#495 – Team Division: All You Need To Know ft. James Hobart & Brian Friend

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam more live,

Brian Friend (00:03):

Barely made it

Sevan Matossian (00:06):

Having a tough morning boys. I’m having a tough morning.

James Hobart (00:09):


Sevan Matossian (00:11):

Because I can’t figure out whether Bigfoot has hair or fur and, and, and he has both and all my bigoted friends, just tell me that gen that, uh, that Bigfoot doesn’t exist. And it’s just, it really disappoints me.

James Hobart (00:26):

He has both,

Sevan Matossian (00:27):

Oh, good.

Brian Friend (00:28):

You’ve run this, this topic by a lot of people already this morning.

Sevan Matossian (00:31):

Oh, it’s been just, I called like 300 people this morning. And, and, and, and, and you know what, like I just realized that most of my friends are bigots. Cuz they think Bigfoot, did you

Brian Friend (00:39):

Get a call? James

Sevan Matossian (00:39):

Doesn’t exist. No friends, no we’re

James Hobart (00:41):

Not friends.

Brian Friend (00:42):

Yeah. I was gonna say me neither

Sevan Matossian (00:44):

Friends. And, and, and then, and then I followed up with who would win in a fight, Superman or Batman. And they’re like, Seon, that doesn’t exist. That only exist between your ears. It’s not real. And, and I just, and I fuck these people. I hate them. Wish the Supreme court would pass law and put them in jail.

James Hobart (01:02):

They, the Supreme court just might,

Sevan Matossian (01:04):

Uh, careful James, it’s my show.

James Hobart (01:09):

Right? You’re right.

Sevan Matossian (01:11):

Uh, good morning. The teams may never, ever reached this status ever again. Then again, I never thought that there would be a Matt Fraser or a T Tomi after what we saw rich do. Did, did dude, did dude do, did, uh, done it? Uh, but uh, the, when we had, uh, Annie Thor’s daughter on this podcast, she said that there was a nostalgia, an ex exciting component to being out on the floor once again with rich. And I think that’s super cool. And I think for me, that is going to be, uh, I, I just watched, um, Raco Vi’s, uh, video that they put out, uh, the training, it looks like the training plan sponsors at YME tining in as their coach. And, uh, they made a 27 minute video that shows, uh, to Porter Lauren Fisher, Annie THS letter and Borman, Carl Goodmanson who looks like a damn model. Um, they should make him the next James Bond or something. He should be well that’s good movies. Yeah, he is. So he’s so handsome. Yeah. And, and he, and he looks like a drawing. He’s like, even his blemishes look fake.

James Hobart (02:15):

He’s too skinny though. You know, he’s not, and he’s not defined enough. Like I think his physi

Sevan Matossian (02:19):

Is work

Speaker 4 (02:21):


Sevan Matossian (02:22):

Ah, ah, we just put him in a chloric deficit for, you know, a few days.

Speaker 4 (02:30):


Brian Friend (02:31):

No chance.

Sevan Matossian (02:33):

Um, uh, so, um, it, it’s gonna be, it’s gonna be great watching, watching these guys out there after watching that video, I never thought, uh, uh, RA Vic would have a chance, but, but I got a little proximity bias cause I watched that video last night and now I think that they, they might have a chance. Um, my first question is to you, uh, and so it’s gonna be exciting this year. I think this is the year. If you wanna put your toe in the water with the, with the teams, I think this is the year we’re we’re finally there. It’s it’s reached that status. Um, James, I believe that Bigfoot has fur. No, I believe that, um, that the teams have an easy way out component to them. Not a lot, but the, because just that you can hide and you’ve done both at the highest level, you’ve done individual, but that just, that there’s a way you can hide the implications are that rich, phony went team so that he could get a little more free time with his kids, maybe a lot of more free time. Um, what can you tell us what the difference is? Is there a difference?

James Hobart (03:42):

I mean, when I competed to answer your first question to hide, I think they’re doing a better job in terms of programming events. So it’s harder to hide the Syncro stuff, the amount of worm stuff we see and, um, you see less and less of sort of like, uh, the relay style stuff. I mean, it still pops up, especially at the games across events, but you see a lot more events and you see so much more, like I said, of the, the team based Syncro or worm stuff that I think it’s way harder to hide people. Um, they’re getting better at that.

Brian Friend (04:11):

James, is there a potentially a perspective that you could hide more on a worm than you could in a relay if you’re in a relay you’re forced to do all the work of your section in that relay.

James Hobart (04:21):

Yeah. That’s a really

Sevan Matossian (04:22):

Good point. And you can see whether you do good for your ad time for your team or lose time for your team.

James Hobart (04:27):

But I feel like you could, uh, if you had like three hammers on your team, you could maybe really make up for somebody, um, in a relay or something like that. Whereas like on the worm, if someone’s gonna drop the worm, cuz they’re not as fit as everybody else, like you can’t, the entire team basically has to stop doing reps. Um, that’s kind of my thought process behind that.

Brian Friend (04:46):

Yeah. I mean there, there have been a, a lot of scrutiny or surrounding team programming and how much of each style of workout is appropriate. And I think that, you know, we, we talked about it in semifinals sometimes. Like, you know, they, they were mandated to have six tests and some of the competitions had one worm test outta six. I thought that was too low. You know, if you had four, that’d probably be too many. And by the same token, I felt like if you had, you know, like I think both of the CrossFit pre-programmed workouts, uh, oh no. One of them was obviously just lifting and then a lot of other ones had a relay in addition to that. So you had two outta six where it was just you on the floor by yourself doing something. And again, I I’m also, I’m not sure if that’s necessary in a six event test, but if you’re talking about the games where there’s likely around 12, you might see that two times. And I think that’s okay.

James Hobart (05:33):

Yeah. And I think, you know, where that really stands out as I was looking at, uh, last year’s, even this year’s open rankings of teams and then where they end up if they do where they end up at the games, if they actually make to the games. And it seems like open performance, except for somebody like maybe the top two teams correlates doesn’t correlate as well as semi-final performance with games performance. And I think that’s cuz in the open, you really don’t see a lot of those classic, um, pieces of equipment, like a worm or something like that. But um, yeah. I see your point there. I’d like to see, I like seeing, I don’t know, I don’t love watching the Syncro stuff and that’s cuz I think some of it is getting so hard is, is very challenging to judge and um, and I think that will get better, but like there was a, I think it was, um, was it at not Atlas games, maybe granite games. There was like a four person. Was it like a four person wall ball shot? Is that at the granite games? I don’t know. It just looked ridiculously hard to judge. It was like that kind of stuff. Isn’t my favorite event from a, from a team perspective. I think the best team still wins, but I don’t know about second through five. So

Sevan Matossian (06:39):

Wa zombie, this is not the news. Hobart’s just putting his toe in the water. The news would be, uh, getting in naked. He’s not, not quite there

James Hobart (06:47):

Wa zombie’s been really, it was really sweet to me on Instagram the other day flirting a little bit.

Sevan Matossian (06:50):

Wow. What

James Hobart (06:52):

Was your other question Sivan? Is it, oh, it’s easier than an individual.

Sevan Matossian (06:57):

Maybe. Maybe there’s a, maybe it’s not that you can truly hide, but there’s a psychological component, um, of, of thinking you’re gonna hide meaning it because, so if you watch that video that uh, the training plan put out and it shows the rake of it team, there’s also, it’s also a thread of Borgan and the entire time Borgan stressed to the max and these other guys have each other. It’s kind of like when I discipline my kids, when I discipline all three of ’em, it’s not as, it doesn’t seem as severe as when I say it. And like someone just imagines if they had one kid cuz they all three have each other, Hey, go outside and, and run 20 laps around the house. Well the three of them have each other, you send one kid out there to do it. And it seems a little more severe because he’s isolated. He doesn’t have the camaraderie with the others. So maybe people join team and they think that they do it for a little bit of psychological relief, but it doesn’t, it’s not really easier physically.

James Hobart (07:47):

Yeah. There’s definitely a diffusion of responsibility.

Sevan Matossian (07:50):

Yeah. What did you use? You say smart shit. Diffusion of responsibility.

James Hobart (07:54):

<laugh> yeah, like there’s more team, you know, it’s like, it’s less on me on a team. Um, and I also think like it’s easier to get to the games as a team and take last place than it would be as an individual and take last place as an individual. Like I think that’s a fair statement. Um, and I don’t know what that actually says about the difficulty between the two, but I definitely think that’s the case. I, you know, from my experience and um, I was, I definitely was never gonna be a standout individual games athlete. Um, and so I’d found more success on the teams that way, but from a train

Brian Friend (08:27):

Pause, theres, he was hoping he would say, yeah, yes, you were

Sevan Matossian (08:29):

James I’m, I’m going to, I’m making a note. I’m

James Hobart (08:32):

Going to say that

Sevan Matossian (08:32):


James Hobart (08:33):

My, um, my point is that, uh, I forgot now, oh, that I trained way harder. We trained way harder, more on team than I ever did as an individual. And so the point is I think if you wanna win as a team, it’s still really, really hard. You know, I think all the stress is there. All the, you know, the physical implications are there as far as, um, improving and being able to stand on the top of the

Brian Friend (08:59):

Podiums. Do you know? I don’t think that the award existed at the time of, um, of most improved, but I think that James might have been a strong candidate for it.

James Hobart (09:08):


Sevan Matossian (09:09):

What was his lowest ranking at the games?

Brian Friend (09:11):

His first ranking was 70th

James Hobart (09:14):

Low the

Brian Friend (09:15):

Flow. And then he, he came back the next year and finished 18.

Sevan Matossian (09:18):

How, how do you finish 70th outta 40?

James Hobart (09:21):

No, this was um, this 2009.

Brian Friend (09:23):

Yeah, there were 74. Oh

Sevan Matossian (09:25):

Wow. Wow.

Brian Friend (09:26):

Yeah, he beat four guys, including Dutch, low L Lowy.

Sevan Matossian (09:29):

Wow. I should get Dutch on the show. I haven’t talked to him in 10 years or 15 years, uh, James, but

Brian Friend (09:35):

Stepping in the 70th 18th. I mean that is a really substantial change in one year

Sevan Matossian (09:39):

And it is weird. I agree. And it is weird to hear it is weird to hear James say, um, uh, I wasn’t to standout because as long as you’re not, if you make it to the games and you’re not from one of those continents that just hasn’t developed CrossFit, yet God I’m being nice this morning. Um, then I think you are a standout, uh, James, and also if someone is looking for reprieve or for some diffusion of responsibility, the teams you don’t go to are a team that has richer Annie on it. Yeah. Because, because there may even be more added pressure there. Right. Because now, now you have, you have the greatest standing next to you in both circumstances.

James Hobart (10:20):

Yeah. I think if, I think if you wanna win, like all of the, the stresses and difficulties are there, I, you know, it’s, I just don’t think that stuff goes away if yeah. Like I said, if you want to go out on a team and just have fun and show up and it’s, it’s probably easier to make to the games on a team than is in, it is easier to make to the games on a team than individual. But if you want go and win, it’s not easy by any means.

Sevan Matossian (10:43):

Well, the math just makes it easier, right? Four people, a team, 40 teams, that’s 160 people versus a hundred, four, a hundred, uh, as opposed to 40 and well, I guess 80 because men and women, but then on also you’ve taken out all the best people theor theoretically. So of course it’s gonna be easier. Uh, rich has put this, this team that’s um, I’m gonna ask you a question about rich phony. Maybe you can answer for him. Rich has put this team together to win true or false.

James Hobart (11:12):


Sevan Matossian (11:13):

Uh, but, but Annie’s team is not put together to win.

James Hobart (11:18):

Why do you say that?

Sevan Matossian (11:18):

You know what? Because she doesn’t have rich has the best women and the best dude you could like we could split hair something like, no, we didn’t get Justin.

James Hobart (11:27):

You said that to Andy. Have you said that to Annie? Like, Hey, rich has the best. Have you said that to arguably one of the best female CrossFiters ever like rich has the best women and you don’t Annie?

Sevan Matossian (11:37):

No, no, not, I don’t mean just the best women. I mean, he, this team rich, if, if rich thought one of these people on his team would, let me ask you this question. Do you think if rich thought one of these people on his team was the weak link, he would toss ’em if, if someone better was available. I’m just saying that. Yeah. I think Annie probably could, if she could have possibly found better people than comp Porter, Lauren Fisher and um, um, um, uh Tola.

James Hobart (12:08):

Yeah. I don’t know if that says much, like you, you you’d you’d fill your team with better people if you could find them. But I think Annie went out and picked the best people that she believed she could for that team. Like, I don’t, I don’t think anyone on that team is, I don’t think she’s looking at her team and, and thinking these aren’t the best that I could get.

Sevan Matossian (12:28):

Right. Okay. Okay. Fair fair. I don’t know. As I say that she

James Hobart (12:33):

Herself that way, you

Sevan Matossian (12:34):

Know? Yeah. And as I say it, I can’t think of anyone that pops in my head that I’m like, okay, this person’s better than Lauren Fisher. This person’s better than to this. Person’s better than Porter. I can’t think of anyone. I mean that guy, but he’s going individual.

James Hobart (12:45):

Yeah. What are they doing? <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (12:52):

I don’t understand this game. What is this? What is this game? You put water in your mouth and then you hit someone. Oh, sh oh shit. I slapped. You told and then spit on you. Wow. Isn’t Bjork. Aren’t isn’t the person to get slapped. Supposed to be the one that spits he slapped to and spit on him.

Brian Friend (13:10):

I think cuz he slapped toll and Toula did not move at all.

James Hobart (13:13):

<laugh> I, I think it’s, I haven’t um, interacted with Tola a bunch. I’ve met him a few times in, in my experience. He seems like the nicest person on the planet. So it’s just funny to watch BKG slap.

Sevan Matossian (13:24):

Look at BJ. BKG hits like my,

Brian Friend (13:28):


James Hobart (13:28):

Face. What is wrong with people? Oh man. I love the internet.

Sevan Matossian (13:33):

Look. They don’t even wanna hit each other. Look how nice Lauren is her. Look at, look at, look at Borgan hits like my wife.

James Hobart (13:39):


Sevan Matossian (13:39):

This look at look, watch, watch his shot on to look at, look at it’s like, oh, Hey Simon,

James Hobart (13:46):

If I Simon, if I fly out to your house, can you and I do this face

Sevan Matossian (13:49):

Toto face. Oh yes.

James Hobart (13:51):

Put promise.

Sevan Matossian (13:51):


James Hobart (13:52):

Oh hell

Sevan Matossian (13:53):

Yeah. Yes, yes,

James Hobart (13:54):

Yes. Done deal.

Sevan Matossian (13:57):

Yes. And, and I wanted to put jalapeno water, blend jalapenos in water in her mouth. So we spit on each other. Our eyes burn. It’s like, it’s like a pep there’s this pepper spray component.

James Hobart (14:05):

I like it.

Sevan Matossian (14:07):

Um, oh man. Brian, Brian, who, who are there contenders this year or is there just is, is, is, are the team, do the teams have a, um, Tia to me, uh, component? Or is it more like the men? Let, let’s assuming that Tia has a better chance of winning than Justin Maderas. Where does the, where does, where do the teams play out in respect to uh, rich phoning is Tia. Does it go Tia, Justin and then team mayhem. Or does team mayhem have a better chance of winning than either Justin or, uh, Tia?

Brian Friend (14:36):

I put ’em in the middle. I, I would say Tia’s the best lock of the three then mayhem and then Justin.

Sevan Matossian (14:43):

Oh shit. What do you think about that? Uh, Hobart.

James Hobart (14:46):

I think that’s fair.

Sevan Matossian (14:47):


Brian Friend (14:47):

Do. And it’s not. Yeah, I agree. It’s not a, it’s not a knock on mayhem at all.

Sevan Matossian (14:52):

No, no, no. I, I don’t. I think it’s a knock on my boy, Justin, this

Brian Friend (14:55):

Is how good. No, it’s not a knock on him for sure. Uh it’s uh, it’s just a, that that’s how good Tia is. I’ve been like, you know, I see the morning Choa put at this thing that 95% of people so far I’ve picked her to win of their top five, whatever they’re doing. And like these other 5% of people, they’re just either friends of someone are delusional. There’s nothing. There is nothing I’ve looked and tried to find. It. There’s nothing that suggests that anyone has a chance against Tia, but it’s not that much different for mayhem. Despite the fact that there are a handful of really, really good teams in this division. In fact, I personally am interested in up to maybe 20 teams that are competing this year. There’s, there’s no one that’s on par with mayhem, in my opinion. Um, most of the years that they’ve competed, you could look at their roster and say, there’s the chink in the armor and this year. And it’s usually the second guy and this year, the second guy just podium Deza and he’s an absolute beast. Who’s taken the time, this year away from his family to do this with them. It’s the best sidekick, if you will, in terms of a man that, that I think James has, uh, uh, rich has ever had alongside him.

Sevan Matossian (16:04):

I think rich thinks that too. Sorry, James. And, uh, and, and, uh, and Samwell is a mental giant. Also. He is a, that brain, his appears to be a steel trap.

James Hobart (16:14):

He’s like a physicist or something.

Sevan Matossian (16:16):

No, he, he just his, his head game. He just seems, I mean, that guy thinks he can go out and win the games. He thinks that if he, if you put him in the individual right now, he’d go out and win he’s he’s supremely confident.

Brian Friend (16:27):

He thinks that unless you also put rich in the field, then he thinks he’d get second.

Sevan Matossian (16:31):

Right. Right, right. Uh, and, and do we, do we see that confidence, um, from, uh, RAIC

Brian Friend (16:40):

Well, I, you know, honestly, the OVC team in a way reminds me of the brute team from 2017 where like they have assembled themselves and their mission is to Deone the champs. And I know that, um, you know, some people have seen performances of their sprinkled in throughout the season that are like, Nope, look at that. They did bad on that one workout. And you can’t do that badly on one workout and have a chance against mayhem. But in all of those cases, there are other little nuances going on, whether it was dim testing, something out, or one of their athletes, maybe not being at a hundred percent that year. I mean, Lauren has been progressively improving throughout the season as she recovers from, uh, the elbow thing that she had going on. And I, you know, watched them in person and, uh, the, in the am in Amsterdam at the, at the lowland Throwdown. And I was extremely impressed with every single one of them individually and their teamwork. And I think that those things will all only be better versions of that in a couple weeks. Uh, this is the biggest threat to mayhem that they’ve had since 2017.

Sevan Matossian (17:45):

When I see Annie out there, I definitely see a, um, the star component of her and the energy she brings to the team in, in the footage. They just look different. And when she’s out there and she’s waving to the crowd, she there’s an aura about her that also rich has that a few others have, uh, that, um, that I’m assuming that everyone on their team feels and elevates their performance too. Um, do you think that they believe they can beat, uh, RAIC Hobart? Uh, they can beat, um, uh, mayhem. Do you think RAIC believes it can beat mayhem?

James Hobart (18:17):

Yeah. I don’t think you go out there and do what they’re trying to do, unless you think that,

Sevan Matossian (18:22):

Uh, Sam cop Alpine RAIC, doesn’t have a chance. It’s all social media hype, a hype.

James Hobart (18:27):

There you go. Maybe they don’t believe it. No, I don’t. I think you take that time to put that team together and, and they’ve made those commitments to go, you know, move halfway across the world. Um, I think you have to believe that.

Sevan Matossian (18:40):

I, I guess you could just look at it like this, if you say that, um, if you say that, uh, Annie and Lauren Fisher are better than Taylor and, uh, Nestler, then you could say that rich and Samwell are better than Tola and Khan. And you have a wash. We have a fight on our hands.

James Hobart (19:01):

We know I was thinking about this. Um,

Sevan Matossian (19:02):

No, Brian, go ahead. Go ahead. Hobart.

James Hobart (19:04):

Sorry. No, no, no. Let Brian go. You want him to talk clearly?

Sevan Matossian (19:07):

No, no, I don’t. I don’t go ahead. Sorry. Sorry.

James Hobart (19:08):

No, I was gonna ask Brian.

Sevan Matossian (19:09):

I was into his eyes when I spoke. I,

James Hobart (19:12):

I was gonna ask Brian this question in that, obviously I let’s say that you compare, you know, you had all the ladies compete and Annie would be the fittest individual female out of the entire group. Let’s just say, but is there, you know, is there a stark difference between fitness needed to be the best individual and fitness needed to be the best athlete on the team and which team has that better? You know, I, I wonder how much that is a thing and how much that matters here, or do you think that matters?

Brian Friend (19:39):

Well, and in this, in this case, you know, I think Andrea and Nestler and Taylor Williamson are very different. I, I think Andrea is an athlete. You could pull out of the team competition and insert into the individual competition and she would do very well and BA and basically all of her performances support that from the open through times that she’s competed in, uh, sanctional over the years when she’s done granite games in the past as an outta season competition. Now she’s always, she’s always hung in there. And Taylor Williamson is, it is to my opinion, like the epitome of a, of a, what you want in a female team athlete, where she’s still gonna do okay. In individual competitions. But she really, really, her skill sets lend themselves to the team division very well because she’s, uh, she does have a couple, I would say she has a couple weaknesses relative to her strengths that Andrea’s more balanced across the board.

Brian Friend (20:32):

Um, and those weaknesses are a lot easier to, you know, to your point, Sevan, to mask over the course of an entire competition. When in the team division, additionally, she’s really good with, with the worm. And so she can carry a lot of the burden there and, and even so for the men, sometimes you can see her slot to the, to the back of the worm. I think she could probably even do the front if she wanted to. So I think Taylor’s, you know, the, the compliment of them is really good, but she, especially in the team side of things is a very, very valuable asset.

Sevan Matossian (21:03):

God dang. Did you see her body? These and the, the, that she’s a, she’s a statue Taylor.

Brian Friend (21:12):

Yeah. You know,

Sevan Matossian (21:13):

I wanna see her next to Amanda Barnhart. I mean, she looks, she looks, uh, she looks fitter than rich. She looks, I want her body before I take Rich’s body.

Brian Friend (21:21):

One of you know, one of the other things about the team competition and James, you might have a

Sevan Matossian (21:25):

<laugh> dude, look at her legs, look at her ass to her knee. What is that one called the femur <laugh> it’s longer than my fucking leg.

James Hobart (21:35):


Brian Friend (21:35):

Man, she’s taller. She’s quite a bit taller.

Sevan Matossian (21:39):

She’s bigger than rich. They got rich in the front because he’s the fucking little crumb.

Brian Friend (21:43):

Well, the, the point I was trying to make here is that height on a team, I think is an important factor. And you don’t wanna have outliers that are too tall or too short. And Andrea is more or less the average height of, of the most of the men in the field. You can see here, she’s probably five, nine or five, 10. Andrea’s a little shorter, but she’s not, she’s not shorter than five six. And so they don’t have a lot of disparity from tallest to shortest on their team, which helps when you do have anything that requires Syncro and range of motion, obviously the worm, but also anything like a wall while we were talking about earlier, um, or even something like, uh, a gymnastics move where you don’t have to compensate as much for those big lever differences that I see sometimes show up on other teams.

Sevan Matossian (22:24):

Uh, um, uh, can you go back to that warm a little bit? I wanna just, this is getting into some granular shit and I apologize, but I’ve always wondered this. Um, how, how did they pick the order? What, what’s the, tell me about a little bit about the worm. We’re gonna see that in the games, right?

Brian Friend (22:40):


Sevan Matossian (22:41):

What, what’s the strategy with the worm? Is it different for different movements? Like, so basically they’re in order of height there. Right? Is, is that what? No, not quite

Brian Friend (22:50):

No. James, I’ve never done this. Let me tell you what I think. And then James can tell me if I’m right or wrong about it. Okay. Okay. I, I kind of view it almost as a relay, like what, you know, where you’re gonna put your best and worst at the, at the ends, but in this case, I think they also, most of the teams like to op alternate by sex. So you have your best male with that implement in the front, your best female in the back. And then the other two, just filter it.

James Hobart (23:15):

Yeah. Cuz in the past, the way the bags were weighted, it was like they were alternating in terms of like heaviest Sal light. Um,

Sevan Matossian (23:20):

No shit. I didn’t know that really.

James Hobart (23:23):

The front was typically the heaviest and um, it definitely is noticeable. Like the front definitely feels heavier in a lot of cases and you’ll probably see teams and I know I’ve seen mayhem do this, switch out this at semi-finals and other teams switch out the front person once in a while. Cause there’s, it’s definitely a little bit heavier. Um, I don’t think that, you know, it seems like a great, wait

Sevan Matossian (23:42):

A sec, James, wait a sec. Wait a sec. So there’s, there’s two, there’s an idea you proposed there. You said it used to be that the, the bags alternated weight, they don’t anymore. Yeah. Regardless of that, the front always seems a little bit heavier.

James Hobart (23:54):

I think they still do. I think the front is still the heaviest bag, but I think now it’s more, they were, um, I figure, forget what the weights were, but it was like heaviest to light and the differences weren’t enormous, but it was noticeable, especially in the front. Um, I think the more important thing is what Brian said and this shouldn’t, it’s a super tiny point, but it shouldn’t be lost in anybody. I think teams who have similar Heights have a distinct advantage on the worm, um, far and away. And so that is something that helps mayhem here. But

Sevan Matossian (24:28):

Uh, um, when was, this is one day ago. I want you to watch Nestler’s feet, man. We’re really,

James Hobart (24:33):

I saw her, she stands like kitty cornered

Sevan Matossian (24:35):

And then heel what going on.

Brian Friend (24:37):

No, she’s her right foot.

Sevan Matossian (24:38):

She’s hurt. She’s hurt.

Brian Friend (24:41):

It’s not necessarily that she’s hurt. So I have to do this. We with a single arm, overhead dumbbell squat on one side of my body. But yeah, you can see it there, James, her right. Foot’s coming

James Hobart (24:50):

Up. Yeah, absolutely.

Sevan Matossian (24:52):

She doesn’t care too. I mean, she’s working it. You can see, by the way, she makes the little micro adjustment she’s working it. She’s figuring something out. See that she’s the only person making adjustments on the fly. I think she’s hurt, man.

James Hobart (25:04):

I don’t know if she’s hurt. She just might not have that ankle range of motion there

Sevan Matossian (25:08):

Injured 25 minutes into the Chevon podcast. July 19th, breaking news. Andrew Misler is

James Hobart (25:12):

Injured. When, when was this posted?

Sevan Matossian (25:16):

Uh, it looks like one day ago or was edited one day ago.

James Hobart (25:20):

I actually, I’ve never paid that kind of close attention to our other workouts. And this seems like a silly thing to talk about for more than two minutes, but I’d definitely watch them do other warm workouts. Like I’ve seen a lot of athletes when they do pistols or single arm, overhead squats, things like that, where the heel comes up off the ground, cuz they don’t have the ankle flexibility or ha whatever flexibility to get down there. So,

Sevan Matossian (25:40):

Oh, look at Matt doing some sleuthing, doing some sleuthing. Okay. So we didn’t really make any, any, any, any progress on, on why them, they they’re in that order. Other than the front bag is generally feels heavier regardless if it is or isn’t and if you are all the same height, um, you do have an advantage row four. Oh you can buy one of these things.

James Hobart (26:09):

Yeah. So it’s it alternates 170. I think somebody already said that in the comments.

Sevan Matossian (26:13):

Mm-hmm <affirmative> I, I think this is one of those things. If you buy you regret buying <laugh>

James Hobart (26:18):

Yeah. A hundred percent.

Sevan Matossian (26:19):

It just takes off room in

James Hobart (26:21):

Your, unless you’re a games team.

Sevan Matossian (26:24):

Holy cow. What, what is, what is the thing? Do we know for sure this is Rich’s last year.

James Hobart (26:31):


Sevan Matossian (26:31):

We don’t know. Yeah, we, yeah, we don’t know. I mean, he’s, he’s joked around about masters. He’s joked, but, but we’ve heard this, all this we’ve heard him postulate before. Right.

James Hobart (26:39):

But why would he, my question, why would he stop competing?

Brian Friend (26:44):

Well, there could be several answers to that. Yeah. So one, one is that, you know, like it or not like it is a toll emotionally, mentally, physically over time, this would be his 10th time doing it or 11th time, 12th time. Wow. 12th time doing it. 10th time is a champion if he’s able. And that, those are pretty nice numbers to round out a career with. Uh, additionally, you know, there’s more and more, uh, program or, uh, competitions are being programmed by mayhem. Uh, for example, and I know that there’s been like conversations about the potential of rich, eventually having a hand in programming, an element of the games, maybe, uh, the team division or something like that. And if he did have that opportunity and wanted to go do it, he probably couldn’t also be competing. Uh, and then yeah, exactly. This is maybe, you know, he says that when he steps away from the individual side of competing, he was to spend more time with his family. But my perspective from the outside is he’s still training a lot and he’s still spending a lot of time in the gym and uh, you know, he likes doing that. It’s I think it’s something that he’ll always will do, but he could, you know, he probably could, you know, stand to do, uh, you know, four less sessions a week or something and have some more family time.

Sevan Matossian (27:52):

Uh, I, I, I think what Christie said and what Brian was just saying is I, I think I heard him say this also that his kids are starting to get into organized sports and he wants to be a part of that.

Brian Friend (28:02):

Maybe he, maybe he was gonna go coach him up in some, uh, Peewee baseball,

Sevan Matossian (28:10):

His kids, his kids just skipped right over Peewee. Uh, um, I, I wanted look at, um, uh, on Brian’s list here, Brian gave us, uh, was kind enough to give us a ranking and he has, uh, a third place on the podium, CrossFit, Oslo, Navy blue, uh, with nickel aid. Ooh, I can’t believe I’m gonna try this Ingrid, Lena and Eve. Okay.

James Hobart (28:32):

That’s a good pick. They were second last year. Right. And they have a new guy. See, did my homework, Brian?

Brian Friend (28:39):

Yeah. Uh, nickel Lidel is the addition to this team. The other three are coming back. Nicola. Eli is the fittest man in Norway and, uh, he represented them in 2019 games. He’s a good addition to the team. Um, I got a, uh, you know, they competed at strength in depth. Didn’t get to see ’em in person, but they were very good there. Um, winning every event obviously. And just that, you know, these two women are, they’re the Norwegian equivalent of, uh, Taylor and Andrea and I, and I really do think in this case that, uh, the women’s, the women’s side of things is a wash. I think they’re just as good as Andrea Taylor are at this point in their careers, as far as team female athletes go. But those two guys cannot keep up with rich and Sam and that’s not a knock against them at all. It’s, there’s no one that can in this competition that can keep up with rich and Sam,

Sevan Matossian (29:31):

Who, who is, who is closer, um, Oslo, Navy blue and RAIC or RAIC and freedom. Who, who who’s closer in, in terms of, uh, ability.

Brian Friend (29:45):

I would say Navy blue and Riku. I was really, really tempted to put Navy blue second on this list.

Sevan Matossian (29:51):

Okay. And, and, uh, and then, and then who is closer, uh, CrossFit, mayhem independent, is he crossing mayhem independence, just a to.

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