#499 – 2022 CrossFit Games Events | First Look ft. Taylor Self & J.R. Howell

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

You’re a fucking trader. You went on the coffee, wads and pods podcast.

Taylor Self (00:03):

Yeah, he just had me on Monday. We, we just show

Sevan Matossian (00:06):

It was only fucking trader shut up only an hour.

Sevan Matossian (00:09):


Sevan Matossian (00:10):

I fucking hope you were there brushing up on your fucking skills. Bam. We’re like, Hey Peter, don’t get carried away. See these people stay away from ’em lose their phone number.

Sevan Matossian (00:22):

<laugh> <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (00:25):

I should have worn mine. Hey, uh, so before this podcast started Jr Howell in the crash shirt, uh, I was like, Hey, I’m gonna work out. What should I listen to? He told me to go over to coffee, wads and pods, and listen to Peter’s podcast with Adrian, you guys who think you’re games, fans, and haven’t listened to that podcast are not games fans. I am telling you that is an amazing podcast. It has like 125 views and there’s no, I it’s. It’s it’s the best stuff I’ve heard about the CrossFit games, uh, by far. And I would never, if Adrian came on my show, I would jerk ’em off and be afraid to ask 50% of those questions. I’m telling you it’s were you

Sevan Matossian (01:01):

Working out or, or

Sevan Matossian (01:03):

No, I was working out. I was check out I was doing power cleans with 1 15, 1 15. Uh, but uh, but man, I’m, I’m just that guy killed it. That and Jerry, you weren’t joking that wasn’t a waste of my time. That’s dense. Peter hits him with question after question after question and he doesn’t let Adrian hide. Uh, I, I, I can’t help. I don’t know how many times you guys are gonna hear this during the game season. There is, and has never been any better promotion for the CrossFit games ever than the behind the scenes and the documentaries by far. And, and, and I don’t know, I, I, I wanna tell you that the behind the scenes were by far greater promotion, but I, I, I just, can’t when we first went to Netflix with the film, um, that I produced in, uh, Hebrew and Mars made, that was a fucking massive game changer going to, because Netflix is like truly international.

Sevan Matossian (01:51):

And although Apple’s truly international, iTunes is still a bit niche, but when we went to Netflix with that exploded, but there will ne the thing is this, there will never be another person who can do the behind the scenes, like me, not even close. I say that with all humility and it is a, it, it shows you if anyone’s listening, who’s invested money into the purchase of CrossFit. What I do, what I brought to the games by far is, is mind boggling and what I continue to bring to the games. And I’m gonna tie that into the coffee wads and pods thing, but the, the most minutes watch of any games, video and the history of the games, I think minutes, watch not views minutes watch was behind the scene series. And, uh, um, and there’s a reason for that. And, and the only, the only thing that I would contest that Adrian said in that podcast is he said that CrossFit games is more transparent and open than ever.

Sevan Matossian (02:41):

And I will say this, that behind the scenes made the CrossFit games more transparent than anything you guys could do or currently do. And not only that, it made enough noise that anything you guys were fucking up on, you could just push that up to the front and it would cancel it out. Does that make sense? Trump was a master of that shit. Squeeze chick’s ass over here, get in trouble. Okay. Throw some, do something else over here. Get your mind off of it. That behind the scenes was a PI and, and, and I, and the current people in, in play, who don’t take advantage of that, who don’t just swallow their ego and be like, we’re gonna use the shit outta Seon to bring you’re making a mistake, but I don’t, you can’t afford me anyway now. And I’m too big time, but I’m just saying <laugh>, I’m just saying, uh, I also wanna say that I, I think we are the only media outlet that continues to promote the L one with, with, I mean, red shirts, godsend. You guys are the ship

Mattew Souza (03:35):

Straight call to action in

Sevan Matossian (03:36):

The newsletter. Yes. E every everyone you have to take your L one. Okay. I wanna start, um, uh, talks about cuts. What’s this? Oh, I’ll bring that up later about something Brian friend posted. Um, I wanna, I wanna play, uh, hopefully, um, the coffee wads and pods guys, won’t be too upset. I wanna start this at 28, 28, um, from the coffee wa and pods with Adrian Bosman, by the way, this podcast will be about program, the CrossFit gains programming. We will give you the greatest insights you can find anywhere except for maybe this podcast. Okay. Uh, uh, uh, this is Peter’s episode 2 34, uh, list. Listen to this, please.

Speaker 4 (04:17):

<inaudible> what can we do to negate it next time, I guess? Oh, absolutely. I mean like, you can’t be invested in some, I guess you can, but I’m not, uh, you can’t be invested in something for like 15 years. That’s a niche thing that you kind of dedicate your whole life to. And then just be like, man, I don’t really care that much. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (04:35):

Absurd. He just described me for everyone in the world who wonders what the fuck’s going on. And I would argue that besides Greg Glassman, no one has dedicated more of their life to Crossman. The last 15 years. I never took a day off. Not Christmas, not the Thanksgiving, not when someone died, not when someone was born, nothing. Same with my wife, Dave, my kids were born. She was still working all of them, home, birth them, and Adrian Bosman just said it right there. So if you’re ever figuring out what the fuck is Sev on doing it’s because I’ve given my life to it for 15 years and I’m just rolling. Okay. Uh, 32 0 4. Now the show starts at 5 0 8. Uh, I hope you guys have all gone to the bathroom and everything. This is when the smart programming shit stops. And I take my Dick outta my mouth and let get in Jr. Talk a little bit. Okay. And action.

Speaker 4 (05:20):

But there’s but on the other end of that, let let’s talk program programing specifically, start over. Cause I’m rambling a little bit. Start over programming.

Sevan Matossian (05:26):

We got an echo. Is that you Taylor, when you came in the echo started, you have your YouTube open or anything? No, I don’t. How do I fix that?

Mattew Souza (05:33):

Okay. Let me, lemme try to mute my mic. Let’s see if that changes

Sevan Matossian (05:36):

It. Okay.

Speaker 4 (05:40):

32. I’ll take them as if they are. Um, and I think that that’s not necessary, uh, but there’s, but on the other end of that, let let’s talk programming specifically, cuz I’m rambling a little bit, but uh, programming specifically, there’s always gonna be people that have strong opinions and that’s great in my opinion, because it means that like so many other sports people are invested enough to care. And at the end of the day, I think there’s many bad ways to program, but most of them are not as dire as people make it out to be. And most of it does not revolve around their particular preference that they’re usually so fired up about. Um, there’s a pretty broad strike zone for programming to be appropriate. Pause. Um,

Sevan Matossian (06:23):

So we’ve, we’ve told you the whole thing. You’re looking at four people who’ve dedicated their fucking lives to CrossFit. We’ve established that, uh, possibly the finest, uh, CrossFit gym on the Eastern seaboard is, uh, crash CrossFit. We have a guy who’s fucking, uh, rehabbed himself out of fucking going to jail and uh, robbing banks, Taylor self through CrossFit. Uh, Matt Susan probably has a little bit of a similar story, uh, and uh, and runs an affiliate in Livermore, California and has been one of the most outspoken, um, and uh, successful, uh, affiliate owners in the world. And then there’s me. And, and then, and on top of that, so you know why we’re obsessed with it and what we’re doing. And so, you know, our, um, invested interests and our bias and et cetera. And then on top of that, um, Adrian Bosman has given us car blush. Is that a word car blush? That means like we can unabashed blessing to talk about programming. He accepts it. He understands it. He’s at the top of the food chain. He’s at the mountain. He says, throw the stones, throw the cotton bowls, throw the accolades. Let’s do it. He, he, he, he appreciates it.

Sevan Matossian (07:30):

Bam we’re live great. I’ve ever done two in a row. Guys. Why, what makes you think that we can get some insight into car Bloche freedom to act as one wishes or things best? Uh, what makes you, uh, Jr. Think that, um, we can have some insight already into, uh, knowing what the program is gonna be for the 20, 22 CrossFit games, finding the fittest human being on the planet, man and woman.

JR Howell (07:55):

Yeah. I mean, I think there’s a lot of things actually, to this point, we can look to some of them invoke a little bit more speculation than others, but a little different from Dave. You know, one thing Boz has done since what January is, he’s been really accessible. That’s not something we were really used to with Dave. We were used to waiting for hints through his Instagram page, through his notepad that he was doodling on through maybe a random picture here and there. But Boz has given you some access. He’s given you a lot of access.

Sevan Matossian (08:22):

Give me examples. What do you mean? So, so, and he mentions that he thinks he’s doing a, he, I mean, he doesn’t, he, he’s not bragging, but he, he thinks they’re doing a good job more than, more than ever.

JR Howell (08:31):

Yeah. So, you know, if we stay on this podcast specifically, um, you know, I think it’s at one hour and 10 seconds in, you know, he gives us some insight there. You know, he, he says some things about the programming or maybe about the way he feels about the direction of the sport and what athletes should be focusing on that we wouldn’t have gotten any other time and that’s live to the public to, to consume. I don’t know if a lot of people have, but it’s out there. The one he did leading up to the last chance, qualifier with chase Ingram on the CrossFit podcast. Again, more things in there we can point to and look and say, ah, that gives us some insight to maybe the direction he’s trying to push the athletes in the sport as a whole,

Sevan Matossian (09:10):

Uh, TA Taylor, same question to you. What makes you think that we have some enough information? Well, let me have, so, so sorry, Taylor. So Jerry, you do think we have enough information to start, uh, picking away at this thing. Absolutely. Okay. Uh, Taylor, what makes you think that we have enough information to start, uh, putting this thing together, this puzzle together and making some good, solid guesses?

Taylor Self (09:29):

I, I agree with the same thing Jr said. I also think, you know, he has, he’s put himself out there on the very, not random podcast that he has with pat Sherwood. And there are like 67 episodes or so. And I think they started doing that maybe two years ago, max. So you can assume at least 30 of those are within the last 12 months, maybe more. Um, and while the majority of them have nothing to do with games programming, the more you know about a person and the more you hear them talk about CrossFit, what he prefers, how he programs, just the way he thinks, um, movements, he goes back to time domains. He goes back to rep schemes. He goes back to, um, you know, like Jr is gonna talk about in a little bit, his background, uh, in sport, all those things are add to the pile to grab from, in terms of accurate speculation.

Sevan Matossian (10:18):

So, so these are the, these are the two things I hear, uh, insight, uh, into his character where he comes from his past. And, uh, what he’s talked about, what he’s leaked either, uh, intentionally or inadvertently. And then we have this, um, I mean, you send us a shitload of notes Jr, but we have this thing. Can you pull up this schedule? I, I have not looked at this. Um, does this already does something, is, is, um, insignificant as the schedule, just start getting your brains working.

JR Howell (10:48):

Yeah, of course, because you know, you see 11 testing windows, but that doesn’t mean that’s 11 scored workouts by any stretch of imagination. You know, we see a one hour window for individuals and teams and already people are thinking about what that could possibly be on that podcast. He alludes to something that every competitor will do at the games, age groups, individuals, and teams, which is awesome. And it’s something to get you thinking about what could be that all encompassing, that it would be appropriate for a 50 year old or for a 15 year old?

Sevan Matossian (11:22):

Uh, I, I think that’s actually, could you pull that up real quick, Matt? I think that’s at 58 30. Yep. Which what Jr just said. Um, and, and Jr. It’s more than all LD, right? I mean he states it. Yeah, absolutely. He says, Adrian Bosman says on this podcast, you guys are about to hear this, uh, coffee, wads and pods with Peter. He says that every single athlete at the CrossFit games is going to do the same workout. This, and this is tantalizing. I, I mean, you gotta give it to Boz. This is, I, I mean, before you hit play, do you like this Taylor that everyone’s gonna do the same thing

Taylor Self (11:55):

I, I do. And I’m very excited, interested to see how they do it. I think I have an idea of how, but I could be wrong.

Sevan Matossian (12:03):

It it’ll be a let down if it’s 50 burpees for time, right.

Taylor Self (12:07):


Sevan Matossian (12:08):

Or no. Yeah.

Taylor Self (12:09):

It’s not gonna be the yo horse because when he, when he talks about this and I guess we can get into that in a second, but when he just play the clip and we can talk about it after,

Sevan Matossian (12:16):

Uh, okay. Taylor self, given orders,

Speaker 7 (12:20):

8th of August or whatever, is there something that you’re thinking of specifically that would make you think that was a success?

Speaker 4 (12:28):

Yeah. I mean, there’s a lot of different domains there. Um, you know, every time you’re staring down a big event like this with a lot of moving pieces it’s and not because you doubt yourself, but you’re like, yeah, can we do it at all? Like, there’s a lot,

Sevan Matossian (12:41):

Oh, I screwed this up anyway. Keep of

Speaker 4 (12:43):

Course I have faith in the team that we can, but you know, you just have those moments where you’re like, man, can we do it?

Sevan Matossian (12:48):

Okay. Pause just for a second. And I don’t wanna say this, this podcast is full of this Adrian giving you insights into the magnitude of the event you ne and yet he says it was such humility and yet maintains his dignity and strength. You believe he’s pulling it off, but you also know this is no fucking joke. Okay. Okay. Go, go ahead. I mean, and just to put it in context that the super Bowl’s just the same fucking thing every year, the only fucking complex thing about the super bowl is the fucking party that they do in the center at, at halftime or Janet Jackson pulls out or titty or something, that’s it? This thing is, this thing is a mess. Every this thing is a fucking jigsaw puzzle every year. And this year Adrian had to put it together. Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (13:29):

Will be the win. Um, but I think to me what’s really important. And I said this, um, I think it was to Sean and Tommy recently.

Sevan Matossian (13:39):

Okay, cut that part out.

Speaker 4 (13:40):

It is really important to me that, you know, the games obviously is the transitional year. Um, it’s gotta be what people expect it to be. It’s gotta be this epic complete test and it’s gotta be big and it’s gotta showcase the athletes and it’s gotta stretch the athletes and it’s gotta frustrate some of the athletes. Um, and it’s gotta be all of these things. Um, and it’s gotta be inspirational to the community and it’s gotta give people something to rally around and it’s gotta inspire people to get back in the gym and say, Hey, you know what? I could, I could take my own fitness a little bit further and I could be a little bit more, uh,

Sevan Matossian (14:16):

Diligent. And I really screwed this up. I really thought it was at 58 30. Sorry. J

Speaker 4 (14:19):

It was, but this is awesome. Yeah. Started it late. It, I feel it’s really important on a personal level to reflect all of that because that’s what I believe the games to be. It’s this big festival from this niche community that believes in this thing enough, um, to be interested in all aspects of it. And, uh, yeah, it’s I, again, I’m rambling. I don’t know how articulate I’m being, but it is important to me to carry that torch.

Sevan Matossian (14:49):

You’re not rambling. Okay. Uh, wait, something’s not right here. Oh, I see. What’s going on. Did it

Mattew Souza (14:57):

Start too late or

Sevan Matossian (14:58):

Were you no, this isn’t the right. Something’s wrong. See how it ends at 1 0 3 55. That’s not the one I was watching is, is some, something’s not right because it didn’t, it also didn’t play the clip at, at, um, one minute and 10 seconds the Jr. Was talking about right, Jr. Something’s wrong with this clip?

Mattew Souza (15:12):

Yeah. Cuz there was no one 10. That’s interesting.

Sevan Matossian (15:15):

This is not the YouTube video that I just watched while I was working out. Is there another, no

Mattew Souza (15:21):

Other one off the page you watched it

Taylor Self (15:23):

On Spotify I think is what we pulled the, the timestamps from. And that one goes to 1 0 7 0 8.

Mattew Souza (15:29):

Yeah. Yeah. We

JR Howell (15:30):

Just, so there’s probably some ads or something in there,

Mattew Souza (15:32):

Either ads or did he cut out the part where he didn’t he have to check on his kids or something during this?

JR Howell (15:38):

Yeah, I think so.

Sevan Matossian (15:39):


Mattew Souza (15:39):

So maybe the first time it went out versus,

Sevan Matossian (15:42):

Oh, cause this

Mattew Souza (15:43):

Is it. I mean,

JR Howell (15:44):

Yeah, but you know, something we could talk about while we, while we try to figure out the lease and everything that quote there, maybe more valuable than anything mm-hmm <affirmative> because it gives everyone reassurance that this guy gets it, he gets it. He knows that he needs to stay true to the methodology. He needs to stay true to the history and he needs to make sure that it’s inspirational for people to take into their gyms and be inspired by for the next year. And I think that’s really, really important. All those things.

Taylor Self (16:13):

He also mentions at the start of the podcast. Peter asked him about kind of some nervousness or maybe nervousness for back, lack of a better term, um, about carrying the torture, taking the torch from Dave. Um, and he shows a lot of confidence in a way that I appreciated at the start of the show because he, he says, you know, you look back at my track record every way that I’ve been involved with the company of CrossFit. And I don’t think there’s anyone better suited to pick up after Dave. And I would agree with that wholeheartedly. Yeah. The little interaction that I’ve had with him. Um, man, he’s a, he’s a great guy one, but the resume is quite extensive.

Sevan Matossian (16:52):

It is, uh, he, he in, uh, in, in the beginning of the first 40 minutes, man, that’s really weird. I’m looking at my version too. It’s so weird that it’s different. Um, he does, uh, he with, with a lot of humility, he addresses every single, um, <laugh>, he, he, uh, he addresses every single criticism. I mean, Peter does not let him off Doug, if you wanna hear all the criticisms, like just one by one. And at, at some point, Adrian says, Hey, this is the first time I’ve, uh, addressed these things publicly. I mean, you could see Adrian’s, he’s not caught off guard, but, um, his honesty is, uh, next level

Taylor Self (17:30):

And in the podcast with chase too, I think they were talking about the burpy standards in the open and, and Boz made a comment lot. Like, you know, he, he described his, the burpee standards one way and chase goes, you mean multiple, like, like multiple standards and, and Boz goes, all right, fair enough. Um, so he, he is acknowledging some of the stuff, stuff, but uh,

Sevan Matossian (17:50):

He’s he also says this line in the podcast, if you’re afraid of controversy, then, uh, CrossFit is not, not the place for you to work <laugh>. Yeah. And, and you have to remember this, this company was born on controversy about a low carbohydrate diet and squatting below parallel. And I know a lot of you weren’t around in 2006, 2007, but it was crazy. There were actually death threats, uh, towards Greg for, for the, for that kind of shit. Um, uh, quick question for you, by the way I had in my notes here, do we have any, are they doing COVID testing this year? Are they doing any of that dumb shit?

Taylor Self (18:23):

The judges and the volunteers are not. I know that. So I would assume the athletes are not

Sevan Matossian (18:27):

Okay, good. So we don’t have to worry about people running in their own lane or any of that stuff.

JR Howell (18:32):

Hope not.

Taylor Self (18:33):


Sevan Matossian (18:34):

Every time, every time I hear, oh, this person has COVID. I’m like, why, who the fuck is getting tested anymore?

Taylor Self (18:40):


Mattew Souza (18:41):

I’ll still be wearing my mask.

Sevan Matossian (18:43):

Good. Well that’s because it’s a that’s cuz we’re selling mask. Hey, you know, Joe Rogan was selling Rogan masks on his, on his merch store.

Mattew Souza (18:51):

I think I did not defend him on this. And he would like still push back and I was like, maybe he just licenses that name to a certain company and they just turned it into a commodity. And you were like, no, he’s still in charge of what his name gets put

Sevan Matossian (19:01):

On. So didn’t

Taylor Self (19:03):

Even know that he was selling it.

Sevan Matossian (19:04):

If you went into his sex shop and there was the, um, Seon dildo, and you like, dude, what are you doing? And it said for men’s only on it. It’d be like, fuck, what do I know? It’s why license that shit out. What do

Taylor Self (19:15):

I know? It’s

Sevan Matossian (19:16):

Only they get the Seon vagina too.

Taylor Self (19:19):

<laugh> the Sev butt

Sevan Matossian (19:21):

Pussy. I just, I just can’t. I just, but for a price I would, for a price, not, I would do that cheaper than I would do make the behind the scenes. Just a

Mattew Souza (19:29):

I’m just cutting deals behind your back.

Sevan Matossian (19:31):

<laugh> yes. Um, when you guys laid this out, these events, how do you guys wanna, how do you guys wanna address this? Do you wanna go through each, each day and talk about what you guys think might happen on those days?

JR Howell (19:43):

No, because I think that’s, that’s entirely speculation. I think we need to use some of, I need, I think we need to use some more of what we were given. So if we can, if we can listen to those three clips, first one being at 1940 from the podcast he did with chase and that’s on the podcast app. Not on YouTube. That’s that’s what I base it off

Sevan Matossian (20:00):

Of on, on Spotify.

JR Howell (20:02):

No, this is podcast app. Yeah.

Taylor Self (20:05):

Apple podcast.

Sevan Matossian (20:07):

Oh the

JR Howell (20:09):

Podcast. Cause I think, because I think there’s, there are things here we can take and really run with as we start to think about what could possibly come

Sevan Matossian (20:14):

Out. Hey, does that make, does that make Jr seem, seem older than me that I’m like on Spotify is like, no, the podcast app that makes ’em older than me. Right? Taylor like less technologically savvy.

Taylor Self (20:28):

How old are you?

Sevan Matossian (20:29):

I’m 50

Taylor Self (20:31):


Sevan Matossian (20:32):

<laugh> I guess not you’re standing by your boy, Joe. That’s not fair. You guys train together. <laugh> um, are there any clues while, while, while Susan finds this, are there any clues about the equipment that might be coming out from rogue this year that no one’s ever seen before?

Taylor Self (20:49):


Sevan Matossian (20:49):

Besides the fact that it is coming, because he did mention that in one of the podcasts and then he said the master’s athletes would also get to handle it. Right? Correct.

Taylor Self (20:56):

He didn’t say it was coming from rogue. I do. I do

Sevan Matossian (20:58):

Not believe. Okay. Good point. Good

Taylor Self (20:59):

Point. Um, aside from that, the, the hints are not it’s speculation. What the equipment’s going to be. I have, I have some guesses and we’ll see,

Sevan Matossian (21:11):

Let’s hear.

Taylor Self (21:13):

Okay. I think, I think the main guess that I have is, you know, I was listening to one of the very, not random podcasts and he was talking about his sport background. Uh, and he mentioned, he mentioned rock climbing. Um, and we see the O course, and he also talks about things that he’s wanted to do for a few years, but they haven’t had a chance to do. And I feel strongly that there’s a potential for, uh, a rock climbing course to be involved in the obstacle course, like a wall, uh, the same course wall set up for everyone. Like they would at a speed climbing event in the world of, of climbing or professional climbing where they have, uh, an artificial wall set up with handholds. That’s the same exact course in each lane.

Sevan Matossian (21:57):

I, I don’t, I think, I don’t think so, dude.

Taylor Self (22:00):

Maybe not.

Sevan Matossian (22:01):

Okay. Here. Here’s why just for a safety, a safety aspect,

Taylor Self (22:05):

It’s both, it’s the same safety as climbing up a fucking cargo net.

Sevan Matossian (22:08):

I know. I, I would be surprised if we ever saw that again.

Taylor Self (22:12):

I wouldn’t,

Sevan Matossian (22:13):

No, you don’t think

Taylor Self (22:14):

Be swimming again cuz athletes swallow the water and shit themselves.

Sevan Matossian (22:17):

<laugh> uh, I, I, I hear you. And it’s a, it’s a great comeback. I just think oh, versa. Climber. Yeah. Okay. I could see that Madison Perkins. I could see versa. Climber. We’ve never seen the versa climber at the CrossFit games, right?

JR Howell (22:35):

Nope, no, no. And I would argue that it’s no, it’s no more boring to watch in any of the other nonstructural machines.

Taylor Self (22:40):

I don’t see that coming. I, I, I, I see your argument, but I don’t think they’re going to versa climber.

Sevan Matossian (22:48):

Uh, but, but you, but, but you do think that they would do, I mean the wall would’ve to be high. Well,

Taylor Self (22:52):

Look at the, just look at the visual of it. Would you rather watch people fake climb or you have the ability to construct

Sevan Matossian (22:58):

A wall? Oh dude, I’m all Ford letting them, I would build a fucking, I would’ve a 50 foot rope that you had to swing over to a wall over an alligator pit down a wall, 50 foot wall. But I’m just saying they don’t even do Fran at the L one S anymore. I

Taylor Self (23:11):

Know that. I know for a fact that an artificial rock climbing wall is in the forefront of the minds of some of the people that have been programming and around the programming of the games for a very long time. And so I, I just, I, I think it’s, I think we’ll see it in the yo course. Interesting.

JR Howell (23:26):

Yeah. Since we’re on this topic right now, before we get those quotes pulled up, I think there’s a higher likelihood of seeing a peg board without plexi for your feet to climb legless. Before we see climbing on like, like little pieces of rock

Sevan Matossian (23:42):

Climbing wall. Hey didn’t they have that at the 2020 games. Weren’t wasn’t the pegboard just holes in a, in a, in a pole.

Taylor Self (23:50):

No, no, it wasn’t PL seed there’s it’s only been

Sevan Matossian (23:54):

Plex seed. Oh, so, oh, I think you’re right. I, I think you’re right. I think I saw prototypes. God, I’m gonna burn in hell for this. I think I saw prototypes of logs with holes drilled into ’em that were one time use only meaning by one time. I mean like one season, because basically they, they would the holes because they’re just all made of wood, basically. Imagine of a log with holes in it and you just climb it with pegs. I think I saw that

Taylor Self (24:24):

You’re not allowed to use your feet cuz you could still use your feet on a log. You would just grip it on the side.

Sevan Matossian (24:29):

Right. It would be different. Right? Or do

Taylor Self (24:31):

They take, they make a standard

Sevan Matossian (24:32):

Can’t I, I was, I was almost thought for sure they were gonna use that. I wonder what happened mm-hmm <affirmative>

Taylor Self (24:36):

And where did you see that?

Sevan Matossian (24:37):

Interesting. I’m pretty sure I saw that at the ranch.

Taylor Self (24:40):

Did you not sign

JR Howell (24:41):

Along the same lawn?

Sevan Matossian (24:42):

I don’t remember. They can have whatever they can come after me now. Oh look. It’s four 20. Perfect.

JR Howell (24:47):

Yeah. So along those same lines, since we’re talking about upper body pulling, yeah. You asked what have we been given other than a lot of podcasts, some teasers in that way we can talk about maybe an Instagram post. He made on his story within the last six months, but we also need to always look at main site. Now I probably be taking this, but I looked at every single day, 1 22 to just see was coming up a little bit more often than others or a little bit more often than it normally does. And I saw a few things that jumped out at me. One of them was that leg legless rope climbs from a seated position was programmed twice one time. It was to 15 feet. One time it was to 10 feet and saying that you needed to maintain an L position, but they, you know, they do stuff like that. Also strict pullups were programmed 10 times and waited strict pullups were programmed six of those 10 times and a six times waited strict pull up to come up in seven months of programming is something I think you need to pay attention to. It makes me think that when Boz talks about some of the CrossFit nerds out there that know their history, being excited that they’re gonna almost get, uh, some nostalgia. Remember when softball cost and L sit, hold a handstand walk for max distance and a farmer’s carry for max distance skills. One,

Taylor Self (26:15):

I don’t

JR Howell (26:16):

Two, right? I don’t think that stuff is super relevant, but I do think that a weighted strict pull up and something on the Ettes, whether it be an L sit or what I think is definitely coming is that L it press the handstand or, or for reps. So you start an L it, you press into a handstand. The judge gives you a good call. You lower into an LT. You show control that’s one rep. I think that Bo is really gonna push the envelope of strength, but in the domain that most CrossFitters are way behind the best in the world. And that’s gymnastics before any other type of external load.

Taylor Self (26:53):

It’s, it’s so interesting to, to talk about that, cuz you look at weightlifting and then you look at endurance sports and how narrow the gap is between the best in CrossFit and the best in those sports. And then you look at gymnastics and Olympic gymnasts and the best in CrossFit and the gap is fucking huge.

Sevan Matossian (27:09):


JR Howell (27:11):

Yeah. We gotta play that quote at 2040. Wow. We gotta play that. Um, you know, play that.

Taylor Self (27:15):

It talks about that.

Sevan Matossian (27:16):

Do you want me to start

Taylor Self (27:17):

At 2040 on Chase’s podcast?

JR Howell (27:18):

Yeah, we can play that in first, since we’re talking about the domains,

Sevan Matossian (27:22):

That’s really insightful.

Taylor Self (27:23):

But to be fair when you’re talking about all these, this strict pulling is these exercises and modalities of training are what rock climbers and gymnasts used to train. So I don’t think

Sevan Matossian (27:34):

That’s and that’s and a little insight. I I’m pretty sure when I met Adrian in 2006 or 2007, he either was currently enrolled or had been enrolled in or, or maybe he was even an instructor, but, but he did some sort of circus training. He was in a school for circus acrobatics and uh, all, all of this is like tying in nicely with it.

Taylor Self (28:00):

I wanna bring up a comment real quick and, and argue this point, this person, Madison Perkins says that’s super high skill with the Hansen. And I would argue that rather than a skill, it’s a strength. It’s a strength component and body control. Um, so skill maybe, but that’s

Sevan Matossian (28:15):

Oh, I don’t know. Taylor, you can use that argument everywhere then can’t

Taylor Self (28:18):

Yeah, but it’s like calling snatch a skill. Yes. It’s a high, skilled weightlifting movement, but you have to be strong to snatch. Well, and you have to be very strong to press the handstand just in different parts of your body.

Sevan Matossian (28:30):

That’s why you better let flip beat me by 43 reps. Okay. 44 reps. Who’s counting

Mattew Souza (28:35):


Speaker 4 (28:39):

With what their heroes are doing in the sport. Yeah. I think there are domains that we can look at as CrossFitters and say, Hey, the margin between the best in the world in this domain and us as generalists is much closer than in others. And that should give you a clue as to where maybe you need to be expanding.

Sevan Matossian (29:00):

Wow. Wow. Uh, that’s episode 57. I should have started with this. We gotta give credit to those guys. That’s episode 57 of last chance workout preview with Adrian Bosman. That’s the CrossFit games podcast that was published on.

JR Howell (29:21):

It was late June. I believe late June, cuz it was before the last chance workouts actually came out and they released it. They released it after the fact.

Sevan Matossian (29:28):

Yeah. Wow. Hey I, how, so, let me ask you guys this Taylor, how planned out was that statement? I,

Taylor Self (29:42):

I think it was very intentional. I think, I think a lot of what Boz does is really intentional and he, and he describes the intentionality at least with how he approaches programming in that same podcast. He talks about how intentional he is with time domains and time caps. And I loved when he talked about that, especially with regard.

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