#460 – Matt Dlugos

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Oh, oh, I give a no Adam, no introduction. Just two strange dudes met each other for the first time you guys are witnessing it. Bam. We’re live a giant dude in the midget. Hello. Good morning.

Matt Dlugos (00:12):

Good morning.

Sevan Matossian (00:14):

Thanks for doing this.

Matt Dlugos (00:16):

Of course. Thanks for having me.

Sevan Matossian (00:20):

Did you recommend a book that’s called? Of course I don’t have my phone here with me. I just started re I just started reading this new book and I’m trying to figure out who recommended it and I’m trying to figure out if I was watching some podcasts you were on and you recommended it. It, the author’s name is Bob Rotella.

Matt Dlugos (00:37):

Mm-hmm <affirmative>.

Sevan Matossian (00:39):

That is you.

Matt Dlugos (00:40):

Yep. Yeah. How champions think.

Sevan Matossian (00:42):

Yeah, I just started it’s a good read. Say it again.

Matt Dlugos (00:47):

I just said it’s a good read for

Sevan Matossian (00:49):

Sure. Holy cow. Holy cow. Um, do you have a favorite when you think of that book, do you have a favorite story in there? Like, like a, one of his anecdotal stories?

Matt Dlugos (01:00):

Uh, yeah. Um, he talks about tiger, um, like blocking out distractions. Mm-hmm <affirmative> by like putting and doing things while the TV’s playing, or like, while other things are going on in the background, I’m pretty sure this story was about putting in TVs. Um, but that like, learned that like taught him how to block out anything external. Um, and so like, whenever I’m going through the, uh, days in the gym, or just like going through nonstructural and, you know, you get some crappy music on or you get kids yelling, dogs, bark and whatever. Um, I always think back to that. And I’m like all, if tiger could put with, you know, fans roaring or the TV blasting, um, I can get through this piece.

Sevan Matossian (01:44):

Um, there’s this story? My, my, um, my wife was in India for six months taking a back bending course, like how you learn how to stand, and then you just bend all the way backwards and grab your ankles trip. Trippy. Right? Doesn’t seem like you and chippy <laugh>, but so she’s India and she’s sharing she’s she’s roommates with two other people and one of her and she’s downstairs with one of her housemates and one of her other housemates is upstairs and her housemates comes running down the stairs and goes, can you guys be quiet? I’m trying to meditate. And the premise of meditation is to watch your mind. It doesn’t matter whether it’s noisy or quiet, but it’s to watch your mind and your, and sensations in your body and not react to them. It doesn’t matter if I, yeah. A, a car is honking and it’s horn outside, or your neighbor’s fucking in the room next door, like that. It’s all about being present for it all true. And so it’s a, it kinda reminds me of that, right. That whole book is like, there’s some really deep, deep shit in there about reprogramming your subconscious.

Matt Dlugos (02:50):

Yeah. Well, and that’s what I, I like about golf, right. Is like golf is a super, super technical sport. And there are so many different variables to every single shot. Like when you listen to guys break it down, like Phil Kelson or, uh, breaks into Shambo, like the science that they put into golfing is fucking absurd. And it’s kind of the same as CrossFit, right? Like there is like, you got guy on OWS who science the shit out of workouts and like break down a movement to, it’s very like, and there’s so many different ways that you can do a movement. Like you can do thrusters paired with anything else in the world. Um, so I think that there are a lot of ways that you can, like a lot of things that you can pull from, you know, how golfers train, how golfers mentally prepare. Um, yeah, there’s a lot of carryover into the sport.

Sevan Matossian (03:41):

I was gonna ask you, I was gonna ask you about that too, where some of these ideas that I’m seeing in this book, how you were implementing them, but we had who Dayon, um, uh, Andre who Dayon for just a couple minutes, the other day after he won, he was walking like to a after party. And he said something that I, that I think I I’ve always known, but I just didn’t realize the value of it until it came out of some, his mouth that basically for him being good at CrossFit is about, I’m not gonna be able to, he, he used a better word than master master’s too ambiguous, but it was to master every movement to be as efficient as you can in every single movement. Mechanically.

Matt Dlugos (04:26):

Yeah. He talks about economy a lot,

Sevan Matossian (04:30):

Like economy, maybe that’s it too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matt Dlugos (04:33):

I love Andre, but yeah, dude’s totally right. I mean, there are so many different things that you have to be good at, but you have to like, know how to, it’s just like a putt, right? You have to know exactly how much power to give for each different putt. It’s just like a workout, right? Like if you’re doing a chipper with 50 reps, you gotta give a little bit more effort than a 21 15 9, where you’re just all out sprinting. So it’s a very interesting sport for sure.

Sevan Matossian (05:01):

Oh, would an example of that be, it’s funny, I’m gonna use the, I’m gonna use the, the pull up as the example, the example of that would be whether, obviously that the bar’s at the height that you train at, because that’s where you’re most efficient, but also would it be like not to get too much chin over the bar? Like, Hey, you’re using too much energy. Hey, all you need, this is the range of motion.

Matt Dlugos (05:23):

Yeah. This is,

Sevan Matossian (05:24):

This is it at the bottom? This is it at the top.

Matt Dlugos (05:27):

Yeah. And especially in competition, right? Like you kind of, you know, this, you kind of Teeter that line of like what of doing enough to get the rep and to get credited for the rep, but not to, I mean, there’s no reason I have to do a chess bar and touch like, you know, below my tips every single time. Right. Um, yeah, very interesting.

Sevan Matossian (05:49):

Um, there’s a, there’s a, uh, part in that book where he talks about, uh, a BA I don’t know, baseball at all, but he talks about a baseball player, Greg Maddox. And he says, he’s like an incredible pitcher. And he says that the, the baseline for just like an ass pitcher in major league baseball is 90 miles an hour. You have to have that. But this guy in this prime didn’t have a 90 mile an hour pitch. And yet he was one of the greatest, if not the greatest pitcher to ever live. And he made up for it with, uh, accuracy. He could hit it at the, get the ball anywhere on the plate at any time. And, uh, and, um, speed change the ball, which is just crazy to me that,

Matt Dlugos (06:26):

Yeah, can’t wrap my head around some of that. No,

Sevan Matossian (06:29):

I can’t wrap my head around that either. Um, and then, and then, but, but, but when I heard these, I was wondering how you apply. I couldn’t think of ways to apply that to CrossFit. I, you you’ve, you’ve now brought up a couple, um, and I’m not that far into the book. I’m, I’m listening to it and I’m a, it’s an eight hour, listen, I’m about two hours into it. But the other thing that, that really is the driving point so far in the first two hours of this book is that you should always wanna be the best.

Matt Dlugos (07:03):

Yeah. I think that’s pretty. Yeah. That’s uh that’s um,

Sevan Matossian (07:07):

But it’s crazy.

Matt Dlugos (07:09):

Yeah. But anybody who, who endeavors or, you know, who goes down the endeavor that we do right. At a professional level, obviously you’re putting all of your, you’re pushing all of your trips into something. Um, right. And I don’t know why you would go out to a competition or like train every day and do make all the sacrifices that we do. If you’re, if you don’t want to be the best, like if you’re not doing it to

Sevan Matossian (07:38):

Be the best, well here to say all the time, I just wanna make it to the games, or I just want a podium. And I had a dude on the other day, who’s an in, I had a dude on yesterday, who’s an in or two days ago, who’s an insane basketball player. Right. He’s, he’s six, two. And he wants to go to the, and he’s in the NBA, finally, he’s in their G league. And, uh, but his goal, he made these goals in like sections. I wanna be a division one scholarship athlete. I wanna go to the NBA. Like he didn’t, but why not just set it right away to be like, Hey, I wanna be the six time CrossFit games champion. And, um, and, uh, talk shit about Matt Fraser when I’m on the podium.

Matt Dlugos (08:11):

Yeah. It’s true. I mean, I think you have to have, you have to have those kind of timely or just like, uh, obviously being the best is gonna be your end goal. Right? And like, when you get to the end of your career, you wanna be able to say that, but along the way, there have to be, you know, different little check marks that you hit, right. And different things that you can accomplish, um, and that you can set your site towards. So I talk about this with, I’ve talked about this with my dad before, he’s always given me the example of like, when you’re driving down the road towards your goal, obviously that’s the end destination, right? Like that’s plugged into the GPS, but along that way, you know, you’re gonna come across potholes. You’re gonna come stop running in front of you. You’re gonna have cars stopping and starting and all that kind of stuff.

Matt Dlugos (08:54):

So you have to be like constantly aware of what’s happening right in front of you. Right. Like have a, not a three foot focus, but have like a pretty, uh, close focus with your goals. And so I feel like that’s exactly, you know, what that, what that basketball player is doing, or like even what I do, right. Like I want to be best. I want to be the best I can be. Um, and so there are a couple different like checkpoints that I wanna hit along that way. So yeah. I think it’s, that’s just an interesting part of goal setting.

Sevan Matossian (09:25):

Did you ever have a drive that you did that was like, you did it every day or five days a week and it was like 40 miles each direction.

Matt Dlugos (09:33):

Mm 40. No, no, not really.

Sevan Matossian (09:38):

I, I had, I had one of those for years and, um, and, and that those trips are always breaking down, broken down into sections, like this section, right?

Matt Dlugos (09:47):

Like you hit one landmark and

Sevan Matossian (09:48):

Then yeah. And there’s like different things in there. One time I did one 20 here. This is the spot where I locked up the brakes. Oh, this is the place where I always want to pass the traffic. I know people, this is where all the dumb shits get on the freeway go over here. Like, it was like broken down to like little countries, like little like yeah, like a video game, but you’re right. There were like, and then, and then when you’re in the last segment, you’re like, oh shit, I’m almost there. I should, you know, like, I’m about to go into the classroom. I should make sure, you know, I’m ready.

Matt Dlugos (10:12):

Yeah. But then you like, look back, you get to you get to the classroom. And then you’re like, okay, cool. Like I made it, like, I did it, I did what I wanted to, but I wouldn’t have been able to do that until I passed this thing. Or until I, you know, hit one 20 on this, on this straight away. Yeah, for sure.

Sevan Matossian (10:28):

There’s, he, he describes the, the lifestyle of these athletes as like almost, um, monastic

Matt Dlugos (10:37):


Sevan Matossian (10:38):

That, that, um, that’s a term. I’ll look up exactly what it means, but, but basically you, you become a man. You’re, you’re, you’re a, um, you’re a, I’m too smart for myself too. You’re a, you’re basically a man of relating to monks nuns or others living under religious vows. So

Matt Dlugos (10:57):

What do you think about that?

Sevan Matossian (10:59):

Yeah, he says, he says, he says, so I never think of myself as confident ever, ever, ever. I’ve never in my head, man. I’m a confident person. I, I think probably the opposite, I think, holy fuck. I’m so fucking insecure. Like that’s how I kind of live, but, but it comes outta my mouth so easily that I’m gonna be the greatest podcaster comedian who ever lived like, from like how I’m doing it.

Matt Dlugos (11:20):


Sevan Matossian (11:20):

<affirmative> I just, it just comes outta my mouth. It’s just the goal. Yeah. There can’t be any other way. And there’s only, and these people who are great there’s he says in the book, there’s only three things that really matter to these people consistently the really great ones, their health, their family, and whatever their practice is. And outside of that, they’re kind of like, fuck you. And I was like, wow, that’s me. I only care. Like I spend six hours a day on my podcast and six hours a day with my boys.

Matt Dlugos (11:47):


Sevan Matossian (11:48):

And then, and I, and then one and anywhere I can squeeze it. Like if they’re running sprints, I run sprints. I just make sure that I work out with them or whatever they’re doing. I try to do it.

Matt Dlugos (11:55):


Sevan Matossian (11:56):

And that sounds kind of like your life. What

Matt Dlugos (12:00):

I said is that for your health.

Sevan Matossian (12:01):

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Or like, like when I’m preparing for Matt, Degos, I’m like, okay, I’m gonna get on the assault bike and watch like an hour worth of interviews he’s done in the past. But like, but there has to be, there has to be that crossover. Yeah. And then other than that, it’s just sleep.

Matt Dlugos (12:17):


Sevan Matossian (12:19):

Um, pretty much is, is that, would you say that sums up your life too?

Matt Dlugos (12:23):

Yeah, for sure. Um, you know, there’s, there’s not much else outside of CrossFit. Um, which is fine. I love it. Like I love the sport. Um, I love the idea of becoming the best version of myself. And I know that there’s a lot left in that tank of possibility. So I don’t know why I’m talking with my hands, but, um, I know that there’s a lot left in that tank of possibility. So I think that it’s a really, really cool pursuit too, because it’s like, you’re literally trying to see how good of a human being, like how good of a machine of a human being you can become, which is crazy to see some of the things that are possible. But, um, it’s just a really, yeah. It’s, it’s a, it’s kind of like a modest endeavor. Like you just, you get up, you’ll work out, you eat a lot of food, you stretch, walk my dog a lot. And that’s about it.

Sevan Matossian (13:18):

I’m looking up the word mod modest.

Matt Dlugos (13:22):

Like it’s not, it’s not flashy. It’s not

Sevan Matossian (13:25):

Well, right.

Matt Dlugos (13:30):

Especially in Vegas. Right? Like you don’t see me, like, like, you know, I’m not like wearing, like, I mean, I have a necklace, but I’m not wearing like big diamond rings and like gold chains. And you know, I’m not like in Gucci, walking around or going to the clubs, spending a bunch of money, crap like that. Like, you know, I’m sure there’s a time for that. But until you get to the top, like you can’t, there’s not much celebrating to do right now. You know,

Sevan Matossian (13:55):

What necklace do you have?

Matt Dlugos (13:57):

It’s a wing. It’s this little gold chain with a, a wing pendant.

Sevan Matossian (14:04):

Why do you have that? Do you listen?

Matt Dlugos (14:06):

Um, there’s an artist, a musical artist named Mac Miller. Um,

Sevan Matossian (14:11):

Oh yeah. He

Matt Dlugos (14:12):

Passed away now. Yep. But he has this song called wings. And so for me, it’s, it’s a reminder to find something beautiful every day that like, no matter how the day went, so I can find something beautiful in that day, that’s gonna lift up my spirits. That’s gonna lift me up to, you know, to realize that like, life is beautiful, right? Like life is such a gift for everybody.

Sevan Matossian (14:38):

Yeah. You think I’m gonna get in trouble for playing this

Speaker 3 (14:40):

Ever been real. So damn where I’m at. I don’t know what it’s all about. Running through the many thoughts

Sevan Matossian (14:47):

Count. I’m a huge rap fan, but I don’t, I don’t know any Mac Miller’s stuff. I just, I just, he died was the first time I had heard of him.

Matt Dlugos (14:53):

Yeah. This is a great album. Um, I don’t know your musical taste. The divine feminine is really good. Um,

Sevan Matossian (15:00):

I like the name of it circle.

Matt Dlugos (15:02):


Sevan Matossian (15:03):

Like the name of great

Matt Dlugos (15:03):

Music. Great, great music.

Sevan Matossian (15:06):

You work out to it.

Matt Dlugos (15:08):


Sevan Matossian (15:11):

Mellow. Say it again.

Matt Dlugos (15:13):

I said, it’s nice and mellow. It’s like very relaxing

Sevan Matossian (15:17):

In your interview with Jared. I saw you do this thing where you closed the door from the top.

Matt Dlugos (15:23):


Sevan Matossian (15:24):

And they have this very, very, very close friend. Who’s who’s, who’s also six, four, and he’s the only other human being I’ve seen do it. And I just remember in high school, he would always do that and it would make me one I’d be like, wow, that’s something I’ll never do. Close the door from the top. And man, that makes me anxious. Cause there’s why. Cause there’s the timing component. You gotta get your hand out of there.

Matt Dlugos (15:44):

I mean that door’s open doing a

Sevan Matossian (15:47):

No no’s good. No, no, no. I’m good. I’m not anxious right now. But I saw you do that. I was like, wow. I’ve only seen one other human being the

Matt Dlugos (15:53):

World. Yeah, I do that a lot. I don’t know why

Sevan Matossian (15:56):

Close the door from the top. It’s

Matt Dlugos (15:58):


Sevan Matossian (15:58):

Probably, you know, it’s dusty, you know, it’s dusty up there too. You’re the only person who ever touches up there.

Matt Dlugos (16:03):

I always have to walk, wash my fingers

Sevan Matossian (16:05):

After you close the door like that. Yeah. How, how old are you, Matt?

Matt Dlugos (16:09):

I just turned 25 quarter of a century.

Sevan Matossian (16:13):

Do you feel a, a clock ticking? Do you feel young or do you feel old or do you feel, um, you’re running out of time or, or

Matt Dlugos (16:21):

I feel that clock from stranger things. No, I’m just kidding. Uh, I feel great. I don’t notice that stuff at all. <laugh> I don’t even really, sometimes I don’t even really remember how old I am. Like when people ask me I’ll be like, uh, 25. It just doesn’t. I don’t think about it ever.

Sevan Matossian (16:40):

Are, are, are you, do you feel health? Like the healthiest you’ve ever felt?

Matt Dlugos (16:44):

Yeah, I feel great.

Sevan Matossian (16:46):

Yeah. I’m trying to remember what it, it’s kind of like to be, um, to be 25. There’s a, um, what do you think about all the young guys in your sport? The young guys and girls, do you think of them as young? Like, oh shit. There’s that, that dude’s only 22. Like, like isn’t the champ. How old Justin? Maderas he’s only 22, right?

Matt Dlugos (17:05):

Yeah. Yeah. Well, whenever I got in CrossFit, I got in at a younger age. So like my first couple years competing on a team, I was like 18, 19 years old. And so I was always like, oh, I’m the young one. Like I’m, I’m young in the sport. I’m young, whatever. Um, even whenever I would go train, like when I met Carrie for the first time and met Bethany and Danielle, I was like, oh yeah, I’m I’m young. And now you see guys like do and James and like Emma Carey, and even Alex GZA, 20 years old. It’s like, what the hell? These kids like, I mean like, seriously, these kids, like, they’re good. Like they’re really, really good. Like those boys down at the boot camp are insane for being 20 it’s

Sevan Matossian (17:47):

And there’s people, Madera seems two, but in the interviews I see like Alex GZA, she’s like a woman already.

Matt Dlugos (17:53):

Yeah. She’s very,

Sevan Matossian (17:55):

She seems like wise and mature and shit. I’m like, holy cow.

Matt Dlugos (17:59):

She’s definitely, she definitely has like her ditzy side still. You’ll see when you talk to her, can’t wait, but yeah. She’s she is composed, you know, and I think that that’s kind of a trait among, you know, CrossFitters, right. It’s like, you’re kind of in a, in a situation that is a little bit more mature. Like you’ve got moms going to your classes or you’ve got, you know, you’re teaching a 60 year old man how to squat. And it’s like, you’re kind of forced to be a little bit more mature, even just as far as like how you communicate with them.

Sevan Matossian (18:28):

So yeah, that, that’s interesting. You said that at 20, I would’ve never, ever fucking hung around anyone who’s 50 or 60, but if you’re a, CrossFitter not only are you in a class with a Filipino to your right and a guy to your left wearing a turban, you’re also with two grandmas and a and an in a it’s the whole.

Matt Dlugos (18:47):

Yeah. And then the other,

Sevan Matossian (18:48):

The whole smorgasboard. Yeah,

Matt Dlugos (18:50):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s definitely, it’s definitely a very interesting dynamic being in, across the gym. So I think like these kids that have been there since their teens and that’s just like natural to them, right? Like they talk to, they talk to you the same, no matter what your background is, what your age is, anything like that. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (19:08):

My mom used to tell me that, um, she didn’t go to the, the, at her first gym. This is a bunch of years ago. She’s 78 now. But she used to not go to the, um, uh, weekend partner classes. Like every weekend, her gym had partner classes cuz she felt bad. Like she was slowing someone down. I’m like, mom, they don’t give, no one gives a fuck. That just means they have to work harder in their, if they get more rest, that means they just get a different stimulus and they just work harder in their section and now she gets it. It’s like,

Matt Dlugos (19:32):

Yeah. Yeah. And I don’t really know anybody that ever went hard on those partner workouts. Usually that was like social hour.

Sevan Matossian (19:42):

Um, you you’re you’re training under Justin Kotler.

Matt Dlugos (19:46):


Sevan Matossian (19:46):

<affirmative> and it’s under dogs athletics.

Matt Dlugos (19:49):


Sevan Matossian (19:52):

And would you, would you say that in like in this book, um, that, uh, Bob Rotella wrote that you have that, um, what I think is this special sauce as just persistence?

Matt Dlugos (20:08):

Yeah. Um,

Sevan Matossian (20:14):

Do it say it Matt?

Matt Dlugos (20:15):

Well, well, so this, I don’t know. I don’t know if do you’s video, there’s a cross the video. There’s a cross the video that talks about patience. I don’t know like what your relationship is. If you love like CrossFit, hate it or pissed off whatever. But

Sevan Matossian (20:32):

There’s think of me as an angry little man.

Matt Dlugos (20:35):

Okay. That’s fair. And that’s what I,

Sevan Matossian (20:39):

I love CrossFit. It saved my life and it saved my family’s life and it changed it it’s um, by saved. I mean it’s, it’s, it’s the great, it’s it’s one besides being born. It’s one of the greatest things that ever happened to me. It allows me to live longer and do good things on this planet. Yeah. Cause my mom and my kids and my wife, I mean, shit, doesn’t get better than that.

Matt Dlugos (21:02):

Which is like

Sevan Matossian (21:05):

Anna, it made me, we, Anna, it made me wealthy. Don’t forget about that. That’s important too. That helps.

Matt Dlugos (21:09):

Yes. But I think if you ask anybody, that’s definitely, or at least like at this much with this much involvement in crossed, it’s like, yeah, it definitely saved, it saved my life. Like I was not gonna be down going down this path. Um, anyways, what were we talking about?

Sevan Matossian (21:26):

You were gonna say something. You were gonna say something I wanna see if I, if you can remember, and if I can get it outta you, we were talking about, oh, go ahead.

Matt Dlugos (21:33):

Yes. Sorry. I know, uh, it was, there’s a patience video, um, that just talks about like, you know, the, the patience that it takes to become successful. Um, and I think if you look at any great athlete, like Matt Frazier, for sure, but you know, you go into other sports and you look at tiger woods or you look at, you know, a Kobe Bryant that puts in 10,000 hours into their craft. Um, that’s where I feel like I’m at is like working towards that 10,000 mark. Um, and I know that, you know, if I stick with it long enough, good things will come. Um, and I think if you look at the guys who are really good, like they have stuck with it. Like, you know, I saw a statistic that there’s nine or that there’s three athletes with nine games trips this year, which is crazy.

Matt Dlugos (22:19):

Um, and that seems like something that continues to happen. Right. It’s like these guys, like Travis Mayer, right? Like he was a great dude. I loved, you know, being able to compete with him at granite games. Um, and just talking to him about like the process of what it’s been like, cause he started in 2013 or maybe before then, but maybe to the games in like 20 13, 20 14. And it’s like crazy to think about eight years later, he’s still doing it. Like he’s still going back, he’s got four kids and he’s still, you know, kicking ass CrossFit, like making us look silly. Um, so I think it is one of those things where if you are really bought in and you just continue to put in that work day after day, like it’ll, it will come

Sevan Matossian (23:02):

That when he talks about persistence in the book, I’m tripping a little bit because he talks about burnout with other athletes. But what I think I did, I, I think I hurt myself,

Sevan Matossian (23:16):

I think. And he, and he talks about like the importance of like, even though, even though it’s not enough, just if you wanna be the best golfer in the world, it’s not enough to golf three hours a day. He still says like, you know, he has no problem. If every six weeks you wanna take a week off. But I, I think with myself, like I hurt myself. I was getting up in the morning doing a workout then in the afternoon doing a workout. And then at night before I go to bed, do a workout and just stupid shit. You know what I mean? Like dead lifting every single day. Yeah. And with, with, with, with CrossFit, I feel like there’s a, a level you have to be persistent, but you have to, um, part of that persistence has to be healing.

Matt Dlugos (23:50):

Yeah. Very much. I’ve noticed that my entire routine has changed to pretty much revolve around recovery. Um, like the little things that we talk about and the things that we wanna be consistent with. Like I trust Justin with all of my strength and like every, every programming piece, you know, you do get me strong enough.

Sevan Matossian (24:09):


Matt Dlugos (24:10):


Sevan Matossian (24:12):

We’ll come back to that. I’m gonna make a note. I wanna ask you about that. I always wondered what Justin does. Okay. So he’s, he’s a giant brain.

Matt Dlugos (24:18):

He’s a big brain. Okay. Big brain. Um, but so

Sevan Matossian (24:23):


Matt Dlugos (24:24):

Recovery. Yeah. So like a lot of my routines now are focused on, you know, uh, are focused on getting the most out of my body and getting the most to be able to go back in the gym the next day and perform. So it’s like being consistent with, with those things too. Makes a huge difference. Yeah. A world of difference. I mean, it’s crazy.

Sevan Matossian (24:47):

There, there’s a friend of mine who I, I think took second place at one of the CrossFit games. And um, he told me that he would’ve won the CrossFit games. If he didn’t ha smoke so much weed, he said he smoking weed like 10 times a day. And, and in that book, it talks about like, if you’re having any struggles or hiccups, it’s because you have some bad habits mm-hmm <affirmative> that you need to change and get rid of like, do, are you constantly like watching those too? Like make sure no bad habits sneak in.

Matt Dlugos (25:15):

Yeah. I mean, I think it’s like Carrie, um, it’s

Sevan Matossian (25:21):

Super simple. Carrie Carrie Pierce, right?

Matt Dlugos (25:23):

Yeah. Carrie Pierce. Yeah. Okay. Um, so KP and I were talking about that one day and she put it really simply, cuz Carrie’s just a very like simple but stoic person. And so she was just like, yeah, whenever I was do, whenever I would do stuff, I would just like ask myself, is this helping me towards my goal? And if it wasn’t then I just, then I wouldn’t do it. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I was like, oh, is that simple? Cool. But when you think about it like that, right. Like, you know, it, it, it does kind of make sense. Like, do you wanna be out at the club out, like out at a bar all night or, or going downtown on the strip? Um, or do you want to be making it and winning the cross? The games. And I think if you think about it in terms of that, like, if you think about it, big picture and you realize like some of the things that do serve you and some of the things that don’t, um, it makes all those decisions really easy.

Sevan Matossian (26:16):

I man, you nailed it. EV every single, um, story, every everything that happens in my life now, whether it’s me doing it or someone else doing it is, is I turn into moving things forward. So I’ll give you an example. Um, there was, there are these two parents for two years, they made their kids wear masks to, um, uh, my son’s tennis academy. And three days a week, they show up there and the kids are masked and the kids are masked and the kids arrest and those parents, and I got into it with a couple of those parents. I don’t sit by those group of parents, but one time they came over to me and they were like talking about the vaccine. I’m like only an idiot would get the vaccine. And they got mad at me. They got fuck. And, and I don’t blame. ’em like, they, they all, they believed in it. Well, just the other day, I’m listening to ’em talk and they’re, and, and they’re talking about how fucked up the vaccine is and how fucked up it is to put masks on your kids. And I’m like, mm-hmm <affirmative> oh, this is gonna be a good story for my podcast.

Matt Dlugos (27:08):

We know what same parents that

Sevan Matossian (27:09):

Were. Yeah. Same parents. Yeah.

Matt Dlugos (27:11):


Sevan Matossian (27:11):

Things change. <laugh> things change. But, but, and, and, and I have a friend who’s telling me, Hey, man, you gotta let people off the hook. You gotta, but it’s funny. Like can turn all of these things now that happen to me in my life. You know what I mean? Like if I’m somewhere and a bird hits on me, it’s not bad. It’s now a story. And so I’m tying this to what you were saying. Like, if it’s not, if it’s not benefiting your life then, or, or benefiting your goals to win the CrossFit games, to sit at the top of the podium,

Matt Dlugos (27:41):


Sevan Matossian (27:41):

<affirmative> then, then,

Matt Dlugos (27:45):

Well, so here, this is gonna maybe kind of get a little bit, a little bit deep, but I love it. Especially at 7:30 AM, um, that’s kind of life, right? Like life is a journey and there is nothing that really like, nothing that really just happens to you. Right? Like things, I think things kind of happen for a reason. Like obviously if a bird hit someone wouldn’t walk outside, it’s probably not like a deeper reason for that. But I feel like a lot of the interactions, a lot of the relationships, I have a lot of the condition, you know, that I have with people, like all those things are teaching me lessons that I can then use. Maybe it’s a month down the road, maybe it’s five years down the road. Like yeah. If you’re able to kind of be aware and be present and take inventory of those things while they happen.

Matt Dlugos (28:32):

That’s when I feel like you kind of really realize like the beauty in life and the beauty and like, what life does for you or what life can do for you. Um, rather than just kind of going through it, making the same mistakes eight times, and then being like, oh, well, why didn’t I, you know, looking back and having regrets basically, you know, like that’s, that’s where I feel like people aren’t present is people that don’t understand what’s happening to them. Um, and you know, kind of use that to, to make the changes that they need to.

Sevan Matossian (29:01):

It took me so long to realize that you, you opened 75, 75, you opened 600 peanut butter jars in your life. You, the only one you remember is the one you opened. And there was a used condom in there all the other 599 get thrown away. This one fucked up peanut is the only one. And I start, I don’t know when it was maybe like five years ago, but now it’s gotten really strong. Now that I have a podcast and I’m always looking for stories to tell, um, now it’s like, you, you, you want to, um, be riding in the Uber and the guy throws up on the seat. You don’t want just a regular Uber ride anymore. You know what I mean? You want it, but, um, you wanna be in the seven 11 when someone runs through their naked, like, it’s your life. Instead of being like, Ooh, that’s gross or I can’t believe it. It’s like, wow, that’s interesting that, you know, I just saw the world’s the biggest cockroach I’ve ever seen. It’s not gross. Now it’s a story. And it, it everything’s enriching my life.

Matt Dlugos (29:58):

Do you find yourself doing that?

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