#484 – HillerFit Review | Vaguely

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Probably cause they’re trying to

Andrew Hiller (00:02):

A better podcaster than you are.

Sevan Matossian (00:04):

<laugh> it says I

Andrew Hiller (00:05):

Have only one way

Sevan Matossian (00:06):

It says I have one bar. The crazy thing is is I, am I go to my net? You’re terrible. I do. I’m all choppy Uhhuh. Um, I go to my network preferences and I’m connected. Okay. How’s that

Andrew Hiller (00:22):

About the same sound weird.

Sevan Matossian (00:23):

The thing is I’m not on wifi.

Andrew Hiller (00:27):

<laugh> oh,

Mattew Souza (00:27):

You’re hardwired into

Sevan Matossian (00:28):

The computer. Yeah. I’m hardwired. Like I am in your, you know, <laugh> there. I’m better.

Andrew Hiller (00:35):

You’re you’re not,

Sevan Matossian (00:36):

I’m not.

Andrew Hiller (00:37):

You’re the same.

Sevan Matossian (00:39):

Good morning.

Andrew Hiller (00:44):

Have you watched the, uh, CrossFit games documentary?

Sevan Matossian (00:47):

I have not. Have you

Andrew Hiller (00:48):

I’ve seen the first half. I put a story up yesterday and I got mixed opinions on it.

Sevan Matossian (00:53):

Okay. I did see, I watched some show that, oh, I like your mic up there. Like a red rocket.

Andrew Hiller (00:59):

Yeah. Right. I thought you’d like that.

Sevan Matossian (01:01):

I, uh, I, I watched, um, uh, something that cross the games put out yesterday with Sean Woodland, where they talk about like rookies and stuff. Okay. And he, in there, he gives the movie a plug. He says it’s a really, really, really good movie. I,

Andrew Hiller (01:15):

Sean Woodland says that. Well, he’s in half of it.

Sevan Matossian (01:18):

<laugh> oh, okay. Well, I kind wanna, I wanna trust him on it, but like, I, I just don’t trust anything that comes out of HQ. Like zoom.

Andrew Hiller (01:26):

Do you have any intention of watching it? Are you gonna watch it? I was gonna tell you to watch it last night so that we could like talk about it right now. And I,

Sevan Matossian (01:36):

Oh, so you saying, you’re saying, got it. Let’s save it. Maybe I’ll okay. I’ll watch it. We

Mattew Souza (01:41):

Can do a whole video on

Sevan Matossian (01:41):

It and then yeah. I’ll watch it. And we’ll, and we’ll milk that for some con I mean, we’ll do some deep dive, uh, solid content around

Mattew Souza (01:48):

It and unboxing, if you will,

Andrew Hiller (01:50):

You know, we should do, we should have it in the background and just mute it and then talk about it. Anyone can watch along.

Sevan Matossian (01:55):


Andrew Hiller (01:56):

Is this? A live commentary?

Sevan Matossian (01:57):

Fitness freak is going live right now for their finals. I’m torn. What’s that?

Mattew Souza (02:02):

I just saw that too. It’s on, uh, morning, chalk up. I saw that they’re alive.

Sevan Matossian (02:06):

What is, yeah,

Andrew Hiller (02:07):

I think the only way I saw it was through the morning chalk I’m I’m unfamiliar with it.

Mattew Souza (02:11):

Well, it looks weird. It’s there’s this chick swinging around on two ropes right now,

Sevan Matossian (02:17):

Two ropes. So it’s, it’s a, um, it’s a show. Can you, can you just play like four seconds of it so I can see it?

Mattew Souza (02:24):


Sevan Matossian (02:25):

Dude. Dare or just for so morning chocolate is streaming is streaming, like ninja warrior stuff now.

Mattew Souza (02:32):


Andrew Hiller (02:32):

This is something else. What is going on?

Sevan Matossian (02:35):

It looks like that dude’s being that dude on the right. Looks like he’s hanging. Oh, no, he is just bent over.

Andrew Hiller (02:39):

Come on.

Mattew Souza (02:41):

So, oh, this is some sort of dance collective team hit the Nike dancing.

Sevan Matossian (02:46):

Okay. Fuck this thing. I don’t like the lighting either. Meaning. Okay. Um, you go over there, Michael and, and, uh, and pull out your floppy dog and, and, and have, and have your way

Mattew Souza (02:57):

Says a lot. Michael, if you’re torn

Andrew Hiller (03:00):

Corbin, Bowmans here.

Sevan Matossian (03:02):

Uh, I kind, I kind of blew my load on, uh, Dave UBank already. Um, uh, Andrew Hiller made a video that says, who is Dave Ubanks and it’s, uh, I think this guy, I think in some of my other, um, brands, I, I went off on about him. I said he was the head of judging. I think he’s the head of scoring. Um, I’m not sure what the exact, um, or the boundaries are on that. I think Adrian used to be the head judge, and now he moved up into like head programmer. And I, I thought that maybe Dave Ubanks moved positions also, but, but I’m hearing he didn’t, but either way, either way,

Andrew Hiller (03:39):

Who’s the head judge then

Sevan Matossian (03:41):

He was, uh, oh, uh, I think the judges, I think the judges are, I think the judges are, uh, uh, um, I think Chuck Carswell’s one of the judges and I think Todd Woodman is one of the judges head judges, because there’s different. There’s like the adaptive and the masters and the teams. And then the individual, I wanna say, Chuck is like the king Dick, like the, the one that’s head of individuals, the one that matters.

Andrew Hiller (04:03):

All right. His title is king Dick, not head judge,

Sevan Matossian (04:06):

But you it’s it’s interchangeable. Sy understood.

Andrew Hiller (04:09):

That’s right.

Sevan Matossian (04:10):

But this guy, Dave view banks is in a, is in some position where he goes on the morning, chalk up and talks about game stuff, uh, aside the great Adrian Bosman. And here’s the thing <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (04:24):

Here we go. Round two.

Sevan Matossian (04:26):

It’s just SU his, his thinking is such a mess. His thinking is such a mess. I, I, I just wanna pull up this one thing. And then this is indicative of everything he posts on his he’s, he’s a hot mess. He’s, uh, extremely emotional. He’s extremely woke. Heavy. What’s woke mean woke means when you lean on the SI, when you lean on the side of, uh, a good way to think about it, he, you lean on the side of zero personal accountability and zero responsibility. That, that, that would be like a super that’s the 200,000 foot view. You think that you should be taking care of everyone and telling everyone how to think and what to do you believe in really, really, really big government, daddy government, your pro BLM, even though it’s caused to increase in homicides of black men, melanated men by 34%, you, uh, you believe you, you were for full four, you were four forced injections across the entire planet, even though they weren’t working and you continue to push that, you think it’s okay to mask little kids.

Sevan Matossian (05:23):

Those are all, that’s just, those are all, um, that’s not what woke is, but some, those are some of the symptoms of being woke. Not being able to think clearly you’re okay, doing more harm than good in order to push your agenda forward, you don’t value human life. You don’t trust human beings. You don’t believe in them. You believe in word fuckery, and that’s what I’m gonna get into here. And then I’m kind of gonna leave Dave alone. Here’s my concern. You have people coming from the mayhem empire and, and I don’t really care, but bear with me. I’m, I’m pretending to be a journalist. You have people coming from the mayhem empire. I don’t know how many are going to the games. 50 a hundred. We have a guy who’s super charismatic. Who’s super open with his life who stands on his dad’s porch with his dad and shoots bone arrows and guns. He’s adopted three or four kids. And he’s openly, uh, believes in God. And this guy who’s, the head of scoring is openly against God hates God and hates people who believe in God, he’s openly and somewhere for that’s.

Andrew Hiller (06:24):

How do you know that?

Sevan Matossian (06:26):

It’s it’s it’s on there, buddy. It’s on you go to his Facebook page and look at it. Okay. Go to his, go to his Facebook page and look at it. It’s uh, he carry on. Yes. Uh, okay. I’ll I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you, uh, you wanna see, uh, go bring up the gun one real quick. Oh, and then, and then we’ll do the chicken one.

Andrew Hiller (06:44):

Did you notice that I, uh, didn’t put any of the Facebook stuff on my video.

Sevan Matossian (06:48):

So, so my, my thought is this, if you, if you’re supposed to be non, if, if let’s say you did think all of that stuff and I’m O like, go ahead, think what you want. Um, okay. Look at this. So this is a whole argument of things. So I’ll give you an example. It says James Manfield dot, uh, is killed, uh, with her car runs into the rear of a tractor trailer. Since then all trailers have dot bars on the rear to keep cars from going under him. What he’s saying is, is someone died 1967 from hitting the back of a truck and they made changes. And since then, um, uh, they, they implemented these changes to stop people running into the back of, uh, truck trailers. What’s funny, is he left out whether that was effective or not? There’s no talk about whether that’s effective or not.

Sevan Matossian (07:30):

Right. Hey, just so you know, they’ve been circums men for a hundred years in this country to stop them from being oversexualized. And guess what? It’s ha the exact opposite is happening. We have a whole generation that’s addicted to porn, and you probably push genital mutilation too. Right? I mean, the, that just shows how flawed his thinking is. There’s no talk of whether it was effective to put these dots on the bumpers of trucks. And yet he uses that as an example of something that was done right away. I mean, it’s, it’s complete EDC. So he goes down here on the bottom and he’s trying to draw a comparison to that. That, uh, 1.5 million people have died since 1968 from guns. And the only way we can solve it apparently is through throt and thought and prayers. That’s just shitting on religious people. That’s, uh, the facetious sarcasm, and it goes on and on.

Sevan Matossian (08:23):

You can go over this Facebook page and look at this fucking bat shit crazy, fucked up thinking. I mean, it is bizarre 19 82 7 people die when Tylenol packaging was tampered with, since then it takes a PhD channel locks and sharp objects to get into bottle of pills. Well, are, are you saying, did that stop people from dying from pills? We had over 150,000 people die from fentanyl last year. I mean, he’s just a, it’s just such flawed thinking we don’t, but anyways, let me go back to this thing about, let, let me bring up, uh, the chicken and the egg thing here real quick too. Um, I appreciate you Hiller being an outstanding journalist and leading me to this. You’re a good dude.

Andrew Hiller (09:01):

Yeah, I, uh, this is, this is, this is something I a little more much, but you, you keep going have

Sevan Matossian (09:07):

Show, right? Thank you. My thing, uh, Dave, Maggie UBank. Yeah, here we go. Oh my God. Did you know why some vegetarians eat eggs though? They refuse to eat chicken. So all of a sudden this vegetarians are, are his authority. They’re his highest authority vegetarians.

Andrew Hiller (09:23):

He wants to watch the game changers

Sevan Matossian (09:26):

Because they understand that an egg is not a chicken. Oh shit, Dave. Thank you. Thank you, Dave vegetarians, understand, uh, this is true in the same way that a cluster of cells growing in a uterus is not a person. Oh, I get it. An unfertilized chicken egg is the same as a baby. That’s 36 weeks in the third trimester in a woman’s stomach. And it’s okay for vegetarians to eat them. Got it. This is the guy. Who’s the head of scoring at CrossFit.

Andrew Hiller (10:06):


Sevan Matossian (10:07):

He thinks it’s okay to eat babies. <laugh> if you’re vegetarian, God, I know that’s not what he’s saying.

Andrew Hiller (10:14):

Are you saying he is accountable? We’re talking about can cross it

Sevan Matossian (10:16):

Now. I mean, this is just emotional. I, I get emotional. I get emotional. I don’t fucking run to my Facebook and fucking post it. This is, I mean, this is okay. So if I’m at the mahem empire, if I’m following mayhem programming, I switch it. I quickly go to H WPO and order their shirts and put that on because I don’t want this guy to know that I send money to a guy who shoots guns from his deck, deck, adopts children, instead of aborts them and, and prays to God. I mean, rich is fucked. If you’re the mayhem empire, you’re fucked. You are, you are in big trouble. And this guy, Dave banks is gonna let you know,

Andrew Hiller (10:57):

You think, you think he’s sitting over there looking at them, like, fuck those guys in their guns. I have know what you’re saying?

Sevan Matossian (11:03):

I have no idea. I mean, do I think that yeah, if I had to bet money, yeah. I would think that, but, and he thinks they’re dumb Hicks and just, it’s all, it’s all the fucking he’s from Northern CA he’s up in Northern California in, in, in, um, in, you know, where all your neighbors are a hundred percent white, but everyone’s got a BLM sign in their fucking yard. <laugh> and, um, and I I’m from up there too. And so I, I, I know I used to think like that. I understand the flawed thinking. I don’t think that. And I’m sure he’s like, oh my God, no, I love rich. I’m totally open. And he is hugging a tree and doing all the stunts that they do. But, um, I’m, I’m really just being more facetious and dramatic. Like, do I really think all of this stuff? No, not even in the slightest, but it’s, I’m just pointing out the dip. Shittery if let’s say this guy was pro-Trump. Bye bye. Yeah, for sure. Motherfucking bye. If you took

Mattew Souza (11:53):

All those, uh, points of view and then just flipped them to the other

Sevan Matossian (11:56):

Side, it would not. You’re Bernie Sanders and you and you, and you believe in, um, free drugs for the homeless. You’re good to go. Here’s the amazing thing too. Check this out. <laugh> he works for a company that has the cure to C, but they, and yet that company hasn’t said it once. Yeah,

Mattew Souza (12:13):

But they lack the loud speaker,

Sevan Matossian (12:15):

But, but they have, they have a CEO.

Andrew Hiller (12:17):

Do they

Sevan Matossian (12:19):

Castro, they have, they have, uh, Gary Gaines. He works for a company that has the ability to do something positive and save lives. And instead they got people at the top worried about shit like this. And no one from the top is up there. Like, oh my God, if you just stop eating refined carbs and added sugars, you you’re a hundred percent safe from this Ko with shit. They can’t, they haven’t even said that yet.

Andrew Hiller (12:43):

Have you heard of some betide?

Sevan Matossian (12:45):

No, but it, it sounds like something that’s part of my, uh, um, the, the makes the viscosity of my semen. Like there’s sperm semaglutide in there. And water H two O

Andrew Hiller (12:56):

That’s the new, big thing in a weight loss.

Sevan Matossian (12:59):

Oh, semaglutide no. Oh no. Yeah. You and I were kind of talking about this, huh?

Andrew Hiller (13:03):

Yeah. It just makes you not hungry. Actually. It makes you feel like you wanna die if you eat too much. So it makes you not want to eat too much.

Sevan Matossian (13:10):

Well, I think Dave view banks might have a really nice body. He doesn’t need any semaglutide will help him with his thinking.

Andrew Hiller (13:15):

You brought up the, that CrossFit is the cure to COVID. And I was like, you know, I’ve been listening to this stuff and how it’s a, a miraculous miracle drug and how everyone’s jumping on it.

Sevan Matossian (13:25):


Andrew Hiller (13:26):

I’m trying to steer the conversation away from Dave. You banks, we’re gonna kill ya, but keep going.

Sevan Matossian (13:31):

I cannot believe you. You like the fuse. You like the Fu see, I think, uh, Hiller’s gone woke. He’s not taking personal responsibility and accountability for me. He’s

Mattew Souza (13:40):

Yet. He’s got soft. He’s got

Andrew Hiller (13:41):

Soft. No. Do Robert, the point of the video that I made was that it’s probably making people uncomfortable. And I think that you’re seconding that, but like, just you’re, you’re hammering that rich might be stupid, uncomfortable when he goes to the games and he might not be just uncomfortable though, in

Sevan Matossian (13:55):

Score over there. No, they’re they, they rich doesn’t care. You’re

Andrew Hiller (13:58):

Saying he’s bringing the AR he’s bringing the artillery there just in case.

Sevan Matossian (14:02):

He’s fine. He knows he’s gonna win. No matter what he’s

Andrew Hiller (14:04):

Rich senior is coming with a bow just in case.

Sevan Matossian (14:07):

He’s he, if I I’m thinking, I don’t know, I haven’t spoken to rich, but if I’m rich, I’m like proud of all that shit. I’m like, yeah. I adopted kids. Yeah. I pray to God. Yeah. I shoot guns from the deck.

Mattew Souza (14:17):

I mean, I think he is a little bit.

Sevan Matossian (14:19):

Yeah. Yeah, of course. I’m, I’m proud. I’m proud that he does that.

Andrew Hiller (14:22):

Why not? I’m not back. I’m not backing off.

Sevan Matossian (14:24):

Yeah. Yeah. Don’t back off.

Andrew Hiller (14:27):

I’m I’m just talking about what I know. I don’t know any about that shit. That’s your world.

Sevan Matossian (14:31):

Let’s talk about joy.

Andrew Hiller (14:34):

Okay. You talked to, you talked about him a lot yesterday with hunter. Hunter didn’t seem to, uh, very much agree with our opinion, which is that you need to appreciate the fact that he’s taking a different, I don’t think he understands that everybody in CrossFit, when they pop, they also seem to also lie about the fact that it’s like, oh, it’s a contaminated supplement. And then I tried to second that with the one video I made, which was the CrossFit CrossFitter Mitz PD D usage after the B sample had also proven that it wasn’t going to set him free.

Sevan Matossian (15:04):

Right. I do. I do see Hunter’s point though, don’t you like?

Andrew Hiller (15:08):

Oh, I also see Hunter’s point.

Sevan Matossian (15:09):

Yeah, yeah,

Andrew Hiller (15:09):

Yeah. Yeah. He still cheated. Like, of course. And obviously it helped every year. He finishes in like the teens at the highest level, and then he finishes fifth and he won the first two events. So to obviously work,

Sevan Matossian (15:21):

There’s just, there’s just eventually, if you take the, I’m mad at you, I hate you route. You have to come back to it. It always ends in forgiveness a as you get closer to your death. So do you wanna take the full course or do you wanna just go straight to, uh, forgiveness? Not might be the right word, but there’s a high road here. There’s a way to like, he set himself free by admitting it. We should set ourself free by accepting it. If we hate him and we’re angry with him, then we have to carry that with us. Well, he said himself free. Why would we now carry that hate? And that anger around with us. I’m not glorifying him. I don’t think, I don’t think we’re glorifying him or some other people make the presupposition that now he’s getting more attention than ever. Well, I don’t, I don’t know if he wants that attention and then the pre attention. Good. What? Say it again.

Andrew Hiller (16:07):

He might never get any attention ever again because of that though. Yeah. So like, it just like the peak and then it’s like a stock that just drops off the base of the earth. It’s like doge coin.

Sevan Matossian (16:16):

The only

Mattew Souza (16:16):

People that really have skin in the game are the people that he competed with at that day. At that time, that didn’t, that spots got messed up.

Andrew Hiller (16:22):

Right. Have we heard from anyone other than ner?

Sevan Matossian (16:25):

Well, you know who, um, uh, I I’ve been chatting with, uh, Austin, uh, Spencer, and I’ve been texting with him, but, um,

Andrew Hiller (16:33):

Is he pissed or is he like,

Sevan Matossian (16:35):

Uh, well, he, he, I, I don’t think he’s pissed at all, but I don’t know. But basically before I answer any questions, he basically says he doesn’t wanna talk about it quite yet. And I understand why he wants to make sure he’s still waiting to see what happens to him. You know? I think he just wants to make sure that he gets to go to the games or doesn’t get to go to the games he just wants to know for sure. And then once he knows that, then I think he’ll talk. He’s a cool, he’s a cool dude. Once I saw his picture, I started having all these memories of, uh, hanging with him in Albany. He’s a quiet seems like he’s man,

Andrew Hiller (17:04):

Big bones. He’s got big bones.

Sevan Matossian (17:06):

He’s a he’s he’s, he’s built different. He’s like rhino material. Yeah. Yeah. He’s

Andrew Hiller (17:12):

Leaning’s got the big beard. Right. And the, his wrists. Okay. To the size of my ankles.

Sevan Matossian (17:16):

<laugh> yeah. And just all his features look like they’re thicker than, than your average human beings. Penis is like, his penis is like a tuna can, is I heard

Andrew Hiller (17:27):

A tuna 10. Have you seen a tuna? You know, they’re like this, right? <laugh> I don’t think, I don’t think that’s something that you want.

Sevan Matossian (17:35):

I had a friend who’s a professional athlete. Tell me one time his penis was a tuned accountant. I was like, wow. No, it’s not. I don’t think it is.

Andrew Hiller (17:44):

I don’t. You can’t do very much. Is that it’s like a, it’s like a plug. It’s like a, it’s like the thing you in the bathtub to stop the water. That’s no good for anything.

Sevan Matossian (17:51):

It’s like something you trip over.

Andrew Hiller (17:52):

Oh God. Yeah. It’s like, oh Jesus. So yeah, hunter. Um, I understand where he was coming from for sure. He, he, but then did you catch the part there where you talking about his buddy in D H E and he was trying to defend him a little bit. Yeah. It’s different. It’s different. It’s like, there’s not CrossFiters over there trying to say that they’re taking over the counter supplements and there was one last year that yeah. Actually took D E a, I think she was on the move, fast lift heavy team with Chris Harris. And it was legit D E the exact same thing. And I was like, wait a minute, hunter, do your research before you defend your buddy.

Sevan Matossian (18:28):

Hey, is that, um, is that, uh, is, is what is D H E a? Is it, is it significant in, in, in helping someone? Like, if I took it, like, would you, would I be all of a sudden be like my grace time is now sub 10 minutes on

Andrew Hiller (18:42):

A very, very basic level. I do think that what he was saying was true was that it’s not like a peptide or a hormone where it’s gonna have clear advantages, but it’s supposed to promote a healthier testosterone level, especially in females.

Sevan Matossian (18:55):

So it would be like if I bought 12 drinks for a girl at $10, a pop and spent a hundred and spent $120 on her and bought myself 10 drinks at $120 a pop and spent $240. And then someone accused me of sleeping with a prostitute. And I said, no. And they said, but you did spend $240. It’s like that.

Andrew Hiller (19:19):

I would would say a better correlation to this would be,

Sevan Matossian (19:22):

You can’t cancel me. You can’t cancel me. Fuck you. Go ahead. Sorry. Sorry. Andrew go

Andrew Hiller (19:27):

A, a better correlation would be like, you’re buying all of these drinks, hoping she’s gonna come home with you. And then she doesn’t and you’re pissed. That’s how I got

Sevan Matossian (19:35):

Bumped peds. I got bumped

Andrew Hiller (19:37):

That’s that’s about how well, I think D works that doesn’t make it any more legal, but

Sevan Matossian (19:43):

Thank you. Usually

Andrew Hiller (19:44):

Anything you can buy it like a vitamin shop for a GNC. Isn’t gonna work as well as something that you’ll get from a doctor or an underground doctor. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (19:52):

Can you get D H E a at, uh, at a,

Andrew Hiller (19:55):

At, yeah, you can get on Amazon.

Sevan Matossian (19:57):

Oh, okay. Go Christine. I have no, my, no, my grace time is probably 30 minutes. One rep I haven’t done grace in fucking 10 years. I know, but I I’m glad you caught that joke.

Andrew Hiller (20:05):

10 minutes. Is that the next one? You’re doing grace. Next. You did it though. Two camera. Now you’re doing grace.

Sevan Matossian (20:10):

I did do, uh, 20 squat cleans the other day with 1 35. I hadn’t done any squat cleans with 1 35 and probably again 10 years, but I just wanted to like, take it out for a test run.

Andrew Hiller (20:20):

How’d it go?

Sevan Matossian (20:22):

It was fine. I mean, I did, ’em really, really slow. And I did them. I was doing assault bike in between the reps, but, um, but I’m not sore. I’m chill and I, I didn’t go overhead with it though.

Andrew Hiller (20:32):

I think you should do grace this week.

Sevan Matossian (20:34):

Yeah. Right.

Andrew Hiller (20:35):

Come on. How long did the 20 squad students take you with the bike? What were you doing?

Sevan Matossian (20:40):

40 minutes. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (20:44):

So what do you think grace would take you? I,

Sevan Matossian (20:47):

I, I, I, I don’t know. I don’t know.

Andrew Hiller (20:49):

I bet you, I bet you could do it in 10 minutes or less for sure.

Sevan Matossian (20:52):

I, I just game it three a minute. Mm-hmm

Andrew Hiller (20:54):

<affirmative> exactly do one every 20 seconds. Mm-hmm

Sevan Matossian (20:57):

<affirmative> uh, who’s to

Andrew Hiller (20:59):

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Sevan Matossian (21:01):

Toby Johnson. Who’s Toby Johnson.

Andrew Hiller (21:03):

Toby. Johnson’s the guy from Coda CrossFit who was, I think he was on the United team. They had a couple of teams at that, and I know a handful of individuals on the other team, cuz they used to be in the Chicagoland area. And Toby Johnson has affiliation. I think that’s who hunter was talking about, has affiliation with somebody in Oklahoma or Ohio as well. So he kinda like screwed his business partners in a way don’t quote me on that. But I think that’s the tie in that he was trying to make. And Toby Johnson popped on the drug test along with Jalen Franklin and claimed it was a contaminated supplement. And then after the B sample came back, said that it was no longer a contaminated supplement.

Sevan Matossian (21:44):

Okay. So he came clean too.

Andrew Hiller (21:46):

He came clean after two times removed where Joelle came clean after one time removed and what seemed like a couple of hours. So what I was trying to say was that it took him a couple of steps. Joelle did it right away. And the only thing next would be someone to come clean without having popped positive. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (22:04):

Why are these guys getting caught? Um, uh,

Andrew Hiller (22:07):

Because they’re stupid.

Sevan Matossian (22:08):

<laugh> is, is that really? Why?

Andrew Hiller (22:13):

If, if you, if you were to take something right now and I’ve said it would make you do grace in two minutes, you’d be like, oh, of course I’m gonna do that. Andrew didn’t think I could do it in 10 minutes. Right. And I told you that if you were taking a drug test in a month and they wouldn’t be able to check it as long as it cleared out I’m

Sevan Matossian (22:26):

System. Yep. I’m game.

Andrew Hiller (22:29):

But let’s just say that I’m not a doctor and I haven’t researched this, this substance long enough and it actually takes a month and a half or two. They’re gonna find metabolites of that in your urine.

Sevan Matossian (22:38):

Okay. So that’s what you mean by stupid. They haven’t done their research, but it like everything happening everything’s happening. Right.

Andrew Hiller (22:44):

Everything that they’ve read is incorrect because all of the studies on the substance they’re popping for were shut down because it was giving reds cancer. They gave reds cancer and they’re like, fuck this. Why would we do more studies on this? And then think the clearance time isn’t accurate. So they think that it’s gonna be in there for a month, maybe a month and a half. So when you hear Jaylin for England, say I stopped taking it in March. It shouldn’t have been in there. It shouldn’t have been in there with what he read, but no reality it’s gonna be in there for three, four, maybe five months.

Sevan Matossian (23:14):


Andrew Hiller (23:14):

They don’t fucking know.

Sevan Matossian (23:15):

If, if, if, if you’re over at a girl’s house while her boyfriend’s gone and you’re doing it with her mm-hmm <affirmative> and her boyfriend comes home 30 minutes earlier than you thought, and you get caught Uhhuh. It’s not that you’re stupid, but if you’re banging her and you last 90 minutes instead of 60 minutes, so you’re there 30 minutes too long and he comes home and catches you, then you’re stupid. It’s your fault. <laugh> what you’re saying is, is that the ladder happened to them. I’m just trying to understand it in my world. You’re saying that, that these people just judged the time wrong that they could have gotten away with it, but they fucked it all up. And the boyfriend came home and got them.

Andrew Hiller (23:53):

I would say that in your example, he should have stopped. Like he he’s like, all right, I’ve never, I’ve never lasted this long before I gotta cut this off. And he knew better. He knew better. In that case, these people don’t know better. He’s like, oh,

Sevan Matossian (24:06):

Well maybe he was done. And he was in the kitchen eating something. I don’t want give this my credit for fucking, for 90 minutes. But he

Mattew Souza (24:11):


Sevan Matossian (24:12):

A little bit. But either way he was hanging out

Mattew Souza (24:14):

His, his sandwich.

Sevan Matossian (24:15):

He should have, he should have eaten out. Okay. So,

Andrew Hiller (24:17):

And, and in terms of everything else that people may or may not be taking either it’s undetectable in my opinion, or they do something like, do you know the testosterone esters? There’s a suspension. There’s propionate. There’s an NTA sip, innate. And then there’s even longer straight, uh, uh, types of esters on the testosterones. So if you were to take a testosterone suspension, it’d be outta your system in four days, max. So you could take it right now. You can take a drug test. A couple of days got, gotten all juiced up. And as long as you hadn’t taken it in four days, you’re good to go.

Sevan Matossian (24:47):

Hey, can I get that stuff outta Amazon? <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (24:49):

You? That that’s stuff you can’t get off Amazon.

Sevan Matossian (24:52):

Can I get it on the internet?

Andrew Hiller (24:54):

Uh, in places you probably could find it. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (24:56):

Where else would you get it?

Andrew Hiller (24:58):

A doctor.

Sevan Matossian (24:59):

Oh, a

Andrew Hiller (25:01):

A hormone clinic, California

Sevan Matossian (25:03):

Hormones. I’ll take the Pfizer booster and five grams of the testosterone

Andrew Hiller (25:07):


Sevan Matossian (25:08):

Why are you doing that? Well, because I wanna go to Canada and compete and not get pot

Andrew Hiller (25:13):

To can wait. That’s right. That’s that’s the longest stir of, uh, testosterone that got like a six month clearance time.

Sevan Matossian (25:20):

Hey, do you need a vaccine to go to Denmark? Someone asked me that in my comments. I don’t even know what the rules

Mattew Souza (25:24):

Are. I don’t, I don’t think you, I don’t think there’s many regulation on it anymore. I was looking it up cuz I’m gonna do some international travel later in the fall. And there’s no vaccine requirement.

Sevan Matossian (25:34):

If you go to CA hormones.com, you’re going there in the fall to Denmark,

Mattew Souza (25:39):

Not to Denmark. No.

Sevan Matossian (25:40):

Oh. Uh, if you, uh, go to CA hormones.com, sign up for your free blood work. Get your doctor’s consultation. Use the password Seon.

Andrew Hiller (25:49):

I’ll say it once. I’ll say it again. I feel like I do more advertising for them than you do.

Sevan Matossian (25:54):

I’m sure you

Andrew Hiller (25:54):

Do every time I’m on your show. It’s like, oh, Hey Hiller. Talk about, Hey. And there it is. You’re welcome, California

Sevan Matossian (25:59):

Hormones. I wore my Hiller fit shirt. My no rep shirt yesterday.

Andrew Hiller (26:03):

That’s nice. Where’d you wear it?

Sevan Matossian (26:05):

Two hours and 48 minutes on that programming show with fucking Jr and Taylor <laugh>.

Andrew Hiller (26:11):

So I haven’t listened to that yet. I was watching the CrossFit documentary. How did that go? That was good. Did ke block me? Somebody sent me something this morning and I couldn’t see who it was from. And

Mattew Souza (26:22):

I had Katherine blocks. Everybody who’s been on this show.

Andrew Hiller (26:25):

Shut the fuck up.

Sevan Matossian (26:27):

<laugh> she? She hasn’t blocked me. I don’t, she hasn’t blocked me.

Andrew Hiller (26:29):

No, I’m not blocked. I just checked.

Sevan Matossian (26:32):

She doesn’t care. Hey, um, it doesn’t matter. Yeah, the show’s I mean, I, the show was long dude.

Mattew Souza (26:39):


Sevan Matossian (26:40):

It was. But it’s ki the numbers are killing it.

Mattew Souza (26:42):

Yeah, it was good. I thought it was good. There was a lot of great information. It was actually a really nice like trip down, uh, games. Memory lane is what actually happened.

Andrew Hiller (26:51):

I, I think I heard lawn re I knew it was either Jr or Jr Taylor or Jr. They were excited about it. I gotta watch it. That’ll be something I do while I work out today. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (27:00):

Taylor told me that, uh, the show was gonna kill it. And I was like, yeah, right. Fucking five people give a fuck about programming, but he’s right. It’s killing it.

Andrew Hiller (27:08):

Fuck a lot of people, a lot of people, seven, we need to educate you.

Sevan Matossian (27:13):

I’m I’m learning about decade eight and pre menstruate and stuff

Andrew Hiller (27:17):

To can wait

Sevan Matossian (27:18):

To can wait, uh, use to, uh, you suspect Andrew Hiller suspects. There are a ton of other athletes that are taking a ton of stuff.

Andrew Hiller (27:26):

I didn’t say a ton. I just said certain things that are undetectable, you know? Oh,

Sevan Matossian (27:31):

Can you gimme an example?

Andrew Hiller (27:32):

I can parlay this into the Ben Smith podcast that I listened to yesterday.

Sevan Matossian (27:36):

Yeah. I started listening that to, Hey, I like his co-host. Taylor said he didn’t like him. I like him.

Andrew Hiller (27:40):

No, he’s doing good now. Yeah, he’s doing much better.

Sevan Matossian (27:42):

What’s the dude’s name?

Andrew Hiller (27:44):

Fuck. I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (27:46):

He was great. I, I listened to that show too. That was actually a really good show. And I hate steroid talk, but go on. Talk to me about steroids.

Andrew Hiller (27:52):

It wasn’t like very much steroid talk though. That was just a title. And you know what people are doing. The clickbait thing, I have made a difference. Everybody’s clickbaiting, it’s pretty funny. Yes. It’s like peds. And then all of a sudden, everyone clicks on the Ben Smith show. Uh,

Sevan Matossian (28:05):

Hey, you really wanna click rate BA write titties.

Mattew Souza (28:08):


Andrew Hiller (28:09):

You know, my video for tomorrow just says titties

Sevan Matossian (28:12):

<laugh> titties. Good.

Andrew Hiller (28:14):

Uh, I actually titled one this week. Just, it just says, click bear there.

Sevan Matossian (28:18):

I saw it. It’s so good.

Andrew Hiller (28:21):


Mattew Souza (28:21):

Liver king and a chicken of bikini

Andrew Hiller (28:24):

In there. Ben Smith said that he believes that there’s things that are undetectable as well. The way that he verbalized it was that the chemists are ahead of the drug testers, which is another way of saying they’re undetectable.

Sevan Matossian (28:36):

Uh, Jim Lubin. Lubinski, Lubinski the guy who did the, uh, 365 MEFs. Hillary needs to start charging for a consultation for people looking

Andrew Hiller (28:45):

To, Hey,

Sevan Matossian (28:47):

That guy, he pays $200 an hour to talk to dude knows his shit.

Andrew Hiller (28:51):

Can you tell me what you were doing right there? Well, what is this?

Sevan Matossian (28:55):

The, the phone is block. The, the, the live call in phone is blocking. Um,

Andrew Hiller (29:00):

Oh, we got a live callin number. Thank you, Jim. By the way,

Sevan Matossian (29:04):

Uh, the live call in phone is blocking the, the writing. So I couldn’t see it.

Andrew Hiller (29:08):

If I do a couple of those, it’ll pay for half of, uh, what I paid to learn about all of it. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (29:15):

Um, is there anything you can show us on the internet that SU can go to, that you can show us, that people can take that, um, that you, that you wouldn’t get caught for, but would help you tremendously would give me a third lung,

Andrew Hiller (29:29):

Uh, yeah. Give you wanna gimme two seconds. You had something to talk about while I search.

Sevan Matossian (29:33):

Of course. There we go. Right. Um, you fucking know rep a guy at Costco.

Andrew Hiller (29:39):

<laugh> pretty funny, right?

Sevan Matossian (29:43):

That was crazy. I was kind of, that was like one of the Mo more intimate stories. Um, you’ve shared, first of all, the people who stole your car tinted your front window.

Mattew Souza (29:53):

That’s exactly what I was gonna ask. I had that down too. I was like, what the fuck?

Andrew Hiller (29:57):

Wait. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah, they did. Did they open.

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