#487 – Who’s on PEDs?

Sevan Matossian (00:03):

Is that bam we’re live. Is there a C on Brian?

Brian Friend (00:06):

Yeah, I can turn it off if you want me

Sevan Matossian (00:08):

To, uh, yeah,

Brian Friend (00:11):

I was thinking about it anyway, let me go turn it off.

Sevan Matossian (00:13):

Okay, Susan. What’s up. Good morning. Good

Mattew Souza (00:17):

Morning, man.

Sevan Matossian (00:17):

Hey dude, called the audible this morning.

Mattew Souza (00:19):

I saw that.

Sevan Matossian (00:21):

Um, it’s not it’s the thing is, is it’s, it’s kind of like my least favorite subject

Mattew Souza (00:27):

<laugh> I was looking forward to some good rants this morning, but, um, in due time

Sevan Matossian (00:33):

I know I have, my, my notes are so awesome.

Mattew Souza (00:36):

I was kind of peeking at ’em earlier, when you had sent him over,

Sevan Matossian (00:39):

I’m tripping on the, um, I’m tripping on how much the right is being manipulated to attack Joe Biden. It’s funny now, all of a sudden he is a bad guy, but I, Brian, um, this is my least favorite topic.

Brian Friend (00:55):

Good morning.

Sevan Matossian (00:56):

Good morning. Hi. Um, you, you know why this is my least, you know, I had, I, I was thinking yesterday, do you know why all the steroid shows are so popular? Like, do you know why Hiller had 600 people on, uh, live? Like when I go live, I get 30 people on, you know why he get 600? I can’t acknowledge that he’s better than me or harder working or cuter or smarter. Never. I dunno why you had 600 because those are all the people who want to do steroids. I came up with this theory yesterday. <laugh> everybody, everybody wants to do performance enhancing drugs. There’s levels to your commitment, but everybody wants to do them. My mom wants to do them. Your mom wants to do them. Everyone wants to do them. The people who hate them, the people who talk shit about ’em, everyone wants to get juiced up and feels like what it is to be Superman or superwoman. There’s just these crazy levels of, uh, of ability to acknowledge it, to be attracted to it. And those shows are so popular because everyone wants to get on it. Yeah. Yeah. Here it is. We all wanna be jacked. Yeah. We all wanna be jacked. Um, it’s the ultimate, uh, as I get more and more into learning about testosterone replacement therapy with our work with California hormones, it sounds like it’s the ultimate antidepressant with no

Mattew Souza (02:12):

Side effects, no side effects.

Sevan Matossian (02:14):

I mean, I mean the, I mean maybe, maybe the people who are getting super juice, but just to elevate your testosterone levels a little bit. I mean, no negative. I haven’t heard any negative side effects from, uh, getting on a little bit of the juicy, juicy.

Mattew Souza (02:27):

I was surprised how many people I know that were actually taking it, started talking about it. They’re like only had on that for a, but I feel great. Like, what

Sevan Matossian (02:34):

Are you? Have you ever taken testosterone? Brian?

Brian Friend (02:37):

Susan? How many of those small little cups do you have lined

Mattew Souza (02:39):

Up there? Oh, dude, I bought, uh, a pack of 300 off Amazon for like four bucks.

Brian Friend (02:45):

No, I have not taken any testosterone, seven someone,

Sevan Matossian (02:49):

But, but do you, do you see what I’m saying about how everyone wants to be? Like, that’s why those shows are so popular. It’s under the guise of maybe half the people are there are there to damn, you know, Phil to judge him, but the other half are just like, Hm, I wanna, I wanna learn a little bit and get juiced up.

Mattew Souza (03:03):

Yeah. Everybody has gone and looked at purchasing it before.

Sevan Matossian (03:07):

Why wouldn’t you wanna be a better version of yourself? Yeah.

Mattew Souza (03:09):

And if you’re saying you haven’t gone on there and checked them out and at least scope thin webs to see what’s available, you are lying.

Sevan Matossian (03:15):

I feel so naive. Is everyone on them? Brian? I feel so naive too. I feel

Brian Friend (03:20):

Like this guy tells me I can throw discs farther. If I start using PE

Sevan Matossian (03:24):

DS <laugh>

Brian Friend (03:25):

Now I’m interested.

Sevan Matossian (03:28):

The only side, the only negative thing I’ve heard is that you can’t have kids. Which, which would suck.

Brian Friend (03:33):

Yeah. Some people would say not some people might disagree.

Sevan Matossian (03:37):

My, even my mom’s in denial. Look at Chevon’s. Mom does not want. Yes. Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe anyone anymore. Everyone wants to get juice up. Why not? Why not? Why? Why not? What are you scared? Why not? Why haven’t you done it, Brian? Why haven’t you done it?

Brian Friend (03:59):

I don’t know. I haven’t, uh, I guess I haven’t been pursuing any that, that degree of athletic career.

Sevan Matossian (04:05):

Yeah. It, it, it, it, but, but it’s not because like, it’s not cuz you think you’re gonna go to hell if you do it.

Brian Friend (04:13):

I don’t know. I’ve I’m, I’m sure I’ve crossed that line a couple times.

Sevan Matossian (04:18):

<laugh> how, uh, my notes are worthless today. Cuz I have my live calling notes. I’ll write on the back. Um, I, I, I saw the morning chalk up. Um, you, you went on yesterday with uh, the Klei, uh, Lauren KLE. And you went on with Justin LA Franco and I think the title of the piece was, uh, 13 athletes. Can we pull up Brian’s um, Instagram. Do you care if we look at your story for a second, Brian?

Brian Friend (04:40):

No, it probably very relevant.

Sevan Matossian (04:42):

Okay. Oh, can we go through every single person? Um, today, just even give like a note. Do we have the list of the names of all the people who popped?

Brian Friend (04:51):


Sevan Matossian (04:51):

Do you feel bad for them? And I know this, I know this is a factual show who gives a fuck about feelings, but do you feel bad for them? <laugh>

Brian Friend (04:59):

Uh, I

Sevan Matossian (04:59):

Feel horrible. No,

Brian Friend (05:01):

But you feel bad for the people who have failed their drug tests?

Sevan Matossian (05:04):

Yeah. I feel horrible.

Brian Friend (05:07):

Why is that?

Sevan Matossian (05:08):

Cause I know that they probably have like a huge pit in their stomach. They’re all, they’re all tore up. I know people don’t like that. They’re like, I know I had hunter on and my DMS filled up with hunter schooled your shit. That like Hunter’s perspective is, is their fucking cheaters. And I get it. I mean, I I’m, I don’t think hunter

Brian Friend (05:24):

Schooled. You’re talking about hunter MacIntyre.

Sevan Matossian (05:25):

Yeah. I don’t think he’s schooled. I agree. I agree. They’re fucking cheaters too, but still it doesn’t mean I don’t feel bad. Say that again, Brian.

Brian Friend (05:33):

Well, hunter Williams is one of the athletes who’s failed the drug test.

Sevan Matossian (05:36):

So I was just clarifying of, let me just throw another name. Let me just throw, let’s play a game. Let’s play a game. I’m gonna throw a name out there and you tell me if that one, if someone pops Pedro, do we have a Pedro in the house? Do we have a Pedro pop?

Mattew Souza (05:49):

Hey we should. We should just bring up that list. And you, when you were having everybody say, Hey, are they gonna be lower or higher on the leaderboard? Now we change it. Have they popped? Or have they got yes,

Sevan Matossian (05:57):

Yes, yes.

Brian Friend (05:58):

Still in the convention or

Sevan Matossian (05:59):

No, Brian, this is, this is the fucked up question. I’m sorry.

Brian Friend (06:07):

Hey, you know, I know what I’m doing coming on here.

Sevan Matossian (06:09):

Okay. Um, how, how, how many, how many are on how many have taken performance enhancing? How many have taken supplements that are not legal? According to the rules of the CrossFit games that haven’t been caught

Brian Friend (06:26):

Impossible to know because you know, they only test a certain percentage of the athletes. Even within the team division. They only, in most cases they only test two of the four athletes and um, you know, everyone who’s done any amount of research knows that there are ways to take those supplements and then take masking agents that will prevent you from popping on a, on a test anyway. So it’s always gonna, that will always be a mystery.

Sevan Matossian (06:52):

The California hormone games are getting stacked Seon. Have you sent invitations out yet? No, we’re still, which originally I know it’s getting interesting, right?

Brian Friend (07:00):

Are the California hormones games the same as the major competition in Brazil? That’s going on in a couple weeks in which there’s no drug testing.

Sevan Matossian (07:07):

Oh, is there what’s that one called?

Brian Friend (07:09):

I’m not exactly sure what it’s called, but I’ve heard people refer to it as the equivalent of waap PZA for south America.

Sevan Matossian (07:15):

So does waap waap PZA doesn’t do any testing, but, but I guess the games will send their testers there to, to, to NAB you

Brian Friend (07:21):

There’s there is testing that happens at waap PZA it’s I, I’m not sure if it’s, um, random by CrossFit or if it’s, uh, affiliated with, but it’s not thorough or there’s not a like guarantee if you finish in within these placements, uh, actually that might not be true. They may, they may test the podium. I mean, I’m not a hundred percent sure about who all gets tested at waap, but there is some level of drug testing that happens there. Maybe, maybe there’s someone who, uh, listening, who knows more than me about that. But Phil tune would competed at waap Peruzzi, took six place there. And I, I don’t think he was drug tested there.

Sevan Matossian (07:52):

Carlos called Romero is, is bold as to call it Jua. PZA Hey, maybe, maybe that should be the name of the California games. Hormone games. Jua PZA

Brian Friend (08:02):


Sevan Matossian (08:04):

It’s nuts. It, it is I’m I I’m, I’m just struggling with my own naiveness. Were you, are you naive to it? You think Brian?

Brian Friend (08:11):

Yeah. I, I kind of intentionally am.

Sevan Matossian (08:14):

Yeah. Maybe that’s what it is too. And why? Because we don’t want the guys, we like to be cheaters or

Brian Friend (08:20):

Ah, that’s good. No, just the same thing that you said, uh, you know, at the start of the show it’s I don’t like doing these shows. I don’t want this to be the focus of the thing that we’re talking about, but when you’re approaching, you know, I think now there’s up to nine or 10 in the last 48 hours that I’ve become aware of. That’s a pretty staggering number and it, you know, it’s hard to ignore

Sevan Matossian (08:40):

On, on one hand you have to like really compliment CrossFit. You have to be like, holy shit, they’re really doing their jobs. They’re weeding these guys out. And all we’ve asked for is fair competition, honest and open competition. And this appears to be fucking doing it, right? It’s like a comb that you put through your hair when you have lice. And it’s like those really tight, tight bristles, and it pulls the lice out. That’s what they’re doing right now. Right. They’re pulling the lice out on the, on the other hand,

Brian Friend (09:03):

But even a better analogy cuz you always miss some in the first pass through.

Sevan Matossian (09:06):

Right. <laugh> take a couple of times. I thought you were gonna make fun of me. Sorry, seven. I’ve never had lice. Um, and, and then, uh, but on the other hand we are, so many of us are disappointed. We’re not gonna get to SI like see Phil tune go. Like couldn’t they just have like a bunch of lanes. Um couldn’t they just have a bunch of like, uh, they, they make them all wear special shirts. I’m a cheater, but we still get to see ’em go out on the floor and compete. Like they have their own like five lanes off to the left, the cheater’s lanes. I mean, we wanna see Phil compete. Right? Don’t we wanna see him go. I mean, he’s like the remote control car in your, we wanna see him go.

Brian Friend (09:45):

Yeah. I mean, there’s definitely a, uh, you know, there’s a, there’s a group of athletes. I mean, look, like I said, there’s been maybe 10, uh, in the last 48 hours alone. And Phil tune’s the one that stands out. Right? Because most people of that group of 10 athletes, they were most excited to see him. He was the most recognizable or the, he had done the best in other competitions, namely in waap PZA um, you know, and we’ve been kind of looking at him since last year we had him on, you know, maybe 12 to 14 months ago. He was in, you know, and, uh, seems to be a very likable guy, hardworking guy. He was in with a good coach in camp, down there in Naples. So everything was trending in the right direction for him. He did very well at semi-finals going toe to toe with perennial podium, contender and for Kowski. So yeah, you know, his stock was really high and people were excited to see him. Um, whereas most of the others who have failed are either team athletes or just, uh, you know, are more outta nowhere games, qualifiers that have don’t have maybe the track record that he did in the last 12 months.

Sevan Matossian (10:43):

Uh, John that’s, that’ll be 20, uh, burpees for you. How dare you, please, please refrain. Um, okay. I wanna start really big picture. Where are we at? Where we are in the season is in terms of, um, the sport. Um, everyone’s been told they can come, but the drug tests haven’t come in and athletes are coming out ahead of time before CrossFit makes notes. Can you paint that picture? Like where we’re at in the season? What, what, what, what the fuck is going on right now?

Brian Friend (11:18):

Yeah, I mean, I think that this is one of the most, uh, probably frustrating parts of this process for everyone who’s involved in it from the, you know, the, a, the athletes, their families, coaches, uh, and obviously to, even to, even in CrossFits perspective. And then of course for the fans is just the delay between when we’re able to, when competitions end and when we find out kind of meaningful results associated with them. So it started with the quarter finals, which took 39 days to finalize rosters after the end of quarter finals, which I think is excessive and unnecessary. And especially in the context of all those people, I mentioned that are trying to make plans for the next stage of the season, which is semi-finals, which most people have to make travel plans, hotels, planes, if their coaches are gonna come, families are gonna come.

Brian Friend (12:00):

If they have to get time off of work for their, if they have to get, you know, considers for their kids or whatever it is like the longer, the less amount of time between the end of, or when you find out where you’re gonna be for semi-finals. And when you have to go there and compete is more inconvenient for everyone involved. And now we’re on the, in a similar situation here with, um, the timeframe from semifinals to the games where, you know, the first semifinal week ended on May 22nd and the last one ended on June 12th. But right now we’re in July 12th. And we’re just now finding out about Naser, uh, I believe is the guy from Asia that’s failed his drug test, which we can get to later

Sevan Matossian (12:38):

On. Holy shit. He failed too.

Brian Friend (12:42):

Yeah. And

Sevan Matossian (12:42):

When did that come out? Sorry. When did that come

Brian Friend (12:44):

Out? It’s not, it’s not, has not come out that Naser has failed his drug test yet. I just believe that that’s the case. Arthur OV, who is third place in Asia, posted on his Instagram this morning that he did receive an invite to the CrossFit games from,

Sevan Matossian (12:58):

Oh, so it’s either why, why not? Roman

Brian Friend (13:00):

It’s either Roman or Naar because of the people I’ve been in contact with, I have not heard from Nasar or any of his team directly, but I’ve heard from some people, multiple people that have said that’s likely the one it is. And I’ve heard from multiple people that said, Roman has not received anything from CrossFit.

Sevan Matossian (13:16):

His beard looks like it’s

Brian Friend (13:17):

Undo. And here’s the thing that people should understand when, uh, athlete my understanding when athlete passes, a drug test has a negative drug test CrossFit. Doesn’t notify them of that when they get a positive, they do. And so we can reach out to Roman. He said, I haven’t gotten anything from CrossFit yet, but that doesn’t mean necessarily good or bad. However, if they’ve already extended an invite to Arthur, then we can assume that they’ve notified the person that’s not being invited, that they failed the drug test. I mean that if they’re not doing it in that order, then that I would say is, you know, pretty poor, uh, order of operations on CrossFit set. Anyway, the point being that competition ended on June 5th and we’re a month and a week later than that now. And we’re just now finding this information. So on the one hand you have Nassar and his whole family who maybe have been planning to come to the United States, getting visas in line, organizing everything from their end. And

Sevan Matossian (14:09):

This is not CrossFit’s fault though. Well, hold on. This is, this is Naser’s fault. Well, if it’s true, right?

Brian Friend (14:15):

Well, of course, of course there’s a, there’s a blame on the athlete that’s taking the peds. The big, the question that I wanna ask is, you know, from a timeline perspective, has CrossFit set up the season to, to be successful in this regard, because if Nasser’s just now finding out that he’s failed a drug test, that means that Arthur is now just finding out that he’s eligible for the games, but Arthur has already done the last chance qualifier and that’s, this is the case for other athletes as well. And he’s, uh, you know, he’s in Russia. I don’t know how easy it is to get from Russia to the United States for, for, you know, just anyone who wants to come here. I don’t know what his financial situation is. I don’t know what his, uh, you know, training’s necessarily been like, or if he has any other competitions he was planning for or anything like that. So it’s a, it’s a fairly tight timeline. He has a month now, I guess, to figure that out. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (15:03):

Ooh, look at that, buddy. Um, Brian, I, I hate the thought of suggesting though, that this is in any way CrossFits fall. Like, I don’t think that they should, they should make a timeline for the season to, um, accommodate, um, a backfill.

Brian Friend (15:18):

Well, then they should. I

Sevan Matossian (15:19):

Agree with you when they should accommodate the athletes. I agree with you, some of the stuff you’ve said about semifinals and smooshing it in, but the backfill and the cheater shit is like,

Brian Friend (15:26):

No, no, no, but every year there’s people who fail their drug tests. Right. So, you know, we’ve talked before about potential different timelines for semifinals. So let’s just say, for example,

Sevan Matossian (15:37):

Okay. Okay.

Brian Friend (15:38):

That, um, they were quicker on the turnaround from quarter finals to semifinals. The semifinals weeks were the two middle weeks of may and that, and then they would tell athletes, Hey, you know, from week let’s just say week, there were only two semifinals and week one was gonna be, you know, three weeks later from now, you’ll get an email, either confirming that you’ve passed your drug test or not. And then after that three weeks, everyone knows, yes, all the athletes from week one are in, except for this person, this person, and this team for, you know, whatever and it’s done. And then one week later we’ll get the results for week two, and then we, we can move forward. And that, because right now it’s so, you know, it’s getting so close to the games. We still don’t know what’s going on in many of these cases that we’re gonna get to later.

Brian Friend (16:19):

And so for, um, you know, people that are trying to, even people that work for CrossFit that are trying to prepare relevant stats, data, packages, information, headshots of teams and athletes that are competing there. Like we are doing all this work and then we have to go and redo the work and reorganize it. You know, we I’ve, I’ve like done this, um, work with six experts in the space to do a composite power rankings of all the male and female athletes in the field. And now we have to go back and rework that, that article. And it’s like, you know, so all of these things are, you know, they’re kind of fallouts of that. And so it’s just begging the question. Is there potentially a way to set ourselves up better knowing that this is gonna happen?

Sevan Matossian (16:57):

Well, not if there’s people like me and you who are naive about the people popping, uh, hunter McIntyre just commented in the comments. This sounds like a conspiracy three podcast. Uh, yesterday I receiv, uh, Hunter’s been telling me about the juicy juicy, <laugh> the juicy juicy that goes on and CrossFit for a while. And yesterday he sent me a tub of Vaseline, um, to get me ready for our next show. I didn’t app and some rubber gloves. I didn’t appreciate that. Uh, Y yeah. Um, did the last chance qualifier people were they tested Brian?

Brian Friend (17:29):

So in theory, all of the last chance qualifiers would’ve been tested at their semifinal, the semifinals that I went to, they were, the athletes were briefed at the opening briefing by the competition director that, that, um, for example, in north America and Europe, where they have five qualifiers that they test down to the eight spot and for teams that they would test down to the seven spot. So they were, you know, projecting this forward. However, in some of the, in some of the continents that are not United States and Europe, I, I’m not sure if they tested all of the last chance qualifier spots or not. I’ve heard conflicting information that they, that that has not happened in south America and Africa at least.

Mattew Souza (18:09):


Sevan Matossian (18:10):

Is, is this a lot of people who’ve tested positive this year? Is this more than normal?

Brian Friend (18:15):

It’s it seems like a lot. And, and especially yesterday, when, you know, so many were coming in all at once, but I did, um, find out that in 2018, there were 17 either team athletes or individual athletes from regional regionals who failed the drug test. And so basically we’re approaching that number. So, no, it’s not necessarily that out of the ordinary. Okay. Um, but the,

Sevan Matossian (18:40):

Is the media covering it more? Is it better media now? Is that what’s going on?

Brian Friend (18:44):

It’s either you could say better or just a different style of media. Like there’s, there’s a

Sevan Matossian (18:48):

Higher level. Let’s go is better. Let’s go is better.

Brian Friend (18:50):

<laugh> there’s definitely seems to be a higher level of scrutiny from the media about everything. And therefore things like this become more obvious or well known.

Mattew Souza (18:58):

It’s more into the microscope. I got a question, Brian, who do you think they’re intentionally if they’re intentionally not testing anybody?

Brian Friend (19:05):


Sevan Matossian (19:06):

Like if we, I hate this fucking question.

Mattew Souza (19:07):

If we were to see the, like a, like a behemoth fall or something like that, like, what if one of the bigger named athletes

Sevan Matossian (19:13):

He’s saying, are they protecting anyone? Are they protecting for Kowski?

Brian Friend (19:17):

I have no idea

Sevan Matossian (19:18):

Here. Here’s the, here’s the thing here, here, all, I was so close to the games and I pro I, I, I would fucking bet I’d bet fucking all, everything I own, um, that, that Adrian and Curtis bowler are, would never, ever in a million years fucking do that. And that it’s actually quite the opposite that the mood there, when Dave was there was to catch people. That being said, I’m hearing some crazy shit about some shit that’s happened in the United States this year with a, um, with, uh, with some of the teams. And, and unfortunately there, it does sound like that. There’s some people not on the games team, but some people at HQ that may have been involved in some of the shenanigans, but they’re not on the games team. It is not people on the games team. I wanna be super clear about that. And, and I, and we are trying to get to the bottom of that.

Mattew Souza (20:04):

Yeah. And you’re also referring to a time when there was accountability when Dave was at the helm of it, like we’ve seen this crumble since he’s left. So, you know, has that changed anything internally there with the interaction between CrossFit games and in the athletes, speculation,

Sevan Matossian (20:18):

Speculation, maybe, but those guys Curtis bowler and Adrian Bosman are not, um, nice people. They are thorough people. Like those are thorough. Those aren’t like, those are just thorough motherfuckers, like, like sticklers, like Curtis bowler is not a, uh, you know what I mean? Like you don’t graduate to overhead squats in his gym until you mastered the PVC. Same with Adrian. Mm-hmm <affirmative> like these guys, these are fucking, uh, I mean,

Brian Friend (20:44):

Who smiles more Curtis or Jr hall.

Sevan Matossian (20:48):

Good question. Curtis doesn’t even own a smile. He doesn’t. He has to bar check it out from the library. <laugh> yeah. I mean, these are, I, I just, um, I, I hate to, I hate to speculate on that. Kenya says Jr. Yeah. Curtis, uh, um, I have, have you guys heard anything? We received the reason why, and I’ll tell you what we received, cuz I hate to be ambiguous. We received an email from someone who who’s, who painted out a whole cover up to us, that’s going on for a particular games athlete. And uh, and I’m trying to get to the bottom of it before it’s a team athlete. Sorry. A team athlete.

Brian Friend (21:30):

Yeah. I dunno much about

Sevan Matossian (21:31):

That. Okay. Um, anyone else, before we start, I wanna start going down the list. There’s some peop things that are really weird. The South Africa thing really just boggles my mind that that what’s going on over there with that girl. But is there anyone else besides Arthur that’s that’s breaking or that we have any other invites been put out that we know about where we don’t the person ha we don’t know whether who’s been accused or who’s getting pulled out, but we know there’s been a back fill.

Brian Friend (21:57):

No. So in terms of the individuals, uh, Austin, Spencer did receive his invite from CrossFit this week. So he’s in, in place of Joel, as far as I know, Nick, Matthew has not been contacted yet, who would be in line for the back fill from Phil tune? As far as I know, Augustine reque may has not been contacted yet. He would be in line for the back fill for Pedro Martins. But those things are kind weird. ESP, in the context of, we know who’s failed the drug test and the next Alliance have not received invites, but in Asia we know the next in line has received invites, but we haven’t seen anything confirming the person who’s failed. The reason that that is, is because CrossFit hasn’t announced any of these, it’s just, um, the athletes have chosen to announce it. So Pedro Martin’s addressed it. Uh, Phil tune addressed it and then Arthur addressed it,

Sevan Matossian (22:47):

But then, and enjoy and Jo

Brian Friend (22:49):

And Jo addressed it.

Sevan Matossian (22:50):

Anyone else?

Brian Friend (22:52):

That’s a good question from west col bear Colbert and we’re hop. I mean, I’m hoping to find that out. I have a thought about that, but I’m not a hundred percent sure that they may have been doing blood testing this year at semifinals. I just don’t know if they’ve done that in the past or not. So I’m hoping that CrossFit will have an opportunity to answer that at some point,

Sevan Matossian (23:11):

Uh, sorry. What are the implications of what Ethan’s saying here? I saw proven, posted Nick Matthews is going,

Brian Friend (23:17):

Nick. Matthew has said that he, if he gets his backfill, he will go. I just don’t know for sure that he’s received the backfill invite yet.

Sevan Matossian (23:24):

Let’s say he has. I saw proven, posted Nick Matthews is going. Can you go to proven SU and see, let’s say he is, what would, what would then that allow us to speculate that some, what, what made you no

Brian Friend (23:35):

Different Phil tune? He would be replacing Phil tune.

Sevan Matossian (23:38):

Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.

Brian Friend (23:40):

Yeah. Um, here’s know, this is the <laugh>. This is like once again, resurfacing another bad issue though. You know, Nick, Nick, Matthew has been, he’s kind of like a Austin Spencer in this regard, like he’s been fighting for this game spot for a long time. He’s been close multiple times last year, he missed by a couple points to Merton’s this year. He missed by a couple points as well. He was fourth place in the last chance qualifier, which is obviously very good. Um, but lurking a few points behind him on that. Leaderboard is Matt Degos and everyone already knows about the grievance that Degos and his team has with the pull up bar height. And just now he’s only four points away from Matthew and it’s even looking more like, oh man, if that pull up bar was just a little bit higher, would Matt getting this backfill? Wow.

Sevan Matossian (24:26):

When we look at Nick Matthews here and we see a congratulations, congratulations, does that mean that Phil tune has passed on having his B sample tested?

Brian Friend (24:37):

Even I, so my understanding here, and again, I wish we had, you know, something from CrossFit to confirm this stuff. But my understanding is that even if the B sample is being tested, he won’t be eligible to compete at the games

Sevan Matossian (24:48):

Too. And, and, and we don’t really is, is there anything BA that we’re upset at CrossFit about for not being transparent with us? What if the reasoning is, is like, Hey, what they’re doing is, is they’re being transparent with who needs to be transparent with mm-hmm <affirmative> meaning the people who popped and the people who are gonna be back filling and they do this in the fastest way possible. And they let them leak it at their own pace. I mean, is there, is there any,

Brian Friend (25:11):

Yeah, I mean, it’s,

Sevan Matossian (25:11):

You know, is that bad for us or are we just try babies? Cuz we’re the last to kiss the girl? We’re the last to know <laugh>

Brian Friend (25:16):

No, I mean that’s, that’s kind of the Mo right. We’ve talked about it before with, um, master’s workouts where someone asked CrossFit privately, Hey, it says, I may do this exercise. Does that mean I have to do this exercise and CrossFit chose to respond to them privately instead of addressing the matter on a large scale. And so again here, while they’re, they’re communicating these things individually, that’s, that’s not inappropriate, but when it’s now, you know, what I’m just seeing is so many, there’s so many so fast coming out that people are getting angry, they’re getting frustrated. So I, I just think that at the very least cross, it might wanna say like, Hey, we understand that there’s a lot of these that are coming out right now. This is our process. And we will communicate to you the final list when you know, so that people, so we’re not just in the dark, like right now, there’s just like speculation and curiosity. And there’s a lot of people that just don’t aren’t as aware as you and I are about what’s going on and what the process is that are probably unjustifiably. So getting angry or frustrated or accusatory. But if crossword just came out and said something to that effect of, you know, we’re on top of it, we will release a list with all of this stuff when it’s finalized. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (26:22):

Okay. They don’t have to tell us anything, but it’d be cool if we could get it. Oh, just to check when. Yeah.

Brian Friend (26:27):

Okay. Yeah. Just to check it and say, Hey touchpoint, we will put something out. We have to wait for the appeals process to finalize. And we wanna publish all of these at once. Just, you know, check in with the community, say that and put the minds at ease.

Sevan Matossian (26:38):

What if they made a post on the games, Instagram, it says, don’t worry. Your favorite athlete might still be going to the game.

Brian Friend (26:44):

<laugh> well, it’d be too cool. Weird. I mean, it’s super weird. What’s going on? On their Instagram. They had that like a, a very focused thing on Nassar on there and that’s been removed.

Sevan Matossian (26:55):

Oh, that’s not cool.

Brian Friend (26:56):

And they also had a, a thing that was celebrating all the Brazilians that are going, that was posted a couple days ago, which now are not. And that’s still up there.

Mattew Souza (27:04):

I liked your post on that, Brian.

Sevan Matossian (27:06):


Brian Friend (27:06):

It was just, yeah,

Sevan Matossian (27:08):

That they should leave that stuff. But I, I wanna say something a little off subject here, but, but I promise I’ll, I’ll tie it in, um, those of you who interchange the word sex and gender, um, it’s like inter it’s like, it’s like interchanging, the word boogieman in God. It’s two totally different things. And those of you who are interchanging, it are just part of the problem. And, and, and I mean this in all sincerity and kindness, you’re fucking, what does

Brian Friend (27:30):

This have to do with anything?

Sevan Matossian (27:31):

I’m gonna tie it in. I’m gonna tie it in you’re fucking morons yesterday. My kids were watching a show on, on lizards and the guy, you know, like David Attenborough, he’s never like the gender of this lizard is no, he’s like this lizard sex is a male. And that’s why he has that, that plume hanging from his throat. This sex is a, this sex of this lizard is a lizard, is a female. You never hear anyone in biology or talking about the animal kingdom using gender, never, ever, ever. That being said, I want to be very clear when I ask this question, why is it that the sex of most of these people popping are males?

Brian Friend (28:06):

Hmm. Well, that’s not necessarily true.

Sevan Matossian (28:09):

Um, okay, great. Even better. That’s even a better answer

Brian Friend (28:11):

On, I mean, on the female side of things, we’ve had, uh, I think three confirmed team athletes. So it is still more men than women, but you know that if there are more men than women, it probably just speaks to the thing that I’ve always said about men and women is just, there’s more competition. And the depth of the field on the men’s side is, is more difficult. And therefore, you know, the margins are smaller and it’s more tempting to maybe do it

Sevan Matossian (28:39):

Fair. I like that analysis. And, and in, in, in this country, I dunno if it is in other country’s men’s car insurance between the age of 16. And I think 25 is higher than women’s.

Mattew Souza (28:48):

Yep. Statistically, they crash more dude, dumb shit.

Sevan Matossian (28:51):

It’s it’s, isn’t that weird that that can be openly sexist like that. I approve of that too, by the way. I totally approve of that. Uh, and, and so, and so there might also be that, that too, the psychological component that men are willing to take more, more risks mm-hmm <affirmative> with that. And then it may, I wonder if it’s more obvious when women take performance enhancing drugs than it is with men, like, like women start to grow a mustache or something

Mattew Souza (29:15):

<laugh> competing with the beard this year.

Sevan Matossian (29:19):

Uh, Brian is Phil tuned, the biggest star in the history of CrossFit who’s ever popped. Is there anyone, is there anyone?

Brian Friend (29:27):

No, I mean, of course it’s still, it’s still Ricky because of

Sevan Matossian (29:30):

What? Oh, right, right. Okay. Weird

Mattew Souza (29:31):

Place too. Yeah.

Brian Friend (29:32):

And then, you know, there are some others like, um, Sean Ramirez, who is, you know, three time games champion in the master’s division before he failed the drug tested, I would say is probably unfair to say that Phil tune is a smaller star than him. It’s just that there’s more spotlight on the individuals. And especially this year, it’s been, you know, really popular, uh, sport. I think coming out of a couple years where we have it, didn’t get to see a lot of athletes.

Sevan Matossian (29:56):

And, uh, who’s the biggest woman to ever pop are there. I can’t think of any.

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