#474 – Steven Mowry

Sevan Matossian (00:00):


Mattew Souza (00:02):

Yesterday. I did. Yeah, but not morning. Oh

Sevan Matossian (00:04):

Yeah. Okay. Bam. We’re live. I kind of wanted to, I wanted to run this by Steve to get a third opinion. I guess I have you for a, a second opinion. This is the CrossFit documentary that just came out. I don’t, uh, know if it is good. Um, and that’s not the point of what I’m about to share with you guys when I was uhoh are we live on YouTube? We

Mattew Souza (00:33):

Should be because there’s comments that already came in.

Sevan Matossian (00:36):

All right. Fine.

Mattew Souza (00:37):

Stand by

Sevan Matossian (00:37):

Grounding. It’s what’s for breakfast. Ah, happy, happy Saturday. Kenneth Y Kenneth that’s.

Mattew Souza (00:43):

We we’re live. Yep.

Sevan Matossian (00:47):

When, when, when, when I was, uh, running the media department over at CrossFit, Inc, we made these documentaries and they were CrossFit games, documentaries, and it was basically what they’re doing now. Every year that we would put out a documentary that would cover the games or almost every year and some years, there were some variations on it. We did one, one year. That was just strictly about rich phoning. That is man on earth. And the very first one was the one that, uh, Carrie Peterson and I did, um, on the $17,000 budget, every second counts. And when we would sell the movie on iTunes, we would sell it for a certain price. Oh, there’s tall, Steve. Great. I, here

Steve Mowry (01:21):

We go.

Sevan Matossian (01:22):

Steve’s opinion too. BA am. What’s up, dude?

Steve Mowry (01:25):

How we doing? How we doing? Good. Be good.

Sevan Matossian (01:26):

How are you? Cool head. Good morning. Are those, are you, were you just done wrestling? Is that, are, are those headphones?

Steve Mowry (01:32):

Those are headphones. I am my ear. My ears are fucked. I haven’t like I gave up on that a time.

Sevan Matossian (01:40):

Yeah, me too. I love

Steve Mowry (01:47):

IOR of head.

Mattew Souza (01:53):

A head caught sewer. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (01:58):

It? My, my, my, I, I, I will say this I’m lopsided in my expertise though. Extremely lopsided in my expertise.

Steve Mowry (02:05):

I’m not, I’m not great at giving it.

Sevan Matossian (02:06):

Yeah. Yeah. Very, very, very, very, very limited experience.

Steve Mowry (02:10):

Very inexperienced.

Mattew Souza (02:14):

It’s a one way street.

Steve Mowry (02:15):

That’s right.

Sevan Matossian (02:16):

I hate, I hate it. I hate it. When I even picture myself giving it hate that

Steve Mowry (02:22):

The mental image alone,

Sevan Matossian (02:24):

Uh, Steve is my Instagram friend. We did a podcast back in February, th February 13th, 2022, which is five months ago when his baby was seven months old. So that means his baby’s a year old.

Steve Mowry (02:39):

She’s just about, yeah, she’ll be, um, on July 15th, one year old.

Sevan Matossian (02:44):

Dang. Happy birthday to mama.

Steve Mowry (02:47):

Yeah. Happy birthday. Little baby girl.

Sevan Matossian (02:49):

A year

Steve Mowry (02:50):

Ago. The day, the day after me.

Sevan Matossian (02:52):

Oh, no shit. Oh,

Steve Mowry (02:53):

Wow. Yep. Nope.

Mattew Souza (02:54):

That’s cool.

Sevan Matossian (02:55):

Hey Steve, I, I wanna sh just use, use you for a minute. Actually. I’m gonna use you for an hour, but, uh, this is like extreme using. Um, so I was just saying about how I used to produce these documentaries for this company called CrossFit. And we would put them out every year and we would do a pre pre-order like they do on iTunes. And we would, pre-sell the documentary at, at 1499. And the company that put out the documentary every fucking year would approach me and say, Hey, it’s five days before it comes out. We want to do a flash sale and lower it to 9 99. And I’d be like, that’s completely fucking unethical. What do you mean? I’m like, we’ve sold it for 1499. We haven’t given anyone the product yet. And then five days before it comes out, we’re gonna lower the price to 9 99.

Sevan Matossian (03:45):

I could see after it’s been out for three months to lower it to 9 99, but you can’t lower the price just to sell more to your constituents. These aren’t, these are, you’re not walking around selling magazine orders to fucking earn candy. And that’s the fourth grade. You’re a fucking mature adult. Who’s selling something to your constituency, meaning CrossFits sort of a cult, a group, a family you’re selling food to them for 1499. And then five days before it comes out, because you wanna sell more. You lower the price and fuck all the people who pre-ordered it and still haven’t gotten it. I know I’m being a little and biased and I’m trying to just weigh you to my opinion, but do you see what you

Steve Mowry (04:21):

Fan it’s? No, it’s, it’s a little, it’s like a slap in the face to your loyal, the fan base that already got up and bought the, the pre-order.

Sevan Matossian (04:27):

Yes, yes. It’s fucking, and, and I would tell them every year we are not doing that, that I don’t wanna sell an extra hundred movies, an extra thousand movies and give up my integrity, give up my relationship with you.

Steve Mowry (04:41):

Sure. And it’d be one thing, like, it’d be one thing if it were, had been out for like a month and you like, man sales suck, we gotta, we gotta make a big marketing push. And then you did that. But like kinda what

Sevan Matossian (04:51):

You said, you do, you know how long it takes to heal in a relationship when you cheat on a girl? N never.

Steve Mowry (04:57):

We never, yeah. It never, it never comes

Sevan Matossian (04:58):

Back. Unfortunately. I know that’s story. It’s the same. Unfortunately, I’ve been on the dumb shit side of that thing. It never heals. It’s a memory in there.

Steve Mowry (05:08):

Well, it’s not that I would, I don’t mean to split as you please. I think, I think it’ll heal, but it’ll never be the same relationship again.

Sevan Matossian (05:14):

Right, right. She knows who you are. She knows what you’re capable of. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And you better not bring any friends over and get her drunk for the next couple years. Cause she, that shit,

Steve Mowry (05:26):


Sevan Matossian (05:26):

Can’t believe prospect’s doing this, but, but here’s the thing. The people who made the movie, I, I think it’s Mariah made it, uh, super high integrity. Not, not, I I’m, I’m not blaming her for this at all. Not her responsibility. She’s the director, but this just shows that whoever’s in leadership. There don’t give a fuck about integrity or isn’t watching the ball. This is, this is world class douche bag for just pennies. Mm-hmm <affirmative> it’s bad. It’s bad. No one cares. No one over there cares. No one in the leadership cares. I don’t even know who runs their marketing or media department anymore. But you, you are, uh, you’re something else just, you’re just burning people in order to, let’s say you sold a thousand more, so you made $10,000 more and now everyone thinks I don’t even think you sold a thousand more, to be honest.

Steve Mowry (06:16):

<laugh> yeah, that’s a lot. That sounds like a lot.

Sevan Matossian (06:20):


Mattew Souza (06:21):

I think Steve said it best. And he was like, it’s a slap in the face to the people who pre-sale. Cuz those are like, your people

Steve Mowry (06:26):

Like release. We have people that bought it earlier. The ones who were like, yo, I really wanna like show out for my, for my, my family. Exactly. So it’s like your use of the word constituent, uh, is very telling too, you know what I mean? It’s like we usually associate the word constituent to like people that, uh, like usually it’s citizens of an area under the rule of, you know, whatever an authority figure. So last time I heard the word constituent in the current zeitgeist was whenever Ted Cruz dipped on Texas after that big power outage. And I very rarely find myself siding with, um, the leftist voice in terms of, um, politics. But the left was super critical of tech Cruzs and it’s not even because it was like a left versus right issue. You know, politics tends to be a thing where, you know, the left will point out anything that somebody on the right does and vice versa.

Steve Mowry (07:15):

Um, but people were very critical of saying, you know, you left your constituents behind while there was a fucking crisis going on. Mm. And it was, you know, it was a very, very precious point cuz it was like, yeah, Ted Cruz, you did fuck up. Like that was a ridiculous, you fucked your constituents. And like I said, your use of it there is, is very, is very interesting. Cause it’s like the people that bought in whenever there wasn’t even a product to, you know, to look at means that they are, they’re very, like they’re already sold out to the idea of like, I just want to, I just want be a part of this thing before we even know what’s going on. So for you to this

Sevan Matossian (07:50):

Flag, you’re saying it better than me. I should, we should have talked about it before we went on there. I didn’t even think about it. Like yeah. They, they came in a month early and gave you their 14, 9, 9. They’re the ones who love you the most. And now they’re being told, aha, we’re giving it to these other people who we had to twist their arm to buy it for $5 less mm-hmm

Steve Mowry (08:07):

<affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative> there

Sevan Matossian (08:08):

Was a thing it’s like, it’s like rewarding your kid for being bad.

Steve Mowry (08:11):

Right. There’s a thing in, um, in video games and I’m, I’m not by any means a big video game person. But I do like to look at, you know, trends in, in market and sales and maybe whatever. And there was a big thing where like it’s illegal to do in Europe. Like most of Europe they had like these loot box thingies. And the idea is I think that like you can spend, we, everybody spends the same amount of money on a product and yeah. I mean the idea that you could spend X amount of money on a product and not know what you’re getting. So like yeah. I mean kinda like a lottery sort of thing, but everybody pays the same amount. You don’t know what you’re getting and it influences the quality of your game play like is especially, I don’t want to unethical might be a little bit like

Sevan Matossian (08:56):


Steve Mowry (08:56):

Too harsh of too strong or too harsh of a word. But I do think that like, yeah, that’s kind of shitty to do like, Hey, these guys bought in like right at the begin they call it, they have, uh, the free to play or pay to play like these games that are, they, they have these perks and games, you know, that 10 years ago it was like, you know, it’s like if you bought street fighter and you already had review, can your normal cast of characters and then you, you bought, you paid, you know what? 15 extra bucks. Oh, okay, cool. I can be the fucking, the, the teenage beat ninja turtles. It was like, wow, that’s a nice perk. Right. But it slowly evolved into this thing. Or it was like, I gotta pay $15 just to be fucking you or Ken. It’s like, what? Now? The game

Sevan Matossian (09:36):

It’s not

Steve Mowry (09:37):

Even, it’s not even a game. It’d be like 10 years ago. Okay. Well we’re playing neighborhood Dodge ball, but if you pay 10 bucks, you get a Jersey that evolved into like slowly over time. It was like, okay, you pay 10 bucks and now you can use a fucking, you can use a ball. It’s like, no, we need the fucking ball to play, dude. Hey,

Sevan Matossian (09:54):

We can’t. Yeah. You just described the, you could pull that down too. Susan. Thank you. You described the, just the whole slippery slope of, of precedent. It’s why it’s so many, it’s the thing that people don’t understand. When I went to college, I thought affirmative action was the coolest thing ever because they called it affirmative action. It wasn’t like, Hey, let’s lower the bar and let in some people who aren’t white and, and, and now it’s, and now it’s just full, turned into full blown racism.

Steve Mowry (10:19):

That’s that’s the thing I really

Sevan Matossian (10:21):

It’s weird. It’s weird out of, out of, out of the desire to do something nice.

Steve Mowry (10:25):

It’s, it’s interesting that like I had a feeling this was all gonna come up anyway, but I,

Sevan Matossian (10:29):

I didn’t mean too. Sorry. I wanted to talk to you about, about being six feet tall, six foot eight again, but fuck.

Steve Mowry (10:34):

No, I talked about that enough. Come

Sevan Matossian (10:35):

On. All right. Alright. Alright.

Steve Mowry (10:36):

Come on on. Yeah, we’re here to, we’re gonna talk about the real shit. No. So was gonna say it. I had a feeling this is gonna come up anyway, just because it’s so it’s so you know, hot right now is yeah, yeah. Like the abortion thing, right? Yeah. Um, that’s the thing, the, the interesting thing about like laws and morals and ethical codes is like, um, where like, just because you’ve made a law about something or a rule or whatever doesn’t necessarily mean, it reflects like the morally right or wrong thing to do about it. It’s just that like, you’ve outsourced how much somebody can do of it to the, to the government, which is, you know,

Sevan Matossian (11:12):

Oh, wow. That’s to have

Steve Mowry (11:14):

Good definition that to have the best, doesn’t have the best track record for being moral or ethical or doing the right thing. So, and we, we could, that could be like, it’s own two hour podcast, but the point is like, um, the spike Cohen, who’s pretty like probably one of the more loud voices in the libertarian circles. He ran for the vice

Sevan Matossian (11:33):

President. What’s his name? What’s his name?

Steve Mowry (11:35):

Spike. Cohen.

Sevan Matossian (11:36):

Okay. Is he cool? Is he normal? Unfortunately, most of the fucking libertarian guys at the top, or just like sit around and smoke weed all day and have crazy hair and like don’t work out and I’m like, what? The F they, they look like they’re 70 when they’re only 52. I’m like, what the fuck

Steve Mowry (11:50):

Is going on? If I had to identify politically, I would probably the same libertarian. And that’s the thing is like, it does have this.

Sevan Matossian (11:56):

Oh, he looks good. Okay. Sorry.

Steve Mowry (11:58):

He’s he just turned 40 too. So yeah, he looks

Sevan Matossian (12:00):

Beautiful. Okay.

Steve Mowry (12:01):

He, um, that’s the thing is like, it does have this weird, like try hardd, you know, whatever edge, Lord manner about it. But that’s the thing is like, I really do feel like a lot of the, the principles and the things that go along with it are, you know, kind of how I identify. But anyway, he, he went a podcast the other day and pretty succinctly wrapped up how I feel about abortion just in that, um, whether you agree or disagree with somebody’s right. To get an abortion,

Sevan Matossian (12:29):

The terminate, a pregnancy, right.

Steve Mowry (12:30):

The second you, you, that’s the thing. When it, whether you think it’s right or wrong, one, it has nothing to do with whether or not you perform it. And two, the second you hand it over to the government to decide is whenever, you know, you start getting fucked up. Right. So it’s like, okay, cool. Like, um, it’s illegal to get an abortion. Okay. Well, what if they get sick? Okay. Well now you have to go to the doctor for this. Now you have to make sure like, then, then what does that turn into? Are you properly taking care of this

Sevan Matossian (13:00):

In your, but oh yeah. You’ve given away power. Yes. Right. And then authority. Yes.

Steve Mowry (13:03):

It’ll turn into a thing where like, without stealing every word that you said, it’ll turn into a thing where it’s like 20 years from now, it’s, you know, they’re using the Handmaid’s tale thing. And I, I think that’s kind of like a, the, especially people that are, you know, pro-choice

Sevan Matossian (13:16):

Did you watch that series?

Steve Mowry (13:18):

No, I saw the first episode and it was really my, my fiance fucking loves it.

Sevan Matossian (13:22):

My wife started watching it. I walked by the TV. I’m like, no, thank you. That’s fucking poison for the brain. Fuck. That’s

Steve Mowry (13:28):

It? I think, I do think that like some of the themes and like the, the fuck, the patriarchy thing, it’s like, okay, we’re being a little bit too heavy handed and a little bit too broad with our, our tap. But that said the handmaids tale thing, it’s like, I really do feel like the spirit of it is gonna be ENCA. It’ll turn to a thing where like 10, 15, 20 years from now, it’ll be a thing where it’s like, it’s just like, you know, uh, if you told somebody 20 years ago or not 20, more than that, probably like 80 years ago, Hey, you’re gonna need a permit to collect rain water. They’d be like, what the fuck are you taught? Collect rain, water. Yeah. And now it’s a thing where it’s, it’ll be the same thing with pregnancy, if we’re not careful. So it’s whether or not you agree with abortion, if you hand it over to the government to decide when it is, and isn’t the right time, it’ll, it’ll become something that like, okay, nobody, nobody properly identifies with like the, the rules and restrictions on it. It’s just,

Sevan Matossian (14:22):

Oh, wow.

Steve Mowry (14:24):

Interesting. Does that make sense? The same with yes. Yeah. And it’s the same with everything in government and this isn’t, this isn’t me being, you know, this isn’t me with an agenda. This is just me saying like, okay, well, all the things that I’ve observed in my, in my life to this point, it kind of brought me to the, yeah, damn. What, what, what the fuck are we really doing here?

Sevan Matossian (14:40):

That’s, that’s called clear thinking what you’re doing by the way, going back to spike Cohen. I do. I judge a man by his skin, not his skin color, but by his skin. And he had very nice skin. He

Steve Mowry (14:53):

Had great

Sevan Matossian (14:53):

Skin. Yeah. Yeah. And I judge you by your skin. You have a, um, a mark on your face. You look like. Yeah. <laugh> yeah. Mark cider. For those of you who don’t know, um, Steve is a Bellator, uh, employee. Is that fair? You, you have a contract with

Steve Mowry (15:09):

Bellator. No, it’s not fair to say employed, but I’m a, I guess a contractor.

Sevan Matossian (15:14):

He’s a contractor. He’s like Bellator. Yeah. He doesn’t work in catering. Um, he doesn’t set up the ring. He he’s, he’s more of a dancer inside the ring. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, he’s a, he’s a, he’s a

Steve Mowry (15:24):

Performer inside of the ring for

Sevan Matossian (15:26):

Yes. Yes. He doesn’t performance, uh, uh, improv. You’re an improv artist. I,

Steve Mowry (15:32):

I do. I, I make, I make magic happen a couple times a year in Sunday.

Sevan Matossian (15:36):

And why only a couple. I know it’s crazy, dude. You are a seasoned veteran, seven, seven, um, dances where that you won as an amateur, then 10 is a pro. And, and so that’s two fights a year and I, is that, is that enough? Um, don’t and by the way, I haven’t been in 10 fights in my life. So like, <laugh>, I’m you gotta reach through the camera and slap me around a little bit. I’m good.

Steve Mowry (16:01):

Well, to give it some, to give it some shape when I was an amateur, what you see on like, especially my MMA record, doesn’t reflect my actual competition record. So I competed, I did the math one time from the time that I, that I graduated high school to the time that I had my last amateur fight. I competed on average between MMA boxing, jujitsu, and whatever I could get in between. I competed on average every three months. So it’d be jujitsu tournament, and then I’d be getting ready for something two months later. And then, and then a month after that I would do this. And then a couple times that actually planned, like I had an MMA fight coming up like 10 days away. But that Wednesday, the week before, um,

Sevan Matossian (16:46):

Not exactly Heidi close. We’ll give you two more guesses. He’s not a ring girl.

Steve Mowry (16:50):

The only thing wrong there is that I’m not a girl

Sevan Matossian (16:52):

<laugh>, <laugh>

Steve Mowry (16:54):

The worst, the worst, but you know, I mean, the rules are always changing. Right. But anyway, um, the Wednesday, not the Wednesday fight week the Wednesday before, so 10 days out, um, I got offered a box team match for that weekend. And I was like, yeah, sure. Why not? And it was like one of those things where I was just trying to get in as much competition as I could try to, you know, bond up, get better. And then, uh, like I said, the, the next week was supposed to be an MMA match, but it ended up falling out. But my point is I, I did it all the time. And then whenever I went pro just for, you know, whatever this reason or that sometimes it was injury. Sometimes it was, uh, sometimes I didn’t always agree with the direction the promotion that I was with was trying to take me sometimes it was my management. Sometimes my old management, sometimes it was, you know, just different things going on in my life, you know, how that goes. So, but it led me to two times a on average, two times a year for the last, whatever, five

Sevan Matossian (17:46):

Years. Okay. And, and that’s, and, and I, the example I can come up with right away is that, um, it it’s been since, uh, December of 2021, since you, um, performed at, be your dance for Bellator, but we did see you in a jujitsu tournament and that’s how you popped on my radar. Uh, you fought, uh, Nick rod, Nick. Yep. Okay. And then now you have another, um, performance on August 12th.

Steve Mowry (18:15):

Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Sevan Matossian (18:16):

And, and, uh, it’s get some Russian dude.

Steve Mowry (18:20):

Yeah. His name is Bosky he, so this guy, fat Emiliano, he is, uh, like one of the recognized, one of the best heavyweight of all time in MMA, Valenti. Maki’s like one of his, uh, kinda like his students, one of his

Sevan Matossian (18:35):


Steve Mowry (18:36):

Yeah. Kinda. So, uh,

Sevan Matossian (18:38):

If anyone doesn’t know who feed door is go to YouTube and type in feed door and watch some of the documentaries on him. They are incredible.

Steve Mowry (18:45):

He’s a bad dude, man. Yeah. Whenever I got into fighting, he was still like at the, the peak of his powers, you know, he was still like competing really well at a really high level.

Sevan Matossian (18:56):

Hey, are, are, are you, are you ready to take the, um, are, are you ready to fight anyone at, at Bellator at, um, absolutely. Yeah. Anyone?

Steve Mowry (19:05):

Absolutely. But I’m especially ready to fight Valenti Modoki right now.

Sevan Matossian (19:08):

Right. Uh, I, I was listening to max Holloway, so I read this book, um, that, um, Matt SU told me to read, uh, that pat Patrick bed David wrote, and it was basically like, Hey, you kind of have to see yourself five years ahead of where you are. And I was like, oh yeah, I see that. And then I’m reading this book now by which I highly recommend. I recommend the Patrick bad David book too. Um, there’s this book by Bob Rotella championship mindset, and I’m actually listening to it. This moves great. Your next five moves. And then, and then championship mindset by Bob Rotella. And he’s basically saying that like your goal should always be basically to be the best. And then I heard max Holloway today or a few days ago, and I’ve always heard him say this, that he sees himself as the champion, even when he was oh, and one, even when he was three and three or whatever his record was.

Steve Mowry (20:01):


Sevan Matossian (20:02):

And I don’t think there’s anyone who’s gonna argue that he’s not like at the fucking pinnacle of his game. Right.

Steve Mowry (20:07):

Absolutely. And he’s, he’s another guy that’s gonna go down as like one of the best ever do it. Not just at his weight class, but like, you know, in general,

Sevan Matossian (20:15):

Do you feel when that happens to, to, to you? Like, I’m, I feel like I’m, I’ve slipped into that. I feel like I climbed up a mountain and now I’m waiting for other people to show up and they show up one at a time. Do you feel that way too? Like in your, in your, um, in your discipline, like, oh, I’m here now. It’s just a matter of just like, what’s the sports thing I put in the work now it’s game day. I’m just here to cash the check, but kind of even further, like your whole you’re like already somewhere.

Steve Mowry (20:43):

Yeah. Sort of. But, well, that’s the thing is,

Sevan Matossian (20:48):

Oh, how champions think. Sorry. Okay. Thank you, Susan. How champions think

Steve Mowry (20:52):


Sevan Matossian (20:52):

Think, yeah. I’ll text it to you too. I’ll text it to you. I’ll text please, too. Yeah. I’ll text you. It’s a great listen. Um, LeBron’s three point coach. Go ahead.

Steve Mowry (21:00):

I’ve gotten into, I’ve gotten real big in audio book. So last my, my sister got me an audible subscription from, for what? And I probably read like this, this year alone. I probably read like 15 books on audible it’s night. My commute to the gym is half hour, both ways. So like perfect. So, and I go twice a day. So you have to think that’s two hours a day. I’d otherwise just be sitting in the car.

Sevan Matossian (21:20):

What speed do you listen at

Steve Mowry (21:22):

1.1 or 1.2? Usually.

Sevan Matossian (21:25):

Yeah. I’ve been listening to one. I just switched to one in a quarter.

Steve Mowry (21:28):

Yeah, one. So that’s, I depends on the book too. So I listen to pet cemetery at, uh, one, one in a quarter because just the pace of the story and like the narrat, it felt it was more engaging of a listen, but I’m listening to this book now by Graham Hancock called, um, supernatural, the ancient teachers of mankind. And I tried to listen to it at 1.1 and I had to slow it down to 1.0.

Sevan Matossian (21:53):

Cause I was cause your brain has to process the shit.

Steve Mowry (21:55):

There’s just so much going on. I’m like, wait, what the fuck? And he say something and I’d be like, and it’s, he’s an anthropologist and an, an archeologist. So it’s like even sometimes just to hear the word and, and put it together. I’m like, whoa. Okay. That means this

Sevan Matossian (22:10):

<laugh>. Yeah. If I have to rewind like five times, I’m like, all right, Jeff guess slow down now. Now you’re losing time. Yep. Oh yeah. Okay. Sorry. So are, are at 10 and oh, are, are, are you starting? Have you picked into this? Wow. I’m I’m like, like almost, I guess in the cheekiest way to say it, your self belief is like sky starts to skyrocket.

Steve Mowry (22:30):

I that’s the thing like it’s, I don’t know. It, it’s more a thing where it’s like, I’m really, really grateful and really humbled that like, I can be at a point now where I’m like, wow, like, this is exactly where I saw myself five years ago, but that said, it’s like, I, I think I keep feeling like I’m chasing this, I’m chasing this. Like, okay. But like, what can the next evolution of this be if I stay on this course kind of thing. And I don’t, I don’t know, like my, my wrestling coach especially always tells me you never arrive. You never arrive. And I, I think it’s not just a thing where it’s like, you never arrive. Like you never reach an aha moment, but it’s also a thing where it’s like, you never get to a point in your life where you’re like, you know what, I’ve finally done enough, that’s it. Or, and I think if you do reach that, if you do reach that point, it’s time to pack it up and get the fuck out. <laugh> call it a day. But you call, you know, like if you walk into a cage and you think, you know what I’ve done enough, everything’s okay. I think that’s when it’s time to, if you, you,

Sevan Matossian (23:33):

I have this guy, Gary, uh, Chave on, he’s on, he’s in Armenian who just made it to the G league in the NBA. And he said, he’s gonna work as hard as he can until God stops him. And that kind of made me think of wind, wind. Just it there’s no end until it’s done it. Just Peters out. So <laugh> well, okay. Let me, let me propose it like this. Steve, what about, I heard Izzy, uh, Israel, a Sonya say a couple days ago that he performs his best when he is showing off and he just wants to go in there and show off. And I thought, okay, I can kind of, I, I feel that, you know, like if I feel that

Steve Mowry (24:12):

That’s beautiful,

Sevan Matossian (24:13):

<laugh> it is right.

Steve Mowry (24:14):

That’s a really interesting way of putting it. Um, I would say for me, um, I feel like I do my best whenever I’m the best way to put it. Think to put it is when I’m overflowing, when I’ve like done so much and prepared so hard and been so focused for such a long time that like, whenever I get into the cage, it’s just finally ready to get out and not like, you know, like a caged animal sense. It’s, I’m finally ready to just express it, you know? Yeah. I look forward, you know, I was really looking forward to, you know, not to, not to butter you guys up. I was really looking forward to doing this podcast again. And I was like, you know, sitting on my couch, drinking coffee, like I can’t wait to hop on there and have a good conversation. You know, then whenever I finally, I got here, I was able to just let it all out. It’s the same thing.

Steve Mowry (24:58):

Yeah. And, and conversely, my, I feel like my performances that I’m not as proud of are generally if I think about them, the more I think about them, the more I’m like, man, like I didn’t, I didn’t, I could have done this more. I could have done more. I could have given more, not that I didn’t work hard enough, but like in the, in the fight it’s like, man, I should have just trusted myself to, you know, the best conversations are the ones where you feel like you’ve properly expressed yourself and you felt understood, you know? And it’s like in the case, I feel like I’ve properly given everything that I’d had that I’d worked on in, in preparation.

Sevan Matossian (25:30):

Uh, J just in a small example of that, um, when I used to come, I, I take, I make all these notes before shows and not most of the time, I don’t even use half of them, but one day I realized, and, and a lot of times I’ll, I’ll, I’ll feed off of people’s Instagram accounts and I’ll have all the links, like in my notes. And then finally I’m like, Hey, show up to the fucking podcast, five minutes early before they come on and just open all the fucking windows first. Mm. You know what I mean? And that was kind of the next level in my preparation. Right. And then you’re right. Then I’m even more excited to perform because I’m even more prepared Uhhuh. I’m like, okay. I can say, I can just click. I don’t gotta like, be looking at you and digging through finding the fucking clip.

Steve Mowry (26:09):

Well, I think too, like, here’s an interesting way of thinking about it. Like now that we’ve, now that we’ve touched on that. So like there’s a different amount of pleasure that could be found in one being prepared to like properly execute something and have it going exactly how you would imagine. Like, um, I think if I, if I were gonna credit, like my favorite fight, it happened like a couple years ago it happened. It it’s my favorite fight because it happened exactly how I’d imagined it was gonna, I was like, I’m gonna go in there, I’m gonna do this. And this is what’s gonna happen. And it, you know, for the most part, it like 90% of the way it did. So, and it felt good because it was just like, it was like, I lit a match, hit a stick of dynamite and, and then it blew up and it, it just felt beautiful to execute, you know?

Steve Mowry (26:53):

And it just like in a conversation, you know, like, this is what we’re gonna talk about. This is what I’m gonna say. This is what we’re gonna learn. And this is how it’s gonna, we’re gonna end on that warm, fuzzy feeling of like, we both, we exchanged, you know, ideas, but that said, there’s also something special about like, yeah, I didn’t think that was gonna happen at all. I just went in there ready to ready to, to do my thing. And we had a great time. Sometimes you bump into somebody who, I couldn’t say how many times, especially in the sport, I’ve been very blessed to like bump into somebody who I wasn’t expecting a, you know, an intelligent back and forth with, but you know, next thing you know, you’re like, holy fuck. We’ve been talking for an hour and a half. Like, and that, those are, there’s something special to be said about that too. You know what I

Sevan Matossian (27:30):

Mean? Right. Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, so, so you mean like, you’ll go into a ring, you’ll go into a ring and you’ll be like, let’s say, I don’t, I don’t know. I don’t know how you guys train, but you’ll be like, you’ve been really working on your hands a lot and you, but you end up going, ends up going to the ground and you win the fight in a submission and you’re happy and it went totally different, but you never, but you have three pages of notes. Right? Fuck. I never talked to him about fucking his Valentine’s day party. And his barn is fun is like,

Steve Mowry (27:58):


Sevan Matossian (27:59):

I, but I’m happy

Steve Mowry (28:00):

Months. And I wanted to talk about his, his wife, but we ended up talking about his grandma and it was no cool.

Sevan Matossian (28:06):

Yeah. Yeah. Going back to, um, uh, Steve Cohen, there was something you said that I feel like a lot of people don’t understand or can’t get their head wrapped around. I wish I could say it the way you said it, but it’s basically being forced to think a certain way. So, um, so, so like they talk about when I think of, um, people will say to me, Hey, they talk about abortion in terms of women’s rights. Yeah. And, and I don’t think of it in terms of women’s rights, I think in terms of human rights. And I don’t, I like, I think, I think other people should have autonomy over their own body because, and, and, and for one of the reasons that you explain because of that libertarian mindset, once you give it to them, then they start drawing the rules for you, what you can and can’t do. And what, what hoops you have to jump through and what triggers the need for an abortion here or there. And we just don’t want to give, giving them that power. Even if I think killing a fetus is wrong or killing a zygote is wrong. This, this is more important. Right. And I have to make that decision. Mm.

Sevan Matossian (29:09):

But, but on the other hand, all the argument is around defending, putting fetuses down, killing XOs, killing babies. And I don’t wanna de, even though I’m with that team, I don’t wanna defend that.

Steve Mowry (29:22):


Sevan Matossian (29:22):

I don’t want to ever be like, I don’t wanna die. And I don’t believe in God, but I don’t want, let’s say there is one I don’t wanna die and be like, dude, you were saying over here that you should kill a baby. If it’s gonna be born into a poor household, I’m like, sure. <laugh> no, I just never said that.

Steve Mowry (29:35):


Sevan Matossian (29:36):

Like, I don’t wanna say that shit.

Steve Mowry (29:38):

I do. I do believe in God. And I do think you have to give it, you, I do believe I someday I’m gonna have to give an account for like yeah. Everything. And I, yeah. I don’t know how, what that looks like or how it’ll play out. But in my head, it’s you sitting down at a coffee table with God and him being like, right. So, you know, here we go. We, we gotta guy a gas station. You need to take a gas. You bought it. No problem.

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