#505 – Athlete Strengths & Weaknesses | 2022 CrossFit Games Insider

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

And Brian a bam we’re live. Did we send Brian a link? Yeah, we did. Okay. He was on the same text that I shot. Good morning, John.

John Young (00:07):

Good morning.

Sevan Matossian (00:09):

Uh, you don’t you, do you live in Kalamazoo, Michigan? I do not. Oh, you’re so lucky. Uh, SU could you bring up that article mm-hmm <affirmative> for those of you who don’t know what woke is, I’m going to explain to you. Um, I wanna explain to you what equity is. Um, equity is when everyone, um, can do whatever the fuck they, um, want within the rules of, uh, big daddy. So, uh, the only place in the world that equity exists is in prison. And when you try to enforce it on society, weird shit, like this happens, this is a city run by a liberal mayor. Um, they have decriminalized ping and shitting and littering

Speaker 3 (00:50):


Sevan Matossian (00:51):

And, and, and, and if you wanna know what racism looks like, they’ve done this in the name of equity, meaning they think that someone can’t follow those rules. I think that they think that since they, they, they feel bad for Armenians because Armenians are such savages and pigs and dirt bags that they think that Armenians, um, uh, can’t use the toilet to shit and pee and that they must litter. Uh, this is, um, and guess, guess what if the mayor’s a Democrat or a Republican, <laugh> you go ahead and guess, and, and the winner gets 5 million.

Speaker 3 (01:32):


Sevan Matossian (01:35):

John. Hi, welcome to the show. It’s been a while the return of John Young three incredible shows. I bet they’re gonna be three of our biggest shows, um, of the year, uh, sponsors. Um, you, uh, if anyone knows anyone at first form, uh, it is not a woke company. I need them as a sponsor going into the games. Uh, you guys are all tuned into the most funnest, uh, the most exciting and the most detailed, most up to date, fastest reporting on the CrossFit games this year, um, sprinkled in with, uh, the funniest shit too, and, and some news. Um, so, uh, tell the guy who owns first form or someone over there. I heard that company’s not woke and, um, that they should get on the bandwagon. You know, someone I’m thinking like 20 to $50,000, something for like just sponsor all 100 shows we’ll do in the next 72 hours. That’s a deal. Teddy Williams. Yes, he is back. Uh, we show Brian friend on here in a second. Um, this is cool. Shit. You got John.

John Young (02:40):

Are we getting into it already?

Sevan Matossian (02:42):

I, I mean, I guess maybe we should, I could ask you some questions. Okay. Let me ask you this question real quick. Before we get into it. What, what, what, um, I, I have a, I have good enough, good enough form to do a snatch. Um, what other accessory work? What other things should I be doing weekly? If I wanna just, um, work on my snatch. What are some other movements?

John Young (03:04):

Snatch balances.

Sevan Matossian (03:07):

Can you show me one of those? Um, so, so what, what’s a snatch balance. Uh, what about overhead squats?

John Young (03:14):

Overheads also, also great, but you can snatch balance into your overhead squat.

Sevan Matossian (03:18):

Is that where you’re like, you’re in a hang. Oh, is that one of the bars like this? And you just drop to the bottom? Yes. Oh yeah. Show me show. Oh, it is okay. You’re pulling one up Suza.

Mattew Souza (03:27):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s our, it’s our, it’s our good friend too here,

Sevan Matossian (03:31):

Mr. Oh, okay. Yeah. Hold bar.

John Young (03:33):

That’s beautiful.

Mattew Souza (03:35):

Look at him. Boom.

Sevan Matossian (03:38):


John Young (03:39):

The more you snatch balance, the more you will snatch, it’s like clockwork

Sevan Matossian (03:43):

Snatch balance. Do you do those Brian?

John Young (03:47):

Uh, I have in the past.

Sevan Matossian (03:49):

All right. So he doesn’t do ’em

John Young (03:52):


Sevan Matossian (03:53):

How often do you do those John?

John Young (03:56):

I mean, I don’t need to work on snatch a lot, so not very much, but damn I did when I was trying to beat good at snatch

Sevan Matossian (04:03):

And now you’re good. And, and you’ve moved on.

Mattew Souza (04:06):

Check that box

John Young (04:07):

Pretty, pretty much. Yeah, you should. You should be able to snatch balance more than you can snatch. So if you can’t, then it’s a deficiency.

Sevan Matossian (04:15):

Oh, that’s cool. Uh, what can you, um, snatch, what’s your max match?

John Young (04:20):

2 85.

Sevan Matossian (04:21):

And what’s your max snatch balance?

John Young (04:23):

Three 15.

Sevan Matossian (04:24):

How and how did you get it up there? Did you take it, did you take it off the rack?

John Young (04:28):


Sevan Matossian (04:28):

Damn damn, damn damn. Is that scary?

John Young (04:33):

No, you do it enough if you don’t get scared anymore.

Sevan Matossian (04:37):

Um, if you look at Haley Adams, um, uh, weaknesses, is it scary?

John Young (04:46):

<laugh> no, it’s the same weakness she’s had for five years. So <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (04:52):

We had her on yesterday and I,

John Young (04:53):

You said you should have asked her that question?

Sevan Matossian (04:56):

Uh, I, I just

Mattew Souza (04:57):

Kind of did <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (04:58):

I wanna make sure she comes back. Um, I’m soft. Uh, you know, we had her on yesterday and I, when I went back and looked at the research, you and I interviewed her together for two hours and 40 minutes, we had her on,

John Young (05:09):

That was my very first, uh, time on the Seron podcast.

Sevan Matossian (05:13):

Yeah, that was crazy because yesterday we only had her on for 30 or 44 minutes and I was like, wow, we had her on for two 40. That’s awesome. Berger warmup will help. I know. I should know all that. I used to do all

Mattew Souza (05:28):

That shit. Yeah. Gotta get the Berger warm

Sevan Matossian (05:30):

Up, baby. I used to do all that shit. Got an assault bike and everything got all fucked up, Brian. Hi, good morning.

John Young (05:36):

Good morning. Are you trying to out snatch Brian after he beat you on the echo bike?

Sevan Matossian (05:41):

No, I’m, I’m just

Brian Friend (05:43):

Him on echo bike. He only did the, he did the, uh, assault bike, and I was John. Your, all the stuff you sent me about that was so confusing.

John Young (05:50):

Oh, we, you talk about it

Sevan Matossian (05:52):

Later. It’s what did you, so, which one is, what do you think about the echo bike? Which one gets calories faster?

John Young (05:57):

If you’re sprinting, an assault bike is faster, but if, uh, you’re just trying to hold numbers, like hold paces as you would in a five minute interval. Yeah. An echo, an echo bike is easier. An echo bike is easier to hold 70 RPMs than an assault bike. Good. But if you’re just trying to get 30 cows as fast as possible, and the assault bike is much easier,

Sevan Matossian (06:19):

Right? Cuz you rev it up to high RPMs and those just calories just start flopping over.

John Young (06:23):

And the better you are that the like it goes to the extreme. So like if you can hit 120 RPMs on the assault bike, it it’s even more advantageous than it would for somebody who could only do 110.

Sevan Matossian (06:38):

Oh, I wonder if the that’s why the first time I got 80, because the first time I did it, I revved it up in the very beginning, up to 90. And the second time I didn’t fuck with that. I was doing

Brian Friend (06:47):

That again.

Mattew Souza (06:48):

Wasn’t gonna go

Sevan Matossian (06:48):

There. Yeah. I’m not doing that again.

Mattew Souza (06:50):

It’s painful.

Sevan Matossian (06:52):

You have a ride. The assault bike, Brian.

Brian Friend (06:55):

Yeah. Yeah. But it’s been a while. Um, and I just, uh,

Sevan Matossian (06:59):

You don’t have one at your gym.

Brian Friend (07:01):

No, we used to have ’em we traded ’em all out for echos, bike, echo bikes a few years back.

Sevan Matossian (07:06):

How come did were the salt bikes? Braking?

Brian Friend (07:08):

Mm. It was like the year before I started coaching at full time. So I’m not really sure, but they had, oh, it’s where the durability of the echo bike for the gym setting seems to be better.

John Young (07:18):

Yeah. I’ve heard that too. The echo bike’s much more durable than the assault bike. We’ve

Brian Friend (07:22):

Talked about thats on, you know, if you have one in your garage and you’re the only person using it, I don’t think it’s gonna matter so much. But if you have, you know, 10 classes a day coming through there and people are just using it, using it, using it, I think that the, the echo bike will hold up better over time.

Sevan Matossian (07:35):

The longevity.

Mattew Souza (07:36):

Yeah, for sure. We’re always doing stuff with the assault bikes, trying to tighten them up and everything.

Sevan Matossian (07:41):

Do you have the pro version at your gym, Matt?

Mattew Souza (07:45):

No. No, no. I just have the classic assault bike.

Sevan Matossian (07:48):

I have the pro version. It’s a fucking tank, but I would think anything with the chain’s gonna need more maintenance than something with a belt.

Mattew Souza (07:53):

Yeah. And just like Brian was saying just the use out of it. Like out of one class, when we do salt bike, I got nine classes going and all of those bikes are going all day. Like the use out of it is just tenfold more, a hundred fold more than it would ever be at someone’s home gym.

Sevan Matossian (08:07):

Phil just gave the biggest reason ever not to use the, um, echo bike, echo bike is stronger and games, name the echo bike as the official bike. Yeah. That means someone paid to have that

Mattew Souza (08:17):

Philly B

Sevan Matossian (08:18):

Thank you, Phil. Get your salt bike now for the best bike in the business.

John Young (08:24):

I think they are better for workouts just because you’re not sprinting when you’re working out. You’re trying to hold RPMs.

Sevan Matossian (08:29):

I like it. When you say that Brian starts to Twitch a little bit. He doesn’t like that. He,

Brian Friend (08:34):

John, you think I would’ve got less calories on the salt bike than I did on the echo bike.

John Young (08:39):

I do. Yeah. I think for you, yes. I think for me, no. Does that make,

Brian Friend (08:45):

So someone actually beat me?

Mattew Souza (08:47):

<laugh> probably no,

Sevan Matossian (08:48):

We dunno.

Mattew Souza (08:49):

It’s <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (08:50):

But I didn’t beat you, but it gives me like, uh, my ego, a place to hide like, well, maybe it would, there is some evidence that I did.

Brian Friend (08:57):

It’s terrible, John, you, you beat me by a significant amount. <laugh> you did 87 and 91 on the machine. That’s harder to get a calories on that. I did 85 and 80.

Sevan Matossian (09:07):

No, no, I did 80. I did 80 and 70.

Brian Friend (09:10):

I thought you did. 87 and 91. No,

John Young (09:13):

I think that was, that was a

Mattew Souza (09:14):

Hiller. Yeah, that was Hiller.

Brian Friend (09:16):

Well, you know, the best thing about it is a bunch of people have started doing it around the world community mm-hmm <affirmative> and that was, that was pretty cool.

Mattew Souza (09:23):

That is cool. That’s the best part of those challenges, especially the snatch one with a Seon and Olivia career setting. That was cool.

Sevan Matossian (09:29):

If, if you’re doing workouts that Brian and I do, you set the bar really low.

Brian Friend (09:35):

There’s been some impressive scores, but there’s also been some scores, pretty close SARS.

Sevan Matossian (09:40):

I thoroughly enjoy when Brian and John fight. We’ll see if we can get some of those Heidi today.

Mattew Souza (09:45):

They’re gonna get feisty.

Sevan Matossian (09:47):

Um, John, uh, can you give us an, um, give us an overview of what you’ve done, but you and Brian have, uh, compiled here.

John Young (09:55):

Sure. So, uh, I don’t know if we’re pulling up the spreadsheet, we’re just talking about it. But I basically went through every athlete in the games field, the individual field, and I tried to find a pattern in their workouts and what is a strength for them and what is a weakness for them. And I did that for every athlete and I went through Dubai rogue, uh, guap Polooza and then every semifinal and those, and then the 20, 21 games. That was probably the biggest one. Um, so every comp every major competition in the last whole year, uh, went through and see if I could find a pattern and then, um, outline a weakness and a strength for every athlete athlete. And I even did it for people like Tia and Justin. I know they don’t really have a lot of weaknesses, but what their weakest at compared to the rest of them. Right. But where it comes in, where it’s really neat is you’ll see people like in the twenties and thirties of the power ranking that, uh, that Bryan’s made. And like they have this weird strength, uh, which I’m sure we’ll get into, but like where they’re just better than everybody in the whole world. And it’s so I don’t know. It’s so random, but it’s true.

Sevan Matossian (11:13):

Let’s pick an athlete and kind, um, and gimme a little bit more detail of how you did that. So,

Brian Friend (11:20):

So Susan should Susan, you should have the, um,

Mattew Souza (11:22):

Yeah, I just saw come through

Brian Friend (11:24):

John. The first one I sent you is John’s and then we’ll talk about the other one I sent you in a minute.

Mattew Souza (11:28):

Okay. So the strength and weakness games Indy is what I wanna bring up.

John Young (11:33):

Yes. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (11:34):

Okay. Are we starting in any particular tab,

John Young (11:38):

Josh women and men do not go to my predictions cuz that’s for a later show.

Brian Friend (11:43):

Yeah. Don’t reveal those.

Mattew Souza (11:44):

Go ahead and drop us a tip and I’ll show you guys John’s predictions, highest bid

Sevan Matossian (11:49):

<laugh>. So can we just take someone like, um, uh, Jacqueline Olstrom and tell and tell me how, like, how you looked at her, like you would take her and, and sort of walk me through the process and, and is this a lot of work? What you did sounds insane.

John Young (12:03):

Um, I mean, it took a little bit of time. Yeah. Uh, so Jacqueline Olstrom, I have her strength is high volume gymnastics and her weakness is machines. And then if you go to the red and black, red, and red and green column, it’ll show, uh, evidence of this. So for high volume gymnastics, the ring muscle up thruster workout in Dubai, it was, uh, 10, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 ring, muscle up and thrusters. And she beat everybody in that whole field, in that, in that workout. And then at rogue, the thruster echo sprint workout. I don’t know if you remember that one, but it was thrusters with one 15 and then 30 cows in the echo bike and then 20 thrusters. Again, maybe it was 40 cows in the echo bike, but it was like 20, 30, 20. And she was almost dead last. Uh, so she is not great when it comes to machines and she is very, very good when it comes to gymnastics.

Sevan Matossian (13:04):

Okay. So, so something that’s just been revealed to me here, by you saying that. So these are re these aren’t relative to actual times they’re strengths and weaknesses. They’re relative to everyone else who’s in the field, which means that yes. In order for this data to be, um, fun to play with, you had to pick competitions where you and Brian believed there was relative, relatively the same level of competition.

John Young (13:28):

Yes. Yeah. And I placed higher value on like if, uh, game finishes or rogue finishes because the field is what a games field would most likely represent.

Sevan Matossian (13:39):

Okay. Um,

John Young (13:41):


Sevan Matossian (13:41):

Obviously I can’t tell you, I can’t tell you I win, uh, muscle ups comp uh, events in all my local competitions and in my garage that’s like, right.

Brian Friend (13:51):

But John doesn’t care.

John Young (13:53):

No. Yeah. I don’t care, but <laugh> uh, but the, the 10 legless rope climb event, uh, skewed everything because the hardest upper body pulling movement there is, is a, is a legless rope climb. Unless you’re gonna talk about strict, like a strict ring muscle up maybe, but that was so big on the women’s field. Like it was such a huge differentiator that there is a huge amount of like little gymnastic girls that made the games this year, like more than usual.

Brian Friend (14:30):

So SU if you just, if you pull up that other, um, document that I sent you, so while John was doing this, I was taking the stuff that we talked about a few weeks ago, which was their, um, the results from this year, from the 10 workouts I did this year of which they all did these workouts. And that was one of the, one of the workouts. And I made sort of, I think what I would call is like a, a heat map. Um, so I saw like where they were best, where they were worst. And then I looked at the, and then I, I categorized it the same way that John did. So I was, you know, trying to see, okay, this person’s three best workouts were on these. Was there a commonality amongst these three workouts? And obviously it’s relative to only these 40, the 40 people in the field.

Brian Friend (15:09):

And then I was trying to see when there were similarities between what John found from major competitions, like the games in Rogan, Dubai and waap PZA. And what I found from mostly online competitions in the open and quarter finals, the semifinals. And then I would say like, you know, okay, that’s a really strong, that’s really strong evidence that Jack and Alstrom is great when there’s high volume, upper body pulling. But the, the thing that, that started to jump out, and this is, I think what John is saying is that there were somewhere between 10 and 15 women in the field, that that was the thing they excelled at was high, high, you know, upper body pulling. And, and then you say like, you know

Sevan Matossian (15:47):

Why John referred to these as little, little gymnastics girls <laugh> is, is Bailey RA a little, is Bailey RA one of those little gymnastic girls, is she, does she, I mean, she’s pretty lean, man. Have you seen her? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She’s like a paper airplane. Totally. <laugh>

Brian Friend (16:05):

So the thing, you know, so, so one of the things that’s, uh, like that, the idea behind doing something like this would be that we could identify, you know, someone, uh, when a workout comes out that might feature a high volume volume pulling at the game that we might say, okay, well, that’s something that we would expect Jack and Daws Fromm to do well at. But if this particular field is also really just deep in that volume of movement, now, it’s like, okay, she’s she is good at those things. But just because she was great in that at strength and depth where maybe there were only three or five women that were good at this particular movement or style of, of workout. Now there’s 15 to 20 women. That might be good at this thing. Uh, because in, you know, there’s probably 10 to 10 to 12 that like Excel in this, and that’s not counting someone like Tia, who’s excelling at almost everything. You know, there’s just always like five women at the top, pretty much that are gonna be in the mix.

Sevan Matossian (16:53):

Uh, what do these color codes mean here? Green means

Brian Friend (16:56):

Mostly it’s a top five to seven, depending on few. Yeah. Top five to seven, uh, yellows, like, but it’s not necessarily exact with the, um, with the numbers. So I didn’t want someone who is like, like towards the bottom, you see there’s more yellow instead of green. So they’re not really having top 10 finishes, but I would still say that that’s their relative strength against this field. So like Paige says, there’s got, you know, three or four yellow tabs. She didn’t have anything in the top 10 while she had one 10th place finish in the rope climb. So she was, these were the things she was best at, but I didn’t, you know, they weren’t top five finishes. So I didn’t put green there. I put yellow. So like, Green’s the best, yellow’s the next then orange and then red. And similarly at the top, you don’t see a lot of red, but you see some orange. So even where those women are not as good, their finishes are still in the low twenties instead of in the high thirties or whatever.

Sevan Matossian (17:47):

It’s crazy. Um, I was gonna say something. So the people down the, the greens down at the bottom are like, they must be, have some, be some sort of specialist. Yeah. But when I, but when I think of Carolyn pre Prevo, I don’t think of her as a specialist at all. I think of her as like just extremely well rounded.

Brian Friend (18:04):


John Young (18:05):

No. You’ve seen her deadlift.

Brian Friend (18:06):

She’s amazing at deadlift.

John Young (18:08):

Carolyn Prevo is like the greatest dead lifter

Brian Friend (18:12):


John Young (18:12):

History. Yeah. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (18:13):

She’s and she’s probably amazing at burpees too.

Brian Friend (18:19):

She’s good enough at burpees that, that it didn’t matter in that workout. Uh, think that potentially that well in this workout is that the deadlift was more

Sevan Matossian (18:28):

Critical. When you say deadlift means she’s strong at it, or she’s good at cycling it both.

John Young (18:33):

Both but specifically cycling it though. So like Austin mall, Yolo did 52 reps in the 3, 3 15 for 52 reps at the rogue. How much can you deadlift? Three 15 in two minutes. Okay. 52 beat everybody beat all the strong men. And everybody was like, how is this little guy just doing this? Because he could do it. Nobody else could. And cuz his arms are longer than LeBron James <laugh>. Okay. 52. Carolyn Prevo did 67.

Sevan Matossian (19:06):


Mattew Souza (19:07):


John Young (19:09):

And two minutes, 2 25 for 67 and two minutes.

Mattew Souza (19:14):

Oh I smoked,

John Young (19:15):

I don’t think me and Brian combined could do 67 reference 2 25.

Sevan Matossian (19:20):

Yeah. That’s like a Jack camper. So that’s, that’s one every, uh, other second one, every two that’s faster than one. Every two seconds.

Mattew Souza (19:29):

Wow. Wow.

Sevan Matossian (19:30):

So she doesn’t put the, does she not put the bar down in that

John Young (19:33):

1.8 seconds?

Sevan Matossian (19:35):

<laugh> does she put the bar down in that, in that? Um,

John Young (19:38):

I’m sure there’s a video somewhere that you

Mattew Souza (19:39):

Can. I know I’m, I’m searching for it. See if we can find it.

Sevan Matossian (19:44):

Wow. So if something like that comes up at the game, she’s gonna, she’s gonna handle the

John Young (19:48):

Business. So if deadlift is in the games, she, she will be top three. And like, if you go back, when we go back to my, uh, spreadsheet, if they have like a little purple outline, that means they are the best. They are one of the best in the world at this particular movement. And when I said like people down at the bottom, how they have this weird specialty that just sticks out Carolyn Prevo fits that category.

Sevan Matossian (20:13):

Um, that order that you had them in there, Brian, that was your spreadsheet.

Brian Friend (20:17):

The one, the previous one was mine. This one is

Sevan Matossian (20:19):

John’s. Yeah. What, what is that order that you have them in there?

Brian Friend (20:23):

That’s the order of how they would’ve scored against each other on these 10 workouts that we did a few weeks ago.

Sevan Matossian (20:30):

Okay. Um, how do, how do you wanna approach this? Do you wanna approach this by looking at athletes or by looking at movements or looking at workouts

Brian Friend (20:40):

Up to you? I have a third, a third document that I just am sharing with. Um, Susan, now that shows by movement.

Sevan Matossian (20:49):

Um, let’s, let’s let’s party a little bit. Let’s just go straight to Tia and, and, and let’s just talk about fucking how great she is. Like, like how let’s talk about as we go through and, and we look at her strengths and weaknesses, um, when we look at her weaknesses, how close is, is anybody <laugh>

Mattew Souza (21:06):


Sevan Matossian (21:06):

Just because Austin Mallilo close to her.

Mattew Souza (21:09):

<laugh> I like how the strong suit, everything here. Yeah. We suit it’s just blacked out. <laugh> yeah.

Brian Friend (21:17):

Well she had nothing worse than a fourth place finish on these, on these workouts. That’s insane. And I think that’s kind of insane.

Sevan Matossian (21:24):

And these are the 10 workouts from our other show. These are the 10 workouts that everyone has done. Who’s who’s going to the games this year, men and women, right? Yeah.

Brian Friend (21:31):

These are the opening and quarter finals workouts that like she wasn’t preparing for and was probably doing just randomly on a day of training. And she still was be, it was fourth or better on every single one of ’em it’s it’s crazy.

John Young (21:44):

I, and I’ll put this to in perspective, like Tia didn’t care about any of these workouts. Like it didn’t mean anything to her. It’s just something she has to do. I guarantee ma O’Brien these workouts meant way more to her than Tia. And she still beat her by 200 points and workouts. That suit mal that are really good for her.

Brian Friend (22:07):

Geez. Yeah. When look, what, um, what Haley was saying last night when Amanda asked her that question is like, it’s not lost on the athletes. How, how good and insanely good Tia is at this point

John Young (22:21):

Now I think you asked Sev on how do you beat Tia?

Sevan Matossian (22:25):

No, no. A caller asked that a caller asset, a

John Young (22:28):

Caller asset. And she, she said, you tell me like,

Mattew Souza (22:32):

Yeah, Amanda hard, that

John Young (22:33):

It’s so true.

Sevan Matossian (22:36):

And is mall O’Brien in a similar suit. She seems to be, uh, uh, quite the standout also. I mean, if you look at, if you look at this data, there’s no one, no one can take second place from her.

Brian Friend (22:47):

Right. But, but keep in mind what John just said. You know, when, when from when John’s, uh, studies, what he really noticed is Mel thrives on workouts, where there’s a high volume of transitions and the open and the quarter finals workouts. There’s a lot, there are a lot of things like that because you have a limited space where you can do the workouts in. So these are, you know, she is proving to be very good at most things, uh, you know, even young and early in her career. But in particular, this, in the gym, moving between implements over and over again is something that she’s just amazing at,

Sevan Matossian (23:21):

Uh, to has talked to us about that, that, that basically the, the I, and I’m paraphrasing him, that the newer athletes aren’t using the transitions to rest or to take breaks, but they are resting when they need to be in strategic points, but they’re not letting the transitions dictate those rests with water shirt off, chalking up shit like that. Did you hear that, John? What do you think about that?

John Young (23:47):

Can you say it again?

Sevan Matossian (23:48):

Uh, BA BA it’s. Okay. Uh, uh, BA basically, because it kind of needs to be repeated because it’s something we’ve talked about before. I think Brian and I have talked about it before that basically these newer athletes and the athletes who are staying at the top, aren’t letting, um, resting time be dictated to them. They’re not, and in the past transitions were where people would rest, even if it was for half a second, one second, chalk up, drink water, take your shirt off. And that the newer athletes are resting when they need to, let’s say, you’re gonna do 20 muscle ups. They might rest at seven or something and then go to 13. But in between that, those 13 muscle ups and that farmer’s carry, they’re not D taking a rest, the transitions, they’re not letting transitions, dictate them. They’ve taken the, the strategy and the tactics of winning to another level. They’re not letting the movements. And then Brian just said, ma O’Brien is like, she, she flourishes, uh, in, in, um, in move in, uh, workouts where there’s, uh, a lot of transitions, meaning, meaning she’s killing it there.

John Young (24:39):

Yeah. I don’t or implies that. I don’t know if it’s strategy though. I think that, I think we’re just getting fitter. Okay. As a whole, as a whole. Um, if you look at like, you could take Katherine in 20 15, 20 16, she was always a very fast mover. And like that, I mean, that’s a skill in its own, just being a fast mover from object to object and starting quickly. And like somebody like Katherine was always really good at that. Somebody like Sarah was not good at that. Um, she, wasn’t a fast mover and that’s kind of a hard thing to quantify cuz you, you kind of just see it, but

Brian Friend (25:13):

<laugh>, I think there’s something else that’s that’s happening. Uh, also, and we’ve talked about this on some, these recent episodes in a little less detail or more broadly is that the athletes are figuring out how to make more and more movements aerobic. And I first was like clued into this when they started doing the whoop, uh, heart rate monitors and showing that on rich phoning workouts. And we’ve even pulled some up and showed before where he’ll start doing toes to bar and his heart rate will start going down. And I’ve personally have experimented with the fact that if I just finish a set of thrusters and my heart rate elevating, but the, and then if I go stand there and I think I can’t, I can’t jump out in the pullup bar to do the toes to bar yet because my heart rate’s so high.

Brian Friend (25:54):

Actually, if I jump up there, the toes to bar allows a rhythm. I’ve figured out how to breathe in the rhythm of the toes to bar, as long as my midline can hang on my, I think my heart rate actually might be dropping as well, doing the toys apart as opposed to standing there waiting. And when athletes like, like mal are coming up and, and people are, you know, teaching her or coaching her through how to make more and more of these movements, stuff that she can breathe through. It’s actually better off for her to just start that next set than to stand there and rate and, and wait for the heart rate to come back to.

John Young (26:27):


Sevan Matossian (26:28):

Um, who, who has, which athlete has the, um, the least balance? Does that question work? Meaning, meaning they they’re, they they’re on the most extremes?

Brian Friend (26:41):

Um, well there’s actually a lot, but I think John will probably be able to pick out one or two.

John Young (26:45):

Do you wanna like, uh, like good athletes or athletes that are just

Sevan Matossian (26:50):

Kind of that either anyone there? I mean, at this point, if you’re as long as you’re not from oh, careful Chevy. Okay. As long as you’re not from south America or Asia. You’re good. So, so I, I mean,

John Young (27:03):

Hey Roman, Roman’s from Asia, so

Sevan Matossian (27:05):

All right. Fine. Roman

John Young (27:06):

He’s, he’s pretty good. I would probably say Guillermo. Wow. Because, and only because D and the reason why I say him is because he’s one of the top athletes. So the extreme sticks out a little bit more. Um, as, as far as the men go, we can get on the women and talk about them too. But like, cuz Guillermo, it’s almost an automatic win. You know what I mean? If it’s a strength of it, he’s going to win. He’s that much above everybody else,

Brian Friend (27:32):

John. So the last initial, his name is an E.

John Young (27:36):

Okay. Brian. Well, you have access to the document too.

Brian Friend (27:39):

Ke <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (27:42):

What do you mean? There is an E what, what, what

Brian Friend (27:45):


Sevan Matossian (27:46):

Oh, gime, it’s

Brian Friend (27:48):

Called GE

John Young (27:49):


Sevan Matossian (27:51):

Mahas at least he’s got a vow in there

Brian Friend (27:53):

A case Adilla

John Young (27:55):

But when a guy, when a guy can finish in the top 10 and he’s exciting, like GE is like he’s extreme, stick out a little bit more if he

Sevan Matossian (28:04):

Comes in, is there another athlete where they’re guaranteed to win besides, uh, Tia, where you could say that about them? Like maybe

Brian Friend (28:13):

Guaranteed to

Sevan Matossian (28:14):

Win well, but if it’s gonna be a snatch, Gee’s gonna win it. I don’t know if you can say that about any of the other 80 athletes, any 79 athletes,

John Young (28:20):

Anybody, anybody in purple. It’s a guarantee just about

Sevan Matossian (28:23):

Okay. Okay. Wow. Roman’s that good at machines?

John Young (28:28):


Brian Friend (28:28):

Sean, tell him how good he is.

Sevan Matossian (28:30):

<laugh> wait, hold on. I’m sorry. We’ll come back to that’ll come back that I wanna keep you on G I wanna keep you on G I’m so sorry. This is really fucking getting cool. Okay. Yana Koski is the swimmer. Wow. Hopper has a guaranteed Tuda has said wow. Colton

Brian Friend (28:47):


Sevan Matossian (28:49):

Can’t believe you. Didn’t start with Colton. Okay. Let’s let’s finish up with gee. Okay. So G’s that good at? Um, is, is gee that bad at long distance? You’re saying if something goes over 20 minutes, um, he, he, he he’s finishing in the, in the bottom 10.

John Young (29:03):

I’m saying he finishes lower than 20th.

Sevan Matossian (29:06):


John Young (29:07):


Brian Friend (29:07):

I think one of the big questions for gee this year is how much better has he gotten in that time domain? Yeah. And that’s gonna be the difference between if he’s able to improve on the seventh place, finish from last year or not, cuz he’s still gonna hit home runs.

Sevan Matossian (29:20):

Wow. This I’m starting to really like this document. This is cool. What, um, how about does it, does it get John as I, um, and, and Brian, if I go, if I say a 25 minute, does that start pushing him down even further? Or does he have a threshold at 20 minutes? That he’s, it doesn’t get worse for him?

John Young (29:36):

Uh, I mean, I would say after 20 minutes, he is what he is. Uh, because once it’s aerobic, everybody falls into place and after 20 minutes, you’re gonna be you hold whatever you can hold 20 minutes for an hour. You know what I mean?

Brian Friend (29:49):

And this is where the, you know, the, the thing that you’re talking about, you know, being great at a ring muscle ups in your local competition comes into play. He won the hour long workout in, in, at Copa, sir.

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