#467 – HillerFit Review Show

HillerFit (00:00):

Did you see what I just made

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam or live? No, you just posted it.

HillerFit (00:04):

Yeah. I had, I had a feeling actually, you know, I kind of wanted you to not see it. It’s just on there. You’ll see it later. Or now if you want,

Sevan Matossian (00:12):

I wanna, I wanna, uh, before we dig in, man, what a great show we have. Damn, you made so many videos. Did you make, have you made, still been making a video every single day?

HillerFit (00:21):

Every day, no matter what,

Sevan Matossian (00:23):

That was hilarious when you showed your first video.

HillerFit (00:26):

Yeah. Right? That’s the one that you hated.

Sevan Matossian (00:28):

Oh, is that

HillerFit (00:29):

Cause I use your clip and I use phoning talking about steroids and yeah, yeah, yeah. You’re wearing shorts again.

Sevan Matossian (00:35):

Ah, God damn. You’re pointing out all this shit, which brings me to my first thing. You are a bit of a Mo you, I, I, you fan yourself as a movement expert and, and, and I fancy, whoa,

HillerFit (00:45):

Whoa, whoa. I, I don’t think I ever said that. I don’t think I fancied to myself as a movement expert expert.

Sevan Matossian (00:51):

I fan I, sorry, scratch. Take two. I fan use sort of a movement expert connoisseur. Connoisseur. How about that?

HillerFit (00:57):

Okay. That’s more fair. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (00:58):

I don’t even know what the fuck that word means. Hold on. Making me use big words. Conness SU

HillerFit (01:06):

Are you all alone? It’s just us. No suit beaver

Sevan Matossian (01:09):

And no, and expert in matters of taste.

HillerFit (01:14):

There you go. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (01:15):

In matters of take you, you, you have, you have thoughts about you, have you, you like to think about movement and, um, kind of as the, uh, as the great, uh, uh, Romanoff, the running coach Romanoff says, you’re interested in sort of the end points. Like, do you know about pose running about how it has?

HillerFit (01:32):

Yeah, I took, I took the cross endurance course on post running. Yeah. I think Brian McKenzie was the guy at the helm of it when I took it.

Sevan Matossian (01:39):

Did you like that class?

HillerFit (01:40):

Yeah, it was great. It was, uh, all pose running, which is Roman off.

Sevan Matossian (01:43):

Yeah. He’s, he’s a smart dude. I really like the way he thinks.

HillerFit (01:47):

I think it’s different now. Um, I’m not sure how it changed up, but I know it changed after I had taken it, but it was like a two day course. It was pretty cool.

Sevan Matossian (01:55):

I wanna, I wanna show you this video and I know that you’re more about, um, so there there’s two, two questions I have for you. I wanna talk to you about the, the, what you see in this video in terms of the range of motion, but something that you normally don’t do that I would like to ask you to do is to pass judgment on whether you think this was intentional. Right? So by that, I mean, I don’t, I, I think, um, well here’s a good question. Do you think that Brook wealth intentionally classed her legs together around the rope? I’ll go first. I think, no, I think it was a, um, some sort of automated neurological response.

HillerFit (02:35):

Okay. You want me to, oh, oh

Sevan Matossian (02:37):

Yeah. What

HillerFit (02:37):

You say? You said you were gonna show something, but we all know what we’re talking about. Right. Which

Sevan Matossian (02:40):

Is, well, I’m gonna show something totally different from CrossFit, but it’s a different movement standard. Okay. But what do you think about that? Normally you don’t, I don’t feel like you PA you don’t pass. I usually just say, oh, she didn’t clamp her legs and we all go, oh, or you say, Hey, she clamped her legs. And we’re like, oh shit, no rep, but now I’m asking you to go one step further, just friend to friend. Do you think she,

HillerFit (03:00):

The step further that I like to go is you saw my video, maybe the Instagram reel with Travis mayor talking about the muscle ups. Right. And he understands that what he does blows him up. And the question is, does he move away from his perfect muscle up repetitions to do what the field is doing? Or does the entity that B that CrossFit judges, Adrian Bosman and company level up the playing field so that they all match Travis mayor. In my opinion, you force everybody to match Travis mayor because did broke Wells do that on purpose. We saw at the end of the workout that she was struggling quite a bit with the role climbs. And I think that there’s something kind of, did she do it on purpose? No, but I think that subconsciously, or there’s just something like built into her that is going to cause her to make each and every rep as easy as it can be.

HillerFit (03:50):

And if she does that make sense? So did on purpose, probably not, but it probably did make it just a touch easier so that each ensuing rep wasn’t as hard. And she was trying to avoid blowing up, which is the exact same thing Travis mayor was talking about. Okay. The answer, if you see females who are really trying to not touch the rope of their legs, it looks very different. It looks nothing like broke Wells. And I’ve actually even sent a couple of high level females. It’s like, this is what it’s supposed to look like. And their legs are about as wide as they can get to make sure that they don’t get no reps called on them. They are in that instance, doing what Travis mayor does, making

Sevan Matossian (04:23):

The women keep their legs open as wide as possible in order to get a no rep. Okay. I just wanna make sure in

HillerFit (04:29):

Order to not get a no

Sevan Matossian (04:30):

Rep in order to not get a no rip. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

HillerFit (04:34):

So does that all make sense?

Sevan Matossian (04:36):

A friend of mine, this girl, I know, um, her husband’s this giant man and, uh, he’s giant he’s he’s like six, five. And she was saying, because he’s so broad, she was telling me that fucking is like awkward. <laugh> because like, God, I gotta get,

HillerFit (04:53):

You see a picture of the mountain with his wife or fiance.

Sevan Matossian (04:56):

No, but I gotta get her to explain that to me again. Does, is he a giant compared to her?

HillerFit (05:01):

Do you know the mountain?

Sevan Matossian (05:02):

Yeah. Yeah.

HillerFit (05:03):

Yeah. The world strongest man. Dead lifted like 500 kilos.

Sevan Matossian (05:06):

Yeah. That’s Thor. He beat up my friend dev and LA Ette.

HillerFit (05:08):

Yeah. I remember. Okay. Yeah. His wife or fiance has to be five, two at the tallest and maybe 110

Sevan Matossian (05:15):

Pounds said she said something about how it’s hard on her hips, getting them around his body. Anyway.

HillerFit (05:20):

You never had that. You never had anyone tell you that before?

Sevan Matossian (05:23):

No, not yet. No, not yet. No. No, not yet.

HillerFit (05:29):

Not, not until you go on California hormones and

Sevan Matossian (05:31):

Not, not until I start. You’re banging midgets. Well, um,

HillerFit (05:35):

You’re, you’re just gonna get so big from California hormones that your wife’s gonna be. You know what? This hurts my hips now. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (05:42):

I, I am pro-choice and I will not be getting on California hormones.

HillerFit (05:48):


Sevan Matossian (05:49):

Okay. Uh, I, I want you to, I want you to try, can you see this? Yeah. Okay. I want you to watch this video and there’s a woman in blue here. Do you see her?

HillerFit (06:03):

There’s a woman in blue. I see her.

Sevan Matossian (06:05):

And, and the next to her, there is a child, which looks like a young girl.

HillerFit (06:09):

There’s two children, right? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (06:11):

Which, which

HillerFit (06:11):

One are you talking

Sevan Matossian (06:11):

About? One, the one that’s directly next to her. Now. I want you to watch, um, and, and tell me, okay, what did you just see right there?

HillerFit (06:19):

Tell me what she arrow point the child.

Sevan Matossian (06:21):

Okay. I want you to watch the woman in the blue. One more time. Here we go. In at reg in slow motion.

HillerFit (06:27):

She’s like kind of hitting the, the girl. It looks like she’s.

Sevan Matossian (06:30):

Okay. Keep watching. Keep watching. What do you see here? Okay. <affirmative> okay.

HillerFit (06:37):

All right. There’s the arrow again? Oh, she shoves her.

Sevan Matossian (06:39):

Is that what you see? Hiller?

HillerFit (06:42):


Sevan Matossian (06:43):

Let’s watch a couple more times. It’s a woman. Who’s 80, some odd years old in blue. What did she do there?

HillerFit (06:50):

It just looks like she’s brushing her away. I feel like I’m being set up. It looks like she’s had

Sevan Matossian (06:54):

Her arm. She, I there’s. No, there’s no trick here. It, it does seem that way. Right. Does that, does that look intentional to you? Does that look like that’s on purpose to you? Or is that, is that an

HillerFit (07:08):

Accident? It seems, it seems as if she’s, so the, the person in blue who, I don’t know who that is, is so caught up in what she’s doing that she’s like, oh, this thing’s in the way. And that thing happens to be a child. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (07:19):

Yeah. Yeah. That’s exactly how I termin it. That’s an 81 or 82 year old lady who, um, the, the world knows is Nancy Pelosi. Her husband was arrested for drunk driving. Uh, just up, up from my house.

HillerFit (07:31):

I know that name

Sevan Matossian (07:32):

I a couple months ago now, now look at, look at her, push this child. Now I wanna show you, I wanna show you who this child is.

HillerFit (07:40):

Am I gonna get a whole bunch of shit for not knowing who Nancy Pelosi is she she’s.

Sevan Matossian (07:44):

Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about that. You’re you are taking, you’re gonna take an ass pounding. That’s worse than the, um, uh, the mountains wife takes, but oh, but this is fucking incredible. So this, and, and I needed you to, to show to I needed a, a movement Kana sewer in order to, uh, explain that that is that Nancy Pelosi, I believe is the speaker of the house. She’s the, she’s the, she’s the number three person. If Joe Biden died and Kama Harris died, that person becomes the president. She’s like super Democrat. Oh, super Democrat. Right?

HillerFit (08:19):


Sevan Matossian (08:21):


HillerFit (08:22):

When did she start doing squats that I can start talking about

Sevan Matossian (08:24):

Now? Li she now, listen, this is this. I’m gonna get you off of this real quick. I’m sorry. I’m gonna, I’m gonna cut you loose here in just a minute. When we get to the, to the real

HillerFit (08:32):

Stuff, that’s okay. Let you do your thing. I’m just F with you.

Sevan Matossian (08:34):

This is the five year old girl, six year old girl. She pushed this six year old girl. What you were just looking at, what you were just looking at was the, um, swearing in of the first Mexican American woman in Congress. If you give a shit, I don’t. I just like it. That she’s a fucking Republican, but some people care that she’s a Mexican American woman. She cares supposedly the Democrats care. And she pushed this fucking girl’s daughter at the fucking inauguration at the swearing in ceremony.

HillerFit (09:07):

Oh man.

Sevan Matossian (09:09):

It’s there.

HillerFit (09:09):

Is there any sort of flesh

Sevan Matossian (09:10):

About that? Do you know what you would do to Hiller? If someone do you know, Hiller, what you would do to someone, if they did that to your daughter,

HillerFit (09:16):

I know what you would do. If someone did that to one of your boys.

Sevan Matossian (09:18):

Yeah. It, it would,

HillerFit (09:20):

Um, I I’ve always told, been told that like, once you have it, have a child, you have it in completely different head space about it. So I don’t even think I could imagine what I would do, but I probably fucking kill her.

Sevan Matossian (09:30):

I wonder if my mom would, if that would be enough to push my mom to become, to stop swearing to the allegiance of the Democrats to

HillerFit (09:37):

See that well it’s cuz cause what it looks like to me is it looks like they’re all just staged there. Right? And it’s like, oh, let’s put the kids up there and then like, you’re not, maybe you don’t want to do it, but maybe you’re doing it for a public image. The kids are up there and then she shoves your kid. Although you may have not wanted to put your kid there in the first place, but then you lose your shit.

Sevan Matossian (09:54):

I would love it. If a fucking elephant came in the room and just grabbed Nancy Pelosi by with its trunk around her waist and drug her outside. Oh no, my mom says it’s not enough. It’s not, she’s still long. Look.

HillerFit (10:06):

Oh, she’s here. Hey Rosemary. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (10:07):

All right. Well that, that’s your girl. Um, miss Pelosi, uh, shoving a, a, a five year old, uh, Mexican American little girl shoving her. God, I wish would punched. I wish she’d punched her in the crotch.

HillerFit (10:22):

The girl.

Sevan Matossian (10:23):

Yeah. Or pulled off Nancy’s wig or something.

HillerFit (10:25):

Who were you just talking to that said, was it you, or was it someone else where they were talking about their, that was chase on his show. And he was talking about how he, when he was a kid, his dad told him to punch a kid in the nose and he did it the next day. And then he went to the office and he is like, dad’s like, all right, now you’ve gotta control it. That girl needs to have that conversation. And next time she gets shoved. She’s gonna punch someone right in the crotch.

Sevan Matossian (10:45):

Yeah. Yeah.

HillerFit (10:46):

And you heard it here first.

Sevan Matossian (10:49):

Okay. Uh, I got another video here. The man in the red here, Hiller doesn’t know I have this video. The man in the red here is, um, Andrew Hiller. And uh, the, the, the guy in the blue is, um, CrossFit, ink. And I, and I, I got this from a, uh, security camera here.

HillerFit (11:07):

Oh shit. <laugh> uh,

Sevan Matossian (11:10):

It’s not good wearing a helmet. Doesn’t always work. Guys. Look at this shot. Look at the look at the first shot. He pops the helmet open and the second shot, he gets it in the helmet,

HillerFit (11:21):

In the helmet. Oh. And this dude is unloading <laugh> on this man. This is awesome. What is, where is this?

Sevan Matossian (11:29):

That’s a, uh, I don’t know. I just saw that and I thought, oh my God, that’s Hiller and poor CrossFit.

HillerFit (11:34):

Whenever I see like hard colors like that, red and blue. I always think about the power Rangers.

Sevan Matossian (11:39):

You’re a good dude. How old are you?

HillerFit (11:41):

I’m 30 power Rangers. Where my thing growing up,

Sevan Matossian (11:44):

You’re a good dude. Okay. This is how the show was supposed to start. Ladies and gentlemen. Um, and, and then this morning I saw Nancy Pelosi pushing little kids. And I was like, I was

HillerFit (11:53):

Kinda always wondering when you were gonna start talking politics with me and I’m gonna be like, I don’t give as shit, man.

Sevan Matossian (11:58):

<laugh> I don’t give a Dick. Okay, here we go. Listen to this. The, the best two videos in my opinion, that Andrew Hiller put out are up. Now. I don’t know if it’s his most recent one, but it’s definitely from yesterday and the day before, if you have not seen them, you should go see them. Even if for some, if you love him, you’re really gonna like him. If you’ve been watching from the beginning, you’re gonna lose your mind. He, he really puts all the dots together. You’re gonna feel good that you, um, stuck around with him for the last year. And if for some reason you ever, um, were soft like me and you were kind of like judging, uh, Andrew for being too harsh. Uh, you will, he will, uh, unfuck you if you see these two videos. Okay. But this is on his Instagram and this is sort of a preview, uh, uh, explanation of how these videos work. I was dying, laughing when I saw this. Okay, here we go.

Sevan Matossian (12:41):

The HQ got it. They

Sevan Matossian (12:42):

Reviewed it. Uh, this is, uh, uh, Danny SDEL, by the way old school CrossFitter showed up on the scene. Everyone thought she was gonna be the next big thing. And she wasn’t, but still an amazing person. That’s not a dig at her.

Sevan Matossian (12:53):

And there was five bad reps. So they disqualified me.

Sevan Matossian (12:58):

She got five bad reps and she was disqualified. That’s a video that Andrew Hiller showed us from 2013. She got, did five bad reps and got disqualified. Okay. I’m not gonna interrupt again.

HillerFit (13:10):


Sevan Matossian (13:12):

2000 years lay tail. Okay, gotta interrupt. Sorry. What’s wrong with these rips? Tia? Is it the filming angle? Because we don’t see her from the side.

HillerFit (13:26):

It’s that when she hits the ground and everyone will make the, oh, but at some point in time, they are, the bar has to be on the ground on the bottom and then extension it doesn’t, it’s not that it has to remain level, but that whole like bounce, bounce thing. They’ve never fixed. Then people bring up Fraser at the games in 2020, when it was online. It’s like, you can go see that Frazier was doing it. And it’s likely that him, Shane and Tia do deadlifts this way because they know that they’re easier. Which isn’t that

Sevan Matossian (13:51):

A stretch to put that in there though. Cuz that’s not illegal.

HillerFit (13:55):

Um, it’s illegal because if you were and everyone’s like, you slow it down. What is it gonna do in real time? When it’s online, the judging team can slow it down. The weights are not on the ground at the same time.

Sevan Matossian (14:04):

That’s one of the rules. The weights, the weights are kind of like a team. They have to be synchronized, touch the ground and come off.

HillerFit (14:09):

I almost kind of Beckon it to when you’re doing dumbbell snatches, both heads of the dumbbell have to be on the ground at the same time. And if you

Sevan Matossian (14:15):

That’s a rule,

HillerFit (14:16):

Yeah. You can’t touch one head of the dumbbell to the ground on a dumbbell snatch.

Sevan Matossian (14:20):

That’s in the CrossFit rule book right there that you can’t do that

HillerFit (14:23):

With a dumbbell or with a Barb. No.

Sevan Matossian (14:25):

With, with a barbell,

HillerFit (14:26):

With a barbell, it says that you, it doesn’t specifically say you aren’t allowed to do this, but it does say that it has to go from the ground to extension simultaneously.

Sevan Matossian (14:36):

Oh, well then she should have been deed that year.

HillerFit (14:39):

That that’s this year, by the way, that’s this year.

Sevan Matossian (14:41):

Oh, you guys won’t be seeing Tia in the games this year. I think they’re going to, uh, have to review everything.

HillerFit (14:56):

A few moments later

Sevan Matossian (14:59):


HillerFit (15:02):

Three days later.

Sevan Matossian (15:04):

I knew you were, you walk

HillerFit (15:08):

12 seconds later, later. You

Sevan Matossian (15:11):

OK. You OK. You,

Sevan Matossian (15:14):

You OK. I almost feel like I should telling you what the guys aren’t doing since it’s so small, but basically what you’re seeing is a montage of people

HillerFit (15:21):

Months later. So

Sevan Matossian (15:22):

There’s been a lot of criticism around the accuracy of

HillerFit (15:24):

Judging 10 seconds late.

Sevan Matossian (15:28):

There’s always been criticism of judging both online and in person. Uh, um, I do think that we’re in a hypercritical moment right now,

HillerFit (15:35):

A few minutes later. And

Sevan Matossian (15:37):

So I don’t see this season as being particularly different than others in terms of,

HillerFit (15:41):

But eventually,

Sevan Matossian (15:43):

Okay. That is a complete dismantling. The, the, I think, and I could be wrong. Um, I haven’t spoken directly to Adrian or Justin, but um, the, the, the story is, is that this has always been like this with Dave gone. There’s an, and an angry little dwarf Armenian man complaining. Um, and Andrew Hiller, a guy who’s fucking so thirsty to maybe relevant on YouTube have decided to make CrossFit the, uh, the focus of their, um, desperation. And so, and this has always been happening and, uh, it was, it was an interesting, uh, thing, uh, response. Um, Dave, you know, when I interviewed Dave, Dave basically said, Hey, I wouldn’t have used that response. Even if it was true, basically like that’s not the response that leader gives, but now it’s all a moot point. M O O T moot. I wanna look that up for you guys moot

HillerFit (16:37):

A moot point,

Sevan Matossian (16:38):

A moot point. Mom was an attorney. That’s how I know dumb word like that. I subject to the debate, a subject, a subject to debate dispute or uncertainty having literal or no practical relevance. Yeah. Now, um, typically because the subject is too uncertain to allow for a decision. Well, that’s not why it’s moot. It’s moot because what Andrew just showed completely squashes that if you go look at those videos, he’s showing people who did five fucking reps wrong who were tossed. He shows us affiliates who were told they couldn’t judge judges who were told they couldn’t judge for like just five or six reps being wrong. Uh, hello, this CrossFit HQ. And then, and not, not only that CrossFit HQ puts out the articles sh from their media department. Thank you. Uh, woo. Reporting that, Hey, if you’re an affiliate and you judge shit wrong, we still love you, but you won’t be judging for the rest of the year. If you’re judging you, judge shit wrong, you won’t be judging for the rest of the year. And, uh, and if you’re an athlete and you fuck up, you’re taught out.

HillerFit (17:35):

You gotta go somewhere out. And then the affiliate, the athlete’s at that affiliate have to go to another affiliate to complete the workouts now.

Sevan Matossian (17:42):

Uh, yes. Thank you, mom. As opposed to mute mom, you’re so smart. I, I, I will tell you this. I, um, all the horrible things my mom, uh, did to me, she always loved me. And, uh, my mom never did anything horrible to me. I love that in the GZA interview, my parents still love me. I was like, yeah, my parents still love me too.

HillerFit (18:01):

Thank God for that.

Sevan Matossian (18:02):

Can you imagine my, my, my poor mom, you, this isn’t gonna resonate with you, but she’s I was raised just as hardcore Democrat. And now she’s got me talk about fucked up.

HillerFit (18:12):

I thought, I thought you were a

Sevan Matossian (18:13):

Democrat. No, I’m, I’m in, I’m in, uh, what’s that called? When atory I’m in rehab. I’m in rehab.

HillerFit (18:21):

I don’t understand

Sevan Matossian (18:22):

Being I’m being fixed by the indoctrination. I was I’m being UN brainwashed.

HillerFit (18:28):

Ah, and that’s your, that’s what you’re trying to do to everyone else. Have them join your UN brainwashing journey, I suppose.

Sevan Matossian (18:34):

Thank you, Mr. Hiller.

HillerFit (18:36):

Oh, dot connector. That’s me.

Sevan Matossian (18:39):

Yes. The dot connector. I’m going to pull up, uh,

HillerFit (18:43):

Mr. The biggest thing from that first video that CrossFit age few said that no longer the, the affiliate pulled their, the athlete name was pulled off the top of the leaderboard and they couldn’t compete anymore that year.

Sevan Matossian (18:54):

That was Danny SDEL.

HillerFit (18:55):

That was well, that was both of ’em. That was both Danny SDEL and Josh golden. Okay. So both of those videos, Fridays and Saturday’s video, and then in Friday’s video, Josh golden, because the affiliate said it was okay. They were, they had their ability to, okay. The rest of the affiliates members taken away. That’s something that was gone this year entirely. It’s something that I knew probably eight, 12 months ago. And they made that announcement that there was no longer the need to have the affiliate. And you could just upload videos to the internet. I knew it would be an issue it’s like, how could they not have figured that out? So that was a thing through, I believe 20, 20, maybe 2021. And then this year was the first year they removed the affiliate. And then also the judge was removed from their judging capabilities.

Sevan Matossian (19:40):

Do you guys three

HillerFit (19:41):

Levels of removal?

Sevan Matossian (19:42):

I, I want you to explain that one more time about when you U when, but last year, when you turned in an open video or in the past, when Danny SDEL turned in an open video, I want you to walk us through the process of that. Okay. And what’s different today. This is really important people. This is, this is another reason why it makes no sense what they’re saying out of HQ right now. And I think Brian, your friend sum it up really well. Brian’s like, Hey, you and Andrew are kind of stuck in the weeds, pointing out the problems. The real issue is leadership. And I think in these two videos, Andrew, uh, connects that. But, but go, but go on. So

HillerFit (20:14):

What’s 2018. I met my affiliate. I have the affiliate of registry as my name. So I can go in there and I can say, uh, whether or not the, what was 20.1. Do you remember 20 point?

Sevan Matossian (20:29):

Let’s just say it’s a hundred burpees who cares. All

HillerFit (20:31):

Right. Let’s just say it was a hundred burpees and do a hundred burpees. Everyone has their score. Let’s say you Seon did it in five minutes. You go onto the CrossFit games website. You sub submit your score of five minutes and it just sits there at your affiliate. Let’s say it was CrossFit Seon. And I’m the guy who has to hit. Okay. It will just sit there until I hit. Okay. So you’re like, okay. I might CrossFit seven. I did my five minute hundred burpee score. And now I’m waiting for Andrew to validate my score as the affiliate reg person on the registration.

Sevan Matossian (21:01):

So that’s the third checkpoint. The athlete does the movements. That’s checkpoint one. The judge checks the movements. That’s checkpoint two. Now you have two people saying that the, that the video and the movements are good. And then the third is the affiliate owner. Correct? And then he hits the button and then it gets sent to Justin’s computer.

HillerFit (21:16):

It was typically, the workout would be announced on Thursday evening. And then Monday evening, you had to have your score in as the athlete. And then by Wednesday evening, myself as the person who validating scores at my affiliate, that was the point. Now what would happen is I’m sure everybody who was around then would know, it’s like, well, where’s rich phoning score. Where’s rich phoning score. I wanna see what he got on this a hundred burpee workout. You wouldn’t see it until like either minutes after that, or until whenever after Monday evening, because he didn’t want anybody else to see his scores. And it was almost the game that the affiliate owner played is. It’s like, all right, guys, when do you want me to have all of your scores go live? Some people would say they don’t give a shit. Some people are like, we want to wait till the absolute last minute. But there was always the affiliate owner sitting there validating the scores for the affiliate.

Sevan Matossian (22:03):

And that was, and, and you knew that since they didn’t have that final. And so, and so when Danny Sadel fucked up her workout, all three of those people, there were, um, ramifications for them. There was some athlete was told they couldn’t continue. The affiliate was told they couldn’t judge anymore for the rest of the year. And the judges told they couldn’t judge anymore for the rest of the year.

HillerFit (22:21):

That’s right.

Sevan Matossian (22:23):

And this year, um, uh, and, and this year, tell me about the process about open. Tell me about the process.

HillerFit (22:31):

As, as long as you, as long as you have an affiliate to your name, your score would immediately populate the leaderboard. So let’s say it was Friday at noon, you did your hundred birthdays. You go on crossfit.com. You signed in, you put your score in five minutes, right away. You could see where you stack up on the leaderboard. And then every year past you had to wait for me to validate your score. Like, Hey Andrew, what are you gonna validate my score? It’s like, well, either a, when I see your video or B, when I feel like it, which might be Monday night or Wednesday night, <laugh>,

Sevan Matossian (23:03):

It’s nuts. It’s nuts that they took out that rung. I wonder what year they did that. Um,

HillerFit (23:11):

I think it was, I think it was 20, 22 was the first, um, mm. It could be 2021 because it kind of coincided with COVID. And I, I remember chalking it up in my head saying the only reason that they would do this is because people are still not going to the affiliate and they, they don’t wanna like ding people for not like wanting to leave their houses.

Sevan Matossian (23:33):

I’m I’m gonna skip to the last video. This wasn’t supposed to come until the very end, but in the, in the, in the very last video that, uh, that I watched that Andrew made, it’s called to study, um, to study history means submitting yourself to chaos. I don’t understand the title, but that, oh, oh, that, and that’s the video that went up 21 hours ago. But in this video, Andrew proposes this idea. If you didn’t do the majority of the movements correctly, quote, there has to be a point of no return.

HillerFit (23:58):


Sevan Matossian (23:58):

That makes, does that make sense to you guys? I thought that was very well said when he said that. So here’s the deal in, in what would’ve happened? We know Sadel. Um, what was the workout? Do you remember that her five reps were

HillerFit (24:11):

<laugh>? Yeah, it was a 10 minute am. Rep of five shouldered overhead 1 15 75, uh, 10 deadlifts and 15 box jumps.

Sevan Matossian (24:20):

And do you remember what her total was?

HillerFit (24:22):

420 reps.

Sevan Matossian (24:23):

Okay. So that five, five reps that she didn’t do wrong is, is like one, uh, less than it’s just over 1% of the reps. She did poorly

HillerFit (24:32):

It’s minuscule in comparison to the amount of repetitions that were completed on that workout.

Sevan Matossian (24:38):


HillerFit (24:38):

The parallel we can draw as you see the Tia Tomi workout, which I believe is a hundred, 1000, 220 reps, a hun, or it was a hundred dead lifts and a hundred burpees. So it was 200 reps and every single one of those dead lifts in my opinion does not count <laugh> because she’s doing that side to side.

Sevan Matossian (24:54):

And, and, and what about, what about the hip and steel and Danny Spiegel were those over 1% of the reps?

HillerFit (24:58):

Well, hip and steel doesn’t even complete a movement correctly. He does the pistols, which he wasn’t supposed to do. I show the muscle ups in that little blurb and those didn’t count the Danny Spiegel video. The thing that I keep on bringing up is that on the, the penalty page, like given out by CrossFit, it’s like the huge list it says on there that majority of muscle ups did not reach extension. And that does not each hip extension on the pistols. And then all of a sudden you’re reading it and it’s like, what did she do right on this workout.

Sevan Matossian (25:26):


HillerFit (25:26):

And then way back in 2013, you see that 1% of the repetitions were no good. And that was caused for invalidation and present day. You’re like, okay. So apparently she did 150 GD, sits for time, and they’re giving her a minor penalty, a major penalty.

Sevan Matossian (25:42):

Uh, so you guys, I wish I could provide you some facts. I don’t know. But two things I’m trying to, as Andrew says, all this, I’m asking myself, what has changed? What has changed?

HillerFit (25:54):

What has changed?

Sevan Matossian (25:56):

The only thing I can think of is, is Justin bergs at the helm.

HillerFit (25:59):

And it was Dave and

Sevan Matossian (26:00):

I, and I would argue that that’s a, that’s a stretch of the word helm. It’s fascinating.

HillerFit (26:07):

Is there something, is there something above him? So that like, cause apparently 2013 in those articles, you see, he’s the one to be saying we’ve removed the scores and now it’s 2022 and apparently he should have more power, but does he have more power or is there someone saying you cannot remove these scores?

Sevan Matossian (26:25):

No, no. There’s no one. There’s no one, like I would, I would, I’d be willing to bet. Um, I don’t know. I’d be willing to bet one of your testicles that, uh, that Justin answers to no one, he there’s, no, there’s no one that, that, yeah. He’s not answering to anyone

HillerFit (26:43):

Roger, that I I’m hoping that next year that they just, they don’t need to say shit this year, but next year they have to have like this huge, like commandment list. It’s like, these are the things that we’re gonna change this year as a result of last year. And then that’ll be good. I just wish they would start saying things like they do in their little writeups. It’s like we removed and Ella score that’s one instance and they wrote about it. They don’t do that at all anymore. Something happens and we’d never hear about it ever again. Right.

Sevan Matossian (27:10):

Uh, yeah. I, I, um, I, I, I don’t think, yeah, I agree with you. So I, I wanna go to, to something, uh, Ryan Ney called in on, uh, the last show that I think, uh, no Hiller wasn’t on, on it. It was a live calling show. And he called in and said that he was concerned that I was being negative and Hiller was being negative. And, and he, and he took it even further saying that,

HillerFit (27:30):

Oh, that was, that was Ryan.

Sevan Matossian (27:32):

Yeah. I,

HillerFit (27:33):

I heard that bit. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (27:35):

I, I wanna be very, very, very, very clear to call Andrew Hiller. Negative would be like to call someone who reports on the Armenian genocide negative. He is, I would say he’s more of a historian and an anthropologist in the CrossFit space than someone who’s negative.

HillerFit (27:58):

Go ahead and reread the, the title of that last video. You, you said it already.

Sevan Matossian (28:02):

Yeah. To study history means submitting yourself. Sorry. One more time I, to, to study history means submitting yourself to chaos. Is that what,

HillerFit (28:12):

What, what, what are we saying right now? Yeah. Justin Berg said that, that direct quote from Justin Berg.

Sevan Matossian (28:17):

That is

HillerFit (28:19):

No, I’m kidding. <laugh> oh,

Sevan Matossian (28:20):

Oh. I was like, holy shit. He’s taken it in the he’s. He’s manifested his own reality. Who, who did say that?

HillerFit (28:26):

I have no idea. I, I literally just like, I’m like, I’m gonna go look up some historical quotes and I, I, I would misquote it begins with an itch,

Sevan Matossian (28:34):

But, but, but I, but I see what you’re doing there. You’re basically saying, yeah, you’re, you’re saying that I’m a historian anthropologist and yeah. And you’re studying history.

HillerFit (28:40):

That’s it look at what they did and see how it goes.

Sevan Matossian (28:44):

And he’s putting context and relativity to, to all the workouts, to the movements, to the scoring, to the judging. It is. If this is a sport, there have to be rules and boundaries. There just have to be, or else it’s not a sport. It’s not the cornerstone. It’s the foundation of sports.

HillerFit (29:03):

How do you like that one? Um, if you don’t know history it’s as if you were born yesterday, if you were born yesterday, then any leader can tell you anything.

Sevan Matossian (29:10):

Yeah. Someone wrote that in the comments.

HillerFit (29:13):

It it’s just like the top thing that I put in the description.

Sevan Matossian (29:16):

Oh, oh yeah.

HillerFit (29:17):

Again, from who? I just, I just like it in relation to the point I was trying to drive across there. Howard

Sevan Matossian (29:22):

Howards Z, I think Howards. Z’s the founder of Starbucks. No, I’m joking.

HillerFit (29:25):

Oh yeah.

Sevan Matossian (29:25):

Hell yeah. Um, so, so a, a smart man knows the knows all the details, but a capable man who doesn’t have to be smart, puts them in context and relativity. And that’s what Andrew’s doing. I, I think it’s crazy to say that it’s negative. It probably feels negative if your name’s Justin Berg. I mean, you’re just getting just exposed at every turn.

HillerFit (29:49):

It depends on whose shoes you wanna put yourself in, right?

Sevan Matossian (29:52):

Yeah. Yeah.

HillerFit (29:53):

So if you, if you, if you just constantly think it’s like, well, how do you think Justin Berg feels? And it’s like, well, he has a choice to how he wants to.

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