#497 – Dale Saran pt. 2

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Yours on the show. I’m I’m, I’m never sure. Uh, I feel like I have a limited amount of time to pick out all the gems.

Dale Saran (00:08):

Oh dude,

Sevan Matossian (00:09):

Should I get all the diamonds or should I get all the

Dale Saran (00:11):

Gold? <laugh> whatever you want, man,

Sevan Matossian (00:14):

Man, you were well received on the last show.

Dale Saran (00:17):

That’s nice to hear that. I’m really, I’m glad to hear that.

Sevan Matossian (00:19):

Hey, are you on social media?

Dale Saran (00:22):

Eh, intermittently, you know, I, I kind of have a, uh, my, you are my social media, you know, like fall.

Sevan Matossian (00:33):

Oh, our connections really bad. Maybe it’s cuz you’re moving around

Dale Saran (00:37):

Probably. Um, I don’t, I’m not, I don’t have time for social media, you know? And then when I go on there, it’s just, it’s a cesspool, you know,

Sevan Matossian (00:45):

It is a, it is a cesspool. I was just kicked off of Instagram.

Dale Saran (00:49):

Oh, you got kicked off.

Sevan Matossian (00:50):

Yeah. And you know, it’s crazy. I didn’t care at first, but in the last like couple days I’ve been trying to get people on my podcast and, and my account had a blue check mark and you’d be surprised at how valuable that is at getting people to come on the show because I’ll DM people and my DM will land in their inbox. And if it has a blue check, mark they’ll respond to it. But if it doesn’t, they’re just like, oh, it must be some just scam,

Dale Saran (01:15):

Man. What, what was your crime against humanity?

Sevan Matossian (01:19):

I don’t know. Do so. I don’t even know Dale, but I, I asked one of my friends, uh, who comes on the show regularly, Andrew Hiller. I’m like, he goes, what happened? And I said, I don’t know what happened. And he goes, well, I know what happened. And I said, what? And he goes, everything, everything you post. So

Dale Saran (01:35):

<laugh> yeah, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (01:38):

Maybe just everything. But someone called me last night who had their account taken away, who got it back. And they said, Hey, they got one of their accounts back. And the sign that you can get it back is you’ll see remnants of your account still on the app. And I do see some remnants of it. So.

Dale Saran (01:54):

Wow. It’s interesting. You know, there’s lawsuits, other, uh, media, you know, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. They’ve got some lawsuits against them that basically they’ve been colluding with the government and I’ve been following them at the

Sevan Matossian (02:13):

Oh Dale. Our connection is so bad. You’re saying good shit. And I can’t hear it

Dale Saran (02:18):


Sevan Matossian (02:18):

That’s where you sat. That’s where you were sitting last time, right?

Dale Saran (02:22):

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Same spot. I can move. I can go in the kitchen.

Sevan Matossian (02:26):

Is there, is there better wifi there or are you closer to the router there?

Dale Saran (02:30):

Nah, no, I’m actually probably in a better spot right here. This is my desktop. This is where I work from.

Sevan Matossian (02:35):

I wonder do you does, uh, and if you look in the upper left hand corner, does it say your signal is weak or does it show like some bars missing?

Dale Saran (02:45):

Uh, yeah, no. I said

Sevan Matossian (02:47):

It Libby. What’s in your mouth. Is that a pacifier? Maybe BAK,

Dale Saran (03:00):

Uh, big, uh, Dave.

Sevan Matossian (03:04):

Ah, damn Dale. Yeah. Dale, could you try the kitchen? This is bad. Oh. Or, or log off and log back on. You wanna try that once?

Dale Saran (03:14):

Yeah. How do I do that? Oh, just leave studio and company.

Sevan Matossian (03:17):

Yeah. Try that.

Dale Saran (03:20):

Who tries that? <inaudible> yeah. I’ll log off and log.

Sevan Matossian (03:23):

Okay. Good morning guys. Yeah. Sh Manny, Bruce. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning, Mr. Jeffrey. Mr. Jeffrey, Patrick Chase. Good morning. Li good morning. Alyssa Ali, Alyssa, Alisa. Elisa. I’t think I’ve ever written this name. That’s why? Every time I see it, I, I, I don’t know how to say it. Uh, Jody Lynn vindicate. Oh, get your vindicate plan. B shirts. Get your TC CEO shirts before they run out. Damn. I love these shirts. I wonder if all the people I hang around throughout the day at all the kids events I go to have noticed my entire wardrobe has changed.

Sevan Matossian (04:04):

Ooh, you guys are piling in a good morning. Buena Diaz, Buena Diaz, big and flexi. Oh, big and flexy. We gotta get you scheduled. I think it’s gonna be after. Uh, I think it’ll be after the CrossFit games, man, the schedule’s getting is getting crazy. I just heard, um, I’m trying to do two or three or four podcasts a day as we get closer to the games, just having the athletes just pile in. But I also just heard that, uh, I spoke to Greg last night and he’s coming to town. Greg. Glassman’s coming to town for four days to do some talking here in Santa Cruz. And I don’t want to miss that. So I’m not sure

Dale Saran (04:38):

Is that let’s see if that works better.

Sevan Matossian (04:40):

Oh, you sound good now.

Dale Saran (04:42):

Oh, that’s good.

Sevan Matossian (04:44):

Oh, is there, do I hear a baby?

Dale Saran (04:47):

<laugh> what? That’s a cat.

Sevan Matossian (04:50):

Oh, nice. Let him out. Let him out here.

Dale Saran (04:54):

There we go. That’s better.

Sevan Matossian (04:56):

Where are you getting Dale? You’re in Kansas.

Dale Saran (04:59):

Uh, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (05:01):

Uh, oh, okay. So, so, so, uh, you were following, so the social media cases, people getting yanked off of social media, you said you were following some of those cases closely. Tell me about that.

Dale Saran (05:12):

Yeah. So there’s a couple

Sevan Matossian (05:16):

Oh, son of a bitch. Dale. Hey Dale can router. Yeah. Yeah.

Dale Saran (05:22):

How that try that. I see you here.

Sevan Matossian (05:26):

It’s it’s bad.

Dale Saran (05:29):

Oh, that bumps me out, man.

Sevan Matossian (05:30):

Yeah. Maybe

Dale Saran (05:34):

Hold on a second.

Sevan Matossian (05:35):

Okay. Okay. Problem. Yeah. That’s where, uh, Jacob Hoeppner went. He went and parked his car in the strip club. That is true. Is that what was the name of that club? Helpers. That’s where we did the podcast from. That was pretty cool.

Dale Saran (05:48):


Sevan Matossian (05:50):

You’re frozen solid. Now

Dale Saran (05:53):

Go to helper. Strip club. Let’s see. See if this works better. That was router. Nope. Oh, you’re gonna have car, uh, car web slash car Saunders on. I just saw somebody, uh, pump that

Sevan Matossian (06:11):

Up. Yeah, we are. Um, Dale. Uh, you’re still so frozen dude. Am I frozen when I talk to you?

Dale Saran (06:20):


Sevan Matossian (06:23):

Is there, is there another place you can try?

Dale Saran (06:26):

Nah, I could try. I could try one other thing. I could try a different network. I could use my cell to stream, man. What? A pain in the ass.

Sevan Matossian (06:34):

I’m sorry.

Dale Saran (06:36):

Hmm. No, your fault, man. It’s bad. Uh, bad interwebs. I don’t know. Let me see if there’s a better place or maybe if I’m upstairs.

Sevan Matossian (06:47):

I like the cat. What is the cat stuck in a room somewhere?

Dale Saran (06:50):

No, the cat’s just the pain in the ass. They just, we got very talkative cats.

Sevan Matossian (06:57):

Dr. <affirmative> Dr. D what’s up brother. Good morning, Dr. D. That should be my nickname. I like it. When you walk around the house. Everything’s great.

Dale Saran (07:08):

Yeah. Isn’t that funny? Yeah. Try it now. See how it is now. Okay. I’m as close to the router as I can be without plug. I’m tempted to plug into it, but I don’t have a plug with me, but it’s not good lighting. Is it?

Sevan Matossian (07:19):

Ah, it’s okay. We, we just need to hear you. We just need to hear that giant brain as it, as air gets bent around through your windpipe and then come out through your microphone.

Dale Saran (07:29):

There we go. How’s that?

Sevan Matossian (07:30):

Hey, I was looking at the stats today of, um, I, I wanna go back to the, to the, um, to the, uh, social media thing, but oh, it’s fucked up Dale. Now you’re stuck. <laugh> I can’t even hear you at all. Now. Bad lighting is better than

Dale Saran (07:51):

I’s terrible. Let me, let me log off and see if I can get a

Sevan Matossian (07:53):

Better, Allen says maybe’s you should take out your anal plug. Maybe your anal plug is causing interference in the, uh,

Dale Saran (08:00):

It could be. That could be, oh, there

Sevan Matossian (08:01):

You go. You’re

Dale Saran (08:02):

Good. I dunno. Maybe

Sevan Matossian (08:03):

I think you’re

Dale Saran (08:03):

Good. I know now. It’s good. I just saw too.

Sevan Matossian (08:06):

Yes. Can it just balance there?

Dale Saran (08:08):

Hold on.

Sevan Matossian (08:09):

Is your computer in a good spot? It’s not. He’s in the middle of the country somewhere. He’s where most of you guys live. What’s that called? Flyover land? Uh, Nope. You froze again. Damn it. I was looking at the numbers for police. No. Yeah. Number of police in the United States and then, uh, alcohol related gun violence. One third of all gun violence is alcohol related. Uh, oh, now Dale. Now Dale, you might even have to log off. You’re completely frozen. Dale, go let the cat out the bag. Heidi power cycle at all. I appreciate that. Yeah. Dr. D but lowercase. Oh, Mr. Mcg, Miguel new castle. That used to be my favorite beer in, in college. Not the one I could afford, but, but the one I preferred just walk around the whole time. It’s a thought he froze. Got my Hiller rip. No Hiller, no rep tank top and no plan BT in the mail. Awesome. Karina, Karina rain. Is that your real name? It’s a good name. Shooter. Mcg. Gavin. I like, I can compete against you. Why is this dude? Good. Geez, Louise is Mr. McGavin good. CrossFitter yeah. I loved that brown ale and anytime I would try any other brown ails, they didn’t, um, they didn’t do the same for me now. Now I don’t even like beer at all. It’s weird, Mr. Rhode say hi to Dale for me. Do you know Dale? Uh, Mr. Rhodes, do you know? Good morning. Good morning. There’s the other Elise. There she is.

Sevan Matossian (10:07):

I dunno if you guys saw Trina started a Reel’s account. I wish I could remember the name of it. Maybe it’s go rogue, Seon, Orson gone rogue or something. It’s it’s just reels from the show. It’s pretty cool. Oh, we’re back. Hey. And the video here is amazing. All the other spots the video was asked, it’s just

Dale Saran (10:25):

The audio, right? Yeah. You’re real. I know, man. That’s great.

Sevan Matossian (10:31):

Dale, do you know Cobra? Rhode?

Dale Saran (10:34):

Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (10:36):

Andrew Rose. How do you know him from, from how do you know him? Uh,

Dale Saran (10:39):

Yeah. Through Travis. Yeah, through Travis, but he was at the games and then he, he and I hit it off. I he’s at my old hood. I think he’s from where I grew up. Where both out.

Sevan Matossian (10:55):

Wow. Dale, we might not be able to do this show.

Dale Saran (10:58):

Fuck. I’m sorry, man. I don’t. Know’s going on.

Sevan Matossian (11:03):

Hey, can you run a speed test real quick and see if shit’s weird.

Dale Saran (11:08):

How do I do that?

Sevan Matossian (11:09):

Um, you just open up a new tab and just type in speed test or then holy shit. We can see him now. We can, uh, going rogue with Sev. Is that at Bruce? Yeah, it’s a pretty cool, uh, she’s killing it actually. It’s not pretty cool. She’s just killing it. She’s just yanking shit. Loads of clips from the show and putting ’em up. I like it. I’m flattered by it.

Dale Saran (11:36):

I can see my speed.

Sevan Matossian (11:43):

Crazy. We can hear the cat better than you. We can’t hear you, but we can hear your cat.

Dale Saran (11:47):

<laugh> oh, now it’s up. It’s pretty good now.

Sevan Matossian (11:52):


Dale Saran (11:53):


Sevan Matossian (11:54):

I just don’t think we’re gonna be able to pull this off. It’s it’s it’s too. It’s too. Um, have you ever had this problem before at your house? Internet problem

Dale Saran (12:03):

Went wire and it’s been a pain in it’s been terrible and we did Google fiber and everything. And it’s all, you’re gone.

Sevan Matossian (12:19):

Five. I am sorry. All right. Uh, do you, I don’t know. Uh, I guess we could, I’m trying. I wanna reschedule, but what I, I don’t know. We gotta fix this problem. Should I send you outta cord? <laugh> do you wanna send me your address? How long? How far is the, is the, uh, router from where you can sit? How many feet? How many feet? Long ethernet cable do you need?

Dale Saran (12:43):

Dude? I was upstairs right next to it and it was shit.

Sevan Matossian (12:49):


Dale Saran (12:49):

So that means now I see you clear now.

Sevan Matossian (12:52):

Yeah. It’s just so choppy. It’s just so in and out and I feel bad with 13 minutes, that’s

Dale Saran (12:59):


Sevan Matossian (13:01):

Okay. Okay. Tell me now. You’re good. Okay. Tell me. So you’ve been watching the Facebook, uh, people getting booted off of social media.

Dale Saran (13:08):

Yeah. And, uh, so I’ve got a colleague who’s wants to, is just dying to Sue them and um, and uh, I’m, I’m all in I’m like as soon as we get the opportunity, but it looks like some state’s attorney, general Louisiana, and one other one, they just got expedited discovery against, uh, Twitter in, uh, case down in Louisiana just came out. The order came out like yesterday, the day before. And so expedited discover has been ordered against, uh, some of the social media companies. Now we’ll see if they take an appeal of that decision or whatever, but a judge down there, federal judge has said, yeah, they gotta, we’re gonna do this on an expedited basis in the same way that, uh, Twitter asked for an expedited trial against the Elon expedited, you know, move it forward and get that thing going. So it’s, it’s all

Sevan Matossian (13:51):

Fascinating. Cause okay. Let me ask, let me ask you some questions now. Damn you look good now. Okay. So, uh, a year ago I was like, um, fucked to people. Facebook is owned by someone. They can do whatever they want. If they only want black dudes on there, they can only have black dudes on there. If Twitter only wants fucking, um, uh, people who are highly medicated and lack comp any capability and just complete bitches, let it, let it be that who cares. And then someone said this to me and, and I I’m gonna say it so poorly and you’re gonna have to unfuck it. You can do that until you get in bed with the federal government. Once you get in bed with the federal government, you have to follow the rules of the constitution. And I go, I don’t understand. I’m just a dumb podcast host. Actually, I didn’t even have a podcast then. And they said, well, think of it this way. Uh, it’s the same thing with why Southwest didn’t want to enforce their pilots to take the, um, vaccine, but they had to because they have contracts with the federal government. So once you, so can you explain that to me somehow, social media’s in bed with the government. And so therefore they have to follow the rules of the government, which means you can’t just kick people off because they’re black or because they’re Jewish or because they’re against abortion.

Dale Saran (15:06):

I I’ll give it to you a better way. A better analogy is this. So suppose, suppose that, um, the federal government wanted to get info on you mm-hmm <affirmative> and, but they, they don’t have any reason to come after you. They got no, no basis. They couldn’t get a warrant. No probable cause. And so instead they got Haley one day in the parking lot of the grocery store. And they were like, Hey, listen,

Sevan Matossian (15:31):

I feel my blood boiling

Dale Saran (15:33):

<laugh>. And they said, I I’ve been in some of these cases. And they said, Hey, listen. They, they caught her doing something like she left, uh, the boys in the car while she went inside,

Sevan Matossian (15:43):

Okay. To the

Dale Saran (15:43):

Grocery store real quick, you know? And, and some cops were waiting for when she came out and they said, Hey, listen, Haley, we’re gonna take these kids away unless you agree, uh, to go through Chevy’s computer, here’s this, um, thing. We want you to install on his computer and this will download everything. And then, and then you give it back to her. So we’re gonna take your kids away at that point. She’s a government agent. And so she’s subject to all the same rules that the, the government would be. And so the, the constitution now applies, she’s working, you know, she might as well be a cop at that point,

Sevan Matossian (16:16):


Dale Saran (16:17):

If I’ve had cases like that, where sometimes it’s voluntary, where someone goes to the government and they go, I want to narc on my spouse. Yeah. And the government goes right on and they think, okay, this is great, cuz now we don’t have to get a warrant, but that <laugh> that’s, that’s not how it works. You know, the government you’re subject to those rules. It’s not the whole point of the constitution. Isn’t as long as the government finds a private actor to do what they want, they can get around the requirements of the constitution. It’s it’s about agency really at that point, you’re just an agent of the government. And so what, what I was amazed at, and this happened about, I dunno, six months ago, I forget what it was. But um, the white house press secretary got up and said in front of the entire American publish that the, the president of the United States and the administration was basically squeezing social media companies to punt people off. And you know yeah.

Sevan Matossian (17:09):

That was the redheaded. That was the redheaded lady. Right? Yeah.

Dale Saran (17:12):

And I, I sat there, watched it and I was like, I, I couldn’t believe it. I was in shock. I was like, did they just admit that it’s state action? And I thought the lawsuits are coming, but it’s amazing how cowed people are. I mean, it was an open

Sevan Matossian (17:24):

Admission. What’s that word mean? Cod

Dale Saran (17:26):

Cod, C O w E D.

Sevan Matossian (17:29):

What’s that mean how Cod people are, uh, people have been fat. Does that mean they’re fat?

Dale Saran (17:32):

<laugh> no intimidated. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (17:35):

Intimidated. Oh, uh, so what is, what is the, what, what relationship does Facebook and Twitter and Instagram, these companies have with the government that makes it so they can’t just indiscriminately kick people off that they have to follow the, the rules of the country.

Dale Saran (17:55):

Well, as soon as you’re doing, as soon as you’re doing the government’s bidding, if you are throttling people, you know, if it comes out yeah. Discovery that, Hey, we’re kick, we kicked savvy off because he said bad things about vaccines that we didn’t like. Right. And that’s a, that’s a clear first amendment violation. You know, if there’s evidence,

Sevan Matossian (18:12):

But if they’re a private company, they can do it. Right? Like, like there’s stores that say, Hey, you can’t come in unless you’re vaccinated. Yep.

Dale Saran (18:18):

Completely private company. And it was amazing to me because for years and years, you know,

Sevan Matossian (18:22):

But if it’s not private, if the government asked the store to do it,

Dale Saran (18:26):

It’s now we have a problem. The term we use, the legal term that, that they use, the legal term of art is what’s called state action. Okay. If you have state action, then now you’ve got a constitutional issue. If there’s state action, if there’s no state action. And by the way, this is funny because you know, I, I don’t know if you remember when on, uh, the CrossFit website way back in the day, you know, I was, I was pretty, you know, regular comments around there, um, way back in the day. And there were a bunch of people on there claiming that, oh, Greg, when he threw some people off and he, you know, uh, got rid of some comments, he had been pretty, they had Lynn and the moderators that had a pretty liberal policy about, Hey, kind of, you know, we’re free speech advocates.

Dale Saran (19:04):

So we’ll let most things, you know, they kinda let anything go on the site, but then there was this big blow up and, and Greg removed some comments. He had Lynn removed, some comments. People were like, oh, he a Nazi. He’s a, you know, what happened to the first amendment? And I happened to be on there. I was like, just what you’re talking about. I was like, brother, there’s no first amendment here. It’s his, it’s his website. He can, there’s no state action. Right. You know, so there’s, he can do what he wants on his website. He doesn’t have to let you come on there. You know, it’s only, now I will say this, there’s, there’s one other aspect to this that’s worth, at least considering. And that’s culturally, you know, if everybody says, if everybody’s about, um, not letting others, if every private company said, well, we’re not, you know, we can have only what we want on here.

Dale Saran (19:46):

And we’re gonna throttle speech. At some point, you have to ask yourself as a country. Do we really even have a first amendment anymore? If nobody, if nobody abides it and, and everybody’s fine with censorship, then do we really, we don’t have a culture that even protects that value. You know what I mean? Like it’s, and we’re getting there rapidly. I mean, the, the culture is swinging that way. Everybody’s like, ah, you know, if you say something, it offends me like, you know, you got comedians who won’t do their acts anymore. You’ve got, I mean, we, we really have become a sens kind of, uh, culture now, you know, God forbid you say something that offends me. I don’t want to hear it. Let’s stop talking. You know, it’s, it’s amazing. It’s amazing.

Sevan Matossian (20:27):

When the airline said, Hey, you can’t get on our flights without masks. Obviously that wasn’t true. And we could’ve proven it as a group. If everyone just said, okay, we’re not gonna fly anymore. Right. They would’ve quickly just, they would’ve quickly changed their tune. Yeah. It’s the same thing with, um, it’s the same thing with social media. I think. I mean, so many people like there’s so many good people. I know who keep telling me, Hey dude, don’t worry about the censorship. Just learn how to play the game. And I don’t know if that sits well with me.

Dale Saran (20:55):

No, it doesn’t with me either.

Sevan Matossian (20:56):


Dale Saran (20:57):

That’s not the answer.

Sevan Matossian (20:58):

Yeah. I don’t know if that’s, I don’t think that that so many people are like, Hey, you just gotta figure out the game. I, it, it’s kind of like, um, but I do do I do do it? The example I like to use all the time is there’s a good chance that this cell phone, um, is, is one as it’s being made, some kids are being killed, right? There’s some, some bad shit happening to kids. And yet I, and yet I still participate in it. It’s um, it’s a, it’s it’s, it’s, it’s weird.

Dale Saran (21:23):

Well, there’s a, you know, there’s, um, there’s actually a great legal case. That’s kind of related to this and it has to do with, how far do the harms have to, like, how much, how are, how much are you responsible for? How far does the chain of causation go?

Sevan Matossian (21:38):

Degrees of separation, right from the, yeah.

Dale Saran (21:40):

And so how much am I obligated to, you know, live in a cave so that I don’t, you know, hurt anyone anywhere, you know, by my consumption of a product or anything. I mean, at some point it’s, you could spend the rest of your life and, and, you know, never living in a Fairday cage and, and accomplish nothing. You know? So that’s not, that’s not

Sevan Matossian (22:00):

James there, James, that do that in India. I, I hung out with them. They actually sit, sit still in one spot and they wear masks. So they don’t breathe in bugs and kill bugs and they don’t walk around cuz they don’t wanna step on anything and hurt anything.

Dale Saran (22:11):

Yeah. Yeah. I get that. I,

Sevan Matossian (22:13):

I get that sounds horrible.

Dale Saran (22:14):

No, I get the right, but

Sevan Matossian (22:15):

I get it. I get it. But it sounds horrible, but I get,

Dale Saran (22:17):

Well, it’s like my, I, I, it’s the kind of the same thing I have with vegans. You know, if I recognize like ethically speaking, they’re like, Hey, I, you know, I don’t eat meat because it kills a sentient being and all that. And I’m like, okay, Roger, I, I, you know, enjoy the Lina and say, I, I’m not gonna, I don’t have anything to answer for those people. I don’t make fun of ’em, you know, cuz ethically I’m down with it. But I’m like, listen man, bacon, you know, sorry, just, you know, and, and uh, but you know, we all have our, we all drive same with

Sevan Matossian (22:45):

Pro-choice same with pro-choice people. I understand you wanna kill the baby so you can, um, you’re only 18 years old and you wanna keep going to the club and doing ecstasy and, and sucking dudes dicks. I totally get it. So you just kill the baby. I get it. Vegans. I get it.

Dale Saran (22:58):

Yeah. Right. And Hey, it’s a, it’s a, how, how, where does your moral, where do you draw your moral lines?

Sevan Matossian (23:04):


Dale Saran (23:05):

You know, after I started scuba diving, this will sound funny. I started scuba diving and you know what I couldn’t and I won’t eat anymore. Kmar octopus.

Sevan Matossian (23:13):


Dale Saran (23:14):


Sevan Matossian (23:15):

The, the, the little octopus.

Dale Saran (23:17):

Yeah. I won’t eat

Sevan Matossian (23:18):

’em because you, you were swimming around with them and you like ’em too much. They’re

Dale Saran (23:21):

They’re so intelligent. They’re highly evolved, intelligent species. And so I just I’m like, that’s essential being it’s the same reason. Know this is a really interesting, you’ll love this one. This is,

Sevan Matossian (23:30):

And you know what, even how they serve that shit. It’s deep fried. I would eat deep fried penis. I mean, it’s like, anything is good. Deep fried. It’s like kind of a joke. Yeah.

Dale Saran (23:39):


Sevan Matossian (23:39):

Just deep fry, something else and tell me it’s calamari

Dale Saran (23:42):

<laugh> right, right. Use shark. And tell me that it’s Colmar. That’d be cool. You know, but not, not octopus. They’re smart. They’re intelligent beings. They really are. But there’s um, um, oh, where was I? I was gonna,

Sevan Matossian (23:56):

I love this internet connection. Yeah. This

Dale Saran (23:58):

Is better, huh?

Sevan Matossian (23:59):

Yeah. Easy things. Don’t come cheap. Look, we had to just hang out for 12 minutes before we got you about

Dale Saran (24:04):


Sevan Matossian (24:04):

I would eat a deep fried penis. Yes. Will. If, if it means saving thousands of these smart beat, if it would make Dale happy

Dale Saran (24:11):

That’s right. No, but I, you know, after diving I was like, ah, your eyes are open. You’re like I had a buddy who told me the same thing. He worked in a slaughter house, you know? And he was like, bro, I’ll never, don’t eat baloney. You know, don’t have the hot dogs <laugh> oh, you know? And I’m like, oh really? I love hot dogs. He’s like, no, whatever you do, don’t do that.

Sevan Matossian (24:30):

Uh, I like this thing, you brought up about degrees of separation for cause and effect. Cuz I was actually thinking about it this morning in the shower. So if we have police, there is a mathematical, um, there’s, there’s a mathematical calculation. We have 900,000, uh, police officers in the United States or something like that. And let’s say they’re all armed. There becomes a mathematical calculation where um, someone is gonna accidentally get shot either. The gun’s gonna go off when he sits down on it, when he is loading it, he’s gonna shoot the wrong person. Yeah. There’s gonna be an accident. Yeah. There’s gonna be an accident. It just it’s. It’s the, it’s the same thing with you. Can’t administer um, uh, a vaccine to everyone on the planet. This let’s say it’s the safest vaccine in the world. A needle is gonna break off in someone’s arm. There is gonna be a bad batch. So someone’s going to die even if, just because of the sheer numbers we’re dealing with. Yeah. There’s going to be an, a pallet of the vaccines is gonna fall off a truck and kill someone. I guarantee you it’s happened, right? Yeah. Like you name it. And there, I mean, people have killed themselves falling on the fork while they’re eating fucking, you know, uh, uh, their dinner. It happens.

Sevan Matossian (25:35):

But there are things like this thing I was, I was looking up just now. Um, when you MI uh, when you mix alcohol and guns, the, the second you start drinking alcohol, even if you’re nowhere near a gun, the chances of you being shot, skyrocket, skyrocket. Yeah. Like if I had a drink right now, just sitting next to you, <laugh> percentage while I’m on the phone with you, there’s not a gun, you know, my gun’s locked up in my house. Yeah. But, but all of a sudden, the second I start drinking it, I could mathematically explain to you how 87000%, my chances of getting shot go

Dale Saran (26:10):

Up. There’s a whole bunch of things like that.

Sevan Matossian (26:12):

Yeah. It’s, it’s a trip, right?

Dale Saran (26:14):

Yeah. Like, like, uh, driving a motorcycles. Greg used to talk about this. Driving a motorcycle is, you know, it’s got some inherent danger. I mean, it’s not, you know, like if you go down, man, there’s nothing between you and the pavement, you know, you know, we both right. And uh, and yet there’s a bunch of things you can do that. Statistically reduce your risks. Like everything. It’s really funny. If you look at it to the course that you take, California has that motorcycle course. I mean, you take it, they show you that each of these things cut your risk in half. So like if you wear a helmet, you know, you’ve just decreased your risk by 50%, you know, uh, if you wear a full face helmet, you know, you’ve taken another 50% of that. You know, if you wear <laugh>, if you wear riding leathers, you wear boots, you wear gloves, don’t drink. And, and all of a sudden motorcycle riding goes, you know, it’s like a, not a fairly benign, you know, endeavor. You can make yourself a lot safer, but man, add boost to it. And your risk is now about a, a millionfold of being a, you know, eventually being an organ donor. That’s how that works out.

Sevan Matossian (27:14):

I think you’ll, you’ll like this story, Greg text, Dave and I and said, I’m going to the Harley Davidson dealership in Monterey. Do you guys wanna come with me? And, and a was like, I don’t at the time he was like 12, not 18 months old. And I said, oh, I can’t go with you guys. I’m taking ay to ballet class now at 18 months, um, ballet, soccer, football, karate, whatever you put your kid in, they all look the same. There’s no distinction. It’s the same dumb shit. They do. They kids play. It’s so stupid. Yeah. It’s cool. But, but it’s stupid. And so it, it, so I say, oh, I can’t, I’m going. So Dave calls me, he goes, Hey, dumb, fuck. Greg’s not asking us like to go to the motorcycle shop to hang out with him. Like he we’re gonna go there and he is gonna get us a motorcycle.

Dale Saran (28:05):

<laugh> Hey dude, he had it

Sevan Matossian (28:06):

Figured out. Yeah. I go, Hey dude, I’m doing shit with my family. I’m not fucking going.

Dale Saran (28:10):

Oh shit,

Sevan Matossian (28:11):

Fucking two hours later, Dave standing by a $55,000, fully loaded, fucking most expensive Harley Davidson in the fucking place. <laugh> he’s like, yeah, I hope you dumb fuck that, that ballet class was worth $50,000. He’s all you could have put, got it. Fucking bought the bike, come home and sold it and had to pay for your kids ballet till these fucking 25.

Dale Saran (28:29):

I think I

Sevan Matossian (28:30):

Remember that. I never made that mistake again. And what made me think of that is, you know, I did, I immediately went out and took the two day, um, uh, motorcycle class so that I would’ve a motorcycle license in anywhere. I, and, and I ended up getting some motorcycles

Dale Saran (28:44):

Out of it. Yeah. I remember that. I never did, but I wound up buying one, but uh,

Sevan Matossian (28:50):

Oh, you paid for that giant one you had,

Dale Saran (28:52):

Oh yeah.

Sevan Matossian (28:53):

Oh, you’re a good dude. Those things were crazy. Mm-hmm <affirmative> did you ever put that big one down?

Dale Saran (29:00):

I never laid that one down. No,

Sevan Matossian (29:02):

No. I dropped. I dropped, uh, two of my bikes. It sucked, I never dropped my Harley, but I had this big, huge Africa twin. Oh. And I fell over on it and you wanna know it’s worse. Right, right. When it fell over Dale a about a week before it fell over, uh, Tyson Android said, Hey, bring your motorcycle into the gym at HQ and we’ll lay it down and I’ll teach you how to stand it up. And I’m like, no, I’m not doing that. Well a week later, this thing fucking falls over in downtown Santa Cruz. And I can’t lift it up. And a dude in a fucking, a dude in a Prius stops and gets out in his three piece suit. <laugh>

Dale Saran (29:45):

No, that’s a bummer. I had to help someone, uh, at HQ who dropped a big, heavy Harley at a stop sign, just it, you know, stopped and all of a sudden, oh shit. And poop over it went, fell over.

Sevan Matossian (29:55):

Yeah. I think, I think I know who it is. Yeah.

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