#454 – Vision Twins, Kalvin & Angelo

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Bam. We’re live all three of us.

Kalvin and Angelo (00:03):

Hello. Good morning.

Sevan Matossian (00:05):

What’s up dudes?

Kalvin (00:07):

Doing good, man. Doing good. Bright and early today.

Sevan Matossian (00:10):

Uh, you guys are in LA?

Angelo (00:13):

Uh, no, we’re in St. Louis right now, actually.

Sevan Matossian (00:15):

Oh, what? Well, how’d you guys end up there for some reason. I thought you guys were in San Diego. Didn’t you drive across the border and visit pops.

Kalvin (00:21):

Oh yeah. Well, we’ve, you know, we move around a lot. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (00:25):

Is, is St. Louis home now,

Kalvin (00:29):

Uh, summer for the summer. There’s a supplement company that we’re sponsored by. So we’re out here for the summer to do some, uh, do some promotion and, uh, and get, get some work done out here.

Sevan Matossian (00:40):

Oh, that’s awesome. Congratulations. Who’d you guys get as a sponsor,

Kalvin (00:45):

So it’s called first form. So he’s at, he’s wearing a shirt right here, first form by Andy you sell.

Sevan Matossian (00:50):


Angelo (00:52):

Yeah. So, uh,

Sevan Matossian (00:54):

Good people, right? I have been hearing so much good stuff about what’s the guy’s name? He own the company, Andy

Kalvin (01:00):

Andy for. So he actually has a podcast called the real Afaf podcast. Uh, used to be the MFC MF C project up until a couple years ago. But, um, it’s basically about entrepreneurship and, you know, getting the right, you know, getting the right mindset to, to crush in business. So that’s his whole thing. And then he did started doing supplements, I think, in, in 2009. And when the internet hit, he just, you know, attacked.

Sevan Matossian (01:26):

And so you guys moved there to be closer to your sponsor,

Kalvin (01:30):


Sevan Matossian (01:31):

Wow. That’s cool. That’s some like, I mean, that’s some authentic shit. That’s, that’s, that’s really cool.

Angelo (01:38):

Yeah. The main reason why we came out here too is cuz we wanna obviously, you know, grow and just learn, get all the sauce while we can, you know, learn as much as we can while we’re out here. Cuz we’ve been, you know, been in Florida, been in California and we think it’s just better if like we, you know, get the game out here, you know, get it and then really learn it. And then once we’re ready to go, we’re outta here and then we’ll be back in LA in the sunshine.

Sevan Matossian (01:59):

<laugh>, you know, you know, it’s kind inter so as I was looking into you guys and looking more and more when I I’m in California too. And when I think of Los Angeles in the times I’ve been down there, um, it’s kind of tragic. What’s happened to Los Angeles in the last couple years, but what’s really been exposed is just kind of how fragile the people are down there and their mindset, just this kind of whole lack of personal accountability and personal responsibility. And, and I’m, I don’t, I don’t mean this to like, to, to shit on your generation, but maybe it’s just always old people always do that. Maybe that I should shit on myself. But when I see two guys like you who are like, fuck this, we’re taking control of our lives, our ourselves. Um, does, are, are you guys outcast amongst your friends or are you, um, trendsetters or are you role models? Like how are your friends when you’re around people? I guess it could be any age let’s scratch the age thing when you’re around people who, who you hear making, um, what’s your go-to do you have a go-to line or a, uh, um, do you try to fix ’em?

Kalvin (03:07):

Yeah. Well, I mean, AB I mean to hit that age range that you were talking about, you know, we were, we work with people older than you, so there’s not necessarily,

Sevan Matossian (03:14):

Uh, good, good.

Kalvin (03:16):

We’re 23 and that’s that’s, that’s the thing is it doesn’t really matter what age you are. There’s people at any age, that’s gonna make an excuse for themselves as to what they can accomplish or what they can accomplish and really are right. You know, our business model and, and how we present ourselves is, you know, who doesn’t have a family member that’s overweight or obese, you know, mind you a twin brother who was in the same position as you. So, you know, that’s really our, our demographic, the, I guess you could say the lower income, um, single parent dad in prison, you know, those are the people in the, the generation, I guess we really, yeah. Plenty of reasons. Plenty. Everybody has plenty of reasons to like, like, oh, this is why my life sucks. And then they give you, you know, a whole spreadsheet of why and who did it to them and where it happened at.

Angelo (03:59):

And for us personally, like to say, are we, you know, outliers among our friends? I mean, growing up, you know, we were just really close together, honestly, like even through high school, you know, middle school, like we had, you know, a good group of friends, but like they weren’t close friends. We knew not to like attach ourselves to our friends. If that makes sense. We always knew like, okay, these people are gonna fall away. Eventually we’ve heard it growing up. Like your friends that you have in middle school, aren’t gonna be in high school, same friends in high school are gonna be the ones in real life. So we kind of just knew that in the back of our mind, and then we would see people for the way they are and see the way think people moved. And for us personally, it was like, okay, well now that we’re outta high school, we’re overweight and obese.

Angelo (04:37):

Like, what are we gonna do? <laugh> like, there’s no point in being 350 pounds, 330 pounds not playing any sports, not doing anything. And so that really like made us realize, okay, well we have to attack the first thing. That’s on our list. And that’s losing weight. Most people have a big list of things that they can get done, but you know, they don’t get it done. And so that’s where we, we realize like we can’t really hang around those type of people that work a regular job. And you know, that I know shade gets regular job, but like, cuz we work jobs too, you know, before we even did social media, but we realize that’s not what we’re, you know, asked your question as being those outliers. You know, most of all of our friends growing up work a, a regular job or want a career and you know, we just are choosing a different path and there was a quote I heard yesterday that said, uh, you calling me extraordinary is letting you off the hook.

Sevan Matossian (05:27):

Ah, I love it.

Angelo (05:28):

Yeah. And that, that really got to me yesterday. I was like, wow, because what I’m doing is something that I should have been doing. I shouldn’t have been 350 pounds at 17 years old. So it was just kind of a lesson to me like, okay, I just needed to get this stuff done. And that’s really what it is.

Sevan Matossian (05:44):

Angelo and Calvin. Calvin with a K

Kalvin (05:46):

That’s right? Yes, sir.

Sevan Matossian (05:48):

Um, how do you know how your mom, why your mom named you that? Why your mom and dad named you that where you got your names from?

Kalvin (05:54):

Yeah, well I’m actually, I’m named after my dad. So I’m a junior mark Calvin. My first name is mark M a R K Calvin Sanders junior. And then social security number. I’m obviously, so my mom, uh, had a BI or not a, had a miscarriage and um, so I was supposed to be named like Michael or some shit like that. And then, uh, she ended up, my grandma said it’s an angel, like God gave you a blessing to have two babies now. Cause she had a miscarriage. First one. So yeah, I got, I got hit with Angela.

Sevan Matossian (06:32):

Awesome. And you guys are born in Los Angeles,

Kalvin (06:36):

Born in San Diego.

Sevan Matossian (06:37):


Kalvin (06:38):


Sevan Matossian (06:39):

And red. Those of you don’t for those of you who don’t know, um, San Diego is just the, it’s the town, uh, basically almost right on the border with Mexico. And it’s about a a hundred miles south of Los Angeles. It’s so, so tell me, tell, tell me about that growing up, because that is like, seems to be, um, it’s a big, it’s a big thing that I push to people. I think one of the strongest correlates for any problems you have in life, life is if you don’t have both parents around, um, if, uh, there’s a, um, a guy, a 90 year old man named, um, Thomas. So, well, I don’t know if you guys are familiar with them, he’s an economist over at the Hoover Institute. And basically all the stuff that they always say is because of, um, you’re black or because you’re Chinese or because whatever you are, he says, no, no, no.

Sevan Matossian (07:25):

The strongest correlate has nothing to do with anything except having both your parents and your life, if the highest rate of cancer, people who only have one parent highest rate of prison, people only have one parent highest rate of obesity. People who only have one parent. I mean, you can draw that correlate to almost anything. And he goes, that’s the strongest one. Uh, and there are people like, um, you know, uh, you guys and myself and tons of examples of people who come up from divorced households. But, but we even know that, Hey, it’s not ideal. Right? Mm-hmm, <affirmative> absolutely like it would’ve been nice to have both. It’d have been nice to have both our parents together.

Kalvin (07:57):

Yeah. It would be nice. But you know, there are people who want to do what we want to do and what you want to do, who have started off with way less. I started off with no parents. So really what is our excuse when it comes to having both parents in our life and wanting to be successful, there really is no excuse,

Sevan Matossian (08:14):

No excuse. Um, but, but you guys do talk about how your dad went to prison quite a bit. It’s it’s, it’s part of like what you wanna share with people that you guys, Hey, we had this situa unfortunate situation. We were able to pull through it. Um, when did, how old were you guys when you realized your dad wasn’t in your life?

Angelo (08:31):

Well, so I mean, our dad has been in and out of our life, our whole life, you know, when we were born, he was in prison for four years and he got out when we were five or like three yeah, four or five years old. So we didn’t really even understand that we were alone and with our mom at five. So obviously we just grew up as, you know, kids. And then he comes home, puts us in soccer as our coach for a couple years. You know, we’re living life with our dad until maybe we’re like nine, 10 years old and then dad messes up again and then he goes back to prison. And from there at that time, he got really hit with like six years or five years or something like that. So we had our dad for a cumulative, maybe five years out of our life.

Angelo (09:10):

And he was, you know, a great dad while he was there, but he was loving, he was inspirational. He was everything, what we would want, except for the fact that he sold drugs and, you know, carried guns, carried guns and was known around the city as the guy not to fuck with. And like, you know, that’s just something that we kind of, like you said, how you a single parent families or whatever, like that kind of hit with the most problems. You know, growing up, we were like, we were loved by people, but we were also very like, not aggressive, but like we just had this defense mechanism against us, like, don’t call me fat, don’t do this. And so you were like ready to, you know, lash out against people. So you never really learned how to deal with those emotions. And our dad was trying to make us lose weight as kids, you know, he would take us to the park, go running, we fucking hated it.

Angelo (09:56):

And he’d be like, you know, this something that’s good for you. I’m benefiting you for the future. And thankfully like, I’m so thankful that he was the one that kind of showed us to be fit. Cuz he put us in sports, did all those types of things in the short amount of time that he was there. And that really just benefited us for our future because we could have easily just sat back and played video games all day and ate chips and soda and been a lazy shit our whole life. But we realized, you know, we got this background. If our dad could be freaking eight pack ripped, you know, all these type of things coming from a third world country being malnourished. Why the hell can’t we get in shape? You know,

Sevan Matossian (10:31):

Did he get, is, did he get deported? Is that why he’s living in Tijuana right now? He can’t make, he can’t

Angelo (10:36):

Come. He’s deported a few times.

Sevan Matossian (10:39):

Even after you have kids in the United States, you can still get deported.

Angelo (10:43):

So that’s kind of tricky about that actually. So he’s in, he’s in jail now and we’re not gonna really go over the full story. Why he is now. Wait,

Sevan Matossian (10:50):

Wait a second. In, in the United States or back in Tijuana.

Angelo (10:54):

Yeah. He’s in jail here in United States. So San

Sevan Matossian (10:56):

Diego. Oh fuck. I’m so sorry. I just watched that video yesterday of you guys hanging out with him in Tijuana. That was like a year ago.

Angelo (11:02):

Yeah. So I mean he’s, and that’s the thing he’s getting out in like a few weeks from now, but he actually has this like thing with this case where, like you said, he had kids in America and he messed up one time, like whatever, 15 years ago when we were kids, like I said, and then went back to prison, um, you’re actually supposed to get like a, a, like a one chance rule. Like you can mess up while you’re here and then you don’t get deported, but he got deported right away. So they’re looking in those court case right now, hopefully that they can kinda wash away anything that happened afterwards because he wasn’t supposed to be deported. He was supposed to be brought back to America after his, you know, after messing up in jail, you don’t just get sent back right away. And so there’s this, this, this thing with this case that we gotta look into, but hopefully he could be back into America. We’ve just gotta kind of go through those, those documents and whatnot and present it to a judge and everything.

Sevan Matossian (11:50):

Um, where was he born?

Angelo (11:52):


Sevan Matossian (11:54):

So he is hon. And what is he? What’s his makeup.

Kalvin and Angelo (11:59):

So it’s Afro Latino. So his descendants are from Africa and then all the blacks out of my span, all the black outta of our family speak Spanish and my mom’s white. Yeah. So the Atlantic slave trade brought over from Africa, brought to the Caribbeans, brought to the central Americas. Obviously the black people stayed and then mingled with the natives there and he spoke, learned how to speak. I’m not saying he’s that fucking old, but learned how to speak Spanish and everything. So that’s black and Spanish basically.

Sevan Matossian (12:28):

And you said when you were young, you remember you remember, um, receiving a lot of love and I’m guessing that’s that that’s that honouring culture.

Angelo (12:37):

Oh, for sure. Yeah. I mean, it was, it was awesome growing up being, having that, our family base was really cool. You know, being a cultured, black, white and speaking Spanish. It’s like, you’re the best of all. Everything. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (12:49):

And it’s, it’s an think about it because I see your dad, your dad reminds me of my, my dad and my uncles too. Like I grew up in a I’m Armenian and man, it was like, I wish, uh, no matter how bad shit is in our culture, everyone’s so affectionate and so loving. And I just, I remember just all the kids always felt really loved. Like the adults were cool. Like you could trust the adults. Yeah. You could trust the adults that I grew up with

Kalvin (13:14):

A hundred percent. That’s awesome. So Armenian, you said,

Sevan Matossian (13:18):

Yeah, you, you got a lot of them in LA. A lot of them.

Angelo (13:22):

Yeah. I’ve heard.

Sevan Matossian (13:25):

So, so then you, you, your dad, you, you don’t get a lot of time with your dad, but you love your dad and, and, and it must have hurt you guys. No one wants to see their dad taken to prison. That must have been some painful shit.

Kalvin (13:37):

I mean, at a young age, at a young age, I would say nine or 10, it really affected us. But then, you know, growing up, it normally wasn’t really anything that we thought about, but we knew our obesity stem from obviously not having a dad that was going to push us in sports or push us to be a man or teach us what it took to be a man. So that was, that was, I would say painful, you know, first nine or first eight to, from eight to 12. Yeah. Learning how to, to save learning, just doing all the stuff that you really don’t even look over as, you know, being a man nowadays that are so common, certain things that we just weren’t taught, how to tie a tie, you know, just all those things. But

Sevan Matossian (14:14):

Todd M says I was over 400 pounds, five years ago and now I live around 2 25. Awesome. And excited to hear your story today.

Kalvin (14:22):

Shit. Wow. That’s crazy. We go, man. Congratulations, Todd.

Sevan Matossian (14:26):

You guys said, so when I was, when I was probably 16 years old, I was in high school. I was a sophomore and some kids started making fun of my nose and I remember go being like, what are they talking about? And then going home and looking in the mirror and being like, oh shit. When did you get here? Like, fuck you weren’t here yesterday. Um, but at nine years old, I can’t remember which one of you, it was one of you was like, and, and then I remember like being 16 and telling my mom, Hey, I want to get a nose job. My mom’s like, oh yeah, absolutely. I’ll get you one when you’re in your twenties. And she wasn’t, she wasn’t going to, she was just kicking the can down the road till I matured and fell in love with my nose. Right.

Sevan Matossian (15:00):

Which was smart. Right. Um, my dad did the same thing with motorcycles. I said 14. I’m like, oh, I wanna motorcycles off for sure. Get you one when you’re 16 and I turned 16, I wanna motorcycles off for sure. When you’re 18 and then I got over it. Right. <laugh> yeah. Um, so, uh, that, that’s some like benevolent line, but at nine, one of, I think one of you was already asking for a gastric bypass surgery. Can you tell me when you guys realized that you guys were fat, that you were like, and, and how you realized it? Cause like, I didn’t realize it until someone made fun of me and I was like, what are they talking about?

Kalvin (15:36):

Yeah. I mean, we always knew, I mean, we knew it, you know, after, you know, third, fourth grade and our dad was in out, dad was solidified in prison. It was like, yeah, like this is, you know, we’re knew that we were gonna end up continuing to get bigger. And yeah, when you, when you start going to your friend’s house and like the first thing you look for is their pantry. Like cuz they have different snacks that you didn’t have. You don’t care, you don’t care about their toys. You don’t care about their, you know, you don’t care about their video games at all. You just care about what’s in their, their pantry anyway. So cringy and embarrassing. Like some of the stuff we would do as a kid, I can’t even imagine being our friend’s parents and like seeing these kids like run in and like they’re good kids, but like they just wanted to eat and like we’re just like eating up their snacks. Like couldn’t have couldn’t have made us happy with any video game. That’s yeah. No toys, nothing excited us. No, no that’s no, no. Uh motocros bikes, no trampoline. It was where’s your food at?

Sevan Matossian (16:30):

Wow. That’s kind of like being in college and your friends come over to smoke your weed.

Kalvin and Angelo (16:34):


Sevan Matossian (16:35):

Like, they’re just like, they just like walk right past you straight to your bong and like open up. So, and then you knew and, and, and then kids started saying stuff.

Angelo (16:46):

Oh yeah. I mean, it wasn’t until maybe like he said, third, fourth grade where you started realizing you’re bigger than everybody. Kids are kind of like waking up a little bit and you know, starting throwing the insults in a real way. And then that’s when we, I guess you could say like fourth grade, but I would say we never really, like, we were always popular amongst, you know, our age group and our cohort, like people, you know, our friends and those kids were respectable. I would say more respected us. Like we were good at football. We’ve always played football. Always kind of always played sports, but there was still that factor that we were big, but most kids kind of overlook, kinda overlooked that because they knew we were, we could, you know, score on them in basketball or score on them in football. So they kind of overlooked those things, even though we were, you know, we weren’t just pushovers at all. You know, at that age

Sevan Matossian (17:35):

It sounds like you guys had a good work ethic too.

Kalvin (17:38):

I would say definitely when it came to whatever we were doing on the court or on the field, you know, it was, we definitely, we played basketball, you know, school basketball team, you know, football and

Sevan Matossian (17:48):

High school. Didn’t didn’t miss practice. Didn’t like try to cut lap short. Like you guys, you guys had your

Angelo (17:53):

Business, that’s cut lap short, for sure. Maybe this kind of run where you’re like pumping your arms really hard, your

Sevan Matossian (17:59):

Feet <laugh> and then, and, and then when you were, when you were nine, one of you asked for gastric bypass surgery.

Kalvin (18:09):

Yeah. That was me. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (18:12):

Isn’t that amazing? That a nine year old would even know what that is?

Kalvin (18:17):

Well, we knew what it was because our mom had gastric bypass surgery when we were like three or three or four years old, our mom had gastric bypass. I remember her pulling up to kindergarten, our kindergarten graduation in a wheelchair, cuz she had like some postop surgery that needed to be done. So, um, we knew what it was, you know, by nine years old. And we knew that we were big. Yeah. We knew it was the loose weight surgery. Like just what you do lose weight.

Sevan Matossian (18:42):

Um, less than 24 hours ago, you guys made a video and you put it on the vision twins, uh, YouTube channel and I was watching it and it’s a pretty brave video you guys made. And I, I bet you, you guys will, can keep talking about it as you, um, get older. Uh, basically you guys talk about, um, gastric bypass surgery and I just wanna throw a couple things in there about that. First of all, anyone who says it’s like cheating or any of that shit, fuck them. Like, fuck you. Like no one should be judging you for cheating or not cheating or anything. First of all, and you guys don’t, didn’t get gastric bypass surgery. I wanna be super clear about that. You guys did not do it. The thing that scares me is that you guys talk about the mechanism in your, in your mind and the trauma that you had that led you to food for comfort,

Sevan Matossian (19:30):

This gastric bypass surgery one, and you guys express this in your video, like, Hey, what happens if you get it? And you gain the weight back, we have some concerns there. Right? But, but the other thing is, is everyone I know that’s gotten it. Um, I, I shouldn’t say everyone. I’ve had some people on the show who got it and who are really happy, but there’s been ends up being lifelong complications that they didn’t know about some pill that they have to take the rest of their life. Some damage that was done. Some, some fat cells that they lost. So now when they put fat on it attaches to their organs instead of their, um, waste. And I just, I thought you guys handled it with a lot oft like, Hey, we’re not judging you, but like, Hey, make some efforts along this path maybe first. Um, because, because it’s, I’m sorry. Say that again. Calvin

Kalvin (20:20):

Showing what’s possible. You know what I mean? Cause yeah, we could easily continue to get bigger and say, I’m gonna get the surgery, you know? And at 17 we decided to lose weight, you know, at our biggest, our heaviest weight. And we could have said, you know, in five years and seven years, you know, we’ll decide to, we’ll decide to look in the surgery, but we said, fuck that, you know, we’re gonna go get to it and we’re gonna run our asshole. I was like, I was like forced. Gumped like when they said, how long are you gonna keep running for? I don’t know. So I’m tired. Like that’s, that’s what it was with for me with weight loss, I was just gonna keep running until I lost weight. You know, I was gonna keep exercising in the house until we lost until I looked like I was never, oh, weight, overweight or obese again in my life. And that’s something that like, you can’t replace that with anything. You can’t buy that you can’t, you can’t do anything to get that experience about like what’s possible for yourself. Cuz most of the time, like it’s unfortunate. A lot of people look for the easier way out and what I, and then I’m, I’m not saying surgery is an easier way out, but like even in school,

Sevan Matossian (21:15):

No, it’s not. That’s the illusion, right? That’s the illusion. Right? Angelo. They think it’s the easier way out, but it’s not.

Kalvin and Angelo (21:22):

Yeah. Look harder. It’s probably harder. What happens when you cheat on a test? Like, okay, you get the big exam at the end. You’ve been cheating on all the tests, leading up to it and you didn’t learn anything. And now you’re about to bomb the exam, the final exam. And you cuz you never took the time to study anything. So like that’s what happens when you cheat. That’s not cheating. That’s what happens when you take a, a shortcut cuz the shortcuts gonna get you there quicker. Yeah. But like what happens when everybody else is finally caught up and now they have double your knowledge, double everything that you’ve done. And they’ve pretty much probably look better and they’ve got more like, you know what I’m saying? What can you teach somebody else after that test? You know,

Sevan Matossian (21:59):

I have a guy coming on next week. I have a guy coming on next week. Really fucking good friend of mine. And uh, he, he was, he was pushing like 300 pounds and uh, I got him into CrossFit and he lost a hundred pounds. Then he gained the weight back. I did, I got him back into it again. He lost the weight. The second time he lost the weight. He had all his skin cut off. Now I talk to him like about a month ago and uh, and um, I go, Hey, what’s up man? And he goes, Hey, I’m gaining weight. And I go, okay. And he goes and something really fucked up is happening. And I go, what? He goes, you’re born with only a certain amount of fat cells because I had my skin cut off. The fat has nowhere to go that I’m putting back on and it’s attaching to my organs and I’m just like, oh fuck me.

Sevan Matossian (22:47):

So I’m so yeah, I’m working with them now. I’m working with them now we got ’em back on the straight and narrow and, and this guy’s dedicated, this guy’s a beast, but yeah, there, there was a shortcut, right? He, he made a decision and uh, and, and there’s, you know, a few years later there’s a cost for it. That’s another great thing you guys do. That’s the, you guys, you guys have the, Hey no, no shame, no insecurity kind of um, pep talk before your workouts that you do, Hey, take your shirt off. Who gives a shit? Get at it boy.

Angelo (23:19):

Exactly. Yeah. And, and that’s, I didn’t even think about that. Like after you lose weight and you get the surgery, cuz we’ve been very adamant, like not gonna get the surgery, probably not even ever, but like right now it’s not even our, our focal view. And I never even thought about that. Like if you do gain the weight back, you’re not really allowed any room to gain weight because now you’re gonna be holding in the fat in different areas, which can obviously kill you. And like that’s so that just kind of really put a clear mindset on us about that loose skin thing. And you know, not being insecure about your body might as well. Just love it. What you got, cuz the surgery and anything else procedures is gonna fuck you up. That’s crazy.

Sevan Matossian (23:56):

I, I have twins. I have three boys. I have two, five year olds and a seven year old and wow. And um, I, I I guess maybe I guess maybe I’ll start here. Um, so I I’m married. I have a, I have a wife and if my wife’s in a, um, bad mood, um, it affects me. It affects me deeply. Or like if I saw my wife sad or scared, it like affects me deeply. And most of the, most of the world, anything I’m I’m and I’m really good at not being affected. I’m really, really fucking a centered person, but I’ve given myself so much to my wife emotionally. Um, and, and mentally and, and spiritually that it, um, I am connected to her. I, I, I I’ve lost myself in my identity as being mixed with her. Me probably not the most ideal thing, but, but in a, but it happens.

Sevan Matossian (24:42):

Right. And, and I’m okay with it. We’re a unit it’s love. Yeah. And it’ll go away when we die. I guess that being said, if I yell at one of my boys, my other two boys start crying. If one of my boys falls down and hurts themself, the other two fucking start crying and they run over to him and grab him. Yeah. If someone, if someone, if we’re at the park and, and, and my boy gets off his skateboard and another kid comes and grabs it, one of the other boys will come over and be like, yo, put my brother skateboard down. I mean, it’s like, they’re one person in how they move around together and how they hug and how they sleep and just everything that they’re doing. Um, it seems, it seems like you guys must be like really connected emotionally. The two of you.

Angelo (25:29):

Yeah. I mean, that’s something that we’ve kind of learned how to manage over the last couple years cuz it’s, it’s led us into good things and it’s also led us into trouble where it’s like, okay, one of us has to be the clear mind person to be able to be

Sevan Matossian (25:39):

Like, yeah, right. Snap out. Both, both. You can’t be losing your shit at the same time. Like if you read something that’s that upsets you on the internet, your brother has to stay calm. He can’t feed it. And the same thing on the other side, right.

Kalvin (25:52):

Hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, one of us is like, I would say, excuse me, he’s more of like a, I’ll say business mind. And then I’m more of kind of like a, not to, not to brag, but I’m kind of the pretty face of the, of the group. But um, no, he, there’s definitely one of us that, or there’s one of us that excels better in, in different areas.

Sevan Matossian (26:13):

But, but also it’s like this, like, um, I, I, I have friends who like, they’ll be at a bar and someone will bump ’em and their wife will like instigate them to fight. And I’m like, man, I would never want to be in a relationship like that. I would want my wife to keep me calm or let’s say, I get mad at my kids. My wife stays calm. We don’t both team up on my kids. Or if my wife gets mad at my kids, I stay calm. We both don’t team up on him. And I feel like you would have to be in that you guys have to, like, one of you always has to stay conscious. Both of you can’t fall asleep and be angry. Right,

Angelo (26:44):

Right. Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. The ying and yang to it. I guess you could say, man, that’s, that’s what, there’s a benefit to have us being twins is that there is two of us. So like, well, if I can’t handle one thing, he’s probably much better at communicating with women in a certain way. Or if I’m better at, you know, getting on a guy’s ass and telling him to pause, tell him to, you know, get his shit together, whatever, like I can do that without feeling any like, not sympathy, but like understanding, but I’m not gonna sit there and, you know, compromise with you and feel sad for you. Like there’s a certain time for, you know, hardened and there’s a certain time for softness.

Sevan Matossian (27:20):

What if something comes up between you two? Um, and that’s the problem. A lot of couples have someone will just keep swallowing it. Like, just be like, I’m not saying nothing. I’m not saying nothing. Do you guys have a, a communication technique? Or like, okay, Hey, we need to take space for 15 minutes or, Hey, we need to sit down and talk about this. I didn’t like what you said on camera here. And you’re put, you’re alienating this group of people or how do you guys manage? If you start judging each other?

Angelo (27:48):

It’s pretty funny. Like we just, we kinda just talk throughout the day and like, if something comes up, like, see like, yeah. When you were talking about that and then like, we’ll kind of discuss it right there and be like, yeah, that’s true. Like, and then we’ll go out and then, you know, handle our business the next day or whatever. And with that knowledge that we kind of already discussed it. Yeah. Even though we love each other, we never take anything personal. If that makes sense. There’s

Sevan Matossian (28:12):

Yeah. There’s no, I mean, you got that’s the way to succeed to Excel.

Kalvin (28:16):

Yeah. There’s no room in our business for us to be getting mad at each other cuz there’s somebody else that’s that’s grinding right now. And they’re hoping there’s Ricans in New York that are fucking worked out and getting shreded too

Sevan Matossian (28:26):

For <laugh>

Kalvin (28:29):

They’re hoping, they’re hoping that we’re, that we’re beating each other’s ass and you know, throwing, doing dumb shit. It’s we grown past that. We’ve learned like we’re just slowing ourself down every single time we argue or fight. Yeah. So there’s no point in it anymore. We just, we know what we want to do and we haven’t fought since I can. I put it, I know the day it was September, it was September 20 ish, 2021. So it’s coming up on a year, you know, in a couple months. But yeah, that was the last time it really got down and it was like, it was over some stupid shit. Can’t even remember why you did it. But something we,

Sevan Matossian (29:04):

I saw, I saw the video you guys put out or one of you punches the other one I’m I’m not gonna lie as a father that like broke my heart. Like when I see my boys do that to each other, it fucking breaks my heart. Uh oh, I lost it.

Angelo (29:17):

Yeah. It’s so dumb. And like that’s what happens. It’s like all you, you want to do that? Look how fucking dumb you look doing that. Let everybody see you do that. And like tell me what your opinion is. If you wanna keep doing that shit. And like that really got to us right there, cuz it’s like, why are we hurting each other? Like why? Like, and that, and it stemmed from a lot of bullshit online, honestly. Like a lot of bullshit you see online, you like that. We didn’t know how to handle emotionally at that point. Yeah. In beginning it was fine. We were not really <inaudible> but as you kind of get established in what you’re doing, you turn that off real alarm keeps going. Yeah. Um,

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