#527 – Live Call In Show | No Games Talk

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Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Like bam alive, ish that,

Mattew Souza (00:06):

Oh God, no, no, no.

Sevan Matossian (00:09):

I don’t know what to change it to

Mattew Souza (00:13):

That one. Wasn’t that one? Wasn’t bad.

Sevan Matossian (00:15):

Why? What about this one? No, this one

Mattew Souza (00:20):

That one’s not that one’s not as bad. Not that one.

Mattew Souza (00:26):


Sevan Matossian (00:28):

I, I used to have one that was just like ticking. Oh, remember when I had the Darth Vader breathing?

Mattew Souza (00:36):


Sevan Matossian (00:37):

What was wrong with that?

Mattew Souza (00:39):

I don’t know. Why’d you change it?

Sevan Matossian (00:42):

Oh, how about that?

Mattew Souza (00:43):

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (00:45):

Or, oh wait. Oh shit. There’s a whole other, like one that no,

Mattew Souza (00:52):

A train that last one sounded like a casino slot slot machine at a casino.

Sevan Matossian (01:07):

Oh, wait, how about this one?

Mattew Souza (01:11):

Yeah, that’s good. Wait, was that what it was?

Sevan Matossian (01:14):

Uh, I think that’s what it was back in the day. Oh,

Mattew Souza (01:17):

Oh yeah. That one sounds good. It just can’t be super sharp when it rings.

Sevan Matossian (01:21):

Okay. So it’s either this or this? Which

Mattew Souza (01:27):

One? I kind of like the second one.

Sevan Matossian (01:29):

Okay. Me too. Okay. Let’s try that. Oh, hi. Holy shit. Back you. I thought you escaped

Mattew Souza (01:41):

He’s back in hostage.

Sevan Matossian (01:45):

Host the,

Caleb Beaver (01:50):

They, uh,

Sevan Matossian (01:51):

Can you be in the show today?

Caleb Beaver (01:53):

Yeah, sure. I’m in a bunker. So

Sevan Matossian (01:57):

He’s so easy. These days he’s been sub dude. If peed, peeled back the layers of Caleb’s ego,

Mattew Souza (02:06):

Caleb’s been up for 36 hours.

Mattew Souza (02:08):


Caleb Beaver (02:10):

Feels like it, dude, your day. I, and then I just, just stayed up until like this morning.

Sevan Matossian (02:20):


Caleb Beaver (02:21):

Today, like this afternoon.

Mattew Souza (02:24):

That’s crazy. I thought I was bad.

Sevan Matossian (02:28):

I wanna read to you this. Um, DM, someone sent me, I, I got approval for it cuz uh, um, you know, I was looking for games, content, the whole games, content thing is so funny. There’s so much ma where it it’s. It’s like the wild, wild west meets the um, uh, home for dis mentally disabled adults. The wild wild west is just me and the home for mentally disabled adults is CrossFit HQ. Did, did you, did you know that they’ve had their games live stream pulled down already, dude?

Caleb Beaver (03:04):

No. I tried to find it. I was like, oh, I just wanna go look for it. And it is gone. I just wanted to re-watch a little bit of it. There’s nothing there. It’s all like granite games and touring pro

Sevan Matossian (03:14):

Who is running CrossFit media. There’s the what a mess. Hey, and the thing is, is that they, their, their PR guy, Andrew Weinstein over there, he thrives off of problems. So you’re only like you bring a cat and a snake home to catch rats, right? And then if there’s no rats, then fucking, what are the cat and the snake gonna do, right? That that’s what this dude, boy rats. They have a PR guy there that only functions if there’s problems and man, do they create a lot of problems for themselves 15 years and, and, and they’re still getting shit pulled down off of YouTube. The irony is, is that those fuckers, all I’ve done is promote them. Even when I talk shit about them, all it does is promote them and help them. And they had my shit pulled down. They went out of their way. Some guy I looked at, um, some guy named stewartHarris@crossfit.com. Mm-hmm <affirmative> he’s he? He’s the one that reported. He’s the one I’m sure he is on the legal team. There he’s the one that had our video pulled down when we were doing the Torian pro thing.

Caleb Beaver (04:14):

Ah, good dude.

Sevan Matossian (04:15):

Yeah. What a good dude, but it’s dude, but, but like that dude, that dude should be fucking, let go. Hayne should be let go. Um, whoever, whoever slept their way, um, had sex, uh, while in wedlock with other employees there and slept their way to the top. Uh, but yet walks around, ping themselves on being a strong woman. That person should be,

Caleb Beaver (04:36):

Let go person from the military for that,

Sevan Matossian (04:39):

For what? Banging fucking

Caleb Beaver (04:41):

Some yeah, extra marital relations or something like that.

Sevan Matossian (04:46):

Really. So if you had, if you, if some dude had sex with your wife, even though she’s not in the military and if you reported him, he would be toast.

Caleb Beaver (04:55):

Yeah. If you can prove it, then you get, you get dishonorably discharged.

Sevan Matossian (05:01):

I’m just so you know, I’m I, I, I think I don’t mean to me in other people’s business, like Texas is a powerful, powerful, uh, component of life and people should be able to do what they do. But as I’ve matured, there’s this thing you have to realize about leadership and about, about relationships. So for example, if I’m friends with Matt and his, uh, fiance and I’m friends with Caleb and his wife and we hang out and there’s like four other couples and we hang out, we’re we all hang out regularly together. We’re the group, right? And we’re, you know, there’s, there’s the Christians and there’s the Scientologists and there’s the Muslims and we’re, we’re all different. And, and, but we’re all friends, we know each other and we’re friends because we have kids, we go to the park, all that shit. You have to understand once you have kids, that’s the way life is.

Sevan Matossian (05:42):

And then all of a sudden Caleb and his wife get a fucking divorce, all the other couples that, that fucking hits them. So fucking hard. They’re like, oh shit, cuz it makes all of us realize our relationships are vulnerable. Then we find out that it was because Caleb’s wife was cheating. I’m sorry. Caleb, did you use use an example? What that does is then all the wives now are like telling the husbands, are you cheating? And so when you have people in your ranks that are behaving like that, basically liars and, and um, and, and, and stomping on other people’s feelings. It, it, it fucks everything up. It’s not that it’s not that it’s just not what leaders do. It’s a, um, and you, and you know, you don’t want the president fucking out banging a bunch of people because then that compromise. And if he, if he’s not honest about it, because we judge people for that.

Sevan Matossian (06:29):

And if you’re not honest about it, it compromises the whole national security. What if we find out that, um, there’s what if the Russians found out that Biden likes getting naked with the Chippendales and fucking running a train with him, but he doesn’t want anyone to know. So then, uh, hypothetically of course, so then they tell him, Hey, you better do this, this and this around the Ukraine or else we’re gonna release the fucking, uh, monkeypox party you had with the Chippendales. And it’s like, and so when you have someone at HQ, uh, like this person who, who banged their way to the top, but what’s crazy too, is they celebrate what a strong woman they are and all this shit <laugh>. But anyway, I digress. I, you can’t have a media team who it’s the biggest, I mean, yesterday was the biggest show in Seon podcast history. It was nuts. I think there were almost a hundred thousand, um, downloads from our live views just on YouTube. Joe Biden is one good bang away from being in a casket. Say that again? CA

Caleb Beaver (07:24):

Just after the show, like after it was over, we had a shitload too.

Sevan Matossian (07:27):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was nuts. It’s nuts. So I, so that means it’s the biggest day probably in the, for, for a CrossFit it’s media, cuz we’re fucking, just piggybacking off of their shit. And, and then to have your feed pulled down. I mean, if I’m the sponsors and I’m the, uh, if I’m anyone involved I’m I’m tripping. Well, who did I get with? No.

Caleb Beaver (07:55):

Has that ever happened before?

Sevan Matossian (07:57):

Yes. Yes, yes. Yes. It’s it’s definitely, it’s definitely happened before. Should not be ha should not be happening on on day. One of the games should not be happening day one of the game. It definitely happened before. I think I remember the first time it happened was one of those events we did in San Jose. It was like, what was it like when we, we did like the international game shit. Like the what’s that called the not the, is that the invitational

Caleb Beaver (08:22):

It’s invitational?

Sevan Matossian (08:23):

Yeah, we did invitational

Caleb Beaver (08:25):

Like Europe and USA and Australia.

Sevan Matossian (08:29):

Uh, speak to me from the desert speak.

Guest Speaker 1 (08:33):

Hey SI. Fan from the QTA. Have you been here before?

Sevan Matossian (08:37):

I have not been to QTA.

Guest Speaker 1 (08:40):

Awesome. Well, we hope to welcome you on day. I just wanna ask, can you get Maow Brian onto the show because I’m sure she’s gonna win this weekend and she’d be great for the show.

Sevan Matossian (08:50):

Um, I’ve never even heard Maow, Brian talk

Caleb Beaver (08:53):


Mattew Souza (08:55):

On any show actually. That’s actually true. I

Sevan Matossian (08:58):

Couldn’t tell you what she sounds like. I couldn’t tell you. Um, I send out invitations to everyone’s invited to the show. It’s my it’s my honor. To have anyone on the show. I’d love to have free of, uh, moose Bruger on the show. I’d love to have mall O’Brien. I’d love to have Jorge Navarro. I’d love to have your mom. Um, <laugh> ma O’Brien would be great. Matt Fraser would be great. Um, uh, well, Jake, Marco, I had him on that. Wasn’t so great. Say that again

Guest Speaker 1 (09:29):

In 2016, Matt also didn’t do any interviews. He was just grinding through the games. Yeah. So you managed to get him onto your podcast.

Sevan Matossian (09:37):

Yeah, that would, but, but I, but since everything’s yeah, I agree. I, I, I don’t, I don’t, um, here’s the thing too. Um, yeah. I don’t know. I, I can only speculate why she hasn’t come on the show. I do think that everyone who comes on the show, no matter like what your poli, I really do believe this, no matter what your political bend is, whether you like me or hate me, when you come on the show, your value goes up. I think we’ve only had one guest where yeah, they came on and it went sideways for him. And it was, and it was James Fitzgerald and it was towards the end of the podcast. And um, I asked him what the difference is between I told him, I didn’t know the difference. Oh, he was saying that his program customizes workouts for, um, for, for their staff, for their, uh, clients, what’s he do OPEX.

Sevan Matossian (10:25):

He said OPEX does customization training. And I go, so does CrossFit. And he rolled his eyes and kind of like was like, oh, you’re one of those that doesn’t know the difference. And that I don’t, I don’t mind. But the, um, uh, cuz I’m fine being stupid and someone rolling their eyes at me. Um, I have kids, they do that shit to me all the time, but the audience didn’t like it. But other than that, the other 499 guests we’ve had on yes. Have walked away looking great. I mean look at fucking, um, people have come on the show, slap me around Annie Thor’s daughter slapped me around was like, yo you say one word about catch and I’ll fuck you up. Yeah. Laura Hove slapped me around. It’s like, just come on here. I’m the I’m the heel just come like you’ll you’ll you’ll leave looking great. I’m a bottomless of fucking love and pure. Sorry, say that again. I was getting off on myself. Say that again.

Guest Speaker 1 (11:14):

If you get Bryan on the show, it’ll be the most show on the channel. Um, show.

Sevan Matossian (11:20):

Yeah. Cause she’s I, I think it already is the most I think. Oh, oh, oh, you’re saying that she’ll be more popular than any other guest. Well, Hey, let me tell you what’s more popular than any guest. When it rains. When, when CrossFit games has no strategy for their media and they don’t put out any content worth watching and then it rains. Yes. And everyone has to leave their dumb ass feed. That, I mean, we, we, I think we had 30,000 viewers or something yesterday, so

Guest Speaker 1 (11:48):

We’ll keep up the great efforts on your podcast because is the closest we can get to behind the scenes. That’s probably the best content out there for CrossFit. Thank I hope you could go there someday and, and do your own independence thing

Sevan Matossian (12:00):

And God, I hope not. Please stop asking. Please. Don’t pray for that. You just that uh, well

Guest Speaker 1 (12:05):

I’d love.

Sevan Matossian (12:06):

Can you just pray that like a full of a billion falls on me next to you next to me next to you? Yeah. If you’re gonna pray for me, pray for that. <laugh>

Guest Speaker 1 (12:17):

Yeah. Ask Don, Don. See you.

Sevan Matossian (12:21):

Okay. Thank you.

Guest Speaker 1 (12:24):

Thank you.

Sevan Matossian (12:25):

Don’t don’t call about the games anymore. You’re timeout. No talk starts with games to like <laugh> so what, what a mess that they, that the yesterday’s game shit is down, but that’s just good for us again, but right for us. I swear. I swear you better not say a thing about the games. Hi. How can I help you?

Guest Speaker 2 (12:48):

Hey, is this

Sevan Matossian (12:49):

It depends on what your question is.

Guest Speaker 2 (12:54):

Uh, I’m a, the, I’ll be a, I call myself the crazy Canadian. Just, uh, you want no game talk? So I had a question for you. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (13:01):

Thank. Yes. This is Seon. Nice to hear from you. Uh, CC.

Guest Speaker 2 (13:05):

Yeah, my name is Rob. My name’s Rob I’m I’m from Canada. So you know, just, just little. Hi, we do have, we do have sunshine once in a once in a while. Anyways, the question I had,

Sevan Matossian (13:14):

How’s your, uh, how’s your myocarditis doing?

Guest Speaker 2 (13:18):

<laugh> I don’t have it. Sorry.

Sevan Matossian (13:20):

Good. No,

Guest Speaker 2 (13:21):

That’s Rob number two. Okay. Uh, I think yesterday people were more excited to watch the post, your post show than watching the actual games. <laugh> it was such an awesome day for you guys. Anyways.

Sevan Matossian (13:33):

Thank you. The games were, the games were games. I thought you said you weren’t gonna talk about the games, but you did. The games were awesome.

Guest Speaker 2 (13:38):

No, no, no, no. I got question outside of the game. It was, it was an excellent day. It truly was an excellent more

Sevan Matossian (13:44):

Travis mayor. We would’ve had more. Travis mayor. Would’ve been perfect. We need way more Travis mayor, but go on.

Guest Speaker 2 (13:50):

Yeah. I had a question for, and, and maybe, uh, Susan can and Susan was great yesterday, but this is a question about the fitness industry. I sent you a message on your last couple live calls ago, F 45 recently had a plummet 60% plummet on their stock. They fired the CEO 110 staff, laid off, shutting down a bunch of locations. And I know you’re on their journey. You’ve done one, uh, your first, uh, affiliate interview with excellent with fellow Chris. And he was, you know, true and down to earth. And where I know I have a, someone connected to the orange theory world that they’re seeing memberships declining. So my question is are when the pandemic occurred and people shifted to zoom calls, zoom workouts, or they bought Peloton or whatever they did bought bunch of barbells and stuff, are people truly at home or are getting less

Mattew Souza (14:51):

Well, if I can answer this, I actually think it has nothing to do with the garage gyms. I think it has everything to do with $10 gas prices in California. I mean the cost of living has risen and, um, we’re entering this recession even though the white house doesn’t wanna admit it right now. But by definition, we are now in a recession with two down quarters in a row of GDP. And I just think that people’s extra, you know, income is evaporated. And when that happens, those first things that go is stuff like the gym memberships. And especially when you talk about orange theory or F 45, because they usually lack community in a sense. So the bonds are not as tight as it would be at a CrossFit affiliate. And it’s just easy to let it go, Hey, we’re, you know, we’re down several hundred dollars this month. What are we gonna do? Well, I haven’t been to F 45 in a while. I could just run on my own. Let’s cut the membership off. So that’s what has more to do with it? It’s just like a circuit training. Mark Walberg was a big investor in it. Yeah, they just do,

Sevan Matossian (15:50):

There is really good news for CrossFit though. There is really good news for HQ. I don’t know if it’s good for the affiliates, but um, when in a recession, CrossFit explodes.

Mattew Souza (16:01):


Sevan Matossian (16:01):

It, so, so seminar sales will begin to skyrocket, especially if they work it right. They really have to work it right. And just, and, and keep, keep, keep their, uh, eye on the ball here. Um, I, and I, but I think Nicole carro knows it. If she can get to working with the right people in media and get it out there, that’s when, when shit hits the fan and people will turn to their, uh, bodies and making themselves better. And we, we, that the recession of 2008 was absolutely fantastic for CrossFit in,

Mattew Souza (16:30):

Well, I think at this time, people, um, thrive for a community. So if there’s something more than just the workout, they see more value in it. So if I have all my friends go there and I’m very closely tight knit with everybody at my CrossFit affiliate, it’s gonna be much harder for me. I’m valuing that much higher than I am going to have 45 and doing a bunch of weird, you know, quarter squats and stuff like that. With a bunch of people that I don’t really talk to that much and then just kind of show up for an hour and leave. So I think that’s the biggest differentiator between these franchises also too, when you’re speaking about valuation, a lot of times, uh, businesses like that will start to just go after capital that just go after a bunch of money. And so it gets hyped up a bunch.

Mattew Souza (17:10):

And then when that doesn’t materialize, it crashes really hard, kind of like we saw with Peloton people overvalued it because they said, this is it. Everybody’s working out at home. It’s gonna last for free forever. So all this money came into Peloton. All these investors came into Peloton and then once that started to decline, they said, oh wait, this isn’t gonna last, that’s all poor money out. Then you see a cascade effect as it just continues to plummet. And I think that’s just what we’re seeing. But to se on’s 200 one, CrossFit hits the, uh, internet right after the.com bus 2008, 2009, CrossFit affiliate ship skyrockets right after the market crash. And so if H

Sevan Matossian (17:47):

Super low barrier to entry, uh, super positive, super upbeat people who aren’t victims, people who wanna better themselves, people who get high off of the fucking dopamine, Russia work, it’s just, it’s a good place to be. And you can justify being broke while running across the gym, cuz you’re doing God’s work. You have the cure for the world’s most vex vaccine problem. And you’re part of the community like Jesus said, so the CrossFit can really be recession proof, but, um, but the brunt of it will, a lot of the brunt will fall on the affiliates. I mean, dude, let’s face it from 2000 to 18 to 20, um, uh, by getting rid of the media team CrossFit HQ. And I was part of that, this team, I, I ain’t gonna hide from it. We fucking bent the affiliates over then from 2000 to 2022, they stuck an apple in your mouth and fucking prolapsed Uranus by bringing Rosa on and firing Dave Castro.

Sevan Matossian (18:40):

So first the firing Greg in, in that dip shit CEO, who was cheating on his wife and with another lady who was there was cheating on his, on her husband. They, they fired the media team that was affiliates getting bent over 2020, 22 Rosa and, and the venture Berkshire, knuckleheads, prolapsed, your anus. And now you guys are just kind of sitting there with your fucking intestines, hanging outta your asshole. And you’re just wondering what’s gonna happen next. And, and that that’s anus col whatever. I just, I just like the prolapse that’s when the shit gets turned inside out, right. I’ve never seen one, but it’s

Guest Speaker 2 (19:13):

Like, yeah, it’s does cross, like when someone signs up to become an affiliate, obviously land costs are different rent costs for each else across the world is very, that’s a variable cost. You can’t control. But the CrossFit provides a potential affiliate, the, uh, mathematical formula, like how many people they need the estimated cost to start up the gym. So they kinda see where they’re gonna be at when they start, when they’re gonna open up the gym.

Mattew Souza (19:37):

No. And that’s the best part about it. Alls you’re paying for is a licensing fee. They’re not gonna tell you what to do that is up to you and how you wanna run it. Plus two, you see affiliates all over. I could open an affiliated in my garage, so what’s gonna be the economics on that, right? It’s gonna differ from place to place.

Sevan Matossian (19:51):

They do give you a book. They, they do have this book that I, I, the 20 affiliates who’ve told me about it have said it’s a complete sham in a pile of shit. I’ve only started looking at it. It’s called the affiliate playbook. Um, it’s some sort of tool that the affiliates are supposed to use. Uh, but what’s funny is in there, the first thing that I opened it and I saw is a quote from Eric Rosa, a a dude who bought the, the company in a, uh, as kind of like a midlife crisis, temper tantrum. And, uh, and, and he’s giving business advice on a, on how to run a gym. I could just go on forever about that, but it’s, it’s just, I think it’s a very noble profession. If you get into CrossFit extremely noble, like basically what you, you are doing God’s work. You’re you’re, it is really what Greg Glassman said, it’s lifeboats. And if you can figure out how to pull it off, you should do it and we’re gonna do this affiliate series. And I think it’s gonna be huge. And it’s give people a lot of, uh, good help and advice. But I think it’s gonna also expose, um, some things that aren’t so, so, uh, pretty like, like it’s like, it’s a lot of hard work, but maybe you shouldn’t be doing anything in life unless it is hard work. So,

Guest Speaker 2 (21:00):

Um, no, no, it’s great stuff. And I, I really enjoy it. So thanks for that guys

Sevan Matossian (21:04):

Taking your L one though, you won’t regret it. You don’t need to have to open a gym if you have kids and you haven’t taken your L one you’re you’re, you’re neglecting your kids. I think it’s tantamount to not teach teaching your kids. How to swim. Two thirds of this planet is water. You have kids teach them how to swim, inoculate them from drowning, go to your L one, get that information. Start moving every day in front of your kids. Get that nutrition advice from them. Learn about the culture that they disseminate there, which is huge. You won’t get it online or anything else take that. Oh one. And then you, you know, if you decide to open up a gym later or, but, but either way you can’t go wrong with your oh one it’s it’s you will save someone. If you take your L one, you’ll probably end up saving someone’s life and not know it. I can’t, I promise you on accident, you will save someone’s life. You will add 15 was looking you 15 years.

Guest Speaker 2 (21:50):

You my province. I see one coming up in September. So I may have to, I have, I’ve been working on for years, but I’ve never been a full on crossroad guy. Do I like I take, I take, uh, nuggets of concepts. Like I really like the 21 15 9 concept and I build it into my routine, but

Sevan Matossian (22:06):


Mattew Souza (22:08):


Guest Speaker 2 (22:09):

Thank calculator. Bye.

Mattew Souza (22:11):

The other thing too, I received a couple comments there in people in who were saying like, um, oh, it’s it’s most cost gyms are unprofitable and stuff like that. And that’s just the cost of the low buried entry, because most of the people that are getting into business, and I learned this the hard way. If you could talk to a lot of affiliate owners that have been around a long time, owning a job and owning a business, I’m getting an echo

Guest Speaker 2 (22:32):


Sevan Matossian (22:32):

Mute your YouTube before I mute your ass. Thank you.

Mattew Souza (22:35):

And owning a automatic hang up.

Guest Speaker 2 (22:38):


Mattew Souza (22:40):

Get your shit together. But the difference between owning a job and owning a business is very vast. And most of the trainers that get into this business, they do it like seven head out of the love of just coming in and helping people. And what ends up happening is they end up owning a job, not a business. And those two, those are two very different things.

Sevan Matossian (22:58):

Uh, Craig white says L one is way overrated. Hey man, I bet you, I have added, uh, a million years to people’s lives because of the L one, because what I on there and what I was able to share. So if you think that’s overrated, I, I, I, I I’m, I’m open to it, but I don’t. And here’s

Mattew Souza (23:15):

This Craig burden of proof is on you. Show us something better. My friend, show us something better for your cost of money. That’ll give you that much

Sevan Matossian (23:21):

ROI on

Mattew Souza (23:21):

Your health of those around you. Don’t come at me with the L one. That’s my you’re triggering me. Craig. You’re triggering me.

Sevan Matossian (23:27):

Bill Mr. Kid. Hi, honor. To speak to you.

Guest Speaker 2 (23:32):

Hey honor. Are you good? How are you? Yeah. Good to hear from you here to talk about abortion. You wanted something, not CrossFit, so <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (23:40):

Oh my goodness. Okay. What do you got, do I have to ask you a question or are you gonna tell me something?

Guest Speaker 2 (23:45):

I I’ll throw something at you at you and you can tell me what you think. Okay. But I think you’re, I think you understand that abortion is the deliberate ending of an innocent human life. Okay. But I think, I think what we’re, what, what you and I perhaps disagree is on the nature of law.

Sevan Matossian (24:05):


Guest Speaker 2 (24:05):

In our country. Okay. Is if, if laws do not have moral integrity, then there is no reason to follow them. Then they are just applications of political power

Mattew Souza (24:20):

Who establishes the morality, who if, who establishes the morality in law. Okay. So God, God establishes the morality and who speaks God’s word. And how does that definition go clear across everybody? Because you’re, God is different than my God is different than seven’s. God is different than the God from the people across the country. So how do we first define God and the morality?

Guest Speaker 2 (24:43):

We may, we may have different conceptions of God, but there is one there’s one, but let’s, let’s just step back. It is about, you gotta define it law.

Mattew Souza (24:54):

You gotta define

Guest Speaker 2 (24:54):

It. Yeah. So I’m getting there, I’m getting there. So if, if we understand the world to be created, if we understand every human being to be a manifestation of, of God’s creation, something that he saw as good, then it is incumbent on us as people, both individual and collectively to recognize the dignity in every human person. And so laws should be oriented to that end of every human person.

Sevan Matossian (25:26):

Will, did you hear that show at Jay? Did you hear that show with Jay Nez that we had on Jay Nera and he, and he talked about something called objective morality and I go what’s that? And he said, objective morality, for example, is like, you don’t wanna be killed. And so you, and so therefore you shouldn’t kill and that’s objective morality. And I was like, oh, I fucking, really like that. I think that’s kind of what you’re saying too, right?

Guest Speaker 2 (25:50):

Oh, I think so. I mean, I think you, all four of us can, can agree that there are, there is objectively good and evil things in the world, or else I go back to my original point. It is,

Sevan Matossian (26:02):

Hey, sorry. Sorry. Will sorry. Well, sorry. Sorry. I’m so sorry, dude.

Mattew Souza (26:08):

Get ’em step

Sevan Matossian (26:09):

Ju comes in hot with saying, because we can’t agree on religion. We should just keep telling babies. He like, dude, he didn’t even like, that’s not even close to what he said. <laugh> what do you call it? One class of your head like Floyd 19 motherfucker. Like what’s that mean? Like, dude, come on Judah. Come on. Okay, go ahead. Will go on. Sorry.

Guest Speaker 2 (26:27):

I, I, I mean, frankly, I, I, I don’t, I don’t think Susan meant that. No, but I think that’s the, that’s the logical conclusion. <laugh> that’s the logical conclusion.

Sevan Matossian (26:37):

Oh, I don’t think so. He’s just a, he was asking questions for definition. You gotta

Mattew Souza (26:42):

Define man. That’s what I’m saying. When you say to the arbitrary, like, like God defines morality. There’s the, the it’s not defined in a sense that we could govern a whole entire society by because the definition of God and morality differs, I mean go to certain religions as they’ve evolved over the years. And a few years ago, if you thought one way they would, they would be stoning. You bearing you in the ground and throwing rocks at your head. And years later, that changes. Do you understand? So

Guest Speaker 2 (27:10):

I’d turn the, I’d turn the question back on you. How, how to, how should we ground our concept of morality? If it is not a, a natural understanding of God’s creation, what should we use? Hey,

Sevan Matossian (27:26):

Will do people don’t even want morality? I, I mean, I like your, I like what you’re saying, but I’m concerned that we’re we’re with caveman, that they don’t even see the value of morality anymore. Like they don’t like, oh, I agree with you. Or honor or code or, I mean, these are people who, um, who are defen. People are defending their weakness. There’s people out there saying that as long as you’re happy, it’s okay to be 300 pounds overweight. No, it’s okay to be 300, 300 pounds overweight because you’re a, um, you’re a, you have autonomy, but, but they’re lying to themselves that there’s happiness. There, there is not, we know that

Guest Speaker 2 (28:02):

Well, and that, and that’s why I don’t think autonomy or freedom are goods in of themselves. The ability to do whatever you want is not good.

Sevan Matossian (28:12):

And, and that, and that exact thing that you just said is why this country’s so great because they’re because of people like you. And that’s the thing that people don’t understand. We don’t, we don’t. So when people say the United States isn’t free, thank God. It’s not free because if it were completely free. And, and by that, by that, by that, I mean, even if like, like, like you heard Elizabeth Warren say the majority of people, the majority of people in this country want abortion to be legal. The Supreme court like that. That’s not what this country’s built on this country. If the majority of people wanted slavery, you still can’t put it into effect because it’s not moral. It’s what will is saying. It’s not fucking moral this country. We can’t vote in slavery. That’s fucking insanity. And our founders were so fucking smart. And, and this is what I’m defending you little here will, are explaining because they fucking believed in this God moral code that Will’s talking about. And a bunch of other crazy people believe which I’m okay.

Mattew Souza (29:13):

<laugh> yeah. And I don’t actually disagree. Disagree with your premise at all. Will I don’t disagree with your premise at all. I actually agree with it. But the thing is, is that in order for that, that argument to be really true and you’re asking like, well then what is it everything’s created? No, we start with the truth. And we start with really defining words and then operating off those definitions. So we’re all in the same sheet of music. So that’s all, it was just a challenge on that. Yeah. Not a challenge on your premise. I actually agree overall with your premise, but we have to first really accurately define that if we’re gonna govern society by it. So we’re all on the same sheet of music.

Sevan Matossian (29:43):

I agree. Cuz most people who believe in God are fucking morons, but, but I’m also okay with that too. I’m I’m like okay. With, I, I don’t mind sharing the world with morons mm-hmm <affirmative> especially, especially if they’re imaginary, God’s a good one. Fuck. And he’s keeping ’em in check.

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