#477 – Tony Blauer

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Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Hey, I’m more live. I’m live. No Tony blower yet. I am lucky. I’m a lucky man. I don’t know why I’m saying that, but I am good morning. Y’all yeah. Yeah. Kyle. Yes. Where, where are you? Where are you from? I know I’ve asked you that before. Where, where are you listening from? Bruce Wayne. Kyle. Good morning, Mr. Bauer.

Tony Blauer (00:28):

What’s up, dude.

Sevan Matossian (00:29):

Mr. Bauer. Good morning.

Tony Blauer (00:30):

How are you, man?

Sevan Matossian (00:31):


Tony Blauer (00:34):

Is it on the right camera?

Sevan Matossian (00:35):

I, I have like, uh, enormous, um, delusions of grandeur and, and aspirations, but why? I don’t know. Cause it’s fun. But, but, but on the other hand, if I just wake up and like take a shit, which is like almost every morning, I’m that’s like enough for me. Like, wow, today’s a great day. I did it. Great. I’m ready. Just to go on cruise control the rest of the day, even though like, I’m like, yeah, I wanna do all this, this, but I’m just, I’m kind of a simple man too. Yeah. Yeah. Just this, the small things, the small things. Do you, do you like the small, like, like a joyful of clean underwear? Makes me feel like a king. Like I don’t need an army.

Tony Blauer (01:16):

The, um, did you write this intro?

Sevan Matossian (01:19):

No, I just thought of it just now.

Tony Blauer (01:21):

It’s it’s um, it’s very stream of consciousness. Um,

Sevan Matossian (01:26):

I have one of those.

Tony Blauer (01:28):

Yeah, but in all seriousness, I like things like that too. Like I can, if I see something just done, right? Like a clean, you know, like, uh, like I’ve been training Jessie to, you know, how to fold my underwear for like 20, 25 years. So recently she got it. Right. And I appreciate that. I see my on my underwear drawers clean and

Sevan Matossian (01:53):

You’re like, yeah, who’s J is Jessie your mistres who’s that?

Tony Blauer (01:57):

Jesse is, well, I have a wife named Jesse, but I do have a mistres named Jesse too

Sevan Matossian (02:02):

Smooth. The ladies, gentlemen, take note of that. That’s some CIA shit.

Tony Blauer (02:07):


Sevan Matossian (02:09):


Tony Blauer (02:09):

Call your wife’s name out accidentally. And it’s the mistres name or the mistres name. You never you’re totally

Sevan Matossian (02:15):


Tony Blauer (02:16):

But they’ll never watch this show. So we’re safe.

Sevan Matossian (02:20):

I was thinking of ways we were, we were different this morning.

Tony Blauer (02:24):

<laugh> what’s new, man. How are you?

Sevan Matossian (02:26):

Um, I’m good.

Tony Blauer (02:28):

I like this overhead camera angle. You have

Sevan Matossian (02:31):

You do. Yeah. It’s just a camera sitting on a big monitor up there.

Tony Blauer (02:34):

Yeah. But I know it’s like, it’s kind of like, uh, it makes you feel like, like, like some like famous radio host or something.

Sevan Matossian (02:42):

I am I’m five years. I’m five years. The world is catching up. I read that in a Patrick bed David book, you have to like see yourself like five years ahead. Like you have to see yourself five years ahead of where you are. And then the rest of the world is kind of just catching up.

Tony Blauer (02:56):

Um, there’s a, it was in the nineties. I wrote, I, I cannot remember this is this guy’s name ind, uh, independent filmmaker. He said, if you take your space, the world must make place for you.

Sevan Matossian (03:10):


Tony Blauer (03:11):

Is that heavy? Oh, if you take your place, the world must make space for you. I read that and it, it really, it had a profound impact on me and uh, some of the trials and tribulations of developing and growing my business.

Sevan Matossian (03:25):

Yeah. I, I, I really, really, really, really like that. That’s smoother than the way I said it. Yeah.

Tony Blauer (03:31):

See yourself. Same things smoother in the future.

Sevan Matossian (03:35):

Thank you. Good. Yes. <laugh> applicable everywhere. When I was in the shower this morning. I, um, I, uh, as I was finishing up and thinking, okay, I’m gonna be on the air in 25 minutes with Tony. I turn the water off and I look around and there’s no towels hanging in the bathroom anywhere. Right. And I don’t, and I don’t have my own towel. Like I always just use whatever towels there. Right. It’s usually my kids’ towels. Cause I have three boys who shower in that bathroom too. So it’s usually just one of their leftover. And I was like, I betcha Tony has his own towel. I betcha he doesn’t use like just some fucking towel. That’s just hanging around. I bet you have your own shower. Probably.

Tony Blauer (04:12):

I, I have my own shower and my own towel and I have actually a maiden who bathes me.

Sevan Matossian (04:19):

<laugh> I don’t believe that. But you do have your, you do have your own bathroom. Right? And your, I have my own sink.

Tony Blauer (04:27):

Uh, well you have a bathroom. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (04:28):

I have a bathroom,

Tony Blauer (04:30):

But just dude, five years from now, you’ll have your own bathroom.

Sevan Matossian (04:33):

Yeah. Is that’s just part of having five year olds. Like you

Tony Blauer (04:36):

Just, no, that’s just that’s Patrick David art. It’s oh, right. Visualize. Visualize the bathroom too. How do you like yet?

Sevan Matossian (04:44):

Thank you. This is my, so I got the sponsor paper street coffee, and this was the first cup. He, he ever gave me to advertise the coffee.

Tony Blauer (04:51):

I was in a Yeti store yesterday, but we can, we can, I saw the Yeti sign on there and I, I, I bought a, I should have used it. I didn’t. I brought this for, for your show.

Sevan Matossian (05:01):

It’s perfect. Hey, these cups are so much fucking better than the other insulated cups. The yet I have other insulated cups. Their shit actually is better.

Tony Blauer (05:09):


Sevan Matossian (05:09):

Keeps everything colder and hotter. Do you have any of the sh shit knockoff cups?

Tony Blauer (05:14):

Yeah. And, and I just bought a bunch yesterday and I guess we didn’t, I didn’t, my maiden didn’t wash them yet. So

Sevan Matossian (05:19):

You’re gonna regret you bought the Yeti ones or the shit knockoff

Tony Blauer (05:23):


Sevan Matossian (05:23):

Oh yeah. Yeah. You’re gonna,

Tony Blauer (05:24):

Yeah. So I interrupted you. Do you remember what you were saying?

Sevan Matossian (05:30):

I just, well then, then when I’m done using that, one of their, I always do this too. I don’t know where I was going with it. I don’t want, I only have a few notes here. Only two pages. So I’m afraid if, once I start using my notes, the show’s coming to an end it’s it’s it’s so I’m just trying to bullshit for

Tony Blauer (05:43):

How long is this show?

Sevan Matossian (05:45):

Uh, if you’re good, it can go over an hour if I think you’re ass.

Tony Blauer (05:50):


Sevan Matossian (05:50):

Fuck. I watched two of your podcasts that you did the other day.

Tony Blauer (05:53):


Sevan Matossian (05:54):

You you’ve been on some podcasts with some lazy

Tony Blauer (05:58):


Sevan Matossian (05:59):

They let you talk for an hour and a half. I realize I interrupt people because if I don’t, I feel like I’m being lazy. Like, like I interrupt people to show you that I’m listening.

Tony Blauer (06:08):

It’s it’s, it’s interesting. And I think it’s a certain skill and um, uh, I mean, you may be interrupting cuz you’re rude. I mean, you’re just in generally you have no filter. Um, so there’s that, but uh, yeah. Uh, a lot of, I mean, I don’t know which ones you did and we don’t need to mention names and how old they are or, or how, how recent they are. The, um, I just did one with a couple of guys from the UK and uh, it, they really did their homework and it was, it was, it was fun when there was questions and people are listening and uh, and it was more of a conversation. And then you realize, oh, we recorded the conversation.

Sevan Matossian (06:49):

Yeah. Uh, I, I, uh, uh, yeah, when you’re, when you’re two hour, two and a half hours in and you’re like, holy shit, we’ve been talking for two and a half hours. It’s magical. Yeah. Flow, state flow, state

Tony Blauer (07:00):


Sevan Matossian (07:02):

Flow state. I have something I want to show you. Are you on a computer?

Tony Blauer (07:05):

I am.

Sevan Matossian (07:06):

It’s weird. When I do podcasts with people on their phone, I almost find it rude, but I’m not big time enough to find, or, or like they’re in their car driving around.

Tony Blauer (07:14):


Sevan Matossian (07:15):

Yeah. And I’m like, okay. I, I see, I see where you, you

Tony Blauer (07:18):

Made a lot of time for me. I see. And I’m on the way to Starbucks. Let’s do the podcast.

Sevan Matossian (07:22):

Yes. Yes. But if they’re big time, you just kind of just gotta suck it up and um, go. Yeah. So I, so this isn’t Tony, Lauer’s Instagram. I’m gonna show you, it’s a guy named Ray cash, share

Tony Blauer (07:35):

Cash care.

Sevan Matossian (07:37):

You say it the way you want and

Tony Blauer (07:40):

I’ll use his name, but we can use your pronunciation. Go ahead.

Sevan Matossian (07:43):

And, uh, it looks like it’s at a seminar. Yeah. And, uh, the video quality is not up to my standard, but there’s a man standing here on his right. He looks pretty buff and he’s going to come across the room where Tony is standing with Michael Chandler, the amazing, um, Bellator and now, uh, UFC, super stud.

Tony Blauer (08:04):

So cash is his middle name and it’s Ray care. And he’s a, he’s a former seal retired seal.

Sevan Matossian (08:12):

And, uh, this is a new specialty course. Tony is teaching, um, uh, how to be successful with the only fans page. And I wanted to show you, um,

Tony Blauer (08:22):


Sevan Matossian (08:25):

Oh, so, so what is going on here?

Tony Blauer (08:28):

It it’s, it’s a, a break at the end of, uh, one of the training sessions. We’re we’re at this, uh, event called operation bra, uh, black site. And it’s, uh, it was pretty cool, uh, event where, uh, people were taught, the attendees were taught CQB and shooting with Tim Kennedy teaching that, uh, uh, me Michael Chandler were running, uh, combatives, or I was, I was taking, uh, MMA, uh, concepts and applying it for, to the street. We also taught, uh, knife, defense, gun defense, um, and, um, mindset shit. And also it was a big seminar, like a three day event.

Sevan Matossian (09:09):

And this is during one of the breaks.

Tony Blauer (09:11):

Yeah. This is, uh, this might be on the last, the last day at the end of some staff or I don’t remember. It was obviously a break.

Sevan Matossian (09:19):

Is Mr care an attendee?

Tony Blauer (09:21):

No, no, no. He’s one of the instructors, one of the, one of the instructors there.

Sevan Matossian (09:25):

Okay. So he’s take you’re already on the map, but he decides to come on the map.

Tony Blauer (09:28):

Yeah. Okay. Cause he was, he was, he was another, he was teaching another iteration

Sevan Matossian (09:36):

And, and what is he? It’s during the break and he just wants to tussle with Michael A. Little bit just for shit and giggles.

Tony Blauer (09:41):

He’s like a lot of these guys, you know, they wanna, they wanna feel stuff. So Ray was there doing the shooting stuff with Tim Kennedy. And so he came on and, and he wanted to, I guess he wanted to feel what, what’s it like to just, you know, pumble or, or, or, or lock up with Mike Chandler, you know, like a world class MMA guy, you know? So

Sevan Matossian (10:02):

He, he wanted to feel something.

Tony Blauer (10:03):

He wanted to feel, he wanted to feel something. Uh, and, uh, uh, and a lot of guys, a lot it’s, it’s funny how a lot of guys will do that. They just, it’s just, uh, it’s like a magnet. They’re not even thinking like, like you even have a chance. The guy’s like a world class you’re gonna, like, what are you gonna do? And then it’s, it’s really awkward for, cause I’ve seen this happen many times. It’s, it’s awkward for the, this athlete because they’re playing right. They can’t go hard. Right. It’s it, it’s an interesting dynamic.

Sevan Matossian (10:38):

It’s like, if you’re at someone’s house and they got like a, so a Ming dynasty sword, or if, if they’re a, uh, you want to pick it up or if like you go to Dave’s house and like, I I’ve never touched a gun in my life and he opens it, even though I own some and he opens his safe and I’m just like, I just wanna touch all the guns and point ’em at everyone. <laugh> and he’s like, uh, no, <laugh> right. It’s kind of like that. Right? Except this guy, this guy was a seal.

Tony Blauer (11:00):

Yeah. This guy, this guy’s a seal, uh, retired seal and, and Mike of course is a current, a current badass. And he just wanted to, he just wanted to fuck around with him. You know,

Sevan Matossian (11:11):

Who’s tougher a seal or a white belt.

Tony Blauer (11:15):

<laugh> the seal at the zoo or the like the Navy seal.

Sevan Matossian (11:19):

I just like comparing apples and oranges is the seal equal to a blue belt. Mr. Bower. Okay, here we go. So that’s Tony on the left. He’s the teacher dude. And then next to him is the famous MMA guy. And then on the right kind of like slithering in right. Is the seal. Now Chandler knows something’s up. He knows he’s right. He steps. He steps out. And are you feeling uncomfortable at this point? Tony? You’re like, come on, come on Ray.

Tony Blauer (11:51):

No, I mean, I I’ve seen guys get, get fucked up. Like not, not really, really bad, but I’ve seen guys. So a lot of it like Mike, Chandler’s a really, really sweet, good, good human. Um, there are other guys in, in, in boxing and martial arts and MMA that it’s not that they’re not sweet, but they’ll go right away. And they’ll, they’ll, they’ll take you down and Mount you and choke you out. And, and Mike’s, Mike’s not like that. He like, he’s got a big smile on his face right now. And he’s trying to dissuade Ray. He doesn’t want to do this. He was also, um, uh, nursing a, he had a fight coming up and he was rehabbing something and he didn’t, he didn’t wanna fuck around with anybody as well. So there was like some real trepid trepidation

Sevan Matossian (12:41):

Boys are so cool. Have you ever seen women do what we’re about to women? Just don’t. I, I love these. I love these videos. I don’t know if you’ve seen these videos on Instagram of like these macho guys and like this big buff guy will just go over and put his head on another man’s lap. Who’s like sitting down, eating his lunch in a park and the man who sets his heads on his lap is just like, just keeps eating or will feed him. Some just dudes are just cool. <laugh> like real dudes. You know what I mean? Like we just, you ever seen two, two women do this? Like you’re up there with like Kayla Harrison and, and other chicks like here, let me feel you

Tony Blauer (13:11):

Right. It’s uh, it’s, it’s an interesting thing. I don’t know about the examples you gave, but the, uh, but, but I,

Sevan Matossian (13:18):

Like, we just have a broad BR we like really cool dudes, confident, cool dudes have a broad depth of intimacy from like, from like hugging other dudes to just tussling with random dudes to like, we’re just not, we’re just open.

Tony Blauer (13:31):

Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (13:34):

There’s, there’s a camaraderie we have amongst our penises, our cocking balls. That just, I just can’t explain it. That I feel like the rest of the world wants to take away from us.

Tony Blauer (13:41):

Well, that’s happening for sure. Right. But, uh, I, I don’t know. I I’d have to, I’d have to, um, I’d like to sit in, in a session with you and your therapist and just listen to you discuss this intimacy thing with, with, with men, cuz we’re, we’re blurring a line here. I I’ve never had another man put his head down on my lap while I continue eating, uh,

Sevan Matossian (14:08):


Tony Blauer (14:08):

Uh, fucking, uh, uh, tofu salad.

Sevan Matossian (14:12):

I just have a broader, I have a larger pallet than you, Mr. Bower.

Tony Blauer (14:16):


Sevan Matossian (14:17):

You have a larger pallet

Speaker 3 (14:20):


Sevan Matossian (14:24):

And is Chandler telling him about his injury now? Like, Hey, Hey, no, nah,

Tony Blauer (14:28):

He, he he’s going, uh, I, I, I think so. Yeah. He’s not saying it in those many words cuz it’s it’s um, uh, you don’t like to reveal the Achilles heel,

Sevan Matossian (14:39):

Right? We just had a friend blow out as Achilles’s tendon. Did you hear about it?

Tony Blauer (14:44):


Sevan Matossian (14:45):


Tony Blauer (14:46):


Sevan Matossian (14:47):

I shouldn’t say on here. Okay. I don’t know if he wants everyone to know. I’ll tell you

Tony Blauer (14:50):

Afterwards. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (14:53):

Playing basketball.

Tony Blauer (14:55):


Sevan Matossian (14:55):

Yeah. And you know what he thought, just like everyone else. He thought that you know that, that when your Achilles tendon blows out, you think someone threw something at you or someone kicked you or tripped you. You always hear that story, right? Like a runner in baseball’s like, oh fuck the ball hit me. And everyone’s like, not your heel, your heel blue, or like this guy thought someone kicked him in the back of the leg and tripped him.

Tony Blauer (15:15):


Sevan Matossian (15:16):

Yeah. Have you had that injury kill his tendon blow? No. Sounds like a bad one, right? Yeah.

Tony Blauer (15:21):


Sevan Matossian (15:22):

I’d rather lose a testicle. No, no, no.

Tony Blauer (15:26):

Than you none.

Sevan Matossian (15:30):

Okay. So someone’s hat came off.

Tony Blauer (15:33):

Yeah. Uh, I think Ray threw his hat off.

Sevan Matossian (15:35):

Okay. So he’s getting ready

Tony Blauer (15:37):

Or Michael

Sevan Matossian (15:38):

Getting serious. Now I learned about now he’s got Ray’s arm. Ray was gonna try to grab his leg or something. Now Tony sees something either he likes or he doesn’t like, so Tony’s now about to insert

Tony Blauer (15:57):

I’ve I’ve is, do you wanna know what’s going on in my mind there please? The, um, uh,

Sevan Matossian (16:03):

Ray’s gonna get snapped down on his face.

Tony Blauer (16:06):

No, I, I was, I actually got nervous cause I didn’t know. Um, I didn’t know if Ray was gonna do something and I didn’t want Mike to get injured and not that he can’t protect himself. Right. But I was like, should I like start? Like, like, cuz he was like, no, come on man. Like, and then, and then, and then all of a sudden, not my heart started raised cuz there’s about I think 15 or 20 people watching on a left. Um,

Sevan Matossian (16:33):

And that changes the energy. Right?

Tony Blauer (16:35):

Well it, it, I, I knew what I was about to do. And I was like, okay, like, I don’t know, Ray that well, I mean the guys that like a Navy seal, his instructor, uh, we’ve known each other for, for years, but he calls me coach and he is just, you know, because of my work in the combatives community, but we’re not, we haven’t hung out a lot yet at this point. So, so what I’m about to demo is a big leap in intimacy. As I like to

Sevan Matossian (17:04):

<laugh> see right now. I want everyone to remember just a few moments ago, Tony Bower said he wouldn’t put his head on another man’s lap and, and I just wanna let you know that like it’s okay. That, that’s what this show is about. It’s about exploring, um, going, going into the unknown therapy. Um, uh, yes, yes. Uh, the other day, uh, so my kids don’t go to school cause I don’t want them to learn anything. And the other day I said a swear word at the house and my kid goes, uh, uh, you know, if you swear, you’re not gonna go to heaven. I’m like, who told you that? And he’s like, so and so, and it’s some fucking four yearold kid in his jujitsu class that if you swear, you don’t go to heaven. Look right at my kid. And I go, I am God <laugh> that was done. That was it. That’s it. He’s like, so you go, no matter what, I go, no matter what goes. Wow.

Tony Blauer (17:51):

That’s awesome.

Sevan Matossian (17:52):

Done. All right. Alright, here we go.

Speaker 3 (17:53):

Show you, look, get back in position, get back in the exact same position.

Sevan Matossian (17:56):

So now Tony, Tony saw something he liked or didn’t like, and you’re here to give instruction. Right? You told Michael Chandler to get back in position.

Tony Blauer (18:03):

Uh, yeah. I wanted Ray to get back into position where he had his head down and, and he was, he was getting ready for a double leg or

Sevan Matossian (18:11):

Something. And who’s the guy filming over there.

Tony Blauer (18:13):

Just one of the guys at the, uh, one of the guys, one of the attendees

Sevan Matossian (18:18):

And this changes all the dynamics now, right? Like, like Ray doesn’t wanna get slammed on the ground. Chandler probably doesn’t wanna get slammed on the ground. Right.

Tony Blauer (18:25):

And, and yeah. And, and he knows me. You can start to see some of the people moving around. Cause they think I’m about to like a, a lot of these guys just went through some serious combative, some gun dis arm stuff with me, uh, so that they, they think I’m about to show some, some cool move.

Sevan Matossian (18:40):

And Michael Chandler’s commented. Hahaha. I was scared to death.

Tony Blauer (18:44):


Speaker 3 (18:44):

Watch this good stay in that position. Watch this. No, <laugh> something.

Sevan Matossian (18:55):

Hey, you totally disarm the situation.

Tony Blauer (18:58):

I it’s. It’s one of the ways it’s one of the ways to get out moves is to, uh, is to Ram your cock in somebody.

Sevan Matossian (19:08):

I dunno. I, I show this plane around with my good friend, Tony Bower, who I was rattling my head to try to figure out and remember how we met. And you think that maybe this is just fun or this is just guys, but here’s the fucking point. The other day, I saw a video of uh, uh, of an ethics professor who was fired from Columbia university, Peter Bogosian on campus at another university. And he was trying to, um, talk to people about the definition of men and women and a group of sociologists surrounded him, surrounded him in like a violent manner saying that even the discussion of what’s the difference between men and women, um, is offensive Jesus and, and triggers people. And here’s grown men that don’t even really fucking know each other who are quote unquote violent by nature that can joke around at the fucking highest fucking level. And if you didn’t th if you thought for a second, that Ray was offended by that or triggered by that. Well, think twice this fucking guy put it on his Instagram account to show Tony another man joking around about having anal with him. That people <laugh>. Yeah. Tony

Tony Blauer (20:21):

<laugh> I look, look how upset I am. I’m like what? We’re stopped. Um, I was

Sevan Matossian (20:26):

Done. It’s such a better life. We live not being offended. We live such a better life. We are so happy. We’re so free. That’s what you call egoless. That’s what you call respecting humanity. That’s what’s good. You call respecting the magic. That’s like what you call seeing that these are just people having connections. This, this is the way some men, this is the way we love on each other. I call Tony and hang up five times and then I’m and then, and then text him, Hey, I think something’s wrong with your phone when I know it’s just me fucking with them. It’s just us. It’s it’s me telling him. I like him the same way I, I pulled the girls’ hair in kindergarten. Leave us alone. Right? Go ahead, Tony, what were you gonna say?

Tony Blauer (21:04):

No, it’s a great, it’s a great rant. And, and here’s an interesting thing is, is, uh, when, uh, somebody sent that to Ray, obviously I wasn’t filming and he wasn’t filming somebody. You know, there were like a bunch of people filming, but society is so scared. Right? So somebody sent it to him. Ray actually called me and said, Hey, do you mind if I post that,

Sevan Matossian (21:30):

Um, common courtesy, just common courtesy.

Tony Blauer (21:32):

Sure. And you know, your digital fingerprint online. And do you mind if I post you’re like this, you know, uh, a alleged macho combatives guy, like the, like, you don’t wanna see this. Isn’t good for your, I said, fuck, I would love you to post that. You’re right. Like, you know, so, um, you bring up, that was a great rant. What you did there it’s so I, I get, I get fucking crazy with the shit going on. It drives, I can’t consume it. It’s just annoying.

Sevan Matossian (22:00):

Uh it’s it’s uh, and it, none of it was even planned. I didn’t know anywhere any of it was going my talk, but, uh, cuz I just liked the video. When I saw the video, I just wanted to show it and I thought it would be fun to hear, talk about it, but it always just ends up there because that’s kind of where I’m at in my head space right now. I just want, I just want my, my boys to be free and have the space to play like we play.

Tony Blauer (22:17):

But you, you said something that I think the most potent part of that is is this, this is more fun. The like worrying about offending, you know? And you’ve gotta, and, and it’s funny because we’ve known each other. I think we met 2006 ish or seven. When, you know, through,

Sevan Matossian (22:39):

You were probably teaching one of the specialty like that one hour specialty thing at the end of an L one with Greg or something like the Sunday morning, like that was rattling my brain to try to remember how I met you.

Tony Blauer (22:50):

It, it was, I mean it was early, early, early on in there, but um, but I always, and it was one of the reasons I think that, uh, you and Jesse, uh, not my mistres my wife, um, hit it off is like, she’s got no filter. You have no filter. You guys just, you, you see stuff and there’s no, there’s no moment. Like, should I say this? Should I ask this? And uh, um, it’s, it’s a, it’s, it’s a very, it’s a wonderful curiosity. It’s not my brain moves too fast. I go, I’m not gonna fucking say that. I’ll try and figure this out. I’m gonna Google this, you know? But, uh, no it’s fascinating. And, and the rant listened back to it, cuz it was, it was, you were in that flow state there and it’s uh, you know, we have more fun. It’s just because there’s like, there’s a freedom to improvise a freedom to explore. And uh,

Sevan Matossian (23:46):

What happens if I don’t get offended, everyone gets offended. So, so, so if I call Tony, let’s say in three hours, I call Tony to, this is mine and Tony’s relationship. He would an I I’m in a meeting and then hang up and some people would be offended by that. I’m flattered by that. Holy fuck. He took two seconds to tell me he’s a meeting and hung up on me. Right. Like, cuz that’s what I would do to someone. I really like someone I, who was like on the B team, I just hang up on. I don’t, I don’t even answer it. Right. Yeah. It’s just, it’s just the story. You, it’s the story you tell yourself. And we live man with so many people who are so easily offended that I, I, I, I should have spotted it like five or 10 years ago when I saw these people. It was among the younger CrossFit athletes who were coming up and you know, I was in my thirties then and they were in their twenties and I would see the relationships they have with their girlfriends. And the fact that if you don’t text someone back in three hours, they get mad. I was like, holy shit.

Sevan Matossian (24:40):

It’s a, it’s like imagine having a leash on you.

Tony Blauer (24:44):

I just, I’m looking at your name at Sivan matosian and I’m looking at my name, Tony and I just realized I’ve moved just, and it must be because I’m on your show and it’s that next level I’m now like at Drake, Madonna prince, like no last name anymore. I just, I’m just going by my first name from now on.

Sevan Matossian (25:03):

I’m going to, uh, I’m gonna see if I can fix that. Wow. Uh, are you, are you your, your shadow band too? Wow. Yeah, I knew you were, but it’s, it’s always, it’s always a shock.

Tony Blauer (25:14):

I try, I try to, uh, comment on a lot of your posts. Cause I still wanna fight your kid and I can’t, I can’t comment, um, on you.

Sevan Matossian (25:24):

What is your, um, man, you don’t even pop up in my auto populate. What is your Instagram?

Tony Blauer (25:30):

Uh, at Tobler. Just one word.

Sevan Matossian (25:33):

Yeah. It won’t even. Oh shit. And there’s a Tony Brower underscore too. Is that you also,

Tony Blauer (25:37):

That’s a fake account selling crypto.

Sevan Matossian (25:41):

It’s not even you.

Tony Blauer (25:42):

No, they did a pretty good job. Eh? Yeah. Lots of people reporting it. Uh, Instagram doesn’t think there’s a problem with it.

Sevan Matossian (25:53):


Tony Blauer (25:54):

Not violating. They’re not violating any, any of our terms. That’s that was their answer. Uh, the guys contacting people through WhatsApp, trying to sell them crypto.

Sevan Matossian (26:04):

My, my, my wife’s not gonna like this story. I apologize. The other day my wife comes into the, into the room. Um, and she goes, Hey, I’m on with um, Amazon support. They said, I just bought an iPhone 13. I go, oh, gimme your phone. I’ll fucking kill you. If you call <laugh> she’s what I’m like, Amazon, support’s never gonna call you.

Tony Blauer (26:25):


Sevan Matossian (26:26):

She’s like, holy shit. I’m like what? She’s like, I get five of these a day and I never fall for one. I go, yeah. It only takes one.

Tony Blauer (26:32):


Sevan Matossian (26:33):

Uh, I, I got, I got one, a couple years ago that I fell for. This is the Watsonville courthouse. We have a court date set for you. That’s the court, that’s the courthouse. Just, you know, 20 miles from me. I’m like, no shit. And they’re like, yeah, Pete, someone’s pressing charges on you on a hit and run. And I was like, like, uh, we, uh, the lawyers here and like, and next thing I know I’m calling the Watsonville courthouse. They’re like, dude, you’re being punked.

Tony Blauer (26:55):

That’s that’s but that’s subtle like that one.

Sevan Matossian (26:59):


Tony Blauer (26:59):

Because, because,

Sevan Matossian (27:01):

And it got my heart going.

Tony Blauer (27:02):

Why? Of course. Why? Like, why would, why would you think that wasn’t real? The other stuff, the other stuff people should know, they’re, didn’t fished, but, but uh, what a bunch of like, what type of person are you that just, that’s your, I go, I got this idea today. I’m going to start this scam business and fucking scam people. People suck, man.

Sevan Matossian (27:26):

They, when they call, I can tell they’re in call centers and they’re just one of 500 like, holy shit, this is a fucking like legit operation.

Tony Blauer (27:35):

Right, right.

Sevan Matossian (27:38):

In 1985, you started Brower tactical.

Tony Blauer (27:46):

Crazy that I got a business name that had my same name LA last name. That was so fortuitous

Sevan Matossian (27:53):

15 that’s that’s 37 years ago.

Tony Blauer (27:56):


Sevan Matossian (27:58):

And, um, I’m gonna take this somewhere, but feel free to stop me anywhere if you wanna fill in details along the way. But, um, but sort of the premise of this, of your, of your system is to, uh, weaponizing the startle flinch. So we all have a startle flinch and, and basically, how can you turn that into, um, something to protect yourself or, or, or get yourself out of a, a bad situation before it ha before it happens.

Tony Blauer (28:24):

Yeah. Do you want me to jump in

Sevan Matossian (28:26):

And, and connect, uh, and connecting and the, and the classes are about connecting fear and aggression? Um, uh, that’s the training. Yeah. Feel free. Jump in. Yes.

Tony Blauer (28:34):

Well, just the, just, just to put some context around. So your start of flinch is part of our survival reflex. Uh, almost, you know, every everyone has, unless there’s some sort of like injury to your brain or something, and you don’t relate to fear or the anticipation of danger or fear, uh, you’ll flinch and it could be a spider snake, a somewhere behind, you know, you’re reading and then suddenly you

Sevan Matossian (28:59):

Realize, wow, when you waved your hand like that, this word fuck fear appeared.

Tony Blauer (29:03):

Yeah. I got the, the lighting.

Sevan Matossian (29:07):

Oh, shit.

Tony Blauer (29:09):

Rusty bought that for me.

Sevan Matossian (29:10):

Wow. Do you know that you can’t, I thought that was something your computer was doing. You had subliminally put that because when you lean forward, it just the exposure. So that vanishes

Tony Blauer (29:18):

Trying to figure out yeah. Certain days,

Sevan Matossian (29:21):

Genius, genius.

Tony Blauer (29:23):

Certain days of the, um, certain time of the day. The lighting’s really cool.

Sevan Matossian (29:28):

Yeah. That’s a good gift. You, when she gave you that you weren’t like that’s too strong. Sorry, I can’t do that.

Tony Blauer (29:33):

No. Uh, well it just having the word. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what’s interesting is, so we’ve got,

Sevan Matossian (29:40):

Um, I’ll get you back on by the way to startle flinch, but, but yeah. Tell me about this fuck thing.

Tony Blauer (29:44):

And, and, and my middle name is tangent, so I got it too. You know, that

Sevan Matossian (29:48):

Tony tangent blower,

Tony Blauer (29:50):

Right? The, um, um, so I turned from our whole no fear program. We created a pretty fucking cool.

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