#478 – 2022 CrossFit Games Already Happened | The Men

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Oh, bam. We’re live 30 seconds early. Let me move you up here. Ah, much better. I believe Kenneth DEAP says, I believe they are ranking athlete performances against each other in the 10 events of the season. So far as if those were the games events.

Brian Friend (00:22):


Sevan Matossian (00:22):

Read it. Why do you think that Kenneth? Sorry, sorry, Brian, go

Brian Friend (00:25):

Ahead now. Read it like you’re Martin Luther king Jr.

Sevan Matossian (00:28):

<laugh> I wish I could. What a dude. Um, Brian friend, who on my screen is in the upper right hand corner with the jackass behind him hanging on the wall.

Brian Friend (00:40):


Sevan Matossian (00:41):

Called me a few days ago and I can’t, I can’t present it the way he presented it to me, but it was so slick. And I think he knew that it would get me so fucking titillated and stimulated and aroused said, Hey, you know that all these men and all these women have already done 10 workouts that are identical. I’m like what? He’s like. Yeah, they did the open and they did the quarter finals and they did a couple semifinals workout. I’m like, what are you talking about? And you know, cuz I’m thinking about something, thinking about kids and tennis. And he reminds me of how the CrossFit games works, how people get to the CrossFit games and I’m like, holy shit. And he goes, and I have the data that ranks these people one through 40. If those were the games events,

Brian Friend (01:27):

Thanks to my Mike Halpin. I was able to get it pretty quick.

Sevan Matossian (01:30):

And I’m like, oh my goodness, it’s junk food for the brain. Whether you like it or not. You think it’s a valid 10 tests. It is junk food for us. It is fodder. It is kindling. It is the most, I think stimulating, uh, conversation we could possibly have, uh, going into, uh, the CrossFit games as you can see from Jr’s excitement. <laugh> he too. What do you think Jr about this, this, this idea that we’re about to present to people on this data? Is it fun?

JR Howell (02:08):

Well, it’s fun because it it’s a point of comparison and this is a sport of comparison. So all we want to do is be able to point and say, look, look, look, see this person, beat this person on this workout and this person beat this person on this workout. So that means they’re better. So when we take a look at the open quarter finals, two semi-finals workouts, sure. There’s 10 points of data that you can point to. But when we start looking a little deeper, we start to see that those workouts were executed under very different circumstances,

Sevan Matossian (02:40):


Brian Friend (02:42):

Yeah, that’s definitely true. And I think as we, as we dive into it a little bit more, you know, what you’ll be able to see is that in some cases it’s probably is in fact fairly reflective of how to do it, the games. And in other cases it’s drastically, it’s probably gonna be drastically different.

Sevan Matossian (03:00):

Oh, so good to see you. Susan, Susan Bryan gave me a great idea, um, to B before, because you weren’t gonna, you weren’t gonna be here for another 15 minutes, but you made on time. I opened three windows. I opened the CrossFit. Do you want me to send you the three windows I had opened? So you can toggle between them? Yeah, that’d be great. Okay. Um, it is basically the open scoring, uh, open workouts, the open, sorry, the open workouts. I’m gonna send it over in private chat. The three windows that I was going to use. Yeah, perfect. This convers was, I was in a panic and Brian’s like talking to me in his convo. Okay. Open these windows. You’ll be okay. Yeah, you’ll be okay. Little boy. Yeah. Don’t freak out. <laugh> and when we, when we, there there’s an image in my mind that, um, has stained my mind.

Sevan Matossian (03:44):

It was a picture from Sarah Sigma’s daughter’s Instagram, where she said, uh, the open doesn’t matter. That and that, that really pissed me off. Not at her, not at her. She’s just delivering the message. I’m not, I’m not hating the messenger. The open doesn’t matter. But with that, I want to say people do things. The great people do things like they do everything. I know I’m screwing that whole line up. I know someone says it better like Michael Jordan. You wanna say it Jr. What I’m trying to say. You wanna, uh, I think it’s wanna scramble that.

JR Howell (04:17):

I think it’s you do one thing the way you do

Sevan Matossian (04:20):

Everything. Yes. And to those people, the open matters. And I think that it’s just an excuse and I think these numbers really do matter. I think of this is that the monkey P scourge attacks the liberal mind and the whole world gets shut down again and all the scary cats, cuz I was just at the Monterey bay aquarium and half the people there are still wearing masks and are still 150 pounds overweight, a peace and still vulnerable to COVID. I, I think that what we’re about to look at today is very likely to be the CrossFit games because any week now the earth could be shut down again to protect the dying. And so, so I, I, I I’m, I’m gonna ride that statement that Jr just said, I think that you, these should have been done. I think what we’re gonna show you today is important and is super duper valid.

Sevan Matossian (05:06):

And I would say that no matter how many things that Brian and JRA might bring up today that say, Hey, this is just for fun. This really isn’t gonna be indicative of how the games are gonna fall out. I think it’s important to see it that way. I really do. I really do the, these, these, these people, uh, these people are beasts. Okay. Uh, before we start looking at the 10 workouts, uh, Jr. What do you think? Do these workouts cover all the time domains and modalities that you would like to see if they were one workout? Let’s just call this the, um, the 2022 Brian friend Jr. Uh, seven CrossFit games probably get sued for trademark there. And uh, do, do we like the workouts? Would we be criticized for this? Does this have, is this have enough metabolic tra um, testing enough, heavy weights enough? Do we touch on everything?

JR Howell (05:56):

Uh, I would say no, since the longest workout was also the first workout of the season and that was a 15 minute am wrap.

Sevan Matossian (06:03):


Brian Friend (06:04):

Oh, but isn’t the first workout. The game’s usually also the longest. We’re off to a good start.

Sevan Matossian (06:09):

Some continuity. I appreciate you. You’re Brian’s a half, uh, half full kind of guy. Okay. So in these 10 workouts, that’s our first data point. The longest workout is 15 minutes and it’s an Amra and that’s not good. What would we want for, for in the games? What would we want?

JR Howell (06:25):

Well, usually we see one that’s 45 minutes or longer last year, there was one that was over an hour, but generally speaking, you’ll see anywhere from three to five that are longer than 15 minutes.

Sevan Matossian (06:40):


Brian Friend (06:41):

I actually checked last year was a little bit of an, I would say an anomaly in this regard, there were only two workouts at the games last year, there were over 15 minutes time domain, at least for the top athletes at the games

Sevan Matossian (06:52):

And Brian, uh, in terms of heavy these 10 workouts. And we will go through the workouts pretty quickly here in a minute guys. So don’t worry. We’ll, we’re gonna take you on the tour of these 10 workouts of the workouts. Um, is there something there to test strength, um, adequately for, for these beasts?

Brian Friend (07:06):

Yeah. Two of the 10 are isolated strength tests, and then there’s nothing else that’s necessarily too heavy for these athletes. Uh, out of these 10,

Sevan Matossian (07:15):

What are the, what are the strength, uh, workouts?

Brian Friend (07:20):

Well, the other total it’s part of the quarter finals where they had to do one rep max clean bench, press and overhead squat. And then the barbell complex from semifinals where they had to do the three cleans, two front squats, one shoulder overhead.

Sevan Matossian (07:32):

Do you agree Jr that those are, that those tests? Um, strength?

JR Howell (07:36):

Absolutely. Just, and not the way they’re always tested at the games.

Sevan Matossian (07:39):

Okay. But how about adequately?

JR Howell (07:42):


Sevan Matossian (07:42):

Okay. Okay. So, so we’re more happy with the strength than we are if this were the games than the metabolic, uh, that the, the test for the long time domains.

JR Howell (07:51):

Yeah. I mean, relatively speaking, that’s, that’s 20% of the test. That’s usually about what you get at the games.

Sevan Matossian (07:59):

Okay. Do we wanna show the people right now today? We’re just doing the men tomorrow. We’re doing the women. Do you guys wanna see this, this, this remarkable chart, this Google doc? Can, can we show them now? I think we show them now. It’s yeah. There’s a lot candy. It’s porn. It’s it’s it’s CrossFit porn. It’s CrossFit data porn.

Brian Friend (08:17):

Yeah. There, uh, well I, yeah, Susan can pull it up. That’s fine. Um, just so that, you know, people understand how this was created is rated is, uh, we, uh, we took all the, the, that these 10 workouts. We took the results from each of these 40 athletes on those workouts. We ranked them against each other one through 40 for each workout. And then we assigned points based on the game scoring from last year when there were 40 athletes in the field. So it starts at a hundred, goes down by four for a while. And then it eventually goes down by three and finally goes down by two towards the bottom. Then we just took a sum of this 10 scores that they would’ve gotten. If they’d done these workouts at the games and we find the total points, which is how they score the games.

Brian Friend (08:57):

And then I did also add a column that just shows their average finish across the 10 workouts, which is also usually a point of comparison that, um, like chase and bill talk about and get with the programming. When they’re asking, if this work set of workouts for this year actually did a good job of finding the fittest. And occasionally what you’ll see is that there’s a deviation where there’s someone who actually averaged a better overall finish on the workouts, but finished lower on the, on the rankings because of the way that the scoring system is, and, or has been in some years.

Sevan Matossian (09:26):

Wow. Have, has there been, ever, ever anything in that that stands out so badly that you’re like uhoh

Brian Friend (09:35):

Well, uh, you’re interested in that I should go back and listen to Jason Bill’s, um, podcast where they break down every games here, but yeah, there have been a couple times where there’s some, uh, definitely, you know, if you did it based on average finish, instead of total points that you would’ve had some different people on the podium,

Sevan Matossian (09:51):

Dang, uh, PMI services. Thank you. Crazy, crazy generous. Uh, SU can we see that? Can you pull that doc? Did you see the newest one that he sent?

Brian Friend (09:59):

He’s got it. He’s got it. Yeah. Okay. Well, this is the older one. So this one, it’s gonna be hard for us to fit everything on the screen, but you can see that for each workout, there’s a rank. And then the games points, and then the score, the comment says score is actually the amount of reps or time that they had in that workout. And this is pretty tough to see everything, but you can at least see for the first couple open workouts there kind of what it, what it looks like. And then there’s a, another doc I, that Sue also has that just shows the rank by event where I think we could probably fit more on the screen in one shot.

Sevan Matossian (10:33):

Um, SU could you,

Sevan Matossian (10:37):

Okay. Uh, first off for, for those of you, I’m gonna read some of the names I’m gonna read the top 10 to here really quick, um, ranked and how and how they finished. If you use these 10 workouts, if those were the CrossFit games and we had to give a champion. No shit, Justin Maderas at the top. No shit. Saxon Patrick, second Jeffrey Adler, Gema Harris, and fourth Allen pepper and fifth Phil tune and six Noah Olson and seventh Patrick ner and eighth. That right there, I think for me is like where the first problem where you’re like, okay, something’s wrong.

Brian Friend (11:09):


Sevan Matossian (11:09):

But other than that, I’m I’m

Brian Friend (11:11):

You stopped at eight.

Sevan Matossian (11:12):

Well, I’m super happy at that point. Sorry, Colton. Sorry. I’m really, I’m really happy up to that point. Are you, are you guys happy up to that point are like, damn, this is good. This is good games. Just, just by looking at the, at the outcome and anything weird there. Can you see gee not taking forth?

Brian Friend (11:32):

I mean, when you start asking that you have to think about, well, who’s missing out and of the eight that you’ve gone through so far, you know, we don’t see a Brent OWS. We don’t see a Bwin Carl Goodmanson. We don’t see a Roman chronic cough that most people are expecting to have a top 10 style performance and maybe also a Ricky Gerard. So those are the ones that it’s like, but a lot of people are super high in down pepper and Phil tune and, uh, everyone else who’s up there. I think if they finish in the top 10 at some point, most people wouldn’t, uh, wouldn’t be that surprised by

Sevan Matossian (12:01):


JR Howell (12:03):

Yeah. I agree with Brian. I think Alki being where he is jumped out at me and, and pat being where he is really jumped out at me also. And this is probably a good time to start talking about how these workouts are performed under slightly different circumstances. For a lot of the top level athletes take someone like pat, for instance, who’s, you know, trying to preserve all the years he has left. He’s not gonna beat up his body. Leading up to the open. The open is probably when he is starting to get back to hard training. So for all these guys, the open is, um, not as meaningful as it used to be. And I would venture to say that for all 40 on the male and female side, the open was probably not the second or third piece of the day for most of them, much less. The, the only piece for the day.

Sevan Matossian (12:47):

Um, did all of these guys ahead of Patrick beat him in the open.

Brian Friend (12:54):


Sevan Matossian (12:55):

Is there any way to know that right off the top of

JR Howell (12:58):

Your head?

Brian Friend (12:58):

Yeah, just off the top of my head. I can’t say for sure. Uh, but we could check,

Sevan Matossian (13:04):

Um, who won the open this year?

JR Howell (13:06):


Sevan Matossian (13:06):

Okay. And who took second?

JR Howell (13:09):


Sevan Matossian (13:10):

Okay. And could you scroll down, uh, Suza and let’s look where, um, the great, um, Nicholas OWK is, oh, no. Brent, Brent, Brent. Brent Kowski is, uh, I think he’s all the way down at the bottom. I think he’s 38th. No, 30. Oh, 39th now.

Brian Friend (13:28):

No, no. That’s row 39. He’s a, he finished 35th on this model.

Sevan Matossian (13:32):

Okay. 35th. Thank you. How did Brent do in the open?

Brian Friend (13:38):

Well, FKI was 69th. So there is a decent, I mean, a Vener was 69th. So there’s a decent chance that most those guys beat him.

Sevan Matossian (13:50):

I’m just trying to validate what, um, Jr’s point here. It’s a really,

Brian Friend (13:54):

Because who is 992nd.

Sevan Matossian (13:56):

Okay. That really validates what Jr’s saying. So Jr. You’re saying, Hey, he’s a guy that’s been around a fucking long time. He he’s a big picture guy. He knows he needs to peak at the games. Why beat himself up in the open and that, and, and going back to what Sarah Sigma’s daughter said, um, the open doesn’t matter, he’s, he’s working smarter, not harder.

JR Howell (14:16):

Yeah. And I mean, let’s not disrespect any of these athletes by saying that they didn’t try. They all tried to do well on all of these workouts that they did, but that doesn’t mean that they prioritize them for the week, for the day, any of that stuff. And a lot of them just kind of use the open to ease back into training. What’s the point in going a hundred percent risking, a silly injury, like busting your shin, open on a box, jump over on the first workout or something like that. Just to, um, set your training back a couple weeks when you’re trying to get back into it.

Sevan Matossian (14:49):

We’re gonna go over the, um, open workouts here in one second. I just wanna sh ask these guys one more question about this list before we go look at the workouts and then we’ll come back to the list again. Let’s look at who’s in last place Suza. So one thing that I want to ask you, do you guys think that that is last place at the CrossFit games this year? This dude, this cat Pedro Pedro Martins.

Brian Friend (15:13):

I think he’ll be in the bottom five. If everyone finishes, you know, the weekend healthy, obviously if there’s withdrawals and injuries, then that changes, but going into the games. Yeah. I’ll probably have him rank the bottom five.

Sevan Matossian (15:23):

Okay. And then scroll up to the top. Um, the, the kid out of Washington, uh, who trains with Adam naer Neer, Neer naer uh, and can anyone help me? Which, which one is it

Brian Friend (15:36):

Adam Neer?

Sevan Matossian (15:37):

I think Neer. Neer. Yeah. Adam Neer. Uh, is that the winner of the CrossFit games this year? Justin Maderas,

Brian Friend (15:46):

He’s definitely the guy to beat.

Sevan Matossian (15:48):

Uh, it’s basically what I’m trying to say is those two are spot on, right? We have two that are a hundred percent accurate already. <laugh> we’re willing to, we’re willing to bet. We’re willing to bet a thousand bucks on it. Justin Maderas wins. And that dude Pedro takes last, uh, Jr. Mr. Howell, I think it’s pretty close to accurate. It’s interesting that this model nails that right. The top guy and the bottom guy.

Brian Friend (16:11):

Well, one thing I’ve learned in doing, you know, a lot of studies about scoring in general O oil competitions is usually the biggest changes are not at the top or the bot they’re in the middle of the board. So I, I would say that yearns are something here, for sure. It’s like, you know, Justin will be, he is the favor going into the games and if he doesn’t win, he’ll be right up there near the top. And, you know, Pedro, Martin’s a rookie at the games outta south America. Um, and I think that, you know, I don’t think anyone was, or most people weren’t expecting gee to do as well as he did last year. It there’s never been a guy from south America. That’s done that well. So if there a second guy did that, it would be quite surprised.

Sevan Matossian (16:47):

I know we were said, we were gonna look at the workouts, but check this out. Justin Maderas is a winner sax and pan trains with Tia, Jeffrey Adler’s wife will not let him sleep indoors if he doesn’t fucking win the games this year, Gema Harris is the hope of Brazil. Pepper is a, is, is, is a completely focused Savage. Same with Phil tune. I mean, it, there’s a reason these guys are at the top. There’s a reason, right? I mean, this is their character, right?

Brian Friend (17:19):

Yeah. If you wanna, and if you wanna look at the top even more, if you scroll all the way to the right, you know, it’s kind of, it’s kind of neat to look at the points and of, of course, on the men’s side, there’s gonna be more parody in general than the women’s side. But if you can see on the points, are that not only did Maderas win this model, he won by over a hundred points like over sax and pan, that’s the least, you know, that’s more than 10% of the available points. And if, and in a similarity, even though he is a lot younger than pat and, um, Brent, who we’ve talked about, maybe not, you know, gearing up for this type of, uh, competition to open in the quarter finals, he’s probably just cruising through these workouts and still able to put up, uh, scores like this.

Brian Friend (17:57):

That to me is, is, uh, somewhat surprising and impressive because I would ex you know, we saw what he could do at the games last year in terms of consistency and a really hard, you know, the hardest test that there is. And then he backed it up with a solid performance at rogue, but to express a hundred point victory in this, you know, hypothetical model, that’s testing more of the foundation, more of the baseline capacity type stuff. Like, and he’s still that far ahead of these guys. That’s if I’m another competitor in this field is something that I’m not that happy to see.

Sevan Matossian (18:26):

And, and here’s another thing that’s consistent with the games too. I’m guessing that that person in row eight is G and he look at the broad spectrum he has between his, his best and his, and his worst. He has more first place finishes than, um, than Justin, but he’s got some pathetic finishes also.

Brian Friend (18:44):

Well, that’s a great conversation about GE MYOS in general, he does in this model have three wins, a fifth and a sixth. He also has a 37th and a 30th and four total finishes outside of the top, half knows 21st or worse. And that’s the type of, uh, inconsistency that will usually actually net the decent performance at the games, as long as you can back it up with some wins. But if you’re trying to, to beat the best guys, which I think, you know, GE has been pretty clear that his ultimate goal is to win the games. He can’t afford to have 37th and a 30 place finish anymore at the CrossFit games.

Sevan Matossian (19:16):

Wow. He’s got a 37th. Okay. Let’s let’s let’s uh, uh, do you wanna say anything quickly about GE Jr. There’ll be other opportunities. I wanna look at the workouts, but do you wanna throw something in here about GE?

JR Howell (19:26):

Yeah. I mean, when you look at that, when you look at that 37th, that’s on the legless workout. So you start to think about the CrossFit games. You start to think about what’s tested there. Could we see a high volume pegboard workout come out? Does that translate over? Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn’t that workout and we’ll get to this, how this can’t be used as the end all be all is because some people did that workout on the first day. Some people did it on the last day. Some people did it on turf. Some people did it on rubber. Some people moved to pylon, or some people had a pile on move form. Some people flipped, um, little score sheet thing. I mean, there were so many nuances to that. Some used a long rope that was hanging on the floor. Some did not <laugh>, you know, there, there, there are a lot of differences just within that workout alone. So sure they did the same workout all these guys, but they didn’t do the same workout at the same time.

Sevan Matossian (20:21):

And, and GE, uh, took second in that, in Brazil, right. In that legless rope climb workout

Brian Friend (20:29):

Relative to, I can’t remember,

Sevan Matossian (20:30):

But he did really well at it. Right.

Brian Friend (20:32):

Yeah. I mean, he did, he did well on every workout there relative to the field.

Sevan Matossian (20:35):

Yeah. I wonder if he would’ve and that’s another thing to throw on that pile Jr. His competition wasn’t as stiff. So maybe he wasn’t pushing his heart.

JR Howell (20:43):


Sevan Matossian (20:44):

I mean that seven, he should have done much better than that. Right. I mean, that, that you would think that’s in his wheelhouse.

JR Howell (20:49):

Well, you would think if these 40 athletes did that same test, you would think he would do better than 37th.

Sevan Matossian (20:55):

Right? Right. Okay, man, you’re coming up with all sorts of stuff to ruin the show right off the bat. Good job, Jr. Uh, let, can we look at the open workouts? We’re gonna presume that they would do them in this order, um, for whatever details that that, um, gives to the show, but just so we’re thinking about it, uh, um, all the same. Can we see the open workout, Susan? Okay. So these are the workouts they would do workout. One would be three wall walks, 12 dumbbell snatches, 15 box jump overs, and 50 pound dumbbell to 24 inch box. Uh, second workout. Or do we wanna stay here and talk about this for a second? Who won this in, in, in that group?

Brian Friend (21:38):


JR Howell (21:39):

Sax in a movie

Brian Friend (21:40):

Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Sevan Matossian (21:42):

Okay. Let’s go. Let’s go

Brian Friend (21:44):

Section Justin then down pepper.

Sevan Matossian (21:46):

Uh, and, and what do you think about this as the games workout?

Brian Friend (21:51):

Look, if you’re talking about the open workouts in general, like yeah. There is like, there is a possibility of seeing a ver uh, an, an open style workout at the games. You know, you could see maybe a little slightly they’ve, they’ve done, we’ve done it in the past where they’ve had like a slightly heavier version of the same open workout or a different open workout from a previous year. That’s just testing baseline capacity. And, uh, you know, we’ve seen some AMRAP styles. Sometimes they’re a little higher skill, but I would say out of the test at the games, you are gonna probably get one that has a little bit of an open feel to it.

Sevan Matossian (22:21):

Like you could see this in the stadium.

Brian Friend (22:25):

I mean, they did something similar to this last year, just that the, it was scaled up, right. They had the am rep with the similar structure of Wawa or of pegboard and the double under and overhead squat. It was like they were doing a lot of rounds in a, in a similar amount of time domain,

Sevan Matossian (22:41):

Uh, workout number two. Wow. Ascending from one to 10 and then back down to one reps for time. So one to 10, 10 to one, uh, deadlifts bar facing burpees, uh, time cap, 10 minutes. Wow. Okay. 225 pound barbell. And who won this

Brian Friend (23:05):

Will this open next followed by Noah Olson and Phil tune.

Sevan Matossian (23:09):

Wow. And that makes sense, right? Those are the people who you think would win it. That’s a Phil tune workout.

Brian Friend (23:16):

Yeah. I mean, all these, you know, uh, all these guys are just good at burpees and deadlifts basically will the super next, next best finish on any of these 10 workouts relative to this field is 15th, but he is the type of guy that in a certain combination can be world class.

Sevan Matossian (23:30):

And, uh, and what was Alkis, uh, ranking on this one?

Brian Friend (23:34):

He was 40th and 22.1 37th and 22.2.

Sevan Matossian (23:40):

Oh, wow. So, so if he finished 900 and something he must have in one of these workouts coming up, he must have some crazy finish, like 4,000.

Brian Friend (23:49):

He didn’t do very well on any of the open workouts, you know, relative to most of these guys, his finishes were 40th 37th and 35th. Um, I, you know, I specifically,

Sevan Matossian (24:00):

No, no, no, no. So, sorry. Sorry. What did he finish in, in workout? One F Kowski in the open.

Brian Friend (24:04):

Oh, in the open?

Sevan Matossian (24:06):

Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. In the open. That’s what, I’m sorry, sorry.

Brian Friend (24:09):

3030 eighth, 1390th. 259th.

Sevan Matossian (24:14):

Wow. Open, finish up. Okay. Okay. What was going on there in the beginning? Did we ever find out what was going on with FSI? Was he hurt or is what Jr’s saying? Like, Hey, why, why bother?

JR Howell (24:25):

Yeah. I think he posted something about doing, um, the first open workout, like in a gym that he’d never been to. He posted something say, and he thanked him for their hospitality to let him drop in and hit the open workout while he was in town. And then that was that

Sevan Matossian (24:38):

Low stress.

Brian Friend (24:41):

Yeah. I mean, keep in mind if you’re in male in north America, you like, you only have to beat the, you only have to finish like 7500th in north American men to advance to the next round. And as soon as you do that, everything’s irrelevant. There’s no rollover scores. You know, some, a lot of people used to have, uh, that debate about whether, uh, in the master’s qualifier, if your open rank should count as one of the scores for the age group online qualifier, when they had that, if you wanted to make the open more significant, then you would count the open as one of the quarter final scores. Once you get to quarter fives

Sevan Matossian (25:15):

And not tell them which one,

Brian Friend (25:17):

No, you just count their overall overall open finish.

Sevan Matossian (25:20):

Oh, oh.

Brian Friend (25:22):

So then, you know, that was the case. Kowski would not take these workouts for granted and be dropping in a random place. He’d realize that, oh shit, one sixth of my quarter final score is gonna come down to my open performance and pH Kowski. If you, you know, he has the potential to do okay. In the open, he has finishes in the openness career of, uh, 22nd, twice 24, 30 second, 38th. You know, he’s had some top 40 finishes worldwide in the open, but this year, especially after seeing what the model was last year, and he’s not the only one to do this, he just didn’t invest anything. That’s why you saw what Sarah Sigma’s daughter said. That’s why you see a guy like Travis Mayer who wins the quarter finals one year and takes 60th in north America the next year, because now that they know the system, they can, they can tailor their season to the, to the point of the season.

Brian Friend (26:09):

That’s most critical for them. And for each athlete, that’s gonna be a little bit different if you’re Tia, you don’t have to, you don’t have to prime for any of this. You could just show up to semifinals in pretty much any condition you want qualify. You’re only focused on the games for a lot of these guys. Semifinals is critical, cuz they don’t know if they’re gonna make it or not. And it’s really competitive in their continent, but for almost all of them both open and the quarter finals in terms of what they’re focusing on for the season is completely irrelevant. And I don’t know if that’s something they CrossFits considering or not. They’ve since they’ve done it in the past, in the master’s divisions, it is something that they could potentially do to increase the, you know, the relative importance of the early stages of the season.

Sevan Matossian (26:48):

Do you like that? Um, Jr. That idea that Brian just threw out there, take, take the open scores and uh, and, and use your placement in the open as a score as one of the quarter finals, uh, scores.

JR Howell (27:00):

Yeah. I love that. And then, then the VI, the validity of the scores in the, uh, the video review process becomes even more important again,

Sevan Matossian (27:10):

Do you, do you like it, Brian? You like the idea in,

Brian Friend (27:13):

In theory? Yes. But what Jr just mentioned is, is super relevant. Because if you’re talking about that, you know, the open, your overall open rank suddenly becoming that important, then you really have to make sure that you’re assessing their vet, their, their performance relative to the field, which in this case is potentially a hundred thousand individuals, uh, you know, is reflective of what they actually did. Not just what they actually did, but what everyone that’s being compared against them actually did. So that would be a slippery slope to go down in that regard. Um, but if the goal was to make the open more relevant again, then that is one way to do it.

Sevan Matossian (27:48):

God, that’s such a slick idea. I love it. Okay. Uh, workout number three, four time 21 pullups 42 double unders 21 thrusters, 18 chest Tobar pull ups 36 double unders 18 thrusters, 15 bar muscle ups, 30 double unders 15 thrusters, uh, with weights at 95, 1 15 and 1 35. I’m assuming that’s for men. Mm-hmm <affirmative> does wait, scroll down just a little bit. I wanna see the woman’s weights, but

Brian Friend (28:21):

You list them here. You have to click on the score.

Sevan Matossian (28:24):

Okay. Score

Brian Friend (28:24):

Card. See all the other options,

Sevan Matossian (28:26):

Time cap, 12 minutes. Um, not something. Would we see something like this at the games

Brian Friend (28:33):

They’d have to they’d scale it up,

Sevan Matossian (28:36):

Make everything heavier,

Brian Friend (28:38):

Or like triple the triple, the pull ups to 63 double chested bars of 36 double the bar muscle ups to 30 something. You know, something along those 63, 48 30 and this,

Sevan Matossian (28:48):

And this is the second longest workout in this version of the CrossFit games.

Brian Friend (28:53):

Uh, there was

JR Howell (28:54):

The time cap.

Sevan Matossian (28:56):

Say that again? Jar.

JR Howell (28:58):

No, not necessarily. It just had a 12 minute time cap. Some of the time caps for the other workouts are a little longer, but the like average finishers are finishing in six to eight minutes when the time cap is 15 minutes.

Sevan Matossian (29:11):

Okay. And, and, and Brian, who do you know? I, I know that you were playing with this idea. Do you know how long it took total minutes under tension for Justin? Maderas all these, these 10 workouts.

Brian Friend (29:25):

I didn’t do that study. No.

Sevan Matossian (29:26):

Okay. Bet. You will probably for another, I don’t

Brian Friend (29:29):

Know, mate,

Sevan Matossian (29:32):

How and get on it. You, you, we have another hour of the show get

JR Howell (29:35):

On. Well, it’s only about 27 minutes. I can tell you that because he did a 15 minute am wrap. Um,

Brian Friend (29:40):

He’s talking about all 10 workouts come by. Oh, all 10. We still could figure it out relatively easily though. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (29:46):

Okay. Uh, and, and, and, and was that it for the open, there were just three workouts this year.

Brian Friend (29:51):


Sevan Matossian (29:52):

<affirmative> holy shit. I don’t like that. Did I ever mention that? I don’t like that.

Brian Friend (29:55):

By the way, if you were wondering on that one, it was yoga scars, Colton merchants, and no.

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