#481 – Nycolas Joyal | CrossFit Athlete Fails Drug Test

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Yeah. More live. Hey, Hey, what’s up, dude?

Nycolas Joyal (00:07):

How’s it going?

Sevan Matossian (00:10):

Is a part of you? Like what the fuck am I doing? Just turn off my computer. Go outside. Don’t deal with this shit. Go on with my day. Can you hear me?

Nycolas Joyal (00:24):

Yeah, I can. Can you hear me?

Sevan Matossian (00:25):

Oh yeah. I can hear you.

Mattew Souza (00:27):


Sevan Matossian (00:29):

Um, are you, are you sick to your stomach? Are you like, what the fuck am I doing? Like, I just wanted like, why I’m not even gonna do like five minutes before you sat down where you like, Hey, I’m not doing this shit. Fuck this. I’m just gonna go outside. I’m gonna go about my day. I’m gonna work out. I’m gonna go to my job. I’m gonna, um, kiss my girlfriend. Like I would just wanna like push all this shit away. You don’t owe anything to anybody?

Nycolas Joyal (00:51):

Uh, yeah. Uh, I’m a bit stressed out, but, uh, uh, I was looking forward to, to this, uh, podcast, so yeah, I’m a bit stressed out, but, uh, I, I really wanted to be here.

Sevan Matossian (01:06):

Okay. Wow. I’m impressed. When, when I always get these feelings of, um, like, like I get like, I, when, when I’d be put in a situation that, that you’ve been put in, I, I don’t know. I, I read your thing and you, you sound like, you feel like you’ve let a lot of people down and when I feel that way, I just wanna run away, you know?

Nycolas Joyal (01:25):

Yeah. Um, obviously there’s a lot of people, um, that, uh, from my gym, from my surroundings that, uh, contacted me and, uh, they’re all saying, uh, um, they’re all saying pretty much the same thing. Like it’s a mistake, blah, blah, blah. And, uh, it, it’s cool to hear, but, uh, I still am, uh, a bit, uh, ashamed of, uh, like I, I, I just, I, I don’t want to go to my gym right now and look these people in the eye.

Sevan Matossian (01:59):

Yeah. You think, you think, uh, this is kind of starting at the end, but you think you’ll be more forgiving as a human being because this happened to you?

Nycolas Joyal (02:13):

Uh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Um, uh, you don’t realize how hard it is on people, uh, when they mess up. And, uh, now that I know what it feels like, uh, for sure I’ll be more, a more forgiving person.

Sevan Matossian (02:31):

Cause I, I, I already, I, I was this morning in the shower, I was thinking about that. I was thinking about how even hearing your story makes me wanna be a more forgiving person. Not even more forgiving. I wanna be, even before it comes to forgiving, I wanna be even more accepting of people.

Nycolas Joyal (02:50):

Yeah. Yeah. It’s, uh, it, it definitely, uh, opened my eyes about a few things and, uh, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (03:02):

Um, there’s these relationships we have with every, how old are you?

Nycolas Joyal (03:07):

28, 28.

Sevan Matossian (03:09):

Do you have kids?

Nycolas Joyal (03:11):

I don’t.

Sevan Matossian (03:13):

There are these relationships we have on the planet and we, we mimic them off of the, the relationships we have with our, our brothers and sisters. Do you have brothers and sisters?

Nycolas Joyal (03:26):

Yeah. I got a brother,

Sevan Matossian (03:28):

Brother. Yeah. Are you close with him?

Nycolas Joyal (03:31):

Uh, I’d say it’s a normal brother. Uh, brother relationship. Not nothing too crazy.

Sevan Matossian (03:39):

Older, younger,

Nycolas Joyal (03:40):

Younger. He said two and a half years younger.

Sevan Matossian (03:43):

So he, but if I, so if I asked him, he might say he really looks up to you.

Nycolas Joyal (03:48):

Yeah. Yeah. He, he, he was actually one of the first to message me and, uh, he pretty much, uh, said that no matter what happened, uh, he, I’m still his, uh, his, um, his figure. I dunno how to say it in English, but, uh, uh, he still looks up to me.

Sevan Matossian (04:08):

So, so we have these relationships with people and like, you have one with your mom, you have one with your dad. And, and you know that the conventional wisdom is we all marry our mom and then women all marry their dad, right? These are the relationships we have with people. And after you establish them with your parents, you sort of relive them with everyone else. But I realize today, and I’m not just saying this, like from some old man perspective, but I realize today I have a son now. And so when I read the people in your comments, commenting about what you posted, you’re not only my father and my mother and my sister, because those are the relationships I have that are deeply ingrained in me, but you’re my son. And I start, and I see people saying mean things to you. And then I start to imagine even one step further.

Sevan Matossian (04:55):

What if I was those people’s father? I would rather have you as my son than someone spitting on a man when he is down, I would rather have Joel any fucking day of the week as my son, I’ll take a thousand Joels before I’ll take 10,000 of these guys who will spit on none of those people’s parents are proud of them. All of those people’s parents are embarrassed because a true warrior, a true man wants to, wants to, wants to tussle with the, the biggest monsters, not, not, not a wounded soldier on the field. And, uh, just, just remember that those guys aren’t, um, those guys don’t make their parents happy. Those guys are an embarrassment to their family name and, and, and, and you are not. So I, I, I just wanted to tell you, uh, it was, it was very emotional for me to, uh, to kind of, to see that.

Nycolas Joyal (05:51):

Yeah, thank you very much. It’s it, it, it definitely was one of the, the hardest, uh, thing I had to, uh, come out with. Um, yeah. And especially hearing all those, uh, of course there, there was a, there was a bunch of good messages, but there was also a lot of, uh, of, uh, of bad ones. And, uh, it just, um, it just, uh, I think it’s overkill a little bit,

Sevan Matossian (06:25):

It’s you? Um, you are kind enough to put it out in English and French.

Nycolas Joyal (06:28):

Yeah. Because I know there’s a lot,

Sevan Matossian (06:31):


Nycolas Joyal (06:32):

I know there’s a lot of people in, uh, who are English that, uh, follows me Uhhuh

Sevan Matossian (06:37):

<affirmative> and

Nycolas Joyal (06:38):

I didn’t want anybody to, uh, like, uh, have to, uh, go translate. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (06:46):

Um, so what you’ve been doing you’re 28. So you found CrossFit when you were 19.

Nycolas Joyal (06:51):

Yeah. Uh, I can say, uh, I remember the exact date, actually. It was the September 17th of, uh, 2013 was my first CrossFit workout.

Sevan Matossian (07:04):

And, uh, and how did you stumble upon it? Were you an athlete before?

Nycolas Joyal (07:08):

Uh, I always was a big sport guy. Um, I, I, I just came, uh, in, in 2013, I was, uh, I was finished with, uh, trembling. I have a big, uh, trampoline background and, um, I was just looking for something else. Uh, you know, that a bit, that’s a bit more, um, uh, demanding on the physical side and, uh, yeah, just looking through some video on YouTube, I found CrossFit. And what was it

Sevan Matossian (07:41):

Really? So, uh, you came into it with amazing body awareness. You were jumping around doing flips, twists up in the air, just you basically, you know, you knew your body and you came in. You’re like, okay, I wanna put my body through this too.

Nycolas Joyal (07:54):

Yeah, yeah. Um, uh, I was doing like the, the Olympic style trampoline, like I was competing and, uh, it was, uh, uh, serious tramping, not just, uh, some tricking or, uh, it was the actual sport.

Sevan Matossian (08:11):

And then, so, and, and, and when a, after you start this trampoline thing, when do you start getting aspirations for, um, going to the CrossFit games? How long are you? How long are you doing CrossFit? Where you’re like, oh, shit, I can compete in this.

Nycolas Joyal (08:25):

Um, for like two and a half years, something like that. Uh, when, when the, uh, the first time I really tried to put all my efforts in this, uh, sport was in, uh, just before the, uh, 2016 open. Um, I, uh, I was working with, for my dad, um, and I told my family that I wanted to quit and try to train full time. Um, so yeah, first year in 2016, I, I didn’t qualify to the regionals, but I managed to do it in 2017.

Sevan Matossian (09:05):

Okay. So, and your parents did, and you let your parents, did they supported you? They’re like, okay, go ahead. Try it. And you gave it your all after doing, you’d only been doing CrossFit for three years, two and a half years.

Nycolas Joyal (09:15):

Yeah. Um, my parents always encouraged me, like, uh, in doing sports. Um, and they saw that I was, uh, I was pretty serious about, uh, this and I, I wasn’t wasting time. I wasn’t like, um, just enjoying life and, uh, having fun and partying and every stuff like that. So, uh, yeah, when I, when I, when I, uh, when I, when I announced it, it was a bit of a shock for them, but, um, they, they, they said, yes, they, they accepted it.

Sevan Matossian (09:50):

And so then for the next six years that we would have to come forward, that was 2016, 17. Uh, we would have to come forward three, five more years to bring us to this year.

Nycolas Joyal (10:03):


Sevan Matossian (10:04):

And in your, in your, as, as so, so, and then, so when we, when the open started this year, um, were you happy with your performance in the open?

Nycolas Joyal (10:14):

I wasn’t at all. So, but the, the, the, my performance in the open this year was, uh, one of the main driving factor for, uh, what I did.

Sevan Matossian (10:27):

You didn’t tell me more about that. You, you did the open, you’re like, fuck. Something’s wrong.

Nycolas Joyal (10:32):

Yeah. Um, so I, I started like trying to gear up for the open and doing a bit more, uh, uh, open style workouts and, and stuff like that, uh, at the beginning of the year. And, um, when the time of the open came up, uh, I tried like, uh, 22.1 22.2, and I was, uh, really not happy with, uh, what, what my capabilities were were. Um, so yeah, I was, I was, uh, a bit, um, depressed about it. So I had a, I had like a few pounds of extra by weight that I need to, that I needed to shred. Um, I, I didn’t felt fit. I didn’t felt strong. I didn’t, uh, I really didn’t like the athlete that I was at the time of the open. So, um, that’s what made me, uh, I dunno how to say it in English. That that’s what made me like, uh, fall on the wrong side.

Sevan Matossian (11:41):

So you do the open and that’s is that, that’s when the thoughts start creeping in, that’s when you start get on Google and you’re like, okay, what can I take to make myself better?

Nycolas Joyal (11:49):

Yeah, I was, I was looking at, um, you know, any, any sort of, uh, uh, supplements that can like, uh, help with, uh, endurance or stuff like that. And, and I, one thing led to another, I felt, I felt, uh, I listened to the wrong video at the wrong time of my life on YouTube. And, uh, yeah, that’s what made me start, start looking for it and start to started the two, like, we got some things

Sevan Matossian (12:19):

When, when I heard, um, uh, chase Ingram, um, obviously I’m not competing against anyone, but when I heard, um, chase Ingram, uh, interview Ricky and Ricky said that he did that stuff rad 40 and something else, like while I’m watching the video, I’m, I’m Googling. And I found a store that sold it, and I put it in my shopping cart and I wanted to buy some and try it. And then as I’m checking out, it’s telling me that it’s gonna make my prostate big. And I already had a dude, ditle my prostate. I didn’t like <laugh>

Nycolas Joyal (12:52):

Already went through that

Sevan Matossian (12:52):

Experience. I didn’t like it at all. You’ve done a lot. And, uh, and so I didn’t, I didn’t buy it and I never got to try. Um, I never got to try it. I, I tried, you know, I, I, I fuck around with CREs. And, um, but so is, was it like that you were just, you were watching one of these videos on steroids and how to, or, or performance enhancing drugs and how to get past it. And you’re like, oh, shit, I can do that. I can, I have this much time. I have this much schedule. I can take this and get off and be clean. Can, can you kinda walk me through what you heard? And when I watched the Ricky ARD video, by the way, this is how, what a simpleton and easily I’m influenced. I wasn’t going there to, I wasn’t watching chase interviewing because I was looking for some insight. It would be like, if I saw you wearing that shirt and I’m like, that’s a nice shirt. And while I’m talking to you, I started shopping for it. You know what I mean? It was like that.

Nycolas Joyal (13:36):

Yeah. Yeah. I think we all, um, I think we all fantasize a little bit about what, oh, imagine if I could take this what my body could have do or, or things like that one point or another, we all do, but, um, uh, yeah. Uh, I, I just read about it and, uh, um, like the effect

Sevan Matossian (13:57):

You read or you saw video, or both?

Nycolas Joyal (13:59):

Both, both. Yeah. I saw the video first and, and then I went on, on Google and, and tried to read some things up. Um, and when I, when I, um, when I read what the side effects were, um, on, on the negative health side versus what it would, um, uh, allow me to do, um, I, I, I was, uh, like the things that it would allow me to do outweighed the bad, the bad health side effects

Sevan Matossian (14:32):

And, and what you were looking, you knew specifically what you were looking for, you were looking for something for endurance.

Nycolas Joyal (14:38):

Yeah. Yeah. Um, I can say it. I don’t mind. Um, I got tested positive for, uh, GW 5 0 1, 516. Like the,

Sevan Matossian (14:45):

Wait, wait, wait, say it again. I gotta write to GW

Nycolas Joyal (14:53):

Five oh one fifty six five one five sixteen, five sixteen.

Sevan Matossian (14:53):

Okay. I’ll call Andrew afterwards and ask him what I gonna

Nycolas Joyal (14:56):

Say. It’s what the Ricky popped for. And, uh, there was also, uh, oing in my, uh, urine, but, um, the only thing I actually wanted to take was, uh, uh, carting was, uh, the, uh, GW. Um, and I have no idea where the Austria came from. Maybe it was from the, the, the, the bottle of, uh, of GW itself. But, uh, I really can’t tell for sure.

Sevan Matossian (15:25):

Um, why, why did you choose that? So, so were the, was your decision made on how it would affect you and how quickly you could get it outta your system?

Nycolas Joyal (15:37):

Uh, it was, it was a decision made based off on, based off of everything. Like what it would allow me to do, what, uh, what the half life was, what, uh, uh, I mean, when I, when I say halflife, what is the, it’s more like when, um, how much, how long it can stay in your body, in your system. And, um, uh, it’s GWS may is like a CrossFit’s dream on what it allows you, you allow, allows your body to do

Sevan Matossian (16:10):

So. Meaning when you took it, you felt something.

Nycolas Joyal (16:14):

Uh, not, not nearly as much as I, as I thought it would. I only took it for two weeks. I have to say exactly for 14 days. So maybe I didn’t take it for long enough, but, uh, it wasn’t, uh, maybe it changed something, but not even enough to, to make me, uh, notice it.

Sevan Matossian (16:41):

So, so, okay. Just to be clear. And, and I know that there’s a language barrier. You’re saying it’s a CrossFitter dream, not in practice, but in theory, when you read it, you’re like, oh, yep. That’s a CrossFit dream. Yeah. But when took it, but when you took it, your, like Ricky said, he didn’t even, he didn’t even, or I, I don’t wanna put words in his mouth, but like, Hey, this shit didn’t even help me. Yeah. You’re not saying that. And it sounds like you’re saying it cuz you don’t want to be a Dick, but, but you don’t know you, you didn’t come outta there being like, like if you take a Viagra, you will have a fucking Dick Dick. And like, if you take a Viagra and a Vicodin, you could fuck like the whole east county. It yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, it’s working there’s no, it’s not like that with this. You didn’t go in there and you’re like, you’re carrying instead of pulling 1 45 off at a time you’re pulling three. It’s not like that.

Nycolas Joyal (17:28):

No, not at all. Um,

Sevan Matossian (17:30):

You don’t test your, your, your, your, your mild PR twice in a row. Once at noon and once at two.

Nycolas Joyal (17:35):

Yeah, exactly. I, I, I didn’t test anything before and after, like, I, I did not do, um, uh, like a two K row before and a two K row, two weeks after mm-hmm <affirmative>, um, I didn’t do anything, uh, like that, but, uh, um, physically what I, what I felt, um, it didn’t do much.

Sevan Matossian (17:59):

You did, you did fucking, um, beat, beat up, uh, uh, ner pretty good.

Nycolas Joyal (18:04):

Yeah. Yeah, I did. Yeah. I don’t know if it’s, uh, if you could call it a win, but, um,

Sevan Matossian (18:13):

Hey, it’s pretty, it’s pretty crazy that, that, that both times the dude who got popped was, was fucking had Vener in a headlock.

Nycolas Joyal (18:23):

I, I don’t, I don’t know if he, if, uh, he would’ve won, uh, if I was, if I haven’t been there, um, competing, but, uh, it, for sure would’ve been a closer race.

Sevan Matossian (18:38):

He, he didn’t, um, we, we had him on the show last night and he had like zero animosity towards you. And you know what I was thinking, that’s what, like, I, that seems like just the way a focus man would be, right? Like, he’s just like, these are just things in the road. You’re driving down the street, you see a dead deer, you see a pothole, you see like, it’s just okay. And he had no, he was like, yeah, this, this, like, he, this is the landscape. The, the one thing he was disappointed in Joelle is that like the, the side shit, that’s gonna fall on him. Meaning some people are DMing him now too, being like, Hey, don’t act like you’re not on it to you piece of shit. And he’s like, yeah, you know what I mean? Like someone threw a rocket you and missed and it fucking over.

Nycolas Joyal (19:22):

Yeah. Yeah. I know. It’s, it’s, it’s a bad move for, um, it, it, it benefits no one to, uh, actually use PDs. Um, it it’s bad for the sport. It’s bad for the person it’s bad. It’s bad for every athlete. It’s bad for sport. It’s bad for, uh, uh, every, every, everything that’s related about sport.

Sevan Matossian (19:48):

Did you, did you consult someone or did you just, all your own research, you didn’t even ask a doctor. You didn’t like pay one of these guys. Who’s an expert. A hun like hill Hiller has a guy who pays a hundred bucks and then he talks to Hiller for an hour. Not you didn’t. No,

Nycolas Joyal (20:02):

Nobody knew I did every, every single research on my own. Um, I, I bought it on my own. I,

Sevan Matossian (20:09):

How do you buy it? Pretty much. Same way. I did. You just went on the internet and ordered it.

Nycolas Joyal (20:15):

Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much the same way you buy something on, uh, Amazon. Like you go on the website, there’s a bunch of, uh, of, I bought it on the internet. I, I, I heard there’s a lot of people that, uh, buy it from, uh, a source in their gym or something like that. But, uh, for me, it was on the internet and, um, it it’s pretty much the same exact thing as you would do on a, on, on the noble website website or any other website.

Sevan Matossian (20:44):

I’ll take those shoes, those peds. Yep. And that box of gummies. Okay. Yeah. And, and then, so it comes in the mail. And do you live at home with your parents or do you live by your, are you live, move outta your

Nycolas Joyal (20:57):

House at the time I was living, uh, at my parents,

Sevan Matossian (21:01):

By the way, that’s a nice chair. You’re in, yeah,

Mattew Souza (21:03):

It is. Looks like a game. Some people are saying it’s a gamer chair.

Nycolas Joyal (21:07):

Yeah. Uh, yeah, in my earlier years I was, I was a bit of a gamer. Um, and that’s an old chair. My brother gave me for my birthday.

Mattew Souza (21:17):


Sevan Matossian (21:18):

So then it comes and you have a calendar, you have, you know, okay, I’ll start this day. I’ll finish this day and I’m good to go.

Nycolas Joyal (21:27):

Yeah. Um, that’s what I, uh, did, uh, went from the first to the March, uh, 1st of March and, uh, all the way through, uh, March of 14th. And, um, yeah, uh, it comes in the mail, like it’s a cute little box and, uh, that’s what in it.

Sevan Matossian (21:52):

And when you, is it, is it a bottle or is it pills you pop out of like a sheet?

Nycolas Joyal (21:58):

Uh, my, my, my G was a liquid form and liquid, like

Sevan Matossian (22:03):

A liquid high dropper.

Nycolas Joyal (22:05):

Yeah. It was, uh, under, under your tongue and, uh, that’s how I took it.

Mattew Souza (22:10):


Sevan Matossian (22:11):

And as you do that, as you prep for that, you, it comes, you open it up, you look at the calendar, you have all, you have to figure out the half life. This is how I’m gonna get away with it. This is how I’m gonna pass the test. Are, are you having second thoughts the whole time before you squeezed the drop right mouth?

Nycolas Joyal (22:29):

Yeah. Yeah. Uh, the first time I was actually like, uh, swaying and, uh, shaking, and I was like, this is it, what you can’t back once you do it. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I

Sevan Matossian (22:43):

Was, that’s why I’ve never kissed a boy, by the way. <laugh>, I’m like, fuck, like, there’ll be no going back. I’ll have it on my record. Like, I’ll know, I’ll know I did it. I like it. I know I gave that dude to hand job over there. So I just, don’t just don’t. I just don’t. I just don’t want to, like, because once you do it, it, um, uh,

Nycolas Joyal (23:03):

It’s sort of become like easier and easier every time you do it. And mm-hmm

Sevan Matossian (23:07):

<affirmative> and all of a sudden, well, if anyone ever asks you now, right. Hey, did you, have you ever done peds? Um, if you say, no, you have to carry a lie. Yeah. If you say yes, you have to accept the judgment of the world. Of course. It’s way better to accept the judgment of the world. Caring lies is Stu it ruins us as human beings. Yeah. Um, yeah. And, and, and, and you’re, and you’re free because you don’t have to defend it. Someone can be like, Hey, you’re a fucking asshole for doing that. You’ll be like,

Nycolas Joyal (23:35):

Yeah, I

Sevan Matossian (23:36):

Now what,

Nycolas Joyal (23:38):


Sevan Matossian (23:38):

Now what now? What, yeah. Now what, so, so you’re, you’re, you’re, you’re sweating, you’re nervous. And you, and, and you’re like, you know, you’re having to talk with yourself. I can’t go back.

Nycolas Joyal (23:50):

Yeah. Um, the, the, what, what made me take the first, uh, dose was, uh, as I said, I was nervous. I was sweating. Um, it was early in the morning was just before going to work. And, uh, I just, I thought to myself, like, uh, I can’t do this. And then I, I, I remembered like, oh, gosh, you’re so unfit. You’re so weak. You’re so you’re so fat you’re so blah, blah, blah, and everything. And that what’s made me like push, pushing into my mouth.

Sevan Matossian (24:26):

Makes perfect sense.

Nycolas Joyal (24:29):


Sevan Matossian (24:30):

Makes perfect sense. Yeah. Hey, that’s how it, that’s how all those things go. Like you’re trying to quit smoking cigarettes and, and, and like, you put it down and you walk away and then you come back an hour later and you’re like, okay, it’s just one. And, and, and you just rationalized it. Yeah. Started

Nycolas Joyal (24:44):

Justify. Exactly. It’s, it’s, it’s so easy to rationalize, rationalize it right after the, the first dose, like the second dose was low, like taking, uh, vitamin C.

Sevan Matossian (24:58):


Nycolas Joyal (24:58):

That was it.

Sevan Matossian (25:00):

First boy, you kiss. No prob you’re panicking the next thousand boys. No problem. Next thing I know you’re giving someone a handy in the bathroom. Uh, wow. Okay. So you do that. And you, and, and is this before, is this, is this what this is after the open? Is this during the quarter finals?

Nycolas Joyal (25:19):

Uh, it was, it was right after the, um, uh, 22.1. I don’t re it was from the, uh, March 1st to March 14th. So I don’t remember if, uh, it was 0.2 or 22.1 still, but, uh,

Sevan Matossian (25:36):

So you thought there was no fucking way you were gonna be caught. You can’t even when your test came back, you’re like, what the fuck?

Nycolas Joyal (25:42):

Yeah. Um, I, I, I thought I could get away with it and, um, like never even think about it and just put it to the, the, the, the, the darkest corner of my mind and, uh, try to forget about it. But, um, when I heard, uh, the story from, uh, CrossFit shoe fly. Yeah. Uh, I actually got so nervous. I had to get outta my truck cuz I thought I was, uh, going to vomit.

Sevan Matossian (26:11):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And,

Nycolas Joyal (26:13):

Uh, that’s where I knew down I’m gonna get popped and uh, it popped in a

Sevan Matossian (26:18):

Isn’t that a isn’t that a crazy, um, feeling when you know, you’re going to get caught for something isn’t that. So can you tell me that story? You’re in your truck? What kind of truck?

Nycolas Joyal (26:33):

Uh, I work for the city I live in I’m, uh, sort of a construction worker. Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, and, uh, yeah, I’m in the truck and uh, like I just opened my phone up and I see a post from, uh, I think it was Hiller

Sevan Matossian (26:52):

Or unfollow him, unfollow him. That’s just bad for your health unfall <laugh>

Nycolas Joyal (26:57):

And uh, whatever I see, I see, I see the post and um, I, I just read through it and then I learned it from GW and I I’m like, shit, that’s what I took. And, uh, the, he, he said in an interview that it was, he stopped taking his pills in, um, uh, near the end of March. So I was starting like to, uh, calculate the dates and everything and like, and I was, and the dates were not good. Um, so that’s when I realized like at I’m actually gonna get popped, I’m actually gonna be like, just like everybody else who got pops.

Sevan Matossian (27:41):

Yeah. I, I, I, I’m sorry to, I, I’m sorry to interrupt you. Uh, Joey says Seon talking about hand jobs during a moment of extreme vulnerability. Uh, know Joey, I was talking about hand jobs from, uh, giving hand jobs to other men during a moment of extreme vulnerability and feel free to DM me and tell me when is a good time to talk about hand jobs. I miss the, when it’s a good time to talk about hand jobs, uh, guidelines just called breaking the tension jelly, learn it. Okay. Um, and, and literally you felt sick to your stomach and you pulled over.

Nycolas Joyal (28:12):

Yeah. Yeah. Uh, it was the same exact feeling. I, I felt like, uh, when I took this first dose, uh, I started sweating. I started shaking. I started, I, I felt sick to my stomach. Yeah. And I, I had to get out to get some fresh air and uh,

Sevan Matossian (28:27):

Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. That, even you saying that right now, I feel that like, my skin started crawling a little bit and I, and I, and I farted a couple times. Like I like, I, I, uh, I know that feeling. I know that God, I know that feeling. Was it a relief? And, and the thing is, is it’s not even like a, it’s not even like a big deal in the big picture by that. I mean, you’re not going to jail, right?

Nycolas Joyal (28:49):

No, I,

Sevan Matossian (28:50):

You didn’t, you didn’t rape anyone made it kill. No one got hurt. Right. It’s it is like in the, in the relative scheme, it’s nothing, but it’s like, fuck, it’s a horrible feeling.

Nycolas Joyal (29:02):

Yeah. Yeah. Especially, cuz I I’ve put in so much time and effort into this before, uh, uh, dipping into PDs. Like when I, when I, when I started to think about like, what’s gonna happen if I get popped versus all the time and all the energy I’ve put in, uh, I was like, damn, why did I do that?

Sevan Matossian (29:29):

Yeah. You see that? You get so, so you calm down, you get back in your truck. And um, how many more days later then CrossFit contacts you, I’m assuming you’ve seen email in your inbox and, and are you just staring at that? Can you tell me about that moment?

Nycolas Joyal (29:45):

Yeah. Um, I was actually having fun. Uh, when I got the email, I was, um, uh, I was looking at reels on, on Instagram, like memes and everything and I was laughing in and then just had a notification, uh, an email.

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