#475 – HillerFit Review Show

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Andrew Hiller (00:00):

Okay. Okay. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam. We’re live.

Andrew Hiller (00:03):

You know, I knew you’d be wearing that shirt. I knew it

Sevan Matossian (00:06):

Happy. Is it today? The fourth?

Andrew Hiller (00:09):

Nope. I wanna believe it’s tomorrow.

Sevan Matossian (00:10):

It is. You believe what you want.

Andrew Hiller (00:14):

SU you hanging out today. You staying with us?

Mattew Souza (00:16):

I think so.

Andrew Hiller (00:17):

Hey good.

Mattew Souza (00:19):

Hey, I watched a bunch of your videos. I’m prepared.

Andrew Hiller (00:23):

Perfect. I watched a couple too.

Sevan Matossian (00:26):

<laugh> oh shit. I printed out the wrong notes. Aye. Ya. Yay.

Andrew Hiller (00:30):

Show is not live anymore. Turns it off. What the

Sevan Matossian (00:33):

<laugh> God. It’s okay. I got back and stop

Andrew Hiller (00:35):

You right onto the casting couch. I

Sevan Matossian (00:37):

Just, Hey,

Mattew Souza (00:39):

Hey, come on. Family’s couch

Sevan Matossian (00:43):

Hiller on one of your shows, you were like this, isn’t gonna be like one of those shows where they talk about how good people are or what place they took. I’m gonna go deeper. Was that a digit? Was that a digit? Was that a Dick at my show?

Andrew Hiller (00:56):

Absolutely not a dig at your show because I wanna say that on your show, you do go deeper. It’s the deepest show on the internet semi.

Sevan Matossian (01:05):

Thank you. Thank you.

Andrew Hiller (01:06):

And in all facets of, of depth,

Sevan Matossian (01:09):

Um, do you wanna start with the liver king?

Andrew Hiller (01:12):

Oh, we’re talking liver king.

Sevan Matossian (01:14):

Do you wanna talk a little bit about, I have two things. I want two things I wanna bring up that are non Hiller fit, but they are Hiller fit. I cuz I always

Andrew Hiller (01:21):

To a liver king.

Sevan Matossian (01:21):

Okay. Uh, could you pull up mark? Bell’s uh, Instagram. Thank you. Mm-hmm why are people obsessed with um, the liver king and steroids?

Andrew Hiller (01:34):

Uh, claim <affirmative> uh, because he’s claimed that he is natural and he is clearly not natural.

Sevan Matossian (01:38):

Well, people, people have asked.

Andrew Hiller (01:41):

I have a question for you. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know him from a previous life?

Sevan Matossian (01:46):

No, I, no. I don’t know. Uh, what do you mean a previous life before I did cross it. I just know him from the last couple years, Instagram friend and a, uh, and, and, and I text with him and I’m, I, I mean, I like the guy. I would like to think that we we’re in the courtship phases of a friendship. I would say a couple years of,

Andrew Hiller (02:05):

I know he is been on your show before. Is he gonna like come after me and hunt me? If I say some shit

Sevan Matossian (02:09):

<laugh> no, I don’t think he cares.

Andrew Hiller (02:11):

Oh, okay. Um, I watch that show with Hilary and HES comes with a fricking spear and he is like, this is what primals do kills me,

Sevan Matossian (02:19):

Liver king. He, oh, I didn’t even see him at the UFC last night.

Mattew Souza (02:23):

I think it’s on his Instagram

Andrew Hiller (02:26):

King was wild, negative

Mattew Souza (02:27):

UFC on his stories.

Sevan Matossian (02:28):

So I, I don’t, um, the guys that I have known who do who’ve done, steroids look, nothing like, um, him,

Andrew Hiller (02:39):

What do they look like?

Sevan Matossian (02:40):

They just look like just big giant dudes. I mean, the guys who’ve told me that they’ve done it. You know what I mean? They don’t, they don’t look all shreded like him. So, so I’m not, I’m not saying that. Um, he doesn’t, uh, but, but all those bodybuilders that do steroids, the, I guess look like him, but before I go there, what’s the, what is the fascination with him and steroids. Because they think that he’s implying that if you train like him and take the ancestral supplements, that you’ll look like him.

Andrew Hiller (03:13):

How often does he promote his supplements? Or are there just links?

Sevan Matossian (03:17):

I never see him promote it. Oh yeah. I never see him promote it.

Mattew Souza (03:20):

I don’t think he does. And, and honestly, when he does, a lot of times, he says, go to your local butcher and get, get the organ straight from the source. And if you can’t, this is a second option. And I’ve always seen that a couple of times.

Sevan Matossian (03:30):

Well, let’s just make it even bad about him. Let’s say that’s just a tactic. That’s just a strategy’s psychological strategy to

Andrew Hiller (03:37):

Not, there’s two, there’s two avenues to take on this. And number one is either he’s natural and he’s correct in doing everything that he says, get got him to where he’s gotten or two he’s completely full of shit. And he is selling his stuff. So there’s two roots to take. Let’s say I wanna look like the liver king. I

Sevan Matossian (03:55):

Either. Oh, nice shirt, Hiller. Nice shirt.

Andrew Hiller (03:58):

We talked about this already.

Mattew Souza (04:00):

All right. Alright.

Andrew Hiller (04:01):

Well, yeah, you

Mattew Souza (04:03):

S so funny. I always wore that same shirt too. I nice.

Andrew Hiller (04:06):

That would’ve been awesome.

Sevan Matossian (04:08):

Okay. So either he’s not juiced up or he’s,

Andrew Hiller (04:10):

So the roots are he’s. You either are going to the butcher, buying the liver and doing the whole liver king deal. And you’re pulling the sled with 35 pounds of chains on your neck. And you’re like, I’m training, like the ancestors would, and you’re in belief and he is promoting something that is truthful or B it’s all bullshit. And he’s selling his supplements. And that that’s really in my head, the only two ways to look at it. Right. And you think that he is truthful and that’s cool.

Mattew Souza (04:38):


Andrew Hiller (04:38):

I, I being truthful,

Sevan Matossian (04:40):

I don’t, um, I mean, if you were to put a gun to my head and be like, Hey, is he juiced? Or isn’t he juiced? I’d go with he’s juiced.

Andrew Hiller (04:48):


Sevan Matossian (04:49):

I go with juice.

Mattew Souza (04:50):

You got, you got me.

Sevan Matossian (04:52):

Yeah, you got me, but

Mattew Souza (04:54):


Andrew Hiller (04:54):

You’re trying, you got me.

Sevan Matossian (04:55):

But, but, but, but, but I don’t hold my opinion. I mean, I know, I know Joe Rogan is on steroids. I know that. Well, or, or he’s on something. I don’t even know. I don’t even know what I’m talking about. I know he is on something. I

Andrew Hiller (05:06):

Believe it’s, I believe it’s TRT. And I think he claimed the new HGH H

Sevan Matossian (05:09):

Yeah. Something something’s wrong with his skin and his blood pressure and the shape of his body. It’s not like my brain looks at it and is like, Hey, that’s not normal. That’s not like, I’m not looking at it. Uh, and, and, and mark bells definitely, you know,

Andrew Hiller (05:22):

He’s also on TRT. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (05:24):

I think he open and he doesn’t, my brain looks at him and doesn’t, there’s like some, uh, a Southern California, like, I guess, like plasticity component to it. Like, I’m, I don’t know what it is, but my brain is like, wait a second. I have to, when I look at these guys, I have my, I have to do some, um,

Andrew Hiller (05:41):

Well, Mark Bell also used to be like 300 pound bodybuilder. Big. Right? Yeah. And the reason he, right. Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and the reason he might look a little different is because now he’s just on the hormone replacement therapy and he’s smaller. So he might have an odd appearance being that much smaller. He’s like two thirds size. He was,

Sevan Matossian (05:58):

Uh, yeah. It’s. It’s not that it’s odd. It’s just, it doesn’t register.

Andrew Hiller (06:03):

Um, there you go. Liver king right next to him. Good comparison.

Sevan Matossian (06:07):

Oh, that’s awesome that he went to the ranch with him. Liver King’s abs are fake. He did mention as a kid doing thousands of reps on the AB wheel, my personal assessment after touching them. Hey, now is that they are not fake, but they are unreal.

Andrew Hiller (06:19):

You’ve you’ve touched his abs.

Sevan Matossian (06:21):

I have not. I just read, I just read, um, I just read Mark Bell talking about it.

Andrew Hiller (06:26):

Oh, okay. Oh, sorry. I can’t read that’s too small on my screen.

Sevan Matossian (06:30):

What a weird thing to say that someone’s abs are fake.

Andrew Hiller (06:35):

Uh, I think those are real abs

Mattew Souza (06:37):

Can you get implants? Would that be the only other thing implied? <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (06:41):

Everybody used to say that Schwartzenegger had calf implants. <laugh> which when you hear stuff like that, it’s always in my head, a compliment to that person, especially when clearly those aren’t fake. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (06:54):

Hey, mark. That is not the way I would’ve touched his AB mm-hmm

Mattew Souza (06:57):


Andrew Hiller (06:59):

You would’ve rubbed something on him.

Sevan Matossian (07:00):

Right, dude, I would’ve spit on my hand first and use these two fingers. I just fuck. I really like both those guys. It’s really cool. Seeing both of ’em in the same shot. Um, yeah,

Mattew Souza (07:16):

They’re cool.

Sevan Matossian (07:18):

I just don’t get why anyone can it’s it’s it’s so bizarre to, or when people say it’s not ancestral to fly in a G five. It absolutely is ancestral to fly in a G five or what the fuck are you talking about?

Andrew Hiller (07:29):

All, give me more, give more. I want to hear about it.

Sevan Matossian (07:31):

What we’re gonna, I wanna play the whole, I wanna play the whole, the whole thing for you up at the top. Play that last clip that he, oh shit. So Mark Bell is wait.

Mattew Souza (07:40):

Yeah. He was hanging out.

Sevan Matossian (07:41):

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He was,

Mattew Souza (07:42):

He was hanging out, man. They were down there there’s clips on their boat and stuff like that. He got a bunch of stuff with him. He spent time with him.

Sevan Matossian (07:52):

Oh, listen. To listen to what Mark Bell says. This guy, liver king is for real. He’s a hell of an entrepreneur. Excuse me, entrepreneur. Uh, he he’s a, he he’s, he, he has a hell of a lot of manure. He’s approaching nine figures. So seven figures is a million. Eight figures is 10 million. Nine figures is a hundred million. <laugh> when I got the text message from, fuck. I can’t remember the guy’s name right now. He was Rose’s right hand, man. He, he used to work out in Eric Rose’s gym with him. Jason Wood, Jason King. Jason, do you remember who that guy is? Uh,

Andrew Hiller (08:30):

Jason kid. I have no idea. Jason kid, the point guard for the nets. I don’t. Soon as I sent you a link of the liver king on showing the type of steroids he takes.

Sevan Matossian (08:40):

Anyway, he sent

Andrew Hiller (08:42):

Two 10 on that video

Sevan Matossian (08:43):

In my DMS. He goes, Hey, I’m friends with a guy who will write Greg a check, um, today for 10 figures to buy CrossFit. This is not a joke. And that, and he was referencing Eric Rose. Fuck. What the fuck is that? Guy’s name? Why can’t I remember your name? He’s a nice guy too.

Andrew Hiller (09:00):

Apparently all the money in the world can’t buy it.

Sevan Matossian (09:02):

He used to sell chips

Andrew Hiller (09:03):


Sevan Matossian (09:04):

He used to sell chips for, uh, whole foods or two whole foods. God damnit. What’s the, he still works CrossFit. I think he, he works for, um, Justin anyway. So, so this guy’s worth, according to Mark Bell, this guy is like somewhere between, um, 10 and 99 million, his revenue, and someday he’ll be a billionaire. So I think there’s a lot to be learned from this man from that perspective and many others. So when I read that, what Mark Bell is doing is, is like, Hey, I met him. I like him, but I don’t believe that he’s not on steroids. That’s what Mark’s saying. Right? I met him. I like him. I like his business acumen. I don’t know what that word means.

Andrew Hiller (09:44):

Did you just summarize this massive writing right here? So

Sevan Matossian (09:47):

I think there’s a lot to be learned from this man from the perspective of many others, from what I’ve seen, his wife doesn’t need to be rescued or his children rad and striker. Me and my brother got to check out liver lake house and liver king ranch, which is over 500 acres. This is a high energy positive guy that loves to have fun. We went on his boat, shot a bunch of amazing guns. And I even broke one of, one of, many of his razors in a mud Pitt. We also ate together, lifted together. His physique is beyond impressive. So there’s a lot of steroid allegations. I asked his, his, I asked his very direct about any and all performance enhancers. He said he definitely that he doesn’t and has never, he was 1 75 in college and is now 1 90, 1 95. He’s 45 years old. Even though that’s not a huge guy. When you’re five, seven. That’s really amazing. I can’t believe he’s five seven. I know a five, five guy when I see one. I don’t think so. In fact, I’ve been single digit, uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I, I, I just like him. Every interaction I’ve had with him has been positive and upbeat. And I don’t care. I don’t understand what the obsession is with, I guess.

Andrew Hiller (10:46):

Well, doesn’t matter. It just depends on kind of the, the effects it would have on the people. I know rather closely an individual who goes to the butcher weekly to buy bones and marrow and just keeps him in the fridge. And it’s because this individual wants to do what the liver king is doing appear like the liver king appears and it’s is it disingenuous? I don’t know. <laugh>

Mattew Souza (11:09):

Was there a downside to it?

Andrew Hiller (11:11):

I, no, it just Mon monetary. He could possibly be wasting money, but if it’s not affecting him that way, then whatever. Yeah. It’s like an alcoholic semi or a heroin addict. <laugh> that they, why do they do it? Because they want something on, they wanna chase the high, right? So is it affecting them? Are they living on the streets? I guess?

Mattew Souza (11:28):

Well, yeah, side effects. There might be worse

Sevan Matossian (11:31):

Chasing him. So, so is there anything you see on him when you see him sitting right there that you’re like, yeah, that steroids, like the color of his skin or his forehead development or any of those veins or

Andrew Hiller (11:42):

He has extremely underdeveloped legs, which is interesting to me considering the fact that he does kind of CrossFit as functional training. And it just that the AB development and the shoulder development doesn’t really make sense in relation to the leg development. But looking at ’em, it’s hard to tell when you just look at somebody to say, Hey, that indicates that they’re on steroids. Like, yeah, there was a certain CrossFit athlete that a bunch of people had sent me information. It’s like, look at this person’s acne. Like, that doesn’t mean that they’re on steroids. It maybe how many people do you know that just have acne like, well, it’s on their bag. Yeah. I know a bunch of people who have acne on their bag. It doesn’t mean anything.

Sevan Matossian (12:18):

It’s I don’t have any now, but I’ve had some before.

Andrew Hiller (12:21):

Yeah. And also this person happened to be younger. So whatever,

Sevan Matossian (12:25):

Never knowing takens by the way.

Andrew Hiller (12:29):

Never knowingly. Yeah. <laugh> everyone tainted your supplements in. That’s why your arms look the way they look the handful,

Sevan Matossian (12:35):

Some pills something’s tainted.

Andrew Hiller (12:37):

Handful of pills. Wait a minute. I got something. The thing that I usually look for is the timeline of things. So you said that he was 1 75 in college and now he is 1 91 as a 40 year old man. I mean, is that weight that lead mass increased something that’s expected and capable to be done. It’s hard to believe that he put on about 20 pounds of lean mass into his forties. That it’s just something. And then also, if you go look at his profile, there’s nothing prior to maybe one year ago, maybe two years ago on any of his social media, which is another indicator. You look at the timeline of their life. That’s the things that I like to look for. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (13:15):


Andrew Hiller (13:15):

Than the side effect profile.

Sevan Matossian (13:17):

If I could squat, what Annie Thor’s daughter could squat and clean and do all that. I would fucking make her look like, like, like she doesn’t work out her, her lower, her lower body doesn’t look like she’s ever squatted in her fucking life. She got a narrow skinny AB no fucking quad development, no fucking Cav development and all she, she’s just a fucking set of the Batman abs by the way, any

Andrew Hiller (13:45):

Throw on or roast session.

Sevan Matossian (13:46):

Ah, no, it’s not a roast session. I find her body extremely beautiful and perfect. But I’m just saying in relationship, you’re saying his legs are underdeveloped here. We have one of the most fittest women in the world and her legs are as smooth as fucking as porcelain.

Andrew Hiller (14:00):

Ya has a pretty good comment there. He may be holding his body fat. Well, which is something that some people think so

Sevan Matossian (14:06):

You’re starting to think he’s not juiced.

Andrew Hiller (14:08):

No, I’m not

Sevan Matossian (14:10):


Andrew Hiller (14:12):

So you have not talked me. No, no, no. I’m, I’m just playing devil’s advocate because I think it’s the only way to play any situation. But I still don’t think that he is natural. I just don’t think that it does him at any service in his life to say that he’s using anything.

Sevan Matossian (14:27):

Okay. So he’s trying to sell supplements. There’s an implication. There’s an implication that her, that her, yeah. God Annie’s, body’s amazing. Yeah. I just

Andrew Hiller (14:37):

Wanna bring that to show that real quick. Her legs aren’t as small as you say either.

Sevan Matossian (14:40):

I don’t think not small. They’re just not developed. They’re not, they’re not, there’s not like bumps on ’em and shit.

Andrew Hiller (14:45):

Well, other than that one female that we know in the CrossFit space, her not many female’s legs look defined like male legs. Would you agree?

Sevan Matossian (14:54):

Um, yeah. Not, not, yeah. Yeah. Not, not as much. And, and that, and that, and hers are more defined than any male’s legs I’ve ever seen.

Andrew Hiller (15:01):


Sevan Matossian (15:04):

I, I, I think someone told me that she, she doesn’t want, we’re not allowed to talk about her. She has a rule unless we ask her first, when I kind never,

Andrew Hiller (15:11):

Or we could talk about,

Sevan Matossian (15:12):

I kinda never wanna talk about her again. Cuz she said that,

Andrew Hiller (15:15):

You know, Seth, Seth STK on CrossFit, mayhem, justice. He’s got very nice light development. I knew before he blocked me on Instagram.

Sevan Matossian (15:24):

Hey, his some dude blocked you. You like, like that girl that we were talking about, her name starts to the sea Carou.

Andrew Hiller (15:30):

Yeah. Co COHA Cohen. Uh, something like that.

Sevan Matossian (15:33):

Her, her ass is separated from her. Like the other stuff,

Andrew Hiller (15:40):


Sevan Matossian (15:40):

Quads and the ham MYR strings and the like, I’d never seen that on a dude unless he’s like, unless he’s like walking through the desert and hasn’t eaten in 30 days,

Andrew Hiller (15:49):

Do you know what? I, I believe it’s a Ste in deficiency. I knew an individual in high school who had a legitimate, I, I believe that’s the terminology. I’m about 70% sure MYTA deficiency, which is the regulatory hormone, which keeps you from growing too quick. Yeah. And if I were to look at her and if I were to believe that she’s natural, the only way that that would be true.

Sevan Matossian (16:09):

You don’t think that chick’s natural. The chick we’re not supposed to talk about

Speaker 4 (16:13):


Andrew Hiller (16:14):

I didn’t say that. I said that she, you

Sevan Matossian (16:16):

Said, if you like to believe she’s natural is implied.

Andrew Hiller (16:20):

I have somebody who had something, which would lead me to believe that that is also what she’s got going on

Sevan Matossian (16:26):

And oh, and that she’s not juicing.

Andrew Hiller (16:27):

Correct? That would be likely, oh, I mean, in my realm, which is narrow, I would assume compared to some people that’s the route that I would have to believe it from,

Sevan Matossian (16:36):

Sir. Your car has been overheating regularly this summer because your myostatin is not working properly and not sending, it’s not operating and sending coolant to the rest of your car. Oh, okay. Myostatin <laugh> I just saw a thermometer, not if anyone’s ass, just in a car, so. Okay. Uh, can you play that a little bit of that clip? I, I wanna, I wanna watch Hiller’s face when

Speaker 4 (16:59):


Sevan Matossian (16:59):

One that I was just on. Uh that’s. No, it’s the very top. It’s the very top. I think it’s the most recent clip. Yeah, yeah. Right there. Yeah. Here we go. We made a pretty

Speaker 4 (17:08):

Interesting statement on his show.

Speaker 5 (17:09):

Have you seen the bloke that eats the, just the raw that’s okay. Like that guy, it just looks ridiculous. He’s got alight of hearts and he’s just looks, he’s got an ass filled with steroids is what he’s got.

Speaker 4 (17:21):

What do you think of that comment? First of all, I just wanna say, I think he’s incredible. <laugh> um, I think that, uh, what a good you, I couldn’t be more grateful that he’s talking about me. Joe Rogan said this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy that I hold in the absolute highest regard. I they’re respect of the lies. He’s painting in. Look at how happy I am. You know, look at how many people that have never heard of me. How burger king, who right. It’s it, it is, you know, one of the greatest feelings. I also just do wanna say, I think that him saying that is dangerous. You know, I, I wanna set the record straight. I would love the opportunity to talk to him face to face, to really get deep into the nine ancestral tenants. When I’ll share back with you. And now I’m just gonna head, you know, face it, head on. I don’t, I don’t touch this stuff. I’ve never done this stuff. I’m not gonna do this stuff. What’s this what stuff? The, the, for steroids that he talks about, you’ve never taken steroids. You’ve never taken steroids. I’ve never done peds other than prioritize, execute.

Sevan Matossian (18:19):

Yeah. Hiller.

Speaker 4 (18:20):

The other day, somebody said something about growth hormone. Somebody said something about insulin,

Sevan Matossian (18:24):

But listen, but listen, could you pause this second? We have a whole world of people right now who are justifying killing fetuses and, and so anything’s possible. Anything’s possible.

Andrew Hiller (18:39):

Are we done listening to it? I was into that. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (18:41):

Oh yeah. Sorry, go ahead. Yes. Sorry guys.

Speaker 4 (18:44):

What about designer? Drugs that nobody can fucking detect. Mm. Oh my God. Yeah. What about that? Liver king. And there’s all these cut times. Joe Rogan made a pretty

Sevan Matossian (18:52):

That’s it

Andrew Hiller (18:54):

All right. I love his gratitude towards Joe Rogan talking about him. Yeah. That’s cool. Every time I see anybody saying anything about me on the internet, I’m like, yes.

Speaker 4 (19:05):

<laugh>. Oh

Sevan Matossian (19:06):

Yeah. I just saw your, your Reddit videos. Fucking awesome. I

Andrew Hiller (19:09):

I’m just like, holy shit. I’ve got Reddit threads on me. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (19:12):

Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. You’re

Andrew Hiller (19:16):

So lucky. So, so when, when, when, uh, liver king is talking about, I’m just happy that they’re chatting about me. I feel the same way.

Sevan Matossian (19:24):

Um, Chelsea says no steroids just PSMs I, but he said no peds. Right? Basically

Andrew Hiller (19:30):

He had as full of steroids,

Sevan Matossian (19:32):

But then he said he is never taken any peds, either PSMs or peds or, and peptides or peds and all that

Andrew Hiller (19:38):

Growth hormone he mentioned. Yeah. Mm-hmm

Sevan Matossian (19:40):

<affirmative> I wonder what Sarah Cox would think.

Andrew Hiller (19:43):

Should we get, should we get her on the show?

Sevan Matossian (19:45):

She won’t cut. She won’t come phone

Speaker 4 (19:46):

Friend, photo, friend and ask,

Andrew Hiller (19:48):


Sevan Matossian (19:48):

Have, oh, this is the girl’s name. We that we can’t say right here.

Andrew Hiller (19:53):

I say, so we won’t say it.

Sevan Matossian (19:54):

You can. We just can’t it. I just can’t. I don’t want be in, in the New York times again for harassing someone with a vagina. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (20:02):

You know what I, you know, building off what we just said, I’ll be in the New York times. Vicky Caruso. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (20:08):

<laugh> yeah. Okay. So now, now that we’ve said her name,

Andrew Hiller (20:11):

I already said that I believe that she could be natural, so fuck it.

Sevan Matossian (20:15):

Let’s can we, can we look at her Instagram? Mm-hmm <affirmative> uh, guys don’t look at, this is just for Hiller and I to look to, um, talk about the, her legs versus, uh, Annie’s legs versus liver. King’s legs. You guys don’t look at this cuz she doesn’t want anyone looking at her Instagram unless they ask her,

Andrew Hiller (20:32):

Where did you read this? Why? Why is this a thing?

Sevan Matossian (20:34):

Someone sent me, someone sent me like a, a video or something where she’s like, I don’t want anyone talking about me unless they ask me for, okay, look it. Yeah,

Andrew Hiller (20:41):

Listen. Well then don’t put your pictures on the internet for the world to

Sevan Matossian (20:43):

See. Okay. Now can you pause that? What is that hanging out of her shorts.

Andrew Hiller (20:47):

That is part of her upper hamstring.

Sevan Matossian (20:50):

Okay. Like some

Andrew Hiller (20:51):

Good old fashioned hammy. Awesome.

Sevan Matossian (20:55):

You’ve seen a dude who has that? A guy?

Andrew Hiller (20:59):

Yeah, his, I don’t wanna say his name, but I knew him in high school and the dude would touch a weight and he would blow up.

Sevan Matossian (21:05):

Fuck. I wish I had a deficiency, whatever that deficiency. There’s it shorten your life at all.

Andrew Hiller (21:10):

There’s a SARM that’ll do that for you. It’ll inhibit your body’s ability to slow down your muscle growth.

Sevan Matossian (21:16):

Have you ever had anyone put their finger in your ass Hiller? <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (21:20):

Uh, yeah, actually. Yeah, it was, it was alright. Little oil check, little, one of those where it’s like, you don’t know what’s gonna happen. And then it’s like, am I that kind of guy? And it’s like, no, I don’t think so.

Sevan Matossian (21:31):

A few years ago I had a

Andrew Hiller (21:32):

Dude that kinda guy,

Sevan Matossian (21:33):

A few years ago I had a dude put his finger in my ass. And um, then a dude,

Andrew Hiller (21:39):

A dude. Was

Sevan Matossian (21:40):

It a

Andrew Hiller (21:40):

Doctor? Was it

Sevan Matossian (21:41):

A doctor? Yeah. I mean, he said he was, it was at, he said he was, I wasn’t like I, he said he was a doctor. Is that a hospital? Yes. It was like,

Andrew Hiller (21:49):

John shins also says he’s a doctor sometimes.

Sevan Matossian (21:50):

So it’s not even a real hospital. It’s like one of those places, that’s just like, you know where you drive, pull off to the side road. It’s like a, just a bunch of, it’s like a offshoot of a hospital. Maybe it porns

Andrew Hiller (21:59):

The it’s like the McDonald’s of prostate checks. It’s like a drive through.

Sevan Matossian (22:03):

And then after he’s done putting his fingers in my ass, he sends me a note saying that he didn’t there’s something in there. He felt that he thinks he needs another dude’s opinion on. And so I had to go to another dude and he stuck his finger in my ass.

Andrew Hiller (22:16):

I’m assuming this is another doctor.

Sevan Matossian (22:19):

And I don’t know why or

Andrew Hiller (22:20):

They’re or they’re just like, this is great. You gotta try this guy out.

Sevan Matossian (22:24):

And they told me that whatever they felt wasn’t round perfectly round, but it was fine. It was normal.

Andrew Hiller (22:30):

It’s irregular, which is entirely justifiable from what I assume you were going there

Sevan Matossian (22:35):

For. Oh, so I can’t, so I can’t. So then now I, I just, when I, when I was gonna, when I saw Ricky was taking those PSMs I looked up, um, the side effects. No, no. As I was checking out to buy them, the side effects said it could fuck with your prostate. And that’s that thing, that those two random dudes I told you about when they had their finger in my ass were touching

Andrew Hiller (22:53):

Your prostate.

Sevan Matossian (22:54):

Yeah. And they were random dudes. I wasn’t like, I didn’t like see a lineup of people and was like, uh, you with the small hands, <laugh> you with the big ti, like I didn’t even get to choose. I just walk in. And there’s a dude,

Andrew Hiller (23:05):

Small hand and nice smile. What, you know, what’s interesting is the websites that you could possibly be looking into, there are a handful which will tell you that it’s beneficiary for your prostate as well.

Sevan Matossian (23:15):

No shit

Andrew Hiller (23:16):

Like there’s. If you were to overdo the exogenous testosterone, there’s a whole bunch of deleterious effects to your, towards your prostate. But if you were to take the red one 40, it’s supposed to offset those. And there’s studies going both ways.

Sevan Matossian (23:27):

Yeah. Go back to that site again.

Andrew Hiller (23:29):

<laugh> I’m not saying that either. Oh, just gotta make that, making that clear load. The just saying that, uh, no one knows what the fuck is going on with the SARMs so, okay. But there is one that will give you the myostatin inhibitance <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (23:42):

Uh, let let’s just watch your squat to the bottom since we’re here. Just purely, uh, pleasure. Let’s let’s indulge in this

Andrew Hiller (23:49):

God. That is awesome. That’s so cool. What is that? 500 pounds

Sevan Matossian (23:58):

<laugh> yes. Yes, Greg.

Andrew Hiller (24:00):

Uh, it looks like 2 55,

Sevan Matossian (24:02):

Man. She’s a special human being. I have so many nice things to say about her, but I don’t

Andrew Hiller (24:07):

Wanna say I’m two 60.

Sevan Matossian (24:12):

Would you rather, would you rather touch her stuff or liver king stuff?

Andrew Hiller (24:19):

Are you talking about legs?

Sevan Matossian (24:20):

Yeah. Like, like from like from her weight belt down, would you rather like run like Mark Bell touched, uh, liver King’s abs? Or would you rather like run your hands on, on that?

Andrew Hiller (24:31):

No king liver King’s abs <laugh> exactly the way that you describe it too. I liver King’s abs.

Sevan Matossian (24:40):

Yeah. It, it, that is just remark.

Andrew Hiller (24:42):

I’ve never, I’ve never felt ebbs like that. They just look, they look harder than any ebbs I’ve ever seen. Like I touch mine. Yeah. They’re kind of pudgy kind of soft. I’ve always been like, I’m sure you’ve had a little bit of Sevan. You look at bodies, you love bodies. You’re like, God, wouldn’t it be cool if I had that on me and then you work towards that. It’s like that male.

Sevan Matossian (25:00):

I stop it just damn. I wish I had that.

Andrew Hiller (25:03):

<laugh> that’s as far as it

Sevan Matossian (25:04):

Goes, Hey dude, I seriously have a, I my thought if I ever want to get in better shape my thought, my first go-to thought is star yourself. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (25:14):

That’s a stop eating unhealthy pattern.

Sevan Matossian (25:15):

No, it’s not a healthy pattern. I’d like to have Vicky’s legs. I’ll just stop eating for a month. That would be

Andrew Hiller (25:21):

Nice. That’ll build up the muscle required to make it look like that.

Sevan Matossian (25:24):

Yeah. I, I I’m I’m I’m a broken man. I’m a broken man. <laugh> okay. So, okay. So we, so we’ve explored it. You, you, your feelings about the liver king are like, good, good on you, but I not buying it.

Andrew Hiller (25:39):

He’s got one to 2 million followers on Instagram, TikTok, and he is living his best life. He’s super, I don’t know. He’s not doing anything harmful other than telling people to buy liver. If anything is supporting your local butcher. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (25:55):


Andrew Hiller (25:55):

And it’s true. And which rate there’s I, there there’s totally in the spectrum of people doing wrong. He’s not up there with the worst of them.

Sevan Matossian (26:04):

Right? Good job. On the assault bike this morning. Those were good numbers.

Andrew Hiller (26:07):


Sevan Matossian (26:08):


Andrew Hiller (26:09):

My favorite workouts,

Sevan Matossian (26:10):

Someone came to my house, uh, yesterday, a friend of mine and said, Hey, I wanna see you row at 2000.

Andrew Hiller (26:16):

Wait, that was on the show yesterday. Somebody told you to do that.

Sevan Matossian (26:19):

Yeah. And then someone, another friend of mine came to my house and was like, Hey, I want you to row at 2000.

Andrew Hiller (26:24):


Sevan Matossian (26:25):

You I’m like I haven’t row a 2000. Since my, since I’ve been in my thirties, I’m 50 now.

Andrew Hiller (26:30):


Sevan Matossian (26:31):


Andrew Hiller (26:32):

How’d you do? I,

Sevan Matossian (26:33):

I, he got me to do it so first I was like, there’s no fucking way. My eyes were burning. I had just come home from Miranda’s fitness Fest street, parkings fitness festival, which was fucking crazy. So did

Andrew Hiller (26:44):

You work

Sevan Matossian (26:44):

Out? No, I didn’t. I just stood there and, and was like, this thing is huge. And

Andrew Hiller (26:49):

The people there were there, the ranch

Sevan Matossian (26:50):

People were cool. Shit. You know, who came to my house last night to watch the UFC fights.

Andrew Hiller (26:53):

Greg Lastman

Sevan Matossian (26:54):

No Kristin clever and her girlfriend.

Andrew Hiller (26:56):

Oh, that’s cool. Oh, cool.

Sevan Matossian (26:58):

Oh, so cool.

Andrew Hiller (26:59):

On a scale from zero to Greg Asman, it’s like an eight

Sevan Matossian (27:02):

<laugh> dude. Kristin’s body looks fucking nicer than it did than when she competed her. Body’s crazy. She was wearing a, uh, a tank top. She was all fucking, and she looked like she may have gotten taller.

Andrew Hiller (27:15):

Mm-hmm when’s the last year she competed like 13.

Sevan Matossian (27:17):

I think so. Yeah. So she, she, she was

Andrew Hiller (27:20):

Cross phone to her belt. Makes sense.

Sevan Matossian (27:22):

Say that again?

Andrew Hiller (27:23):

She’s had an extra decade at CrossFit to her belt. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (27:27):

And, uh, and she was all tan and shit. And she told me that in 2013, like the day before the game, the games briefing, the Sunday, the games briefing was on Monday. That Sunday she was playing basketball and she hurt herself.

Andrew Hiller (27:40):

Oh fuck.

Sevan Matossian (27:40):

Yeah. And she says it was so fucking stupid. She said she shouldn’t have done that. She shouldn’t have been playing basketball. She said she was just too cavalier about it.

Andrew Hiller (27:48):

Yeah. Outside sports are dangerous as shit.

Sevan Matossian (27:52):

Okay. Well, uh, uh, okay, so, so liver king, um, you, that’s

Andrew Hiller (27:55):

Why you should regularly do them, not randomly do them.

Sevan Matossian (27:58):

Hiller. Hiller likes how rich liver king is and likes that he’s living a happy, fulfilled life, but, uh, or not, but, and he, um, knows not only thinks he’s doing steroids knows which ones he is doing.

Andrew Hiller (28:13):

Hmm. I want, I don’t think that I said that precisely, but I wouldn’t be surprised.

Sevan Matossian (28:18):

Right. Okay. Wouldn’t be surprised

Andrew Hiller (28:19):

If again, like you said, gun to my head, obviously come on, move me alone. Get that gun outta here.

Sevan Matossian (28:25):

But if you don’t put a gun to my head, I say he is definitely not on him. There’s no fucking way.

Andrew Hiller (28:29):

I just don’t understand the difference. Why? Cause you like him so much that you wanna believe.

Sevan Matossian (28:35):

Yeah. I guess

Andrew Hiller (28:36):

Is Santa Claus is real Seon. You told you told me. No, no, no,

Sevan Matossian (28:40):

No, no kids. He’s not real.

Mattew Souza (28:42):

I wonder if it’s part of his stick, like the whole, you know, facade around the, his liver king and the steroids. Like if he just came out and was like, yeah, I took him a while back and I stopped everybody be like, oh, and they would kind of like go find the next thing to, to

Andrew Hiller (28:55):

Yell about that. That’s the thing. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (28:57):

Well, we live with, I, I remember being a little kid and finding out that they announced that like Millie veil there, there was a, it was a, it was a singing group, Hiller in Susan. I dunno if you guys remember them. And I was a little kid and, and they, they, so they came out that they weren’t really singing that they were lip singing and it was someone else singing and everyone just stopped listening to ’em and they pulled them off the radio. And I remember thinking, holy fuck. I live with idiots. <laugh> why, why would you care? Who’s singing it. If you like this song, it’s like, let’s say, someone’s just sucking your cock. So fucking good. And then, and it’s going on for 10 years. And then you find out it’s a dude

Andrew Hiller (29:34):

You’re telling me that you could last 10 years. And it was that good.

Sevan Matossian (29:38):

I I’m, well, you know what I mean? It’s multiple times. Great question. Great, great, great distinction. Like 6,000 blow jobs. And, and then you find out to do, and then instead of, instead of like coming to terms with, Hmm, I guess I really like a fucking blow job from dudes. You fucking, all of a sudden hate the blow job. It’s fucking bad shit. Crazy to me. Millie Vanni, who gives a fuck, who sung it? You dance to it at your eighth.

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