#534 – Day 4 Preview | 2022 CrossFit Games

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Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Is he BA

Tom (00:01):

Or live he’s a plastic surgeon.

Sevan Matossian (00:03):

Okay. Ha has he been seeing stuff?

Tom (00:05):

Oh, I just sent him both of the things you, that you sent me. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (00:09):

The articles. Yeah. Um, uh, you’re more, uh, you’re more than welcome to send him a link. I don’t, I don’t know if I have his number.

Tom (00:17):

Can I forward the email link?

Sevan Matossian (00:19):

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Uh, good morning guys. Uh, we, I came on 10 minutes early today to talk about, uh, two, two people that I’ve, uh, recently popped on my radar, the, the unbelievably, um, talented and crazy fit. Uh, Emily, Ralph, I haven’t had the pleasure of having her on the show before. And, uh, this guy, Nikki Rempel, uh, who is a, a CrossFit games, uh, master’s athlete. And I, I got to his site from, uh, coming over from here. Uh, and, and I, and I think I’ve pieced this together correctly. Now I’m starting to think that maybe I have something wrong this oh, let’s see. Let’s see. Right. Let’s no, I think that

Tom (01:08):


Sevan Matossian (01:10):

Okay. So it is his, he is, he is a competitor. He is a competitor. I don’t know for sure if he was, um, I don’t know for sure. Hey, Susan, what’s up brother? I don’t know for sure if this guy was competing. Hey guys, but it does sound like he was at the CrossFit games. This is what popped on my radar. Emily Rolf yesterday had a, uh, or a couple days ago had a, uh, two clots in her arm as far as I can tell. And, uh, her arms started turning blue. They rushed her to the hospital. Then this happens where, uh, excuse me,

Tom (01:47):

It’s on that post Sivan where he is. Got his thumb up in the hospital bed. In the comments

Sevan Matossian (01:52):

Here? Yeah. Okay. Oh, it is in the com. Okay. Okay.

Tom (01:56):

It was, uh, after the second workout.

Sevan Matossian (01:59):

Okay. Okay. So this guy’s competed at the cross, the games, and he also has a, uh,

Tom (02:06):

Vascular event.

Sevan Matossian (02:08):

What did you call it? Tom.

Tom (02:09):

A vascular event,

Sevan Matossian (02:11):

A vascular event. And it sounds like basically he had a clot in his brain that caused him to have a stroke. Uh, Dr. Tom Cron is, uh, L one. Um, he is a, uh, urologist. Uh, he’s been on the show, uh, a couple times and, uh, this morning I sent him these and I was like, Hey, could you come on for a few minutes? And I just bombed you with some questions. And he said, sure. Um, I, in the 15 years, 16 years I’ve been following the CrossFit games. I’ve never, ever heard of anyone, by the way, these are both Canadian athletes and I presume that they to come into this country, you have to be vaccinated. And so I assume that they both have been vaccinated. Uh, Emily actually made a post about the time she got vaccinated. So I believe her, I wasn’t in the room when the doctor, you know, gave them the injections, but all, all facts, point to the fact that they are both vaccinated. And I, and I also don’t know what the, um, I also don’t know what the main, uh, vaccine is, uh, in Canada. I don’t know which one they took, but basically I’ve good morning, Ken. Um, I I’m just tripping that, uh, that this happened at the CrossFit games twice when I’ve never seen it happen before. And I was curious to get yours and, uh, Ken’s thoughts on it.

Tom (03:19):

Yeah, I it’s, uh, I would, I would love to know their vaccination status. You know, how many they’ve been, how long it’s been, but you know, this, one of my main talking points through this whole thing is that being metabolically healthy and active is a way to protect yourself against, um, these types of things. Not only these types of things, but COVID, you know, through the COVID crisis is my main point is you don’t have to, to worry about it. If you stay healthy and eat, right. And I’ve never heard of to this point, any, um, CrossFit athletes who are real athletes, not people who are unhealthy and then join CrossFit gym and have an event or get COVID. But real athletes, these guys are at the CrossFit games. They’ve been doing it a while. They’re healthy, um, you know, by Greg Glassman’s, uh, uh, tenants, you know, it, it, it, CrossFit drives fitness, um, and fitness over time is health. So they’re healthy. Um, I haven’t seen anybody dive COVID and number one, who’s this fit and number two, have we ever seen CrossFit athletes getting clotting events? Both of these are clotting events. Um, I’d like to see the data on that. It’s, it’s just a red flag. You, we can’t just keep ignoring all of the, the little clues that something’s going on here.

Sevan Matossian (04:44):

Ken, do you have any, uh, thanks for joining us Ken long time. Uh, do you have any thoughts? Why is it that, um, uh, exercise exacerbates this issue? Why are we seeing I’m making the presupposition that something has to do with the vaccine and then working out at high intensity? Do you have any thoughts on why it’s happening to soccer players, basketball players, CrossFitters in the heat of the moment,

Ken Sanders (05:06):

You know, um, in, in the medical field, there’s this, uh, kind of a, uh, uh, an accumulation of, of problems that, that can predispose people for clots. And usually there’s some sort of a, uh, traumatic event, um, whether that’s even just, um, the, the vessel wall being damaged to some extent, or, or, um, you’ve heard of people having, uh, clots on planes where they’re sitting still for long periods of time. And so Venus stasis, so where the blood just kind of pulls and sits. But I mean, we’re talking about some elite people here. That’s, what’s just bizarre. And I know we can’t tie a and B and say that, you know, the vaccine caused these, these, these people’s clots, but, uh, as Tom said, I mean, just that, it’s just strange that we hear about, um, the most inflammatory portion of the virus becomes the thing that your body reacts to for the vaccine, for the vaccine, you know, is what they chose to use for the vaccine.

Ken Sanders (06:13):

Um, and now we have all of this, uh, inflammation I E and then leading to clots and, and, um, uh, vascular events. So, so as far as just, just exercise in general, you know, I don’t know. I mean, there’s, there’s some dehydration component to it, which could be part of the issue, um, that in, when you are slightly dehydrated with, with vigorous exercise, as some of these people are doing on the soccer field, CrossFit, uh, extreme CrossFit, then, um, that is gonna make the blood inherently a little thicker, just because it is dehydrated. We know that, you know, the vascular space becomes less hydrated. So, so there’s, uh, more blood cells per any unit you measure. Um, so it’s kind of like sludge almost a little more sludgy, um, that can predispose to clotting too. But these people that, uh, and it sounds like, uh, the little bit I know about, uh, was it Ralph? Uh,

Sevan Matossian (07:16):

Yep. Emily Wolf

Ken Sanders (07:17):

That, that she, you know, that was an arterial clot, right? Tom, did you read that? Um,

Tom (07:22):

It it’s appeared to be, cause

Ken Sanders (07:23):

Her hand went, she appeared to be blue. Yeah. She was cold and blue. I mean, that’s, that’s not a Venus clot. That’s not your typical clot in your leg that you hear about. That’s an arterial and that’s a big, big deal.

Tom (07:34):

Yeah. To your point. I mean, I, I know, um, a young woman when she was 35, now she was on, um, on birth control pills, which, you know, I don’t know her status, but she was on birth control pills, which is known to exacerbate clotting disorders in young women. And she was, um, typically

Ken Sanders (07:51):

Venous pill. Right. Typically, typically venous clots.

Tom (07:54):

Correct. Um, well, this was an arterial, she was parasailing and it jerked her in her head whipped back and she got a little arterial trauma disruption of the Al wall. Yeah. Um, in the vertebral artery and threw a clot and had a, a stroke. Um, so, you know, your point to minor traumas being inciting events. That’s true. And obviously, uh, Emily, when she’s, I think she was doing the bike, I mean, that’s a lot of sheer forces on those arteries. So, you know, there are other explanations for this, but it, you know,

Sevan Matossian (08:32):

It, it’s gotta be somewhat, it’s gotta be somewhat, uh, poignant that let’s say there, let’s say there’s 200 athletes at the CrossFit games and a hundred of ’em are VAX. And two of ’em have, uh, clotting events. And it’s just the VAX ones. Now we’re starting to get some data. And it, I realize it’s just a study, you know, of just those people. Um,

Tom (08:51):


Sevan Matossian (08:52):

But find it very, very, very odd.

Tom (08:54):

It it’s worth investigation rather than the mainstream saying, oh, y’all are conspiracy theorists because doctors are good at recognizing patterns. And even as a urologist, I am recognizing patterns in the patients that I see. Uh, I had a, a 48 year old woman in my office who had a blank stare and her husband brought her cuz he thought she had a urinary tract infection. And I was worried about her because she was not responding normally. And Senator to the ER, she had had a stroke and she was like two or three weeks after her vaccine. Uh, I had a, be a good friend from grade school, healthy exercising guy, 50 years old, died of a stroke after his vaccine. I mean

Sevan Matossian (09:39):

There’re and these are, and how long have you been a physician?

Tom (09:42):

Since 1997.

Sevan Matossian (09:43):

So, uh, 25 years. And, and, and these stick out to you now, like it, like, what if I were to ask you, but this happens every year. Doctor Dr.

Tom (09:52):

Cisk. I, I, I don’t, I would say yes, it happens to certain people, but I’m seeing it more in people that it doesn’t normally happen to like CrossFitters and right. People who have no other, uh, history at all who have these weird, I mean, the right after the vaccines were started in what it was at, uh, 20, 20 early, 20, 21, is that when they came out, I don’t remember our hospital ran out of TPA, which is the therapeutic drug they give for clotting disorders. Yeah.

Ken Sanders (10:21):

I was, I was just getting ready to mention that

Sevan Matossian (10:23):


Tom (10:24):

Ran outta the anti clotting drug right after they started these, these vaccines. And it’s just well known that the spike protein in the disease, COVID 19 causes clotting disorders. That’s why people who get COVID have heart attacks and strokes. So you take that same spike protein, and you load it into, uh, everybody on the planet and you say, oh, these clotting disorders aren’t related to the vaccine. You know, it’s just there where there’s smoke, there’s at least something going on and it needs to be investigated by somebody who’s not from the government and not from, uh, Pfizer or Moderna

Sevan Matossian (10:58):

In these,

Tom (10:58):

You definitely evaluated

Sevan Matossian (11:00):

If you’re an athlete out there and, and, and you’ve been, um, vaccinated and you’re concerned. Um, is there any precautions they could take?

Tom (11:09):

Geez, I, I don’t, I don’t know, just stay health as you can, if you’ve already been vaccinated. Um, I don’t know. I don’t know the data on how long the spike protein and those nanoparticles hang around. I’ve, I’ve read reports that they’re being found months later in tissues that have been Bob seeded. So, you know, in your body is gonna amount an inflammatory response to these things, to foreign objects. And, you know, I don’t know the data on that. I’m just a dumb urologist. I’m just noticing a pattern in the patients that I see. And in things like this, all anecdotal, I will admit, but somebody’s gotta be looking into this and not just discounting it.

Sevan Matossian (11:47):

Uh, do you agree Ken, that this, this is needs to be looked at to CrossFit athletes? Uh, both having clotting. This is, this is weird.

Ken Sanders (11:54):

I, I agree. It’s weird. I mean, when I saw the, uh, the Emily RO post, I, I was just AMA I mean, you know, somebody at the peak of the pinnacle of human fitness, um, just spontaneously has an arterial clot that is bizarre by any standard. Uh, so yeah, I mean, I think someone should look into it. Uh, I think we, you know, it’s become such a political hot potato that, you know, now we’re gonna, we’re gonna take our tenfold hats off after the show, I guess. But, uh, that, that’s how this is gone. Now. It’s all political, there’s no medicine anymore being discussed as far as, uh, epidemiology and studies that people just want it automatically go political with this. And, um, that’s not, you know, I don’t think that’s not what Tom and I are either one of us are saying is, you know, just look at this just, you know, yes. Okay. The vaccine’s out. Yes. Millions of people have had it. We’re there, we’re beyond the argument of whether to take it or not people that are going to take it have already taken it. People that aren’t aren’t haven’t don’t have it, it probably never will. So let’s now move forward and find out what, what this is,

Sevan Matossian (13:01):

Uh, sounds, uh, wise, fi final thought both of these people, from what I can tell one, uh, more explicitly than the other, um, says that they’re so happy that they were in the United States when this happened. These are Canadians.

Ken Sanders (13:14):

I saw that

Sevan Matossian (13:15):


Ken Sanders (13:15):

It’s amazing

Sevan Matossian (13:16):

Because of the way our health system is set up. Can you vouch for that? That, that if, if you’re gonna have an event like this, this is the place to be.

Ken Sanders (13:25):

I, I can, I mean, I can definitely say that. Um, now is Emily, where is Emily? She Canadian

Sevan Matossian (13:30):

As well? Canadian also. Yeah.

Ken Sanders (13:31):

Okay. So both Canadians and we have a good friend in our gym, Tom and I have a good friend. Who’s a weightlifting coach, who’s Canadian. And he just echoes the same thing. He’s like, you know, uh, he, he now lives here most of the time. And he says the similar type of thing, as we’ve all heard, you know, um, you, you want to be in the us if you’ve got serious medical problems or you wanna get him to looked at abruptly.

Tom (13:52):

I I’m, uh, not a fan of socialized medicine, but, uh, you know, and our system is broken. But, um, I, I have heard that for acute events in Canada, you know, emergencies is better than your chronic thing. Like if you tore your ACL, you may wait a long time for your knee surgery, but for acute things, it’s better. Uh, I, I can’t speak to that, but that’s what I’ve heard. But I do know like the guy in our gym who say that it’s better if you get sick to be here, but I don’t have any firsthand knowledge of

Sevan Matossian (14:23):

That. Okay. Thank you guys for coming on. Uh, everyone, thank you for being patient. I think this is an important topic. I really hope that since we’ve seen two events, that doesn’t mean that there’s five, just ticking, waiting to happen. Step may, either find out or not, and it may more may have happened. And we just don’t know also, by the way, sorry, go ahead.

Tom (14:40):

Can I, can I add one last thing, please? You know, that, that, uh, the insurance data and I have not verified this, but I read, and I believe I farted it to you, an insurance CEO saying that they’re noticing a significant increase in all calls, mortalities in younger age groups. That’s absolutely not normal. And if anybody’s gonna figure it out, it’s gonna be the actuaries and the insurance companies who are gonna say, look, all these young people are dying of weird things. Now what’s going on. So maybe

Sevan Matossian (15:07):

That’s, yeah, that’s a scary, that’s when insurance people start talking, because I know that they are the real scientists. Uh, it’s scary. I saw that article. It, that is terrifying, especially if you’re between the age of 18 and 44,

Tom (15:19):

That may be where we need to eventually get the answers is from the insurance companies and their real world data on who’s dying and of what, and who’s having clots. I mean, now Roth is gonna be in a database somewhere as a how old she is person with a CLO her arm. How does that compare to 10 years ago? You know? So that’s where maybe the things gonna get ironed out.

Sevan Matossian (15:40):

Go ahead, Ken, go ahead, Ken. Before I, I

Ken Sanders (15:42):

Was just gonna say, it’s, it’s terrible that, uh, in that you know, this 20, 22, the bean counters where the insurance companies are gonna drag us to maybe the truth about this whole situation.

Sevan Matossian (15:51):

Yeah. Well, hopefully someone will guys. Thanks for coming on. I still don’t. Uh, forget the last time we worked out together at cross HQ and you guys both beat me and I resent you both for

Tom (16:02):

That. Look forward to another

Sevan Matossian (16:03):

One now. Bye. Hi,

Taylor Self (16:10):

What’s up? Oh, sorry. We both tried to do that.

Sevan Matossian (16:13):

Always one shirtless, man. Thank you for taking it for the team today, Jr. Jr. Is it hot as shit where you’re at? Is that why you’re shirtless? You worked out, can’t hear

Taylor Self (16:22):

You’re on mute. I bet his truck smells like, but Doy

Sevan Matossian (16:26):

<laugh> no, I just,

JR Howell (16:29):

I just got done coaching and I’m soaking wet.

Sevan Matossian (16:31):

Awesome. Uh, we are, uh, 54 minutes away from starting the swim event. I spoke to a couple of the testers that shall not be named. And they said it’s hard as

Taylor Self (16:43):

Shit. Who, who

Sevan Matossian (16:45):

I can’t tell you. I can tell you off the air

Taylor Self (16:47):

Is my mic is my mic louder enough?

Sevan Matossian (16:49):

So <laugh>, uh, they said it’s extremely, extremely, extremely hard. And it makes me wonder that maybe we were not, uh, I mean, I know we said it’s hard, but maybe, uh, you and, uh, LAER GI sounded a bit cavalier yesterday in your assessment that, uh, a large chunk of the pack will make it to the, um, seven and eight, the, the free rounds. We’ll

Taylor Self (17:11):

See. I think the, I think

JR Howell (17:12):

Lazar only said, I think Las, I only said 10 to 15.

Taylor Self (17:14):

Yeah. He said 10. And I said, 10, maybe a little more than that. I it’s easy to look at a workout and be cavalier about it. That’s correct. I do think there’s a huge distinction for the people that know how to swim and are efficient in the water. It’s not going to be challenging to get around seven and eight for the people who don’t have thousands of hours in the pool, it’s gonna be extremely difficult.

Sevan Matossian (17:35):

I think that’s <laugh> everyone.

Taylor Self (17:38):


Sevan Matossian (17:38):

Is making everyone

Taylor Self (17:39):

Let’s go.

Sevan Matossian (17:40):

<laugh> LA LA. They don’t. This is not a communist country. Everyone doesn’t make it only, only the strong survive here. Uh, uh, so what happens is, is they’re gonna get, they’re gonna have the massive adrenaline pump. They’re gonna jump in the water. They’re gonna swim the 50 yards they’re gonna get out. And then they’re gonna pull the RG.

Taylor Self (18:00):

I wonder how many people are gonna choke on chlorine

Sevan Matossian (18:04):

And that’s gonna exacerbate problems, right? In terms of, in terms of just your comfortability, right. You’re in the third round and, and your breathing pattern gets outta whack, cuz you want to go faster and you take down a chunk of water.

Taylor Self (18:15):

There’s gonna be some, some mouthfuls for sure.

Sevan Matossian (18:19):

Uh, everyone freestyle.

Taylor Self (18:21):


Sevan Matossian (18:22):

Yeah. We won’t see anyone like turn on their back, back back <laugh>

Taylor Self (18:31):

If someone backstrokes I’ll fucking, wow. I’d say shave my head, but I can’t really do that. It’s already shaved

Sevan Matossian (18:38):

Matthew Suza. Uh, great shot. Are you in front of the venue? What, what are we, um, uh, what are we looking at?

Mattew Souza (18:44):

Yeah, I’ve made it just in time. Uh, the athletes are gonna come right in front of my camera right now. They just arrived on scene for the pool.

Sevan Matossian (18:51):

Okay. Can you get closer to ’em so we can a them?

Mattew Souza (18:55):

Yeah. Yeah. I’ve already gotten, uh, a little heads up here by this guy, so we’ll see how close they get for you to tackles me.

Sevan Matossian (19:03):

So these are the men and women individuals, and they’re, they’ve all been brought, I guess they probably met at the venue and they’ve all been brought out.

Mattew Souza (19:11):

I would assume that’s the case. Yeah. And they’re trying to keep it tight. So they’re gonna take them right through. You just got to off by this bus and they’re gonna roll right into that door. You guys could see a little bit further back assuming there’s no, uh, medical incidents on the way.

Sevan Matossian (19:27):

Right. Uh, I heard, we’ve heard this morning that the, uh, ERGs went down during the team event. Is there, um, how do they, how do they fix that? So in the middle of a workout and the IG stops working,

Taylor Self (19:43):


Mattew Souza (19:43):

Do they fix it? I had heard, I had heard, they just, they have some other ones from standby and they just roll it out and roll it back you on events. I’m not sure how they reconcile it after the fact, but I, I heard that they had a couple that they just swap out real quickly.

Sevan Matossian (19:55):

Okay. Is that the, the young lady right in front of you with the camera is that Mariah Moore?

Mattew Souza (20:00):

That is, and she is pointing that camera at miss, uh, Tia tarami, which is just right there in front of me here is, uh, Ben Smith as well. So it’s coaches in athletes in this, uh, in this mix.

Sevan Matossian (20:13):

Awesome. Uh, for those of you who don’t know, uh, Mariah Moore’s been involved in pretty much every single documentary that’s come out of, uh, CrossFit HQ, including the most recent one, which she basically single handedly made. I have not seen it yet, but she is probably one of the most creative, hardest working people that I’ve ever worked with. Um, and I’ve worked out with her probably a hundred times in the gym too, and never beat her, that girl right there with the white Fanny pack. But she’s getting old. I could probably, maybe I could beat her now. Uh, is that Bosman given the briefing?

Mattew Souza (20:45):

No, I, I think this isn’t the, this is not the event briefing. It’s just talking about the way that they’re gonna move into the pool and then where they’re gonna go.

Sevan Matossian (20:55):

Do you see, um, uh, Maderas in the group?

Mattew Souza (20:59):

I do not, but I did run into his, uh, dad earlier in wisdom, him a happy birthday from, uh, the podcast.

Sevan Matossian (21:04):

Awesome. Oh, what is going on tomorrow? Is there a gathering? Uh, tonight it’s tonight, it’s

Taylor Self (21:10):

A party at the trailer park, baby.

Sevan Matossian (21:12):

And, and is that a dab? A CrossFit, um, party what’s going on there?

Mattew Souza (21:17):

Yeah, basically they call it a, a affiliate OG gathering. So there’s been a couple of ’em of us that have been, uh, invited through there. And I think they’re kind of opening it up, but, um, yeah, it’ll be at the RV park,

Taylor Self (21:29):

Greasy mullets everywhere.

Mattew Souza (21:31):

That’s right.

Sevan Matossian (21:38):

I’m just watching.

Taylor Self (21:39):

Yeah, this is, uh, I don’t know.

Mattew Souza (21:45):

What’s up brother

Sevan Matossian (21:46):

Christ. Is that Christoff? Yep.

Taylor Self (21:48):


Mattew Souza (21:48):

Christoff. Yes. That is Christoff that our favorite material along.

Sevan Matossian (21:52):


Taylor Self (21:53):

Yeah. Cool.

Sevan Matossian (21:56):

That didn’t look like enough athletes that didn’t look like 80 athletes.

Mattew Souza (21:59):

Not, not just the women. Just the women.

Sevan Matossian (22:01):

Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, so Kristoff’s there with, uh, um, yeah, Gabriela Maga.

Mattew Souza (22:06):

That’s right.

Sevan Matossian (22:08):

Okay. And is, is, is the other bus there with the dudes or do they come later?

Mattew Souza (22:13):

I don’t see it. We have these three buses here. Uh, but they’re all empty limit them out of this one right here. Okay. And that one’s been here since they got here. So I, unless they’re keeping ’em in there, although if there’s AC in there, it’s probably much cooler inside that bus than it is already here. It is 10:00 AM and we are at 81 degrees already.

Sevan Matossian (22:34):

Uh, a shitty 81 too. Muggy.

Mattew Souza (22:36):

Yeah. Sticky.

Sevan Matossian (22:38):

I wonder if, when you go in there, when that place is full, if it’s gonna be like, you know, like when you’re in the shower and it’s so hot and you gotta open the door and like take a little breath of fresh clean air. I wonder if it’s gonna be like that inside that pole center. Have you been in a lot of pole centers? Taylor? What’s it gonna be like in there?

Taylor Self (22:50):

It’s muggy

Sevan Matossian (22:52):

Like, like Osei, like

Taylor Self (22:53):

Badi it’s yeah. It’s I hate it. So my sister dove collegiately for Clemson and growing up, I would travel to pools and I just remember thinking, fuck this one. It’s boring. His shit to watch diving. Sorry for all you divers out there. Uh, and just, yeah, steamy, disgusting, but then you get in a cold pool and you’re good to go. So that’ll be all right.

Sevan Matossian (23:15):

Um, I think earlier today, uh, maybe 4:00 AM my time, uh, Jr. Sent me a text with another workout. Uh, the first thing I thought is, oh my God. Someone hates Colton MES. Yeah. Is that, is that workout number eight? Is that later on today?

Taylor Self (23:34):

Yes. That’s the next, no, that’s workout nine.

Sevan Matossian (23:37):

Oh, and that, and that’s later on today. Can we pull, uh, oh, good morning, Caleb. Good morning. Brand stutter. Um, could we pull that workout up the, the workout that’s the, uh,

Taylor Self (23:45):

Yeah. It’s event nine

Sevan Matossian (23:46):

Wall ball and something else.

Taylor Self (23:50):

Yep. Wall ball, dumbbell, snatch sprint style.

Sevan Matossian (23:53):

Okay. So this workout will be today at, uh, 11:00 AM central time, correct?

Taylor Self (24:02):

Yep. Uh, no, this is, yeah. So what’s going on now is, can you scroll up a little bit, Caleb? See what the event before that is? Or will,

Sevan Matossian (24:13):

Oh, the hat trick.

Taylor Self (24:14):

Yeah, what’s up, what’s above hat trick. Just real quick. Um, rinse and repeat then hat trick. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (24:22):

So rinse and repeat is what’s gonna happen in, uh, 45 minutes, 46 minutes.

Taylor Self (24:26):

Okay. So this is event rinse and repeats event. Eight hat tricks event nine. Got it.

Sevan Matossian (24:33):

So, so, so explain this to me. I don’t, I don’t, how is this workout gonna be scored for everyone who doesn’t know, who can’t see the, uh, the screen it’s three rounds for time. It’s called hat trick. It’s sprint, obviously 20 wall ball shots. Um, six dumbbell snatches rest, four minutes. It’s a 14, uh, pound ball for the women to an 11 foot target. And for the minutes to a 12 foot target, 20 pound ball and, uh, 70 pounds and 100 pounds Jr. Uh, how is this thing scored?

JR Howell (25:02):

Yeah. So similar to, um, I would say the closest thing you could think about is the workout you did against miss, uh, KRS stutter, the snatch ladder, where you had, you had a certain amount of work to complete, and then you had a mandatory one minute rest, right? And then you did it again. And then you rested a minute again and did again, that’s the way this reads. So they’re gonna do three rounds for total time, for cumulative time, with a mandatory rest of four minutes between rounds,

Sevan Matossian (25:31):

Knowing that. So, so they believe that no one will finish this. So you just add up your total reps.

Taylor Self (25:36):

No, they will finish. They will finish it’s for total time.

Sevan Matossian (25:39):

So, oh, total time.

Taylor Self (25:40):

Okay. Athletes sprint to the WBAL. We’re assuming this is gonna take place on the north park. They’ll sprint to their WBA target. Uh, so a long, long run, quote, unquote, maybe a hundred meters, 50 meters to a hundred meters. They’ll pick their wall ball up. They’ll do 20 wall ball shots, advance their dumbbell finish with six dumbbell snatches. And it does not specify a squat, but I think it would be pretty.

JR Howell (26:03):

It is, it is squat.

Taylor Self (26:04):

Oh, that’s fucking awesome. Beautiful. Six dumbbell, squat, snatches. And then rest.

Sevan Matossian (26:10):

Do you have to change hands? Do you have to change hands

Taylor Self (26:12):


Sevan Matossian (26:13):

Yep. Alternating

Taylor Self (26:13):

Hands. So it’ll be 3, 2, 1 go sprint 20 wall ball shots, six dumbbell, squat snatches. As soon as you finish your six dumbbell squat, snatch advance to the finish line or they’ll call time, hit the stopwatch and then you rest for minutes. Um,

Sevan Matossian (26:29):

And if you finish the thing in a minute, let’s say, hypothetically, you get five minutes rest. Yes.

Taylor Self (26:33):

So every six minutes they’ll begin a new round 3, 2, 1 go zero. They start around at the six minute mark. They’ll start around. Then at the 12 minute, mark, they’ll start around. Athletes score will be rounds one, two, and three, however long it took the athletes added together. So if it took an athlete a minute 30 each round, their score is four and a half minutes.

Sevan Matossian (26:52):

Uh, can anyone do this, uh, come out and do this in sub sub one minute.

Taylor Self (26:56):

Ooh. It depends on how long the run is to be honest, 20 wall shots and six snatches. Sure.

Sevan Matossian (27:01):

What do you mean run? What do you mean run it’s

JR Howell (27:03):

That? And if they’re willing to go touch and go on the snatches.

Taylor Self (27:05):

Yeah. I think athletes will go touch and go on the snatches. Uh, it starts with a sprint Sev on, so their starting line is

Sevan Matossian (27:11):

Up. Yeah. I thought that’s an order. I thought that was a descriptive. I’m such a knucklehead. I thought that was like, they’re telling you, Hey, you gotta do this fast.

Taylor Self (27:19):

No, I think they’re gonna sprint to me. It would make sense for them to sprint to the starting line. Yeah. Field sprint.

Sevan Matossian (27:27):

Okay. And does that mean there? It makes you think that there will be some. Oh, and then, and then as soon as you put the dumbbell down, you’ll probably have to take a few steps to cross for your chip to cross over some marker, right?

Taylor Self (27:38):


Sevan Matossian (27:39):

Oh, why not put the sprint at the end so we can see that.

Taylor Self (27:43):

I think the sprint to start is a little better.

Sevan Matossian (27:46):

I don’t what do you think, Jr?

JR Howell (27:47):

Yeah. They’re just trying to make the squats a little bit harder for both movements by sprinting into it.

Sevan Matossian (27:52):

Well, if you do sprint from the, from the round before, it’ll, it’ll give you the same effect. You know what I’m saying, Joe, this is,

JR Howell (28:00):

This is something really cool programming wise to see the redundancy of consecutive movements only done a couple times in CrossFit games, history with the dumb, with the, um, hang squat, snatch and wall ball workout from the really early years. And then in chaos, when they went from the dumbbell overhead squat to the pistols, that’s the only two other times I can think about back to back squatting movements in the same workout that the CrossFit games.

Sevan Matossian (28:28):

Why, why, what did, uh, but they’re not squatting in this next workout. What do you mean back to back?

Taylor Self (28:33):

They are it’s, it’s a wall ball and a dumbbell squat snatch.

Sevan Matossian (28:36):

No, no. I mean, this one that they’re about to do the skier swim,

Taylor Self (28:39):

He’s talking about within the same,

Sevan Matossian (28:41):

I’m referring to the same event,

JR Howell (28:43):

Executive movements, executive movements in the same workout. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (28:47):

And, and what was,

JR Howell (28:48):


Sevan Matossian (28:48):

Uh, and what was the

JR Howell (28:49):

Other way chaos, which is when they didn’t know what the workout was until they were on the field. They had to do dumbbell, overhead squats and pistols back to back. And then I think from 2009, eight or nine, 2009, they did, uh, actually I believe it, was it three rounds sale or five rounds that

Taylor Self (29:09):

It changed it to three rounds because it was so fucking terrible of 30 hang squat, snatches and 30 wall balls,

JR Howell (29:15):

Which would be awesome to ask Boz, is that where he got the idea, like, is that where he kind of took this format from? Um, so,

Sevan Matossian (29:25):

Well you remind me so I can ask him that tonight. Yeah,

Taylor Self (29:27):

We will. And it was 75 pound hang snatch for the guys, 55 for the ladies. So super light and a 20 pound. And

JR Howell (29:33):

They had to go below and they had to go below the knee, which was odd too. It

Taylor Self (29:36):

Was a low hang. Well, just to standardize it for everyone. I thought that was a fucking cool standard

JR Howell (29:40):

Below the knee discussion. Yeah. And for everyone that’s like for everyone, that’s really following along with the programming that geeks out on stuff, you have to think back to what we’ve seen so far this year and how this could have not maybe been predicted, but been almost expected from the athletes and their coaches in quarter finals was the first time.

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