that there were, you know, continually cutting down the field because it’s taking away options of other people who could win the event.

Sevan Matossian (14:50):

I think that’s fair. But, but I also think in God, have

Andrew Hiller (14:53):

You looked at the mail side? Can we compare the mail side? Was there that big of a difference?

Sevan Matossian (14:58):

I don’t wanna defend, um, H Hiller at all, but, but that being said, she was dominant so many years in a row. That was just the one year it was cut. But Jenny, you do bring up another point too. The way he makes this video, it implicates more than just Tia.

Andrew Hiller (15:13):

Is that right? Who, what else does it implicated?

Sevan Matossian (15:15):

I, I, I, I, I don’t wanna say, but if you look at pictures, why he’s so vague,

Hunter McIntyre (15:19):

Why did you guys get on this podcast?

Sevan Matossian (15:21):

Listen, listen, chill, listen, cuz I’m a pussy. If, if

Andrew Hiller (15:25):

I know why it’s being vague.

Sevan Matossian (15:26):

If, if, if the two, if his two biggest arguments are the margin of victory and uh, and body, uh, transformation, then there’s other implications. Any, anyone who ran by a massive margin. Um, and it’s interesting to me that, um, that Hunter’s giving Tia so much wiggle room for her improvement.

Andrew Hiller (15:46):

We haven’t asked, Hey hunter, what do you think is of Tia natural?

Hunter McIntyre (15:51):

Yeah, I think she’s natural, man. There’s not been that much of a change.

Andrew Hiller (15:54):

How many people at the top do you believe are unnatural? Percentagewise let’s say there’s 80 people at the games. How many of do

Sevan Matossian (16:01):

You think have been what’s the top. Okay. So the top out of the 40 men and 40 women, um, how many, how many, let’s just say the 40 men. Well, let me wait before you answer that a hundred. Um, Hillary, do you think that it’s equal amount, pretty much averaged the same amount of men and women are on it? Or do you think men are more, have a greater proclivity to, to stick a needle in their ass?

Hunter McIntyre (16:18):

I think men would probably do it more.

Andrew Hiller (16:20):

See, I think it’s easier for the females. So I would say that there’s probably more females.

Jenny (16:28):

Why? Because it’s easier to the testosterone testing,

Andrew Hiller (16:31):

The easiest drug for a female to take would be Anbar. You take Anbar hunter. Are you familiar with it?

Hunter McIntyre (16:36):

Yeah. It’s a water based steroid.

Andrew Hiller (16:38):

Um, it’s uh, DHT, derivative steroid, and it’s rather dry. It’s going to be an eight week thing that you’ll take you stop taking it and they won’t be able to detect it within two weeks. You don’t need to take as a female. You don’t.

Sevan Matossian (16:51):

Why, why women

Andrew Hiller (16:52):

Testosterone base? Because as a female, you don’t need to take it with a testosterone base. And that’s the thing. That’ll be, get a little bit fuzzy with males. So if you were a female and let’s say, for example, you were someone like Tia, not saying this is what she did, but she could have. And it we’re just like in the middle of the off season, maybe in the middle of COVID you take an Avir and it’s going to give you a 10% boost on just about everything and you stopped taking it. They won’t be able to see it yet two weeks later. And it’s not like the metabolites of so and such. It’s been very like medically researched to the point where they know if they won’t be able to find

Sevan Matossian (17:24):

It. Jenny, do, what do you think about him calling her? Yeah. Jenny

Hunter McIntyre (17:27):

From the block. What do you think about this

Sevan Matossian (17:28):

Too? What do you think about that part? Did you take not whether she did it or not, but what do you think about, um, the, the,

Andrew Hiller (17:36):

I lemme tell you one more thing about why there’s a difference between the male and the female there. So if a male were to take just Anar crashes, your testosterone hunter starts taking Anar. He’s gonna see an increase in certain things, but when he stops taking it, he’s gonna look like a pile dog shit, because he’s gonna have like no testosterone production in his body because the signals that it’s sending to your body tells your balls to stop making testosterone. So if he takes the pill, then his testosterone goes to shit and a female takes the pill, their testosterone so low, or really doesn’t fuck with them all that much. Once they stop taking it. So a male would’ve to continue giving themself like an exogenous testosterone. Mm. Does that make sense? Hunters? You thinking? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (18:13):

Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know how so. That’s why I would believe the way I understand what you’re saying is if dudes take, if dudes take this performance enhancing drugs, they have to take Avir and testosterone and women only have to take Avir. And because of that, it’ll pass through their system faster and it’s easier for them to get away with. Correct.

Andrew Hiller (18:28):

And it will also crush their levels of testosterone, but their base of testosterone needed for like healthy function and muscle, like to keep their muscle mass is much lower than a

Sevan Matossian (18:37):

Male. Jenny, you don’t need testosterone, just get in the kitchen and make us lunch. Thank you. Good,

Hunter McIntyre (18:41):


Jenny (18:41):

Jesus Christ. All

Andrew Hiller (18:43):

What’s your Jenny, what do you

Hunter McIntyre (18:45):

Just drew some athletic greens and get yourself the CrossFit games on the natural path.

Sevan Matossian (18:49):

<laugh> Jenny go to your Pilates class. Girls shouldn’t even do CrossFit

Jenny (18:54):

Noted. Noted. Yeah. I don’t disagree with what said in the video. I don’t necessarily think that the, you know, body composition are indicative of it, but I mean, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (19:10):

Let me ask

Jenny (19:11):

To be that dominant.

Sevan Matossian (19:12):

Oh, lemme ask you this. Does it hurt your feelings at all? That he does it in terms of, can you, like, I think Andrew’s trying to think clearly about it and, but I think other people it’s like their, their feelings interfere with them, able to think clearly. Are you able to think clearly about it?

Jenny (19:27):

Yeah. I don’t think it hurts my feelings.

Sevan Matossian (19:29):

<laugh> no, that, that Tia is accused. Okay. All right. Fair. Hey, um, what do you, how often are you doing? Are you seven days a week? Are you addicted to dope to cross it? Yeah. Yeah. <laugh> <laugh> the drug addicts speak out, boys. Listen, I’m talking about CrossFit. Jenny, are you addicted to CrossFit?

Jenny (19:46):

Yeah. I mean, I, I cross it five days a week. Six maybe.

Sevan Matossian (19:50):

Yeah. Careful. That shit will make you bulky.

Jenny (19:54):

Noted. Noted.

Sevan Matossian (19:55):

All right. Thank you all.

Jenny (19:57):

Have a good day,

Andrew Hiller (19:57):

Guys is awesome in the background. What is that? A Badger.

Hunter McIntyre (20:00):

You talking, you talking about that bear dude.

Andrew Hiller (20:02):

That’s a bear. It’s nice. Where the fuck are you that you have that in the background?

Hunter McIntyre (20:06):

I got a pistol cannon about this big and there’s a bear. That’s been backs asking me on my property for a while. I’m gonna kill

Sevan Matossian (20:11):

Them. You do not have a pistol cannon. That’s this big dude.

Hunter McIntyre (20:14):

I do dude, look up the 44 Magnum, um, Smith and Wesson dude. It’s the dirty Harry

Sevan Matossian (20:19):

Pistol. Oh, I, sorry. I thought you were talking about something else.

Hunter McIntyre (20:22):

Oh dude. I

Sevan Matossian (20:23):


Andrew Hiller (20:23):

Tell hunter, how many hunter, how many people do you know who have used performance enhancing drugs? This is the biggest point that I’ve tried to

Hunter McIntyre (20:28):

Have. I have two friends of mine that I compete against regularly that I know is, are on stuff, but they don’t beat me. So I don’t give a shit.

Andrew Hiller (20:35):

They can say high rocks.

Hunter McIntyre (20:36):

They can compete in multiple sports that I compete in. I’m not gonna like narrow it down to.

Andrew Hiller (20:41):

Okay. Okay. Okay. So they, you still beat them, but the B again, one of the things I try to say is if you’re gonna be here, like out of the, ballsack your, you, your dad shoots you into your mom and then you’re gonna beat this. Good. Your buddies are only gonna be this good. They take peds and they get here. They’ll cut.

Hunter McIntyre (20:56):

You’re still cut corners. They’ll definitely cut the corners. Typically people

Andrew Hiller (20:59):

They’re never gonna beat you because you were gonna be better outta your dad’s nutsack.

Hunter McIntyre (21:02):

Yeah. I mean, listen, there’s people that I’ve competed against that I’ve just like literally competed against for years and watched them cheat in every which way possible, whether it be performance, enhancing drugs, cutting corners on courses, cutting reps, if they can, those people are just those people. But, you know, interestingly enough, and the reason why I came onto way in and about the tee thing is like, you know what, like when you’re that high at the top, if you just look at like a bunch of different sports, like Michael Phelps and swimming, like he’s just so ahead of everybody else, because there’s certain genetic compositions in people’s bodies that allow them to perform at that high of a level in a sport, same exact thing. Like Michael Jordan, you may not consider this. Like people would be like, oh, taller is better for basketball. There’s this range around like six foot, six to six foot eight where you’re tall enough and nimble enough to really be a true baller.

Hunter McIntyre (21:49):

And then it’s like all of these different things for different sports, Tia and Matt Frazier and rich frowning may just have those body compositions for this sport. That allows ’em to be so good. And the thing that I look at in sports is when you bump into an athlete that sucked ass, and then all of a sudden, like two years later, they’re just a vertical line of difference. Those are the people that I consider to be dopers. And those are the people that I can watch and be like, huh? This is questionable performance. Like is the telltale sign, body composition that’s then like I switch body composition all the time. Hunter,

Andrew Hiller (22:23):

You just proved my point.

Hunter McIntyre (22:25):

She was great from the start dude.

Andrew Hiller (22:27):

Uh, not dominant. Great. Yes.

Hunter McIntyre (22:30):

Great dude. But I mean, listen, you and I both know that a lot of really, really, okay. Let’s give you the Tom Brady factor. Tom Brady made it to the fucking NFL. He was a star. Now Tom Brady has seven NFL suit, but he was hundred 80th

Andrew Hiller (22:44):

Using Tom Brady of using

Hunter McIntyre (22:46):

No, no, I’m just like, if you, if you’re a hundred 80th pick, uh, in the draft in the NFL and then all of a sudden, next thing you know, you are the fucking number one football player in history. You just, you eventually hit your stride. I used to fucking, I was a good cross country runner, but then all of a sudden I put the work in and around 2016, I started running so much faster and so much different. I was a different person. It just took me until 2016 to become that good of a runner,

Sevan Matossian (23:14):

Uh, Mo moody, please. Uh, say something smart, please.

Jenny (23:18):

Hi, Sivan. Uh, I just wanted to say as far as morally and that sort of thing, I think what Hiller’s done is really good for a long time across community. And the CrossFit media has been controlled by CrossFit HQ.

Sevan Matossian (23:35):

All these not true, not true, not true at all. Go on.

Jenny (23:38):

I, I mean, all the update shows and all of that sort of thing.

Sevan Matossian (23:42):

True. Right? True. True.

Jenny (23:44):

So having him come out, ask these questions that been circulating for a long time.

Hunter McIntyre (23:49):

He didn’t ask questions basically insinuated. That was dude. That’s not a question. That’s a state.

Jenny (23:55):

What the fuck? Like a courtroom. We have a prosecutor. If Tia wants to come out and defend her case or other people wanna come out and defend her case, that brings the conversation out and it’s gonna lead to the truth. I don’t think, let ask

Sevan Matossian (24:16):

You, let me ask mood

Hunter McIntyre (24:18):

Question wrong to end up in a courtroom. Let’s be honest. You have to do something wrong to end up being a courtroom. I have a

Andrew Hiller (24:23):

Issues too. Fucking good. That was

Jenny (24:24):

Wrong. Have you seen the FBI recently hooked her

Sevan Matossian (24:27):

Too wrong? Great. Moody. I have a question

Hunter McIntyre (24:29):

For you guys. Great Eddie.

Jenny (24:32):

Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (24:32):

Do do you think, and, and maybe I’m thinking about this wrong and I would like someone to tell me how to think about it. Cause I’m struggling. Do you think that just because she won six times or just because she’s in a sport or we’ve reached a place in society where, I mean, there’s two ways to, she’s not just being accused of doing drugs. She’s being accused of being a cheater. Those are the, I, I would say it’s more than the implications. I would say it’s part and parcel with it. It’s attached to it. And so when he does this, when he says that she’s on steroids, it opens this door for everyone just to start thinking that she’s a cheater. I know people that before they ever watched a Hiller video, they didn’t think there were steroids. And now they’ve just assume everybody’s on.

Hunter McIntyre (25:11):

Well, you were, you were fucking in denial. Big time when you and I had that one conversation. It was.

Sevan Matossian (25:15):

And I still fluctuate depending on how I wake up in the morning. Some mornings I’m like Hiller ruined me in some mornings. I’m like the

Hunter McIntyre (25:21):

Documentation of the amount of people popping in this sport is it’s just, if you take the numbers,

Andrew Hiller (25:25):

Stupid shit. They’re just fucking idiots.

Hunter McIntyre (25:28):

Yeah. For shit they’re

Sevan Matossian (25:30):

Taking. But you think it’s

Hunter McIntyre (25:31):

For whatever you pop for. It does not matter. They’re just getting popped. Well,

Sevan Matossian (25:34):

What about Shane? How do you think he feels that you made this video? Does that even matter? I think it matters. Shane’s

Andrew Hiller (25:39):

I said it in the follow up video that if I were Tia or Shane sitting there, and if I’m wrong, they’re sitting there like ha good. I I’m glad that he thinks that like, this is funny. We know the truth, like, fuck it.

Sevan Matossian (25:52):

Yeah. Someone else told me that too. They said, Hey, this is where she should lean into it where she should just be like, oh yeah. Or she should somehow engage you. But on another hand, that’s kind of what you want. Right.

Andrew Hiller (26:07):

I wouldn’t be upset if she were to do something, say something. I mean, I would be ready to defend myself. One of the comments that I read is like, imagine, I think

Sevan Matossian (26:14):

You would acquis I think if we brought her on right now, you would acquis

Andrew Hiller (26:18):

What does that mean?

Sevan Matossian (26:19):

I think that like, if we brought her on, she’d be like, dude, Hiller, I’m not on. What are you talking about? You

Hunter McIntyre (26:23):

Think you’d bend the knee. Like, and dude,

Sevan Matossian (26:24):

He’d melt like butter, if need on here,

Andrew Hiller (26:27):

She’d tell you to pay. I would for proof the same way I asked that Mike Guy in proof, like do OFO at the CrossFit games. Why did she came up to me and re remember that interaction? We had Seon, we’re standing right there. He’s like, I need you to apologize. I’m like, I’m sorry that I hurt your feelings. Give me some proof. And maybe I’ll make, make her attraction. He never fucking messaged me. I could look at it right now. I’ve got no messages from bike two anymore

Hunter McIntyre (26:48):

On steroids

Andrew Hiller (26:49):


Hunter McIntyre (26:50):


Andrew Hiller (26:50):

Being in the cup. Um, same way. I, I guess, I mean, the only proof that she needs is the fact that she’s tested negative every single time she’s ever been tested. So it’s me being speculative and I’ve never denied the fact that it’s my opinion. I’m speculating. But now are

Hunter McIntyre (27:04):

You claim

Andrew Hiller (27:05):


Hunter McIntyre (27:05):

She’s tested positive and people just didn’t bring it to light?

Andrew Hiller (27:07):

No, I’ve never said that. Seon knows that. And I’ve never said that like CrossFit is hidden shit. That’s the level of, uh, corruption at the Olympics. Not at CrossFit. I did try to say that. I think that the level of corruption, the Olympics is worse and it’s actually good that CrossFit controls their own results. And least it

Hunter McIntyre (27:24):

Used to be, this is a heavy comment right here. C Congo said Hunter’s wearing underpants with Hunter’s Dick hole in them. That is fierce. That is a, that is an at the knee shop. Dude, whoever this person is,

Sevan Matossian (27:35):

How do you feel hunter? When people accuse you,

Hunter McIntyre (27:38):

I’ve only been accused a couple times, mostly be just like shitty people that are never going to beat me. But there was one guy I told you yesterday that went out of his way and started contacting sponsors of mine and talking about my drug use when I was younger and saying that I’m still on drugs and saying that I’m on steroids and that’s why I’m so aggressive. And I was like, where’s your proof dude. Like you have to understand, like this directly gets in the way of my partnerships with these other companies. And you’re trying to put me under the table on it. That’s why I was angry. Everyone in the world can accuse me of being on drugs until you come up with a dirty test. Like, what’s the point of having the conversation? It’s not gonna get in my way. I mean,

Sevan Matossian (28:21):

Look at, look at this con Hiller’s right. If you’re triggered, then you’re offended because he’s probably right. So Kylie, no, if I were

Hunter McIntyre (28:27):

To go, that’s a fucking thin statement, Kylie.

Sevan Matossian (28:29):

I know I’d love to go in front of your house and paint on the hood of your car. I’m a pedophile. See? And, and see how much you like that when you drive around all day. If, Hey, if you like Kylie comfort with that, people

Hunter McIntyre (28:39):

Like Kylie can make statements from wherever the fuck she’s thumbing her phone because she’s never under the scope. You know, when you’re under the scope of other people just scrutinizing you, watching you, all these kind of things. It, it matters.

Sevan Matossian (28:53):

CrossFit protected Fraser. I I’m gonna tell you something. Scott CrossFit did the opposite of protect Fraser. Wow. Hiller thinks that’s true. Look at his, his eyebrows doing the <laugh>.

Andrew Hiller (29:06):

They speak for themselves. I, no, I don’t think CrossFit protected anybody.

Sevan Matossian (29:10):

I, I, uh,

Andrew Hiller (29:10):

But they’re different now. Aren’t they seven aren’t there different people up there

Sevan Matossian (29:13):

Doing there are different people up there. I’ve heard that this was the first year I ever heard of something that was, uh, was tripping me out.

Hunter McIntyre (29:20):

Inky said she was drug tested.

Sevan Matossian (29:23):

Yeah. Right.

Hunter McIntyre (29:24):

This girl was a fucking career criminal. We don’t know dude.

Andrew Hiller (29:27):

The amount of like back and forth comments in here about this entire situation is nuts.

Sevan Matossian (29:32):

Why, why don’t do you think that, um, so you don’t like the fact hunter that he, um, you don’t like the fact he made. Well, I wanna go back to, before you say that, why, why was it, why was it hard? Um, did you know, did, is the part of you, do you have a little voice inside? You said that this isn’t nice to do to Tia.

Andrew Hiller (29:47): I’ve never openly accused anybody that is a big name or the games level of using performance enhancing drugs. And so why her, because she’s retiring.

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