#471 – Jeremy Kinnick

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Live in the dream in someone else’s nightmare, bam, or like

Jeremy Kinnick (00:03):


Sevan Matossian (00:05):

Are you in California?

Jeremy Kinnick (00:07):

Yeah, I am Southern California.

Sevan Matossian (00:09):

Oh, what, what city?

Jeremy Kinnick (00:11):

Um, in the city of font, Montana.

Sevan Matossian (00:12):

Montana. Where? I mean, I know the name. Where is it’s?

Jeremy Kinnick (00:16):

Um, it’s like near ranch, Cucamonga, Ontario. It’s like a little bit north, up to 15. A little bit more.

Sevan Matossian (00:23):

Okay. All right. Oh, look at you. Look at you. You’re either huge or that’s a tiny cup.

Jeremy Kinnick (00:28):

I’m really big.

Sevan Matossian (00:29):

I’m either small or this is a giant cup.

Jeremy Kinnick (00:36):

So how you doing, man,

Sevan Matossian (00:37):

Dude? I was so happy to find your Instagram account.

Jeremy Kinnick (00:41):

<laugh> yeah,

Sevan Matossian (00:44):

It’s got, yeah, man. It’s got, it’s got like almost, uh, I mean, uh, what is the Instagram account I’m gonna, I’m gonna change your name for the Instagram account so anyone can check it out.

Jeremy Kinnick (00:54):

It’s just my name at Jeremy ick. Okay. No dots or anything like that. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (00:59):

Go. Uh, like that.

Jeremy Kinnick (01:02):

Yep. Just like that.

Sevan Matossian (01:04):

So, uh, were you in the 2007 CrossFit games?

Jeremy Kinnick (01:10):

No, I, I started CrossFit, um, just before the games, but I didn’t, we didn’t go up.

Sevan Matossian (01:16):

Okay. Were you in the 2008 games?

Jeremy Kinnick (01:18):

Yeah, I was in the eight. Yep.

Sevan Matossian (01:19):

Yeah. All right. And that’s how our paths, that’s how we first came on each other’s radar.

Jeremy Kinnick (01:24):

Yeah, 2008, 2009. And then, uh, yeah, and like just yeah,

Sevan Matossian (01:31):

Over there. And then, and then I know that, um, uh, I I’ve been to your gym at least a couple times, uh, with Greg when Greg spoke there, there was some event there. I know I’ve been there a couple times. And then your brother started beyond the whiteboard.

Jeremy Kinnick (01:45):

Yeah. So my brother is, was the, was the owner of the gym. I managed it for him, Uhhuh

Sevan Matossian (01:51):


Jeremy Kinnick (01:53):

Cause he was doing other stuff. Um, but yeah, they found it be on the whiteboard and, and I managed the gym, but he’s a, he actually sold it. So I’m not, we’re not doing that anymore.

Sevan Matossian (02:02):

Oh, what are you do? Do you have a day job?

Jeremy Kinnick (02:05):

Well, I, I actually, my wife got hired as a firefighter and so, oh shit. Congratulations. That’s awesome. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. And so when that happened, I started, um, like I left the gym cuz we, she was staying at home and I was working and then we just kind of flip flopped cuz we want, we wanted one of us home right. With the kids cuz we were homeschooling ’em so, so I do that now. I, I stay home with the boys, homeschool, do all their practices, all their, just all the stuff.

Sevan Matossian (02:33):

And, and are you consulting?

Jeremy Kinnick (02:35):

Uh, yeah, I’ll do a little bit on the side. Um, excuse me. Um, I was doing like nutrition coaching for a while. I stopped that. Um, now I’m doing some, uh, like supplements and stuff like that.

Sevan Matossian (02:48):

How, how about, how about home schooling consulting? Are you doing any of that? Do you parent?

Jeremy Kinnick (02:52):

Um, yeah, so, you know, my Instagram is revolves around that. It’s it’s to help, you know, like if people so

Sevan Matossian (02:59):

Good. It’s so good. I cannot tell you how good it is.

Jeremy Kinnick (03:02):

If people wanna do public school. I have no, I don’t have any problem with that. That’s their thing, right? That’s I’m not, I’m not gonna tell people what to do, but if people want to do homeschool, if they are like, they heard all the lies, all the myths, all this crap about it. I want to help them like realize what it actually is. Right. So, um, I’m not trying to convert people to new homeschool. I’m just trying to help people that are interested or that are kind of leaning like, Hey, maybe this public school thing is a little bit crazy. I want to help those people right

Sevan Matossian (03:36):

There, there are you, if you have kids or if you’re thinking about having kids or if you just want to get a, a different perspective on what’s going on with society, you should really check out this Instagram account. Uh, Jeremy is much more, um, even keeled than, than myself. <laugh> there’s things. Uh, it’s, it’s a very, it’s a very, it’s a very safe Instagram account to go to. <laugh> it’s, he’s very thoughtful. It’s a, there’s a lot of resources there and, and basically he’s, he’s laying out some stuff. One of the things, um, he just points out some things that I realized, uh, not necessarily about homeschool, but about life slowly. So, so one of the things is we had our babies at home. Okay. And when we, when we, and we, we, we really wanted to have the babies in the hospital. We felt like it was the safest.

Sevan Matossian (04:27):

It was the best way to go. We wanted to have, you know, a trained medical professionals there it’s the birth. Then we ended up, we ended up going, doing a birthing class and the birthing teacher pulled us aside and said, Hey, after listening to you and your wife talk, you guys wanna do a home birth. I’m like, no, we don’t. She goes, yeah. You’re saying some things that like that. You’re gonna, I think she’s like, I’m not telling you what you have to do. I’m not, I don’t care what you do, but I’m listening to you speak and you’re you definitely want a home birth. So we looked into it and um, and you say the same thing about homeschooling that I realized after we had the babies at home homeschooling is, is not the experiment. Public school is the experiment. Yeah. And after you have a baby at home, you realize that the brave people, aren’t the ones that have the baby at home. The brave ones are the ones that have, um, have it at the hospital. Cause when you have a baby at home, the baby’s just born and it sits in bed with mama and you’re done <laugh> yeah, yeah. There’s no one pricking it there’s no blood test. There’s no one fucked with your baby. You don’t gotta get into a car. You don’t gotta introduce your baby to plastic or off gas. You don’t, you don’t do nothing.

Jeremy Kinnick (05:26):

Yeah. Yeah. That’s

Sevan Matossian (05:27):

The mama just sits. You know what I mean? It’s just like, and you’re like, oh my goodness. I cannot imagine a doctor touching my baby right now. You know what I mean?

Jeremy Kinnick (05:35):

Yeah. It’s just natural.

Sevan Matossian (05:36):

It’s just yeah. Yeah.

Jeremy Kinnick (05:37):


Sevan Matossian (05:38):

And there’s no experiment. It’s not, it’s not trippy. I mean, it’s just, uh, the woman just plops it out in your living room floor and then you just <laugh>. She does whatever she wants.

Jeremy Kinnick (05:48):


Sevan Matossian (05:49):

Starts feeding the baby off the movies.

Jeremy Kinnick (05:51):


Sevan Matossian (05:52):

Yeah. No. And it is illegal to have twins at home in the state of California.

Jeremy Kinnick (05:55):

Oh, I didn’t realize that twins, huh?

Sevan Matossian (05:57):

Yeah. My, my, my, what, what is it? My, my body, my rights. But, but not if you’re not, if you’re a woman and you wanna give birth

Jeremy Kinnick (06:05):

Only if you do what we, what we say <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (06:07):

Yeah. And, and, and another thing is, is if you go over two weeks, you’re not allowed to, uh, past your, uh, gestation. Oh, really? You’re not allowed to give birth at home too.

Jeremy Kinnick (06:15):

No, there’s a lot of rules.

Sevan Matossian (06:17):

Lot of rules around that, that, that baby stuff. Lot of rules.

Jeremy Kinnick (06:21):

Yeah. That’s weird.

Sevan Matossian (06:22):

I grew up thinking as a kid at homeschooling was for all the weirdos, like, um, you had to be like Mormon or Scientologist or Jehovah witness or, uh, um, a CrossFitter you had to have like belonged to some sort, some sort of fucking cult <laugh> uh, you, you had to be Amish. You had to be, uh, I don’t know, some fancy Christian thing where, uh, religion

Jeremy Kinnick (06:48):

It’d be like a shut in. Right? Like you didn’t, you were afraid of the world. So you like hide in your house. Like, that was my idea of homeschool. My actually I had, so

Sevan Matossian (06:56):

You, you started there too. That’s

Jeremy Kinnick (06:57):

What you thought as a yeah, for

Sevan Matossian (06:58):

Sure. Well, and whacked out parents and whacked out kids. Yeah.

Jeremy Kinnick (07:01):

Well, I was like, those kids are weird. I knew some homeschool kids. I, I, my cousins were homeschool and I love my cousins. They’re awesome. But they’re very like to themselves, like they’re not going out. It was like, you can’t, uh, you can’t play the video game because it’s, there’s magic in there. That’s evil, you know, like stuff like that, where it’s like, kind of extreme. And so that’s my, my idea was like, oh, that’s weird. Like, but as I got older, we met some families and we met some really cool kids and they’re like, oh yeah, they’re homeschooled. And I was like, what? And so some people from our church, they were telling us like, oh yeah, we’ve always homeschooled. And I, I really respected these two people. And, and their kids were awesome. They weren’t like weird. They were just normal kids. And so I, that, that kind of peaked my interest. And I always had, dude, I always, I always, I hated school. Like, I’ve always liked learning, but I hated school.

Sevan Matossian (07:53):

You didn’t like going there. And the, the friends and like getting in trouble and like riding bike there and that

Jeremy Kinnick (07:58):

Stuff, there were parts of it. Yeah. There were parts of it that I liked. Like, you have a lot of memories from that. And, but like, like sitting, like spending that many hours sitting there and, and being subjected to like, there’s some awesome teachers. And I had some great teachers, but I had some terrible teachers. I had a teacher in one grade. I didn’t, I just didn’t even go to school. I just told my mom, I was sick every day. So I was sick. And I’m like, mom, you didn’t realize that there was a problem. She’s like, no, I just thought you were sick. I was like, all right. But

Sevan Matossian (08:29):

What grade was that?

Jeremy Kinnick (08:30):

I think that was like, I’ll say it’s like fourth grade, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Fourth grade.

Sevan Matossian (08:35):

I started doing stuff early where I would tell my mom, I was gonna walk to school around that age. Oh, okay. And I’d go in the backyard and then my mom would leave to go to work. And then I’d just come back in the house. Chill

Jeremy Kinnick (08:44):

Out. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (08:45):

Yeah. Just as a little kid.

Jeremy Kinnick (08:46):

Yeah. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (08:47):


Jeremy Kinnick (08:49):

How old was that? Around that age.

Sevan Matossian (08:50):

Yeah. Third, fourth, fifth grade. Yeah. My, my, my parents were workaholics.

Jeremy Kinnick (08:55):

Okay. Had to make money

Sevan Matossian (08:56):

So they could buy peanut butter and jelly and feed me.

Jeremy Kinnick (08:58):

Yeah. Yeah. That’s awesome. <laugh> and what, like

Sevan Matossian (09:02):

That, did the teacher hit or something? What was the problem? You just,

Jeremy Kinnick (09:05):

No, she didn’t hit asshole. She was, or she was just a jerk. Yeah. Like she just would yell at yell at kids or demean them or, you know, make a point like embarrass you in front of class. And it’s like, yep. You know? And I remember, dude, I remember being in, like, I forget what grade it was second or third grade. And I had to go to the bathroom and the teacher wouldn’t let me go. And I peed my pants.

Sevan Matossian (09:26):


Jeremy Kinnick (09:26):

Like, that’s fuck you stupid, dude. That’s so stupid. Yeah. Like all that kind of stuff. And like, like I don’t, I don’t think that that it’s so unnecessary. Right. And like I said, I don’t have a problem. Like when I talk about homeschool with people, like, you know, we had across the gym forever and there were tons of teachers and they all knew that at homeschooled, but I made it very clear to them. Like, I don’t have a problem with teachers. Right. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, you’re having to teach, you’re teaching 30 kids. Right. Like that’s, that’s hard. Right. That’s a hard, hard thing to do. Like I have two boys and they drive me nuts sometimes. Right. Like, you know how it is like, like it’s hard. I don’t have a problem with them. I, but what I, I have a problem with is the way the system’s set up.

Jeremy Kinnick (10:07):

It’s not set up for us guys for boys to thrive. Like it’s, it’s, it’s set up for us to like, become a robot, you know, like do what we say, like, listen, follow these rules, go get a nine to five job. You need to go get, um, that nine to five job, because then you have security and then you need to get the insurance and then you need to get, you know, it’s all this stuff that, that you, you need to have that security. Right. And so we’re, we’re conditioned to say, okay, well, that’s what I do. And so most people, they finish school, they go to college, they get right. They get too much debt. They can never pay it off. They get a terrible job. They hate their job. You have to

Sevan Matossian (10:47):

Find someone to get pregnant. You have to buy most.

Jeremy Kinnick (10:49):

Yeah. Well, and then maybe at 40 you’re like this sucks. Maybe I should do something different. Well, it’s too late. Right. Too late.

Sevan Matossian (10:55):

Right. Right.

Jeremy Kinnick (10:56):

So that your

Sevan Matossian (10:57):

Habits are ingrained.

Jeremy Kinnick (10:59):

Yeah, exactly. So that’s, that’s my issue. You know, one of them did,

Sevan Matossian (11:03):

Did anything happen in, um, that, so, so for me, um, the, for me, when the, uh, so-called pandemic hit. Yeah. And, um, they started, uh, demanding that kids wear mask. I knew then that my kids would never go to school. I knew that my kids would never, ever, ever, ever, ever be asked by me to cover their nose and their mouth. And I, and I asked, uh, Nicki Rodriguez, uh, the, the, you know, phenom jujitsu guy out, out of the bee team outta Austin. I said, Hey, do you ever wear a mask? And he goes, I cover peoples noses and mouths to kill them.

Sevan Matossian (11:44):

I’m like, I’m like check. Got it. Yeah. Got it. Like, like, uh, and I, I just knew at that point, I would never do that. And, um, you, you’re a little more, uh, um, I think, uh, and I do judge, I do unfortunate. I dunno if it’s unfortunate. I do judge people who do cover their kids’ mouth and nose. Yeah. And I do judge, actually. And, and I, and I made this mistake and my wife judged me and unfuck me. I judge actually parents who wear masks in front of their kids too. Um, my wife is one of the nicest people ever, no pushback, but she refuses to wear a mask in front of the kids because she doesn’t wanna send them the message that there’s anything wrong when there’s not. Yeah.

Jeremy Kinnick (12:20):


Sevan Matossian (12:21):

Gotcha. And, and so, um, that, that’s what did it, for me, we’re like, oh shit. Our kids can’t go to school. And that’s when the homeschool door opened. Okay. Was there anything that happened for you? Like, you’re like, oh, they’re teaching my kids this or my kids. I, I don’t

Jeremy Kinnick (12:39):

No, like,

Sevan Matossian (12:40):

No, there wasn’t one specific thing.

Jeremy Kinnick (12:42):

No, cuz we, they, they’ve never gone to public school. Our boys.

Sevan Matossian (12:45):

Okay. So we,

Jeremy Kinnick (12:47):


Sevan Matossian (12:47):

Mine didn’t either, by the way they were.

Jeremy Kinnick (12:49):

Yeah. But you were just young enough, right. They were young enough,

Sevan Matossian (12:51):

Right? Yeah. It was just young enough. It was uh, just coincidental circumstantial. Yeah,

Jeremy Kinnick (12:54):

Yeah, yeah. We, yeah, there was no, there was no like one thing that happened that was like, oh, I’m never’s ever doing that to my kids. Um, but I just didn’t want them, I didn’t want, I couldn’t imagine my boys they’re so rambunctious they’re so, you know, I feel like your, your kids are the same way. Like they’re just full of energy full of life. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (13:11):


Jeremy Kinnick (13:11):

And then you’re telling ’em to go sit down for six hours or, or however long it is. Right. I just couldn’t imagine that. And so we just never, even my wife was like, well, let’s do it. You know, we’d kind of talked about it for a while. Um, before we had kids and then as we had kids and then when they were really young and then we, like I said, we had some friends and so we had that support and, and like homeschooling now is completely different than like when we were growing up the resources, it’s like a lot more acceptable. There’s more people doing it. So there’s like groups, like we we’re involved. Like we, we belong to a co-op group, um, through a local church. And so we go and meet once a week and they do like enrichment classes. They’ll do science, they’ll do art, they’ll do some Bible. Um, they’ll do some PE and they’ll do just do things like that. But they, and they’re hanging out with friends, but it’s like just for a couple hours, like once a week, you know, it’s like, that’s cool. Yeah. Like there’s not, I don’t have a problem with my kids sitting down, listening to somebody it’s the repetitive, like for no reason. Right? Like, like you don’t need to do that. You can still learn without sitting down for six hours a day. Like,

Sevan Matossian (14:22):

And, and uh, this whole thing of appealing to the lowest common denominator. I don’t, I don’t have talented kids, but I do have really hard working kids.

Jeremy Kinnick (14:31):

Yeah. And they look pretty talented to me.

Sevan Matossian (14:33):

Well, just, it’s just through hard, just through hard work, through

Jeremy Kinnick (14:36):

Hard work. Right.

Sevan Matossian (14:37):

Yeah. And I don’t want them, I, I don’t want them subjected to the, to the lowest common denominator. Yeah. If, if, if that, if that’s what’s happening, especially I, I, I mean, I know, you know, what’s happening in California, they’re doing the thing where they say it’s not fair, um, to make kids turn in homework. They’re now, uh, in some places they’re now grading kids based on the, um, color of their skin. So they basically hold a piece of paper up next to you. And one side it’s white, one side it’s black. And

Jeremy Kinnick (15:00):

It’s a, I didn’t, I didn’t hear about that

Sevan Matossian (15:02):

Dude. Nuts. What nuts. Hey. And, you know, what’s worse than doing that is my kids finding out that that’s happening. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I don’t want my kids to know

Jeremy Kinnick (15:15):

Yet. No. Yeah. That

Sevan Matossian (15:16):

That’s happening.

Jeremy Kinnick (15:18):

Yeah. That’s not okay. Like that idea shouldn’t even be put in their head like that. That’s a thing like that’s horrible. That really is

Sevan Matossian (15:26):

There’s this line. And I, I have a bunch of slides from your Instagram that I wanna share with people. Some just fun ones. Um, homeschool is not public school at home. When I read that last night, I was like, I felt this huge sigh of relief.

Jeremy Kinnick (15:38):


Sevan Matossian (15:39):

Yeah. You know, my kids are five and seven and, and, and everything’s great. But even that kind of let me off the hook, like, yeah, it’s not, I’m not trying to do public school. Can you, can you tell me about that? Absolutely. How you came to that and what that means?

Jeremy Kinnick (15:52):

Well, I mean, basically it’s just like, and I, and it it’s something that I thought was necessary to say, because people were trying to, people were asking me man or telling me, like, it’s so hard. Like my kids are spending all day on zooms. Right. This is like something that I realized like, as the pandemic was going on. Right. Cause everyone just, they, all the school sent the kids home and they just put ’em on zoom all day. So they’re sitting in front of a computer like this

Sevan Matossian (16:19):

When I’ve heard that, by the way. Right. Cause my kids do a lot of activities with, with um, school kids. Tons. Yeah. And I’m hearing the parents say that and I’m just like, I, my kids don’t even know what zoom is. My kids have never even sat in front of a computer.

Jeremy Kinnick (16:33):

Right. It’s crazy. So they’re, they’re

Sevan Matossian (16:35):

Five dude.

Jeremy Kinnick (16:36):

Why would they? Right. I have my next door neighbor is a, um, kindergarten teacher teacher. Yeah. And, and I’m talking to her and I, I, I was, at that time I was training people outta my garage, just doing some CrossFit stuff, doing some, you know, and anyway, and so she’s at home and she’s like, man, I have to do zooms with kindergarters <laugh> I’m li I just start laughing at her. I’m like, what? Like, what does that even look like? And she’s like, it’s a lot of games I’m like, so you’re just babysitting them. She’s like, yeah. What? So anyways, so I realized that like, people were getting a bad taste and like a bad, like they weren’t getting a good, good experience of what homeschool was. Like, they were just doing public school at home. Right. They were taking exactly what they do at school and coming home and mimicking that.

Jeremy Kinnick (17:26):

And that’s, and homeschool is not that homeschool like is very, like, we don’t spend a lot of time at all on schoolwork. We, we learn through doing things right. And we’ll do some work here. We’ll do some work there, but then we’ll go to the field and we’ll hit my boys like baseball, or we’ll go to the, go to the park and they’ll ride their scooters at the skate park, or we’ll go to the grocery store and get groceries, or we’ll clean the house or we’ll play on the trampoline. Right. Like our day is made up more of those kind of activities. Right. And so they do, they before COVID they were going to a stem class. So like once a week they would go. And when they would learn about, you know, engineering, they would learn about some coding they would build. And

Sevan Matossian (18:08):

Tell me what stem is.

Jeremy Kinnick (18:10):

So stem is, um,

Sevan Matossian (18:11):

It’s an acronym, right?

Jeremy Kinnick (18:12):

It’s an acronym. It’s uh, science,

Sevan Matossian (18:15):

Technology, technology,

Jeremy Kinnick (18:17):

Engineering, and math. Yeah. There we go. Okay. Okay. Right. So it’s kind of like that, that kind of stuff. It’s super cool. And there’s a place near us actually in Rancho in Claremont, but it’s called stem center USA. And these there’s two sisters that started they’re amazing. They’re they’re I believe, believe they were on don’t quote me on this. I believe they were on shark tank. They were on something anyways. It’s super cool. But it’s a, they go to school, they go once a week to that and they build, and they have these teachers, but once they had to start wearing masks, you know, I just told ’em. I said, Hey, we love you guys. It’s awesome. But I’m not gonna, my voice can’t do it. Like, they’re just not gonna be, they’re just not gonna do that subjects. So we, we, yeah, we, we just, so we just stopped and unfortunately, like, they loved it.

Jeremy Kinnick (19:02):

And my older son did robotics, like tournaments where he’d like build little robots and they’d like battle and, and he had to stop. So because I wasn’t gonna have him do that. So, um, but we, like, that’s what our day looks like. Right. So ho so our home homeschool, it doesn’t look like anything like what we’re doing at public school. And so that was where that, that, that quote, or that idea came from. It’s like you guys, cuz people kept asking me about, you know, Hey, is this, I guess this is easy for you guys. Right? You guys, you guys are already at home, but no, for us it cut off a lot of stuff. Right. We had to be at, we actually had to be at home more because we couldn’t do the activities that we were normally doing. There were a lot, there was a lot more, uh, pushback with that, you know,

Sevan Matossian (19:48):

With, with what you kind of lost me there.

Jeremy Kinnick (19:50):

Well, there was like, like with the stem class, right. We couldn’t, I didn’t want to go because of the masks. Right, right. And certain, certain things got shut down. Um, you know, and they’ve yellow

Sevan Matossian (19:59):

Tape around the yellow tape, around the parks.

Jeremy Kinnick (20:02):

Exactly. I’m like, come on. You know, so, and actually for us, like there were, now there were more people doing like at parks and either the ones that weren’t shut down. And so it was harder for us to go do the normal things that we were doing. So a lot of people were like, oh, I guess you guys weren’t impacted at all. And it’s like, we were, we absolutely, absolutely were. Cuz we’re not, you know, like sitting at home all day is not what we do for homeschool.

Sevan Matossian (20:28):


Jeremy Kinnick (20:30):

You know? Um,

Sevan Matossian (20:31):

Uh, I’m I’m sure with your kids too. And I see it on Instagram, obviously my kids do a lot of moving and they do a lot of counting. So from a young age it was like, okay, uh, you’re gonna push that, you know, 50 pound Deb ball back and forth across the garage 10 times. Right? Yeah. And then one day, I don’t know how young they are, but it’s the same with all three of ’em they go, I have three left and then I know that they’re doing math. Right. Yeah. Cause I totally, ’em had to do 10 math and they’ve done seven and now they’re doing math and I’m like, oh that’s shit. The two or three year old knows addition and subtraction. I didn’t have to teach them shit. They’re like,

Jeremy Kinnick (21:06):

Yeah, they didn’t have to sit down and scribble and

Sevan Matossian (21:09):

You know, they’re Cal. Yeah. They’re calculating. That’s

Jeremy Kinnick (21:12):

Really cool. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (21:14):

And you see that stuff everywhere. And uh, one of the other, one of the other components pieces that I did is my kids do. Um, and, and I know maybe not everyone can afford this, but I know that there’s avenues to get it for everyone. My kids, uh, I always wanted them to have adult interaction. And you talk about this on your Instagram. Yeah. Also. Yeah. And I didn’t care what the sports were, but I wanted them to have professional teachers. So I was, I, I know, I, I knew nothing about tennis. I thought tennis was stupid, but I found an amazing tennis coach and now they’ve been doing tennis three years and I just want them to be able to interact with really, with adults who really care about their craft. Yeah. And then I found a Ji Jitsu instructor who thought the same thing. And I found a professional skateboarder who like, has like pride and all these guys have a little bit of pride and arrogance in their craft.

Jeremy Kinnick (22:03):

Yeah. Yeah. I

Sevan Matossian (22:04):

Love that. And my kids from dealing with these guys all three days a week, these guys and gals, they have, uh, this ability to interact with adults. That’s uh, so unique. I feel like,

Jeremy Kinnick (22:15):

Yeah, absolutely.

Sevan Matossian (22:17):

Compared to other kids in those settings, I also see them with other kids and um, there’s, there’s two things I notice. Uh, I’ll, I’ll start with the first one. I walked up to the tennis coach the other day and I go, why is, why do you think my kids, my three boys have so much more, um, focus and are different than these other kids. And I J I didn’t even ask him if he thought that I just projected that onto him. I made that pre-supposition. Yeah. And he goes, because your kids don’t go to school. And I go, what do you mean by that? He goes, all these kids spend from eight in the morning to three o’clock in the afternoon in Dick measuring contests with other kids.

Jeremy Kinnick (22:53):


Sevan Matossian (22:54):

And I was like, holy shit. And we just had some friends over this weekend and anytime their kids did something that beat my kids, like any game, like wrestling or basketball, they would run and tell their parents. I beat. So, and so I’ve never heard my kids do that. They’ll occasionally say something like, Hey, I choked that guy out. Or did you see that Ali? I did. Yeah. But they’re, they’re so not about beating down other kids. It’s

Jeremy Kinnick (23:18):

Not about how they beat him. It’s it’s like, look at this cool thing I did. Right. Like I accomplished this thing. Isn’t that cool dad, you know? Yes.

Sevan Matossian (23:25):

And tennis. Instructor’s like, Hey dude, all these kids are on pressure cookers. They’re with fucking 30 to 300 kids all day, just fucking in a pressure cooker in a Dick measuring contest. He’s like your kid. He’s like, you have a seven, your seven year old just wants to get better at tennis.

Jeremy Kinnick (23:38):

Yeah. Well, you know, what’s interesting. I don’t sorry. I don’t mean to cut that. No,

Sevan Matossian (23:43):

No, no, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. No, that’s it. That’s it.

Jeremy Kinnick (23:45):

Well, well, what’s, what’s interesting about, about them being with that group. Right? They like public school kids. Like it’s very cliquey. Like you only hang out with kids that are your grade. Right. Second graders, second, hang out with se you don’t go up like high school. You don’t hang out with freshmen if you’re senior, right. There’s no, like, there’s these huge age barriers. Right? Like you’re stuck with these kids. Whereas like homeschool kids, like they there’s like you just play with whoever’s there.

Sevan Matossian (24:15):

Yeah. And your son’s deadlift two 80 at 13 Jeremy’s son. Uh, what’s it. Carl Carson.

Sevan Matossian (24:22):

Carson. Sorry. Yeah. And so when, when you’re, deadlifting two 80 at 13, um, you don’t train with other 13 year olds, probably you’re training. 17 year olds, 40 year old men, uh, 38 year old women. You’re training with. Yeah. That’s, that’s interesting. You say that. And same with my kids. My five year olds, the youngest person in their tennis class is like eight, because they’ve been playing tennis since they’re three. Not that they’re great at it. They just have put in the, they just put in the work. Yeah. They just put in the work. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That’s fascinating. Yeah.

Jeremy Kinnick (24:53):

So like my 13 year old, like when it’s like, Hey, let’s go play, let’s go hang out somewhere. Like he’ll be hanging out with seven year olds, you know, or my 10 year old be hanging out with 15 year olds. They’re just all just hanging out, playing and just having a good time. They’re they’ve never been told that they, they can only hang out with their age group and that it’s only

Sevan Matossian (25:14):

Parks the same way. Ji Jitsu’s the same

Jeremy Kinnick (25:16):

Way. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You see that a lot. So for me, that’s like a huge, like, I love that. I love seeing that, you know, and like you were saying, like, I love, I love seeing like those professional coaches, like your kids are learning from, and, and they’re their role models. Are these guys that are like way up here, right? Yeah. Like they’re the best of the best they have this good mentality, this good mindset. And they’re, they’re being molded and shaped by those types of guys. Like, that’s what I want too. I want my boys to be challenged. And I want them to have these role models that aren’t people that are pissed off going to the nine to five. You know, I don’t want them to like that like sucks the life outta you. I feel like, you know what I mean?

Sevan Matossian (26:00):

Yeah. You reminded of another thing too. So the other day, a, a young girl was getting her gray belt and juujitsu, and they chose my son to do her test with her. And even though he’s fucking way better than her, he, he has the social grace to let her perform all the moves on him. The instructor doesn’t even have to say it. And then they’re supposed to do a three minute spar and they tell my son, Hey, just go as hard as you can. This doesn’t matter. But he still won’t. Yeah. Cause he knows it’s her. He has the social grace. He that’s really cool. You know, it’s her gray belt says. Yeah. And I see that the other kids don’t have that.

Jeremy Kinnick (26:33):


Sevan Matossian (26:33):

<affirmative> like, you can put my son, uh, you can put my son with someone who’s brand new to the class in a white belt. And who’s 37 pounds, even though he’s 50 and he’ll never smash them. Never, ever, ever. Yeah. It’s fascinating. Yeah. And, and the other kids aren’t like that, some of them are, I shouldn’t say I’m not saying all of them. Yeah. But a lot of the kids it’s just about fucking, I guess what they’re taught in school, it’s only about winning.

Jeremy Kinnick (26:57):


Sevan Matossian (26:59):

I heard this guy say the other day, Jeremy, um, uh, that please and thank yous are non-negotiables and I had a friend come over to my house and, um, I, he was visiting from out of town and I knew he was bringing his son. So when his son came, I had ordered this really cool spinner form. It was all made of, do you know what spinners are? Those things kids play with when they spent, and it was this really cool steel one, it was kind of expensive. And it had all these gears and it was super intricate when you spunned all sorts of stuff was activated. And I gave it to him and he wouldn’t say, thank you. And his dad still let him have it. Um, which I disapprove of. But, but those are also the kind of things that can happen in school. For me. It’s non-negotiable either, if you came into my house and gave my kids something and he didn’t say, please, or thank you or make eye contact with you, he’d have to give it back to you. And then when he was ready to make eye contact and say, please, or thank you, then you could get it.

Jeremy Kinnick (27:50):


Sevan Matossian (27:51):

Yeah. Those are the things you get away with in school too, right?

Jeremy Kinnick (27:54):

Yeah. You kind of cuz they kind of fall through the cracks, you know? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (27:56):

Teachers aren’t enforcing that shit. They can’t enforce that with 30 kids in, in seven classes. Yeah.

Jeremy Kinnick (28:02):

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. There’s a lot of those little things that just kind of fall through the cracks cuz you’re just, you’re all you’re you can’t control 30 kids. It’s not gonna happen. Right. And, and may by the time they’re like in high school, then they’re all sitting perfectly and they they’ve learned, they’ve learned how to do school. Right. You sit there. Yeah. You obey the teacher. You never question like my boys question authority all the time. They’re just because an adult said it just because their coach said it just because, so, and so said it that’s older than them. They, that doesn’t matter if that, if it’s not right.

Sevan Matossian (28:37):

Can you gimme an example of that? Like what that looks like?

Jeremy Kinnick (28:41):

Um, gosh, um,

Sevan Matossian (28:44):

If you think of one, tell me I’m so I’m so curious.

Jeremy Kinnick (28:46):

Yeah. Yeah. I mean they just, because someone tells them something to do, if like, let’s say for an example, a coach wants ’em to do this. I don’t know. Um, like they may listen to ’em but then afterwards they’ll go, Hey dad, that like, why are we doing that? Like,

Sevan Matossian (29:02):

Like a drill. Like if it was like a

Jeremy Kinnick (29:04):

Drill or like, or they’re gonna do like a ton of running, like a like, oh, you guys messed up, you’re gonna do a bunch of like, we’re gonna punish you and you’re gonna go run for the rest of practice. Right? Yeah. Like they’re questioning that. They don’t just go, okay. Coach said, so I’m gonna do it, go do it. Like they go and do it out of respect. But then, then they come to me and they say, dad, why are we like, why are we doing that? Like we should be practicing to get better. You know? Like, and so they’re, they’re not, they’re not just gonna be this. Yes, yes, guy. Right. They’re gonna, they’re gonna go, Hey what’s why are we doing that? Hey, or someone treats somebody poorly, right. A coach yells at a kid or the, or the dad coach yells at the son. And it’s like, man, that, that must suck dad like that. Like, you know, why is, why is he doing that? And so I gotta explain, well, you know, sometimes dads are, if their kids don’t perform, it makes them look bad and or they feel like it makes ’em look bad. And, and so they have to, and then if they’re frustrated, so they yell at their kid and they’re like, oh, that’s kind of dumb. You know, like.

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