#512 – The Games Are Changing & Lazar Dukic

Taylor Self (00:00):

I was like, fuck it. This

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Will be good. Bam. We’re live. I like the, uh, Topo, Topo, Topo, Chico, and the min Agua. Yeah. That’s that’s good. That’s

Taylor Self (00:10):


Mattew Souza (00:10):

Canto. Sewer of the sparkling waters

Sevan Matossian (00:15):

I’m comes from a well and dirty well in Baja from Baja, California, min AUA. I dunno if that’s true.

Taylor Self (00:24):

I’m sitting on a Bosu ball right now.

Sevan Matossian (00:26):

That’s what she said.

Mattew Souza (00:28):


Sevan Matossian (00:30):

Is it now? Eight 30? What the fuck are we doing here? Okay. 5:30 PM. Pacific standard time. Jr. Howell.

JR Howell (00:39):


Sevan Matossian (00:40):

Taylor, the thumb self Matthew STUA and me the C E O. Uh, this is our, is this our third programming show?

Taylor Self (00:52):


Sevan Matossian (00:53):

Third programming show. And thi this one’s gonna be a little more broad than just promming I guess it fits in the programming. We’ll be talking about programmers, uh, about Adrian Bosman today. We’ll be talking about people who judge programming a little movement around in the judging. Basically just all this shit I stole from Lauren Al’s interview with, uh, Adrian. Did you guys see that?

Taylor Self (01:15):

Yeah, it’s great. Let’s just, let’s switch it up a little bit and

Sevan Matossian (01:19):

We’ll just recap it. This is what it, you heard of that news from someone with ovaries. Now you’re gonna hear it from someone with testicles

Taylor Self (01:26):


Sevan Matossian (01:27):

Who stole it from the person with ovaries

Mattew Souza (01:29):


Sevan Matossian (01:30):

Right? Yeah. Uh, we know some stuff. Um, do you guys want me to go over some of the stuff we know? And then you guys tell me what I’m missing or do you guys wanna talk about what we know about the 2022 CrossFit games? The test, the crown, the fittest man and woman on the planet and some other shit adaptive in kids and teams.

JR Howell (01:50):

You go first.

Sevan Matossian (01:51):

Okay. Uh, we know that the programmer who, uh, this is his first year programming, Adrian Bosman, and, but also one of the most senior people working at CrossFitting today in terms of his longevity and knowledge and, and culture, which is that, that part’s really important is Adrian Bosman. And we know he is on the ground now in Madison. Uh, we’ve seen him already start doing interviews from there. Uh, uh, there he is. Yep. Uh, we know that, uh, that there’s gonna be bikes for the teams and that, that has been confirmed. And that in his interview with, uh, Lauren KLE, uh, he said that he could not confirm more deny that individuals will be doing them. Okay. So I’ll stop there. They’re doing them, right. Individuals are doing, they’re not gonna go through the trouble of getting all these bikes and then not have the individuals doing right.

Mattew Souza (02:36):

Yeah, for sure.

JR Howell (02:38):

Do you think they’re gonna be, so that means you think that they’re not gonna road bike at all?

Sevan Matossian (02:44):

No. No. I think they are gonna bike. That’s what I’m saying. Sorry, the, yeah, I think, I think the individuals are going to bike,

Taylor Self (02:50):

But in a unicycle,

JR Howell (02:51):

These look like mountain bikes. So do you think they’re gonna, they’re gonna have two different types of bicycles or do you think this is the only actual bike they’ll be using?

Sevan Matossian (03:00):

I think this is it. That’s the bike, the only bike, that’s it. And, and I, and I think that, um, I think that, uh, just because they’re mountain bikes, I, I don’t think that that means it’s not going to be on the road.

JR Howell (03:16):

Yeah. I think unless they brought back something like a cycle cyclo cross, it would be tough to go out to any trail that is gonna be wide enough to let people pass.

Taylor Self (03:26):


Sevan Matossian (03:27):

And if they are gonna do teams, I’m guessing it has to be a significant ride, meaning 20 minutes or more,

Taylor Self (03:41):

I’d be interested to see what it relay would look like on the bikes. I also think, you know, you look 2020, and they had the, uh, the sprint leg list with the bicycle. So I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw something like that this year with the, with the mountain bikes. Not, no,

Sevan Matossian (03:54):

You nailed it. You’re right. I’m a fucking idiot. I was picturing them riding in a pack together. They would never allow them to do that. That would be just pure. That would be madness. You’re right. It is a relay.

Taylor Self (04:06):

Yeah. For, for, unless they had a four seer bike, four people in their own little four group of, of bikers trying to yeah. They would fuck each other up.

Sevan Matossian (04:18):

Did you see that? Did you see the bike on the, um, that will brands that are made for the games on the, on the seven on podcast? Instagram? No. Have you seen that? This is actually a brilliant idea. This actually, actually this actually could work. Wow. I thought that was completely absurd. But after listening to Taylor speak, I’m thinking that I’m thinking that it might not be so absurd muted. He had to mute it. So she didn’t hear any FBOs

Taylor Self (04:45):

<laugh> well, she could still hear

Sevan Matossian (04:47):

Us. What about that?

Taylor Self (04:49):


Sevan Matossian (04:50):

What about that thing right there?

Taylor Self (04:53):

Yeah. They’re gonna pedal with their feet, but they’re not gonna pedal. They’re gonna like stick their feet through the floorboard and propel themselves on the floor. Fred Flinstone style,

Sevan Matossian (05:01):

Like, like the Flinstones. Okay. Uh, what do you think, uh, Jr. I think re I think, uh, Taylor nailed it. It’s a relay, right? They’re not gonna let these knuckleheads, they’re not gonna have these knuckleheads riding like a pack together of four, unless they want people to have accidents. Unless that’s the thing, this year’s the, the, the blooper reel.

JR Howell (05:20):

No, I agree. A hundred percent. I think if they ever try to do anything tandem, it would be like real water rowing. But I really, I really don’t think, I really don’t think that

Sevan Matossian (05:30):

<laugh> get back kid.

JR Howell (05:33):

I really don’t know that they’ll ever even do that. Like on the water rowing with four people. I mean, they could, but I think that there’s a way better chance of that than them doing anything on a tandem bike. I think relays for sure. What’s gonna happen.

Sevan Matossian (05:48):

I just wanna say, go ahead.

Taylor Self (05:50):

Real, real quick. You mentioned the tandem rowing or the, the in water rowing. I always like thought it would be cool if, and I’m sure that this is out with Dave, not programming, but if they did like a, a bud style inflatable boat, small event where the teams had to carry a boat and paddle a boat and carry it on their heads and just crush them, that’d be fucking amazing.

Sevan Matossian (06:13):

Yeah. That would be amazing. I could, I could see it still happening, although we’ll get to that in a minute. Okay. So breaking news here, you heard it first. We have insight. We’ve talked to the right people. The bike event is a relay. There you go. Now you <laugh>. Um, Adrian also said this and, and I, and I, maybe it was just me who misunderstood. But when they said that there was an event that everyone was gonna do, I was conflating that I was thinking that event would do be with some sort of new piece of equipment. But after hearing Adrian talk today, it’s not definitive, but I think that’s two different events because he said, Hey, there is an event that everyone’s gonna do, but there’s also an event where the masters get to touch the new equipment. And the way he said it today made me think, oh, shit, these are two different events.

Taylor Self (06:55):

Yeah. I don’t think the event that everyone’s gonna be able to do is, is the event with new equipment. Because in the show with coffee, pods and wads, Peter, he mentioned that everyone would be able to do that workout. Okay. Like that Peter at home would potentially be able to do that workout.

Sevan Matossian (07:09):

Oh, right. Wow. Well, after they go to rogue and buy the equipment,

Taylor Self (07:13):

<laugh> maybe go buy the pig.

Sevan Matossian (07:15):

Yeah. After they buy the yo-yo,

Taylor Self (07:19):

You can’t buy a pig. I actually reached out to rogue and they told me to go fuck myself.

Sevan Matossian (07:22):

Yeah. They said, can’t afford the shipping.

Taylor Self (07:25):


Sevan Matossian (07:27):

Um, we know that Saturday is the big lift day. Uh, he reconfirmed that. Um, it sounds like on, uh, Lauren coil’s, uh, podcast.

JR Howell (07:34):

They’re gonna lift something big. They’re gonna lift something big, but I would not be surprised if it’s not a barbell.

Taylor Self (07:41):

What would it be?

JR Howell (07:43):

I think, I think they’re making such a big deal out of that. And he even said, oh, did you guys see that video? Did you watch it? Cool. That’s cool. Like almost just like a,

Taylor Self (07:52):

Oh, I’m trying to throw us off the set.

JR Howell (07:53):

We we’ve done a platform lift the past two years.

Sevan Matossian (07:56):

Hey dude. Adrian loves strongman. Shit. Shit.

JR Howell (07:59):

Are we really gonna do that again? I mean, can’t you see something like, think about what they did at rogue. That was a really big fan favorite when

Sevan Matossian (08:07):

They, when they did

JR Howell (08:09):

50 load. So what if they get a one 50, a 200, a two 50 and a 300 pound sandbag and all those pedestals that would look sick in the Coliseum. That’s the event. That’s gonna cut athletes too. If they did like a, in the past snatch speed ladder, clean speed, ladder clean and jerk speed ladder. What if they did a stone load speed ladder?

Taylor Self (08:33):


Sevan Matossian (08:34):

I, I, I like it. And I know Adrian love strongman stuff. Yep. That’s what I was thinking too. Gabe from paper street, coffee, P a P E R S T C O F F E e.com. Discount code seven on 10% off.

JR Howell (08:51):

And if you guys can pull up the rogue site, they have rubber coded Atlas stones that you can purchase. So it’s a, it’s a cast, like it’s like a concrete stone, but then covering it is like a case of rubber. So they’re not dals they’re, they’re more formed like a D like a, yeah, but they’re just more, no

Sevan Matossian (09:11):


Taylor Self (09:12):

So you think, so you think this is the new equipment that they’re touching? Oh.

Mattew Souza (09:18):

Or that log?

Taylor Self (09:19):

Wow. I think the big lift is, I think the big lift is still a barbell. I just think it’s something that we haven’t seen in a while.

JR Howell (09:26):

The ladder thruster ladder, maybe.

Taylor Self (09:28):

No, I think I really, I, I would not be surprised if we saw the overhead squat come back. Gosh, that was, that’s a cool event.

Sevan Matossian (09:36):

Mm. Uh, max overhead squat.

Taylor Self (09:38):

Yeah. And they’ve done it once at 2014 games. And it’s been so 7, 7, 8 years since that’s been done. And then they’ve done the total twice. They’ve.

Sevan Matossian (09:48):

How about this, max? How about this? I think pit Malone tied Annie Thor’s daughter for the win in that workout. Am I right? No, maybe akin. Wally. Damn. I thought I was gonna show off there. I dunno what I’m talking about. I dunno what I’m talking about.

Taylor Self (10:01):

I know, I know rich and Matt, when the overheads fall went back and forth

Sevan Matossian (10:05):

Rich and Hacken Brook, what’d you? What did you say,

Taylor Self (10:07):

Tommy Hacken Brook.

Sevan Matossian (10:09):

Uh, what did you say Jr? I

JR Howell (10:10):

Think Carl might’ve won that

Sevan Matossian (10:13):

2014. Uh, maybe you’re right. Maybe you’re right. Oh,

Mattew Souza (10:15):

Let’s see. Let’s see.

Sevan Matossian (10:17):

Um, uh, go back to those stones. This is totally off subject. Why would I, why would I buy 150 pound that and not 150 pound de ball there. There’s so similar. And yet the Dal is so much more forgiving.

Taylor Self (10:34):

Well, if you’re training for strong, man, you don’t ever use a D ball. You use an ATLA stone. So that would make sense. And I guess maybe it would be softer on whatever surface you’re lifting it on or like on your

JR Howell (10:46):

Arms. Cause those concrete stones beat up their forearms. So I don’t know. Mm-hmm

Taylor Self (10:49):

<affirmative> yeah, but

Sevan Matossian (10:51):

Interesting. Okay. Look, they got a 450 pound one.

Taylor Self (10:54):

Holy fuck.

Sevan Matossian (10:56):

You hate you. Hate yourself. If you buy that,

Taylor Self (10:59):

That’s crazy. You

Mattew Souza (11:01):

1200, well spent

Taylor Self (11:04):

1200 well spent.

Sevan Matossian (11:06):

Hey, at that point that thing’s kind of like an art piece.

Taylor Self (11:10):


Mattew Souza (11:11):

It’s just chilling there. It’s like, yeah.

Taylor Self (11:12):

Maybe you could put like

Mattew Souza (11:13):

Couches around it and make it just a centerpiece of like a living room or something.

Sevan Matossian (11:17):

Taylor, what’s the dumbest piece of equipment you ever bought?

Taylor Self (11:21):

Uh, I’ve never bought, I don’t have any

Sevan Matossian (11:25):

Dumbest. I don’t have enough money to buy anything dumb. Exactly. I bought

Taylor Self (11:28):

Jr. Stand ramp from, uh, Titan, which is

Sevan Matossian (11:31):

This hooker when I was in Thailand. Cause the thumb. Okay. Well that’s not exactly what I meant, uh, Taylor, but thank you. Um, Jr. What’s the dumbest thing you bought.

JR Howell (11:44):

I mean, when I use it, probably a versa climber

Sevan Matossian (11:47):

<laugh> oh dude,

Taylor Self (11:48):

I love that thing though. It’s so cool.

Sevan Matossian (11:49):

So you have, it really is. Isn’t that why? I, I thought those were like, you know, fantastic, uh, metabolic conditioning tools.

JR Howell (11:57):

They are. I think it’s the hardest machine you can do, but it’s just miserable after like five minutes.

Taylor Self (12:02):

He’s also got a concept, one rower it’s from like the fucking fifties.

Sevan Matossian (12:06):

Wow. Is that really what it’s called a concept one? No. Is it you call it? Oh, cause he has an old concept too. And he won’t buy a new

Taylor Self (12:13):

One. It’s like the wooden it’s like the wooden handle with the open fan. It’s crazy.

Sevan Matossian (12:18):

No fucking prototype. Hey, what do you mean after five minutes after 30 seconds? That thing is heinous.

JR Howell (12:24):

It’s nasty. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (12:26):

Uh, it, and then, uh, so, so for me, the dumbest piece equipment I bought is I bought, I bought like 130 pound throw dummy.

Taylor Self (12:35):

Oh wow. That’s fucking cool.

Sevan Matossian (12:37):

But it’s it was stupid <laugh> it was it’s like

Taylor Self (12:40):

How much did it cost?

Sevan Matossian (12:42):

I don’t remember too much.

Taylor Self (12:43):

I wanted to bring back rescue Randy.

Sevan Matossian (12:45):

It was like probably 300 bucks for the doll and, and 800 bucks for shipping. It was fucking idiot and I never used it. I never, it was just too too much for me. I was think too much of a pussy. So what’s the dumbest piece of equipment you bought?

Mattew Souza (12:58):

Prob probably the ATLA stone molds. And I made a bunch of ’em and I misjudged the weight. So it started out like one 15 and went up and then realized that nobody in the gym can actually lift that.

Taylor Self (13:07):


Sevan Matossian (13:07):


Mattew Souza (13:08):

Used the ones, our forearms to party. Good. Every

Taylor Self (13:11):

Good CrossFit gym owner has got, has got a set of those.

Mattew Souza (13:14):

Yeah. Now they’re just rolled to the back corner of the gym. Oh,

Taylor Self (13:17):

We need these.

Sevan Matossian (13:18):

Oh, so you still have the stones?

Mattew Souza (13:20):

Yeah, we’ve sold. We sold some of ’em during the pandemic cuz people were buying whatever the hell gym equipment wise. So we sold a couple of ’em but now we have a huge one just sitting there still.

Sevan Matossian (13:30):

Oh, I should have thought about that too. Someone’s saying, uh, it was a sex doll. I should have that. Would’ve been more uh, oh, that’s a great question. Was it male or female? Uh, mine was uh, uh, gender fluid. My dummy mine. Mine. Mine. Was, it looked more like a girl though. It definitely no cock and no titties, but what did I think it was gender fluid?

Taylor Self (13:51):

No, no cock and no titties.

Sevan Matossian (13:54):


Taylor Self (13:55):


Sevan Matossian (13:55):

Uh, okay.

Taylor Self (13:57):

Waste the money for sure.

Sevan Matossian (13:59):

Um, Saturday’s big lift day. Uh, we, we, we thinking let’s not be, uh, naive and think it’s gonna be a barbell coaches and athletes will reevaluate after this. Oh, okay. So here’s something he said. Yeah.

Taylor Self (14:10):

That’s pretty

Sevan Matossian (14:11):

Adrian. Adrian said coaches and athletes. I’m gonna need you to look up a word here for me. Uh, Susan, a second coaches and athletes will reevaluate after this game on what they put as a primacy or what they put primacy on coaches and athletes will reevaluate after this game on what they put primacy on the word is primacy. And uh, I’m like, wow. Okay. Okay. I mean that, that’s like, that’s a, that’s a strong statement.

Taylor Self (14:40):


Sevan Matossian (14:40):

Strong. That’s very strong. So, well, let me ask you this. What do you think they put primacy on now? Like, like in the broadest sense, conditioning and strength?

Taylor Self (14:50):

I would say strength, strength. Probably a base of strength first.

Sevan Matossian (14:53):


JR Howell (14:54):

Yeah. External load strength.

Sevan Matossian (14:57):

Yeah. Okay. Uh, that’s

Taylor Self (14:59):

A good distinction.

Sevan Matossian (15:00):

External, uh,

Taylor Self (15:02):

Weightlifting, weightlifting strength

Sevan Matossian (15:04):

As opposed to

Taylor Self (15:05):

Gymnastic strength. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (15:06):

Body lifting strength, uh, the primacy, the fact of being primary. Well, no shit. The fact of being here’s what we want preeminent or more important. Okay. I mean that’s uh, and uh, and here on top of that, I wanna say this and this made me think of something that Jr said. I don’t know if you were giving advice to Adrian, but the one thing you said is, is like, Hey, the best thing for Adrian, I think correct me. I’m okay. Being corrected here Jr. Is, um, I don’t think the one thing Adrian shouldn’t do is try to be Dave. He should be himself, but Adrian said this I’m not Dave. And some people want me to be Dave. I think that’s the opposite of what. Oh. And then I wrote, I think that’s the opposite of what Jr said. Jr. You agree with Adrian? Adrian’s saying I’m not, I’m not Dave. And some people want me to be Dave and you, you, your advice to Adrian, I think. Or maybe it wasn’t advice was, Hey, he should be himself. Like, don’t try to be Dave. Was that you said that in one of the shows?

JR Howell (16:08):

No, it wasn’t me. That said anything about,

Sevan Matossian (16:10):

Oh, oh, alright. Well I fucked that up. I thought you said, oh, here is. I thought the exact thing you said is the one thing BOJ shouldn’t do is try to be Dave. No.

JR Howell (16:17):

Um, yeah, I think that he’s obviously really sure and confident of himself, but I think that he will program the first year without training wheels, without worrying about taking risk. And he will put his stamp on his style this year.

Sevan Matossian (16:33):

I want everyone to know Jr. Has the finest computer and the finest microphones and the ability to have the finest audio and yet not the ability to set it

Mattew Souza (16:42):

Up. We, we were missing apart. I tried to help earlier. It’ll be squared away soon. It’ll yeah.

Sevan Matossian (16:47):

Hey, can you just have it in there? So you look cool.

Mattew Souza (16:49):

Yeah. It’s gonna suggest that. Just have it up. It’ll be fixed next

Taylor Self (16:55):

Time you gotta hold it. Like

Sevan Matossian (16:57):

Yes. Thank you. Um, do you have any thoughts on that Taylor on, on, on any thoughts on, um, people who are going to try to compare him to Dave? I mean, and I don’t blame him. I’m not hating on those people who do it, but do you have any thoughts on it?

Taylor Self (17:11):

I, I think his, I think the result of the games and how people perceive the games, there will always be comparison between how well he pulls it off and the perception and that people have on how well Davis pulled it off. So I think that comparison is inevitable. I think in terms of programming, he should for sure. I mean, it’s human nature to bias towards your own, you know, tendencies. So I, I, and of course he’s got a team of people that’s keeping him from doing that in a stupid way, but it will look different and I think it should look different and he does. Yeah. Just like he says, I think the people that want him to be Dave or want to stay just like Dave, you know, are, it’s just not how the world works. It’s gonna look different, but that doesn’t mean it’s gonna be bad.

Taylor Self (17:57):

Right. And I think it’s interesting that he, I just wanted to go back to that statement about coaches and athletes, reevaluating, what they, uh, put primacy on or something along those lines. I think it’s, you look in the history of human needs or the hierarchy of human needs and being able to move your body in space probably comes first before being able to move an external load around your body. Um, and that’s interesting that a lot of athletes and coaches don’t train that way where the primary thing that they focus on is being able to move your body through space rather than moving an external load around your body. That’s interesting. Um,

Sevan Matossian (18:39):

Can we see the pyramid? Uh, wow. Ricardo Monto bond. Dang.

Taylor Self (18:44):

Oh shit.

Sevan Matossian (18:45):

Homeboy. You’re not

Taylor Self (18:45):

Getting to that Jr. You’re not gonna fucking dime that.

Sevan Matossian (18:48):

Oh, PMI premium services. I, I promise you, I will give Jr. A $20 worth of coaching to help him set up. Uh, he be, I will try. I’ll give him a discount. Holy

Taylor Self (18:59):


JR Howell (19:00):

Dude. Soon a conduct me my setup. My setup is a hundred percent right now. I just don’t have a USBC to USB converter from.

Sevan Matossian (19:10):

Wow. Wow. He had that written down. I saw like read some notes. He’s like USB,

Taylor Self (19:16):

Amazon link. He’s good.

Sevan Matossian (19:18):


Taylor Self (19:19):

That was good.

Sevan Matossian (19:20):

Uh, um, okay. Um, uh, thank you. Uh, PMI premium services. Uh, so, but, but it, it is a it’s, it’s a really strong state. It is a really strong statement. It’s the first thing that it’s the first, I don’t think we’ve seen any signature. Any, any signature, anything this strong up until this point? Not in the open, not in the quarter finals, not in the semi.

JR Howell (19:43):

Uh, I think, I think, I think a couple quotes on Chase’s podcast previewing, the last chance qualifier saying things like, do I know where the CrossFit athlete is strong? Yes. Do I know where they’re probably less diligent? Yes. And they’ll have to contend with that this year at the games and there will be some bruised egos along the way.

Taylor Self (20:04):

That’s yeah. That’s a very, that’s pretty strong.

Sevan Matossian (20:06):

That’s pretty. I think, I think it’s strong. I think it’s a clue to this bigger picture. Oh, and this guy, this guy. Yeah. You guys need to get into a fucking bidding war. Get on premium services. <laugh>

Taylor Self (20:18):

You have to by said, fuck that guy.

Sevan Matossian (20:21):

Louis limo also on fantasy island with Ricardo Monto bond. You guys are the best. I, I seriously mean it. Thank you. It’s a fucking way. Cool. You guys, um, that’s related to this, right? But now he’s there at the games, right? He’s landed. And he’s, he’s like, this is some pretty cock sure. Shit. Like, Hey, everything. He, this is like, everything has changed primacy. The preeminent thing that people train after this games is going to need to be reevaluated.

JR Howell (20:52):

Yeah. I mean talk about like changing the game or, you know, opening doors to what’s really possible in the future. If we get programming, like some people think we’re gonna get, if he’s gonna come out and say, Hey, the way you’ve all been training the last however many years is wrong and this is the way you need to be training. This is what you need to be focusing

Sevan Matossian (21:10):

On. Not wrong, but maybe a miss missing. He’s gonna expose a hole.

JR Howell (21:14):

I think so. Yeah.

Taylor Self (21:15):

A hole. Well, I think you look at the way

Sevan Matossian (21:18):

That not wrong though, Jr. Right? Sorry. Taylor, not wrong. Just like not wrong. Hey, you haven’t been swimming.

Taylor Self (21:22):

Yeah. Not wrong at all. That’s what I was, I was gonna elaborate on is you look at the way the games have been programmed for the past, you know, five years. And there’s only so much evolution. You can go in one direction and he’s upholding the unknown and unknowable by potentially introducing a new direction. That athletes, again, aren’t as diligent. And, and I think that’s great and it’s what’s needed for the sport to evolve

Sevan Matossian (21:43):

And it makes, and it makes us all excited. Right? The haters are like, I can’t wait to tear this fucker up. And the, and the fans are like, oh, this is gonna be great. I can’t wait to see these fuckers fall on their face. Yeah. Oh, Mr. Olson, you were the man some money for the best coverage of the games. I, uh, uh, someone ask us, uh, uh, uh, uh, another, a group of, uh, reporters that runs a, um, a, uh, reporting of the CrossFit games. Another, uh, I dunno what you call it media. Another media team ask Susan today. So what should we write about you guys is what you’re gonna do for the games and just tell ’em, we’re gonna do the best coverage that’s out there for the games, all the good shit’s gonna be right here. Uh, and thank you. That’s crazy.

Sevan Matossian (22:26):

Generous. Okay. Um, and, and, and if we’re not gonna beat around the Bush, it’s, it’s gymnastics, right? He’s going to, I think you guys said it in the other show, he’s going to, our weightlifters are as close to the world’s best weightlifters as maybe they’re gonna get in the big chunks. Now it’s gonna move more slowly. Our, our, what, our, um, what, what’s the other one? Uh, our metabolic capacity, our running, our swimming, those things we’ve been working on for years, we’re getting closer to those type of modalities. And now it’s time for us to get closer to gymnasts, Olympic gymnasts, who we’re really far from, right?

JR Howell (23:00):

Yeah. Like this quote in the morning, Chalkup really goes along with one of the other quotes from that interview with chase, which was if I had advice for any aspiring games athlete or their coach. So this is him talking to both again, I would look at the domain where the gap between the best in the world and that specific field and the best of the world in CrossFit, look for the look for the domain where there’s the biggest gap. That’s where you should be focusing. And this is right along those lines. So he is restating it again.

Taylor Self (23:29):

And you go back to the it’s pretty obvious, I think. Yeah. Gymnastics, you have, we have three core domains in CrossFit. M WG, weight lifting, like you said, we’re very close to the top. Mono structural again, we’re pretty close to the top and gymnastics. It’s just not even close.

Sevan Matossian (23:48):

Oh, so

Taylor Self (23:49):

We have, we have people at the semifinal level, still failing legless rope climbs for 10 reps in a 10 minute time domain. Yeah. That is an enormous fucking gap. That’s bad.

Mattew Souza (24:02):

Has there been a shift like this before? Like a, like I know there hasn’t been a claim like this, but have we seen in the past where something’s been introduced that has fundamentally shifted in? What do, like, which ones stick out in your guys’ mind? Like pegboard. There was the dumbbell regional one year things got super heavy one year.

Taylor Self (24:22):

I don’t anything.

JR Howell (24:24):

Yeah. There may have been some trends for like a year, like at a regionals or games, but I think Dave always brought it back and switched it up. Like there was a year, you know, maybe the repeat year of the 21, 15 9 deadlift box jump. And I think you had like the row pistol hang power clean at 2 25. Like almost everything at that. Regional was high power output, pretty heavy. And then the next year it didn’t look like that anymore.

Sevan Matossian (24:50):

Is it my turn?

Taylor Self (24:51):

Yeah. Yeah. Sorry.

Sevan Matossian (24:52):

No, no, no. You, no, no, you guys are great. I tuned out because someone just sent me, uh, something I wanna show you guys. And I was just texting back with cat shear to make sure it was okay. That I show it. This is gonna crack you up. This is off subject, but I think you guys are all gonna love it. This is, uh, from, uh, cat share of the Clydesdale podcast. Am I pronouncing her last name? Right? I guess we’ll find out in a minute. Yeah, she

Taylor Self (25:16):

Should let

Sevan Matossian (25:17):

Know. Um, look at this, look at this. Uh, well, I’m gonna show you some people and you tell me which CrossFit games, uh, I don’t know if though, you can say they’re CrossFit games athlete. You tell me which a, yeah. Tell me which athletes. These are. This is crazy. This is, this is crazy. I can’t even fucking believe this. I’ve never. Okay, here we go. Uh,

Taylor Self (25:42):

Oh shit. James Sprague and ter Magda. Wow. Pre puberty

Speaker 5 (25:51):

S and we, the team boys’ 14, 15 year old

Sevan Matossian (25:54):

Division and

Taylor Self (25:57):

Testosterone is a great thing

Speaker 5 (26:00):

Together. Benefit on each.

Sevan Matossian (26:02):

Can you hear, can you hear, can you hear them? They, what? They’re saying? Someone what?

Taylor Self (26:07):

No, I they’re the 14, 15 year old division.

Sevan Matossian (26:09):

Yeah. And then, and then someone said, who’s better.

Speaker 5 (26:14):

Both have our shirts, you know? Cool. And what you looking

Sevan Matossian (26:16):

Forward to the mic? Whoa. Was James just busting a move right there. What did he just do with his hips in his hands right there. What’s what’s James

Taylor Self (26:22):

Pose pose. You

Speaker 5 (26:24):


Taylor Self (26:26):

James looks like he could be a female with a really short haircut. He was 14 later.

Sevan Matossian (26:36):

God, he’s a cute little girl.

Taylor Self (26:38):

Like with their hair dye black

Sevan Matossian (26:42):


Taylor Self (26:43):

Money, your money. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (26:47):

Holy cow. If you’re 14 or 15

Taylor Self (26:50):

Fucking hilarious.

Sevan Matossian (26:51):

Wow. That is amazing. Thank you. KA Dale podcast. Incredible. Wow.

Taylor Self (26:57):

Wow. It is hilarious. How many athletes went and posted videos of them doing para LT to press the handstand videos? Noah. Ricky you’ll fuck her. Yeah. I have to count. Who else? Yeah, none of ’em tagged. Buckers my idea. I think

JR Howell (27:17):

Someone sent me James, uh, Christian Harris. Uh, yeah, there were a lot, which is, which is also really cool to speak to. I mean, we didn’t get to see videos of them failing over and over if there were yeah. If there was that content, but the fact that people look around and don’t want to feel like they’re behind or being left out and that they’ll maybe try skill like that for the first time. And within a day can do multiple reps is so impressive.

Taylor Self (27:47):


JR Howell (27:48):

Crazy. It may even give more legitimacy to the fact that if they brought something like this out Bo is like, no guys, like people are very capable of stuff like this fast.

Sevan Matossian (28:01):

I, I, didn’t just, I didn’t just flex for Jr. Scratching my armpit. <laugh> now I’m flexing. Jr’s

Taylor Self (28:07):

Flexing on us.

Sevan Matossian (28:09):

Um, so, so most of the names you’re gonna hear today, by the way, it’s a very impressive crew of people. They have working on the games. One of the names I heard, uh, coming out of, uh, Adrian’s mouth and, and these are people who’ve been there a long time. So we’ll keep moving. Uh, with some of the, my notes here, Chuck Carswell is now the head judge for individuals. That’s the first time I’ve heard that Chuck Carswell is replacing Adrian Bosman as the head judge. He, he is now the official no rep guy, no rep.

Taylor Self (28:36):

He’s the shit. Chuck’s a, my, my boss is really close with Chuck. They played on the dolphin together.

Sevan Matossian (28:41):

Uh, Chuck is a very, very special human being. I don’t, I’ve never heard anyone say anything bad about him, but on top of that. Um, but, but he is not like some pushover over overly the top. Nice guy. He’s a, um, do, do you know him Jr. You know, Chuck swell?

JR Howell (28:58):

Uh, yeah. I met him at the games last year.

Sevan Matossian (29:00):

Uh, great dude, uh, taught a thousand fucking L ones who knows, uh, he’s a flow master. And, uh, and for those of who don’t know flow master, that means you’re you’re of all the L one S you’re at the top of the heap. You make sure that the L one is rolling, uh, properly, their special human beings. They basically carry the DNA of CrossFit in them. Uh, and he used to be the head judge for the teams. I’m guessing that being the head judge for individuals has gotta be easier than teams. Teams seems like must be just a shit show. And then, um, Todd Whitman will, uh, take, uh, I think Todd used to do age qualifiers, but now Todd’s, uh, coming up to teams, Todd Whitman. Uh he’s I think he’s also the guy, I, by the way, so many of you have been asking me how to get that manual for CrossFit kids. I don’t know how to get that. People have been sending me one, and that’s not the one I’m talking about. There’s one that has a training plan. That’s just like the most detailed, incredible training plan. I’ll look for it. I’ll look for it. And I’ll ask around the.

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