#456 HillerFit Review Show | Is Hiller a Bully?

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam. We’re live. There’s two comments on, um, Instagram on my Instagram that I wanted to read. One of them. I wanted to, I wanted to hear your opinion on. Let’s see. Um,

Andrew Hiller (00:13):

I was listening to your, it took me a while to get through that hunter one, I would just listen to like 20 or 30 minutes at a time. Yeah. And you love, you love the comments you like get in there and you like review people’s profiles and then you comment on ’em. So you’ve got a little bit of something to the comment that was funny.

Sevan Matossian (00:32):

I’ve put together like whole, like attacks on people. Like, like they write something negative and I do a whole like fucking spend, like 35 minutes, like looking into their Instagram account and all this stuff. But then I always, I never do it. I try to make it funny. The funny part, of course, I love the people who make fun of me, but then I go into their account and I see like pictures of them getting the shot and wearing masks and just doing, participating in the fucking, the tared this

Andrew Hiller (01:01):

You’ve got

Sevan Matossian (01:02):

By the way, by the way, does those of you who are offended by the word retard or tard? It’s not an offensive word. It’s it’s not an offensive word. If you were, if you were to let’s say, um, uh, plant some things in your backyard and then you were to step on one of them, which I’ve done before and, and you break the stem, but it doesn’t kill the plant. And it starts growing off in a direction you’ve retarded its growth. I, I, I, I don’t even find that word in the slightest bit offensive or in,

Andrew Hiller (01:27):

When was the first time you ever were approached? You having used that offensively? Like someone looks at you differently or

Sevan Matossian (01:34):

Only, only in the last 10 years. Here’s a guy drew he Henderson. Uh, cuz he’s upset. Cause I used the word retardation. It’s like, like quiet, quiet. Just because your vocabulary doesn’t just because you for fair burn books for a living, just leave me alone. <laugh> there’s someone in here there. I, sorry. Sorry. I, I wish I would’ve. Um, I wish I would’ve been more prepared for this. I promise you I’m prepared for a bunch of other stuff, but there, there there’s a guy in the comments. He’s basically saying, oh, here it is. Okay, here it is ready. The games could be better. But all this CrossFit hate is very concerning. It’s like we chastise the mob mentality. We label the CrossFit games as a failure. All this complaining and toxicity is not going to make them better because of the negative videos and bitching.

Sevan Matossian (02:18):

We are going to see a steep drop in open participation. Next year, this is going to limit revenue for the very things. The bitching is about better judging, better training. What I agree. There’s been some big mistakes is the toxicity. Now he’s that? He you’ve used that word twice. Now. Now I’m just getting the woke vibe is the toxicity and seemingly vengeful complaint. Now he’s analyzing me as being vengeful, really supportive of the better CF games experience for both the fans and the athletes. I do not have the answer, but there are some big names that could be out there helping this cause making the games better without just throwing daggers at the people, running the games, absence of Dave, it’s still an awesome experience. It’s still an all, all inclusive. It’s still CrossFit.

Andrew Hiller (03:00):

And your immediate take is Mr.

Sevan Matossian (03:02):

Mr. Um, I know that’s on my account, but I’m gonna pretend that was for you too. Um, no, what I, no, that’s what I wanna know. What is your immediate take?

Andrew Hiller (03:10):


Sevan Matossian (03:11):

My immediate take. That’s not about me. That’s about you. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (03:15):

Uh, no, I think it’s about what we’re doing together, I suppose. Uh, I very largely take that personally because, uh, I don’t know if I should take it personally because when you take things personally, all of a sudden you’re on the, uh, defensive and I’m not defensive about it. I just don’t understand. I made a video once speaking about my swim team history and when I was on swim team, I remember they would give you a, a rainbow ribbon. It’s like, oh, nice job. You participated in this event. And it’s like, I don’t want that. It’s like, and then they would, they would give you, it’s like, Hey, here’s your handful of rainbow ribbons? And it’s like, all right, where’s the blue one for first place. That’s the only one that I want. And when I hear people using a bunch of that verbiage, what I hear is, oh, they’re doing everything they can, it’s a good job. Here’s a bunch of rainbow ribbons. It’s like, but really I think that they should be shooting for the best, like, which is what I was accustomed to, which is where most of the fuel for what I come from stems from, which is they would always be trying to do the best. And I think you put up that thing with Dave at the, the press conference, it was 2012 or so. And it’s like, Hey,

Sevan Matossian (04:15):

We’ll be ready.

Andrew Hiller (04:17):

2013, we’ll be ready for this. We’ll be ready

Sevan Matossian (04:18):

For this. That comment is from that post.

Andrew Hiller (04:21):

Is it okay? Yeah. Um, and right now, I don’t know if you wanna talk about the press conference yesterday at all, but it doesn’t seem as if they, they say we’ll be ready for this. We’re ready for that. It seems as if they say something this way and then they say something this way and, and what they do then is they sit in the rainbow ribbon world.

Sevan Matossian (04:40):

Um, I, I wanna play the, uh, intro of this to you. Um, so, so I’ll just make a quick response to it.

Andrew Hiller (04:50):

Don’t know. I,

Sevan Matossian (04:51):

I guess I don’t, I guess I don’t care that if I’m being negative, it’s not my intention to be negative, but someone sent me that video. I think Hiller was also on the thread in my DMS, that video from 2013. And it just made me realize that like, Hey, none of this is true anymore. I know that like Dave says in there, all the stuff that, that we did under Greg’s leadership, we weren’t concerned with growth. We were concerned with doing what’s right. We weren’t concerned with chasing money. We were concerned with being excellent. And there’s just all of these things he said, and those things aren’t nonexistent anymore over at CrossFit. That’s not the way it’s run anymore. And I think it’s totally fair. I said that. And if it upset you and it’s negative, I, I hear you. I, I, I hear you. I, I, I hear you. And if what you were saying is valid, if there was some,

Sevan Matossian (05:37):

Yeah, I, I, I, I hear you. I don’t want to just be spewing, uh, venom. That is absolutely not what I want to be doing. But, um, and, and you’re only one comment out of 120 that we’re like, good job. But, but that, that, I’m not a consensus guy. Anyway. Maybe the other 19 people just like negativity. So who the fuck knows, but I, but I would do so straight back to the negative. I want you to hear this. This is the, this is the, they call it to CrossFit semifinals, press conference. It was definitely 100% not a press conference. So it’s a disingenuous name and it’s just opens up with a lie. There we go. You think that I, if you think I shouldn’t point that out, I, I don’t know what to tell you, but I know what a press conference is. I’ve been to plenty of press conferences. I’ve been to plenty of, plenty of CrossFits press conferences. I watch press conferences every week from other sports, specifically, the UFC, this is 100% not a press conference. This is a propaganda conference.

Andrew Hiller (06:26):

The biggest difference being loaded questions, uh, uh, they recorded it to be put out later

Sevan Matossian (06:33):

That every, that everyone’s not welcome, that, that, that the real and that the real press isn’t welcome. And that it was in that it’s being announced. Um, I, I don’t know if this one was announced on morning chocolate, but how, how was anyone sup how could you not? How could you, did you receive an email inviting you?

Andrew Hiller (06:50):

Yeah, I denied it.

Sevan Matossian (06:51):

Oh, you did?

Andrew Hiller (06:52):

No, I’m kidding. I didn’t get one. No, I got you though. No, of course they didn’t invite me. They didn’t invite you. They don’t, they hate us.

Sevan Matossian (06:58):

Yeah. They have our email. And I wanna tell you, I wanna tell you something else too. Very, very, very clearly. There was a time there were two people. Well, well, I wanna tell you one thing about Justin Lefranco Justin Lefranco had a newsletter and he wanted to come to the CrossFit games as media. And I was the media director and he contacted me and I’ve invited him. And I got him in there with the best VIP access ever that you could get basically. And this was before, uh, morning chocolate was like, anything. Not that it’s anything now, but that that’s what, that, that that’s, that, that’s how I handle it. Flash forward a few years. And when, when, um, um, the meme wad guy and, um, Armen hammer were, um, just on full blasting, just, just attacking Dave, like, like fucking psychopaths. They, um, there was discussion on whether they should be allowed to come to the CrossFit games and there’s people in the current administration now.

Sevan Matossian (08:00):

And one guy that’s been fired that some of you think has been promoted. Um, who, who told Dave and, and, um, no, they, you can’t stop media just because you don’t like what they say about you, but either way this all like, please take, no, I am not upset that I didn’t get invited. I’m actually happy, cuz it’s just more, um, fuel for content. But, but so, you know, this is a lie coming just straight outta HQ. And it really sucks that my friend Adrian Bosman is, is, is on the face of such a, a bold lie. They’re taking a man with great integrity, great character, someone I really like who I know has no pure in how hard he works and using him as the face of a li of a lie. If I was him, I would be like, Hey, you gotta change the tint name of this video. I don’t wanna be on a video. That’s just opens up with a lie, but listen to what fucking comes outta Justin Berg’s mouth right here. This is fucking just garbage. Here we go.

Speaker 3 (08:58):

Seven finals, press availability. As we’ve talked about in the past, um, we’re going

Sevan Matossian (09:03):

Call that’s Andrew. That’s Andrew Weinstein, by the way, that’s their PR guy. Um, CrossFit, net. We never had anything. We never had PR guys. When I worked there, you, you, we didn’t need PR guys. If someone needed to know something, the CEO, Greg Glassman would fucking speak to the world directly to the fucking affiliates. We didn’t, we didn’t have a PR guy on, how did that work out for you? Well, he’s rich as fuck. And the rest of us are stuck with fucking Justin Berg and Andrew Weinstein. That’s how it worked out.

Speaker 3 (09:31):

That’s a good question. I will open your line. So your mic will be live as many folks as possible. Over the,

Sevan Matossian (09:38):

The last press conference I was at was at the CrossFit games in 2018, 1920 something, 18, 19, something like that. There were fucking 300 people there. Now this is just,

Andrew Hiller (09:47):

I’m mentioning to hear what this is actually about. What do, what are we waiting? What are we

Sevan Matossian (09:51):

Waiting for? This is, um, this, this was like every single person they call half the people they called. And this is from the morning chalk up.

Andrew Hiller (09:58):

Did you hear they call Brian friend from the Sivan podcast?

Sevan Matossian (10:01):

Yes I did. That was nice of them. Okay, here, here we go.

Speaker 4 (10:06):

Uh, welcome guys. This is part of our commitment that we started at the beginning of the year to make ourselves more available at a regular cadence to the press,

Sevan Matossian (10:14):

More available to the cadence there, if a no, no, actually you’re completely unavailable to Hiller and I, and um, and, and we are the press. So, so line number one, God, I wish we had one of your little counters,

Speaker 4 (10:28):

Um, and other and members of our community

Sevan Matossian (10:30):

And, and other members of our community. So this isn’t just a press conference. This is for press and other members of our community.

Andrew Hiller (10:37):

Well, they did put it live this time for everyone to see 6,000 views. It’s almost got one fifth of my latest video.

Speaker 4 (10:43):

<laugh> um,

Sevan Matossian (10:44):

Where they’re all here to see Adrian, by the way,

Speaker 4 (10:46):

Wanna start is by kind of framing where we are. So we’re excited. We’ve just wrapped up four weeks of semifinal competition and we’re now seven weeks

Sevan Matossian (10:54):

Out. God, it’s,

Andrew Hiller (10:57):


Sevan Matossian (10:58):

Such a fucking joke. Uh, the people I heard who were there, uh, Brian friend was there. Tommy Marquez was there KA from the clouds deal podcast. Was there some guy from something called hotbox or hot CROX or something? Some other guy named Joe AKA Gannon from morning. Chalkup that guy who has the native American last name from morning Chalkup pillow wall. Um, someone named Presley Presley Hersh from morning Chalkup um, Kowski got to ask a question that you probably didn’t make it to the end of the video Hiller, but at the end F Kowski asked Emma McQuaid a question. I was like, what the,

Andrew Hiller (11:29):

What was the question?

Sevan Matossian (11:30):

Fuck. Um, do you wanna move to Canada and get married to me? I don’t fucking know. Interesting. It was fucking Gar. It was, it was nonsense. It was nonsense.

Andrew Hiller (11:40):

I can’t stand. I, I don’t, I don’t like the athlete portion. I mean, you, you have these guys here and it’s like, Hey, thank you for making yourselves available to us. And then they cut themselves off at 20 minutes. Like, Hey, ask the athlete some question. It’s like, well, they have Instagram messenger for that. They answer people all day. I’m sure. I know people personally who have spoken with Brent all the time. Like, I don’t know anybody who’s spoken with Adrian or Justin. It’s like, let them talk for a full hour.

Sevan Matossian (12:04):

Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Let them talk for,

Andrew Hiller (12:07):

And also have it live just like this and then have a comment session. They’ll just sit here and they’ll just answer some questions. It’s like, that’s the way they should do it.

Sevan Matossian (12:14):

Uh, I think I could be biased in this, but, but I’ll throw it out there. I think they’re less available than ever. I think CrossFit is less available than ever. I think we’re hearing.

Andrew Hiller (12:22):

Why do you say that? What was it like before?

Sevan Matossian (12:25):

I mean, I don’t ever remember there being, um, difficult getting access to, to me. I mean, some fucking dork named LA Franco reached out to me and fucking, I got him into the cross of games. Everyone was welcome. Fucking hunter McIntyre got to go to the cross of games. He didn’t qualify

Andrew Hiller (12:39):


Sevan Matossian (12:41):

I, I, I think it was always way more available than it is now. Way more transparent than it is now. It’s fucking on lockdown now. That’s what Andrew Weinstein’s job is. Um, yeah, I, I, I think there used to be incredible access and I don’t think it exists anymore. There’s this one line in here I wanna read. And then, and then, um, Justin said that there were inconsistencies from one event to the next, but it did not affect the overall results from the event. And I hear what he’s saying. He’s basically saying maybe at one event, the ropes were longer. One event, the bars were higher. One event, the shuttle runs were longer, whatever they were, but at the end it didn’t affect the, the competition at that event. Unless your name was Scott pan because they inconsistencies at the event or who

Andrew Hiller (13:30):

Matt Del Lugo’s,

Sevan Matossian (13:31):

Matt Del Lugo’s unless you or him? Um, probably arguably one of the best, uh, top 20 best CrossFiters of all time. The inconsistencies at the, at inconsistencies at the event actually did affect him. They fucking ended his career

Andrew Hiller (13:46):

Shit. Yeah, because the way that I heard that is they were trying to have it. So each athlete at each semifinal had an equal opportunity to qualify for the games within the realm of the standards. Put there. I didn’t hear it the way that you heard it, which is interesting, but you’re also right.

Sevan Matossian (14:04):

Which was ha, which was, oh, what he just, you mean what I just read?

Andrew Hiller (14:07):

Correct? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (14:08):

How did you hear it? But

Andrew Hiller (14:09):

Yeah, the, the way that I heard it. So like, if let’s say Megos was at strength in depth where they had switched the bar Heights apparently per their conference, what they said, like they upped the bar Heights. Yeah. Then Degos would’ve if they had had the same workouts at granite games had a greater opportunity to qualify through strength in depth. Oh. So if he had to do that workout, that’s how I heard it, which is interesting. I like, well, that’s also, that’s not true because if you put that granny’s workout with a higher bar height, all of a sudden, the likelihood of him qualifying increases. So that’s a false statement he’s making right.

Sevan Matossian (14:44):


Andrew Hiller (14:44):

That’s how I heard it.

Sevan Matossian (14:45):

Justin said we allowed the organizers to be accountable of movement, standards and safety. I’m gonna read that more time. I, Justin said we allowed organizers to be accountable of movement, standards and safety. Is that, is that so basically at that point, I think he’s just putting all the blame on, on

Andrew Hiller (15:02):

It’s a piece of shit

Sevan Matossian (15:03):

On, on the semifinals. You, you think it’s a piece of shit move.

Andrew Hiller (15:06):

Oh my God, could you ever imagine God? Everyone’s like, oh, you love Dave so much and he’ll be on your show later. That’s pretty cool. However, if could you ever imagine saying that it’s like, yeah, it wasn’t our fault.

Sevan Matossian (15:18):


Andrew Hiller (15:18):

That’s how I, it wasn’t our fault. <laugh> fuck those guys. The guys who, uh, paid us money to put on these events for us,

Sevan Matossian (15:25):

They do pay, they pay CrossFit money

Andrew Hiller (15:28):

To my knowledge. Damn. Do you, are you not aware?

Sevan Matossian (15:31):

No, I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t know. I don’t know.

Andrew Hiller (15:33):

Put CrossFit on their event.

Sevan Matossian (15:34):

Yeah. I don’t know how that works with the, with the semifinals.

Andrew Hiller (15:37):

I, and then I, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (15:39):

<laugh> uh, Tommy marque asked the question. I didn’t understand the question. I sure. As fucked didn’t understand the answer. I just re the, the, the one thing I kind of plucked from it was that Justin liked strength and death because it had more than elite competition, which he thinks he added to the greater community event. I think what he’s saying is that they maybe had like a adaptive division or age divisions there and that, and that helped the community event. I will say this. Um, I’ve never seen such empty crowds at any, um, regional sanctional event. Like I saw this year, when we used to do the regionals, it would be packed everywhere. I went all over the world all over the United States. It would be packed. I will ask Dave, um, today when he comes on the show, why he thinks north American, uh,

Andrew Hiller (16:18):

Session. I tell you why.

Sevan Matossian (16:18):

Yeah. Tell me,

Andrew Hiller (16:19):

You wanna know why? So the other night after we did our month long binge of, you know, episodes over the course of the weekends, I sat on the couch. I turned on 2018 regionals and they were loaded. They were super freaking crazy. I was there. I remember what it was like, it was loud. It was crazy. I remember sitting there at the end waiting to hear the teams called because we were right on the cusp. And all I could think of is this. I watched every single second of semifinals to do our coverage and not one time did I get the same, like sensations that I got watching that on that Sunday night after having seen everything you look around and

Sevan Matossian (16:54):

Why, why do you think the difference is, what do you think the difference is? I

Andrew Hiller (16:57):

I’ll tell you. Okay. The difference is the fact that I was from Lombard. We competed in Tennessee and it was an eight hour drive and no less than 30 of my members came out to watch us. Yeah. Um,

Sevan Matossian (17:08):

And all of the semifinal, all the regionals I went to was tons of affiliates. There, massive affiliate

Andrew Hiller (17:12):

Events that, that doesn’t account for like my teammates, family members. So there’s probably 15 attendance for my team alone at that point in time. And then you also have to take into account the individuals on that side and their work community events. So the thing about waap, polou you go there and it’s packed it’s because everyone’s fucking competing, but everyone’s going to support everybody at these regional events back in 2018. And it was wild. Everyone was super invested in it, too.

Sevan Matossian (17:36):

Dude, CrossFit, Invictus, um, in San Diego, when the regionals would be there, they would, they would take up a whole fucking section of the stands.

Andrew Hiller (17:44):

It’s wild, right? Yeah. Is, does that happen anymore?

Sevan Matossian (17:46):

There’d be like 300 people there.

Andrew Hiller (17:48):

Well, first of all,

Sevan Matossian (17:49):

They would do this thing for Josh bridges, the entire Invictus, like group crowd, CJ would organize them and they would all hold. They would make a tunnel and hold hands and they’d call it a love tunnel. And Josh would run through it before and after events sometimes. And they would tell ’em how much they love him. It was fucking intense. That’s sorry. Go ahead.

Andrew Hiller (18:08):

I mean, well, and it was probably easier for ’em to do that because it was closer to the affiliates they were working out, out of, right?

Sevan Matossian (18:15):

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It was right down the fucking street. So

Andrew Hiller (18:17):

Let’s, let’s say my affiliates

Sevan Matossian (18:18):

Affiliates in San Diego, just like, like just bam. They’re

Andrew Hiller (18:22):

All into it too. Yeah. And let’s say we were in San Diego. Let’s say my affiliate in 2018 was there, but then I had to go compete at the Mac. I maybe two people come out with me because it’s an expense to get there. Not a trip, not like a weekend drive trip. It’s like, Hey, we’re gonna go hang out and we’re gonna go, like, number one was support. The people you wanted to support. Number two, vendor village was sick.

Sevan Matossian (18:43):

Yeah. Vendor village was always sick at all. The ones I went to,

Andrew Hiller (18:46):

Everyone always like walked away with a bunch of shit from rogue and whatever, like apparel companies that sponsored my team, like they had booth there and that sort of thing. So it was just different and better. And I wonder if Dave will say the same thing, if it had to do with the, the proximity to the affiliates back then,

Sevan Matossian (19:02):

You know what else was cool too? Like, like they did, they did the, um, San Diego regionals at a horse track. So it gave it a real, um, like, like a cool feel. You know what I mean? It felt like you were at a, um, like a state fair. It was, it felt more familial. It I’m trying to think all the ones that weren’t in stadiums, the ones they did, they did some in Northern California, like at like places that look like farms with a lot of hay and shit. And they, it was always felt more familial, like a, a cool place to bring friends and family.

Andrew Hiller (19:32):

Are you saying that’s different today?

Sevan Matossian (19:34):

I mean, everything seems, all the ones I’ve been seeing now are indoor stadium events. Like it’s trying to mimic this, um, like it’s trying to make a, a, a stickball and stick sports

Andrew Hiller (19:45):

Ball and stick. You used a baseball hater.

Sevan Matossian (19:48):

Yeah, I am. Uh, what do you think about this? Um, I think Justin said that that athletes have popped for steroid use. I think that’s what he was implying

Andrew Hiller (19:57):

To what it sounded like, but

Sevan Matossian (19:59):

I really have trouble understanding when he talks <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (20:01):

I think he uses

Sevan Matossian (20:03):

Eight times as many words as necessary.

Andrew Hiller (20:06):

He must have never coached a CrossFit class before because you could, you only out like two minutes to get the everything across before everyone gets anxious again. Antsy.

Sevan Matossian (20:15):

Did you hear that? That people popped, did you?

Andrew Hiller (20:17):

Yeah. It sounds like they’re going through their B sample. Do you know how that works?

Sevan Matossian (20:21):


Andrew Hiller (20:22):

Let’s say like, you go, you’ve qualify for the games. You pee into the cup and then they, they take two samples, like there’s two cups and they test the one and then they’re like, Hey, Savon, you got D ball in your urine. And you’re like, no, I don’t try it again. And then they try the B sample and then just like, uh, it was in both of ’em. It wasn’t a mistake.

Sevan Matossian (20:41):

And then I say, but I it’s because I was French kissing Hiller

Andrew Hiller (20:44):

Or because someone tainted your cheeseburger, don’t say someone

Sevan Matossian (20:48):

Don’t say taint,

Andrew Hiller (20:48):

Someone put taint in my taint.

Sevan Matossian (20:51):

<laugh> someone tainted, Frank DACH. Uh, you know what else was cool. Seon was real media back then. Thank you. Thank you. I’m I’m I’m, I’m actually only real media now. Uh, Adrian said that we are a hypercritical at, we are in a hypercritical moment, but there isn’t an increase in incidents. I’m assuming he was talking about bad judging and reps in general,

Andrew Hiller (21:15):

Every statement made is just incredibly weak. And while, while I like to give credit for they, they’ve, they’ve taken steps in the right direction by making that public, like we could watch it. Right. The last one we weren’t able to watch. We had to sneak our way into it. Everyone can see this one. So that’s good. It doesn’t mean that what they were saying did anything <laugh>. So, so I put out a video yesterday about how they don’t do anything. They don’t say anything. And while,

Sevan Matossian (21:40):

Oh, the video yesterday’s brutal. I got some notes on it. I cannot are people going to the CrossFit games who didn’t qualify for the fucking games

Andrew Hiller (21:49):

In a way you can’t say for sure, in the same way where, like, you don’t know how the leaderboard was supposed to look after that shuttle run, workout, workout. Number three of the quarter finals. Yeah. You don’t know because they didn’t do their job. And the same thing happened again. But this time the implications were, there are athletes at the games because of it that maybe shouldn’t be, but we don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (22:08):

Isn’t the, isn’t it funny that they, that they were patting themselves on the back in the press conference about how good they’ve done for adaptive athletes and masters.

Andrew Hiller (22:15):

They didn’t even know what the fuck was about to hit ’em because I hadn’t put that out yet.

Sevan Matossian (22:19):

<laugh> and yet there’s the, the master’s qualification is, is, is, um, is broken. I mean, people after watching your video, I’m like, holy shit. Some dudes are going to the games who Hiller showed fucking they, half their reps were ass.

Andrew Hiller (22:35):

And, and it’s so easy. Like they’re only 10 people in each division going it’s like, you, you know how we, it, I understand the erroneous score thing from the there’s hundreds of there’s almost a thousand people scores. They’ve had check on either side, but there’s literally 10 people’s workouts. You’ve gotta check. It would take one guy an hour to look through the videos and say, oh, yay. You shouldn’t have made it through this section of this wall ball workout. It. Would’ve taken ’em two minutes to see it. And they didn’t do fucking anything.

Sevan Matossian (23:01):

I’m gonna go to your YouTube account. There’s two videos. Um, if you, if you haven’t seen them yet, you may want to take a peek at, um, I watch all of these while I ride the, uh, assault bike.

Andrew Hiller (23:14):

You know what, as I’m editing ’em now I’m like, oh, this one he’s gonna be pissed. This one’s 30 minutes. It’s gonna be the longest all bike ride.

Sevan Matossian (23:20):

It’s the longest, uh, this one, where is it? The first one? Is it the, uh, judges? No, where’s the one with Tim, Tim Tillman. The, the Tommy

Andrew Hiller (23:29):


Sevan Matossian (23:30):

Tommy Tillman. That

Andrew Hiller (23:31):

One would be the double down 8.7 K. So that’s the second one I made. The first one was we have a problem. That’s the one with the calendars on them, the one right underneath it to the left of Adrian Bosman and Dave,

Sevan Matossian (23:43):

Kathy, the, um, who thought this was this one who, who thought this was correct? Yeah. Yeah. So this one who thought this was a good idea. And as Adrian, um, on it and Dave holding a snake, if you want. So watch that video and then realize that none of those issues that, um, Andrew pointed out were fixed, and they’re not a joke. They’re not, I mean, it’s dudes who are doing wall balls, who are not, they’re not squatting. They’re just throwing the ball. You could say that.

Andrew Hiller (24:08):

Correct? Uh, well, so one of ’em, wasn’t hitting depth on the majority. One of ’em wasn’t getting the ball over the target on a many. And then the guy in the middle was doing a little bit of both. And that’s the guy that I made the second video on because it’s like, Andrew, you didn’t take into account where he put his tape line. It’s like, well, there’s a spot you’re supposed to put it, but let’s say it was in this spot. It still doesn’t matter because the heart of the video, which is what I kept on saying was that he shouldn’t have made it to the point of the workout in which he made it, which led me to the third video, because it didn’t matter. They didn’t fucking do anything. They didn’t look at the workouts. They didn’t look at the videos.

Sevan Matossian (24:46):

Um, I, I don’t agree with Adrian that it’s always, um, been this way and that, um, and that now people are just hypercritical and that there’s just increased. Um, I do believe that there’s increased incidents. I do believe it is a complete shit show this year. Um, but that being said, I, I do wanna acknowledge that he has better, um, optics than I do. Um, but, uh, either way I don’t, I, I don’t understand that as a, I don’t understand that as a response. Um it’s so you were getting raped. Oh, it’s always been this. And so we put you in a halfway house and you get raped in the halfway house. Oh. But the response is, well, you were getting raped at home anyway. No, you went, you went to the like Jesus

Andrew Hiller (25:25):


Sevan Matossian (25:26):

I know, I know it’s brutal, brutal, uh, similarly, but like you changed, you changed leadership and you have these massive problems that have completely invalidated the competition. Brian asked about the names of the games is CrossFit. Is it CrossFit finals or CrossFit games?

Andrew Hiller (25:44):

Yeah, that was, that was a good question. He was kind of ticked off. It seemed like

Sevan Matossian (25:48):

I was told that Justin, I was told that Justin part of the things, how they, they took away CrossFit HQ and they took away Puy and they took away, they were all the, and they changed it from CrossFit training to CrossFit EDU. And there’s all these things that Rosa was doing to try to, instead of, um, uh, uh, uh, we’ll mess you up or, um, uh, for and elite fitness, they changed it to happiness smiles and, and whatever the fuck their new motto is. I heard that this thing that Justin chose CrossFit finals to try to change it from CrossFit games, cuz he, he wanted it to feel more like a professional sport and take away from what Dave was doing. I, but I have no proof of that, but I heard that that was the rumor that he was trying to, he was trying to put his stamp on the games by changing it to finals.

Andrew Hiller (26:30):

What do you think their vision of all of this is? Do you think they have one?

Sevan Matossian (26:37):

No. Like where? Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I bet you Justin’s written out a fucking 50 page manifesto that only he’s read or understands. Yes.

Andrew Hiller (26:45):

Okay. Well that’s good. I guess, because it doesn’t seem to me like they understand who they’re speaking to anymore or maybe they’re they know who they’re speaking to and they’re trying not to lose the other half. You know what I, you know what I, I was supposed, I’m gonna keep on, probably relate as I just have this at the top of my mind, but you’re talking to hunter and you’re talking about like met switching training platforms that to put his product on. Yeah, yeah,

Sevan Matossian (27:06):


Andrew Hiller (27:07):

The scary, the scary part of that is whether or not he is gonna lose half of the credit cards, cuz people need to switch their credit cards over. Yep. And part of me wonders if at the games level, Justin and them are like, we’re switching this over and we’re terrified of losing half of our customers. So they’re still trying to dabble in both of them. Right. And half of us are all fucking pissed off because we know that you’re trying to switch over our credit cards, but you’re not telling us.

Sevan Matossian (27:30):

Right, right, right.

Andrew Hiller (27:31):

You want us to switch platforms? It’s like usual, does that make sense to you? Yeah. Yeah. And that’s why we’re also upset. It’s like we were, this is what we want. Are we switching? Tell us or uh, maybe we’ll come with, maybe we won’t, but you’re not telling us anything

Sevan Matossian (27:42):

Or what’s better. Well that that’s. So the best question I heard the most precise, the one that’s like not pussy footing around the one that didn’t wasn’t ambiguous from was from a man named chase Ingram from the get with the programming podcast is also a commentator for CrossFit semifinals, been around forever. Chase asked who had the final say on the riser bar height and rope length. Like he fucking just asked it, man. Like, thank you. Thank you. Wow. Yeah. Just, just like, oh, he pointed at some shit some objective shit, some real shit.

Andrew Hiller (28:19):

And then the answer

Sevan Matossian (28:20):

Was the cow. He answered the question. I think the directors, I think the directors of the semifinals had the final say, but the semifinals directors were looking for guidance from HQ. And at one point I don’t remember who it was. I think it was Justin even put some blame on bill Henneger at, um, because he said we also, um, uh, checked in with the equipment manufacturers,

Andrew Hiller (28:46):

The most powerful man in fitness.

Sevan Matossian (28:47):

Yeah. The most powerful man in fitness. I think that they, they were kind of spreading the blame around a little bit. Like, like, you know, like when a, um, bird shits on your windshield and all you have is like a shitty like wipe and you wipe it to try to wipe it off. And instead it spreads it everywhere. I think it was kind of, I, I felt like that, that that’s what that press conference was just smearing the shit around.

Andrew Hiller (29:05):

It’s like, yeah, here’s the issue. And here’s the same thing. We’re not gonna tell you about just like we always do.

Sevan Matossian (29:11):

So I

Andrew Hiller (29:11):

Think that was seem like a waste of time.

Sevan Matossian (29:13):

Yeah. I think, well, the, the, yeah, I didn’t walk away. I didn’t feel walking. I didn’t walk away feeling like really hyped about the games of which I think you should have, you know

Andrew Hiller (29:21):

What they said,

Sevan Matossian (29:22):

Press conference. I’ve been to, I walk away being like, fuck, I can’t wait for tomorrow.

Andrew Hiller (29:27):

Really? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (29:28):

The UFC press conference, I’m fucking pumped

Andrew Hiller (29:31):

That they ask a question, they go this way. They go that way. And then by the time the question’s over, you’re like, what was the answer?

Sevan Matossian (29:37):


Andrew Hiller (29:38):

Yes. Is that how you felt about everything and then, and then you’re also like, okay, so you realize there’s a problem, but you’re not telling us the answer. So it’s either, what was it? Or, oh, there’s something in the works. When the fuck are we gonna hear about that? Or you’re just waiting for us to forget. Right? They’re waiting for you to forget. Yeah, we won’t forget. I got time.

Sevan Matossian (29:56):

We won’t forget.

Andrew Hiller (29:58):

We, we rise it down.

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