#450 | Atlas Games Finale

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Oh shit. You do see him. Wow. Bam. We’re like, bam. We’re like bam. We’re li bam. Bam. We’re li bam. We’re live with Andre. Who day? Bam. We’re like, Hey,

Andre Houdet (00:09):

Hey guys,

Sevan Matossian (00:10):

What’s up, dude? What’s

Andre Houdet (00:11):

Up man? Thanks

Sevan Matossian (00:13):

Robin. Did you pass the drug test?

Andre Houdet (00:15):

I hope so. I just came out it last man standing.

Sevan Matossian (00:19):

Oh, why? So long? Why so many hours?

Andre Houdet (00:22):

Cause I’m a gentleman. I let all the other ones pass first.

Sevan Matossian (00:25):

<laugh> oh, I think it was, they went by penis size. They started at the smallest <laugh>

Andre Houdet (00:31):

Hey, hopefully. No, but uh, it went fine.

Sevan Matossian (00:35):

Uh, where are you right now? Are you outside the venue?

Andre Houdet (00:37):

Yeah, I literally just exited.

Sevan Matossian (00:40):

And, and is there anyone around you, any friends or family?

Andre Houdet (00:43):

Well, I’m going to the celebration dinner that I I’m a bit late for <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (00:48):

So don’t worry. They won’t start without you. You are the celebration. <laugh>

Andre Houdet (00:52):

So, uh, so yeah, I’m going to meet a lot of friends who came to support me.

Sevan Matossian (00:56):

Isn’t it crazy. We just watched you for a whole weekend kicking ass, being a superstar on our TV, sets all around the world. And at the end of the day, you had to pee in front of a cup. And when you’re done, there’s no one out there waiting for you.

Andrew Hiller (01:08):


Andre Houdet (01:09):

Well, they’re waiting pretty close by, but yeah, it is, uh, it was a little bit anti Kleenex has sit there for four hours and waiting.

Sevan Matossian (01:17):

It’s a lonely and cold world at the top.

Andre Houdet (01:20):

<laugh> yeah, but there was a lot of other athletes. Like they really drug tested a lot. I think we were 28 athletes, drug tested.

Sevan Matossian (01:27):

Oh, everyone knows that you guys aren’t really drug tested and the drug testing at CrossFit HQ is a complete joke. I’m joking, Andre. I, I noticed

Andre Houdet (01:35):

I have no

Sevan Matossian (01:35):

Clue. It it’s very serious. I’m just, making’s about their ator because Hiller wears a tin foil hat, cuz Hiller’s like,

Andrew Hiller (01:42):

Do you know what the ator is? Seon? Yeah. It’s fake shock.

Sevan Matossian (01:46):

The fake penis.

Andrew Hiller (01:48):

You goon has one, but it’s not a ator. It’s just a, it’s the one that doesn’t w it’s just a fake cock,

Sevan Matossian (01:53):

Just a DDO

Andrew Hiller (01:55):

<laugh> to the show. Andre.

Sevan Matossian (01:57):

Andre. Do you remember the weekend? Do you remember? Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Andre Houdet (02:03):

Yeah. I remember everything

Sevan Matossian (02:05):

Awesome. So here we go. How, how old are you?

Andre Houdet (02:08):

I am 28.

Sevan Matossian (02:10):

And this is your, uh, how many trips have you made to the game? Is this your second trip?

Andre Houdet (02:16):

It’s my second trip as an individual, but I qualified through a team in two 20. Um, so it would essentially be my third if COVID wouldn’t have happened, but second individual.

Sevan Matossian (02:27):

And uh, in, in your background, is it Olympic lifting?

Andre Houdet (02:32):

No, it’s in American football where we never did any Olympic lifting, but if, I guess it just, uh, I’ve had some pretty good coaching on that. Luckily.

Sevan Matossian (02:41):

And, and what do you tr it’s more than coaching? You’re such a beautiful mover. When, when people talk about the best lifters in our space, it’s always, you know, G and, and yourself, your names that come up, what, what is it about, um, those lifts? Do you, do you love them and why do you think you move so well,

Andre Houdet (02:57):

I don’t know. I think maybe I’ve always had a narrative where it’s like, the other guys are fitter than me and better than me and stronger than me and all these kind of things. So I always kind of told myself I needed to be better at them than moving and I needed to be, I don’t know, like just, just have that intangible, which is moving well and really just trying to maximize that. So, so that I could compensate for perhaps lack of, um, genetic strength and yeah. Size.

Sevan Matossian (03:30):

Um, is, is that a, that lift that matches showed us? Is that on the second floor?

Andre Houdet (03:35):

No, that’s on the first floor. I live in like a country countryside house where we have like, the house is kind of split into three somehow. It’s, it’s all connected, but it’s like three parts. It’s a typical countryside home. And one of the kind lengths of the house is just one big gym, which is like, yeah, 150 square meters.

Sevan Matossian (03:57):

Um, uh, SU can you pull, pull up the finishes for, um, uh, this weekend? Uh, when, when were you the most nervous? When, when were you like uhoh like, did, did doubts creep into your brain? Like I may have, I may have shut the door on myself.

Andre Houdet (04:11):

Yeah, for sure. I, after the first event, uh, I finished 19th and that was a bit of a shocker. Uh, I thought I was gonna do better cuz it went, it went as good as I had imagined. And it went to the plan that I had planned for. And I was the last one off the runner, the last one off the rower, the last one off the double runners and for the Dublin nurse and pretty much the last one off the runner again in the end. Um, and I kind of, that kind of made me doubt a little bit. My, my training, I coached myself and have been for the past, like almost three years. So it, it, and I trained by myself in the middle of nowhere in the countryside all year long. So, so that was a little bit tough because in 2018 was when I was at regionals, it was triple three. That was my worst event. So I really had hoped to, to kind of make a statement for myself and show that I’ve been working on it, but clearly I have, I had not been working enough on it. And so, so that was a little bit of a tough, tough start to the weekend, but, uh, I’m happy. I just stayed in my zone and you know, I kept pushing and ended strong

Sevan Matossian (05:17):

W when you took, oh, go ahead. Was someone gonna ask something?

Andrew Hiller (05:20):

Yeah, I was gonna ask, do you think it’s the running or is it just the longer time domain in general for you?

Andre Houdet (05:25):

I think it’s the longer time domain. I think genetically, perhaps I’m, I’m more like a power athlete, even though I, I really don’t look like it. Um, but perhaps cuz American football is my background sport. Uh, perhaps the training we’ve been doing in the off season has been more just power output based. And I have never really been, you know, the, the guy who does long runs and, and those kind of things, but I’ve been working on it a lot, but not enough. And I think that just also tells me that I need to outsource, uh, coaching for that section to, to someone who really knows what they’re, what they’re doing perhaps more than me. And so I can get some help. Do you

Sevan Matossian (06:05):

Go ahead Taylor, go ahead.

Andrew Hiller (06:07):

<laugh> no, I was just gonna say you, I was nervous for you too. After the first event, actually on one of the earlier shows, I was worried about, uh, a couple of these other workouts after that, but it was pretty surprising, especially seeing you on, um, the Lego workout, the echo bike <inaudible> workout.

Andre Houdet (06:25):

Yeah. I was pretty surprised too. I’m not gonna lie.

Sevan Matossian (06:29):

<laugh> on the, on the second workout you end up taking, um, eighth place. And so that wraps up day one does, is, does, um, eighth give you, um, when you got that eighth and you go and you go to, uh, home that night and you’re in bed. Is your confidence back up a little bit or are you still shaking?

Andre Houdet (06:48):

Yeah, I think it was back up. I mean, I just I’m, I think I’m a very methodical guy. Um, and I, I really just try to stick to my plans. I have a little black book with all my notes and game plans and I promised myself before this weekend, regardless where I placed in each of the events that I would just stick to my plan and, and trust my paces and strategies because I, I don’t have anyone that I train with. So I’m always by myself. So I kind of have to just focus on what I can do and cuz I never really have anything to compare with. Um, but yeah, I wasn’t like feeling great after day one. I was a bit doubting, maybe the work I’d put in, even though I felt the, the preparations for this competition had been better than, than pretty much anything I’d ever done. And I’ve been super focused, no social media, no posting for whatever 20 plus days. And just really try to do all the small things.

Sevan Matossian (07:47):

Uh, what you, what do you do out there? What’s your, what’s your gig out there, out in the country?

Andre Houdet (07:53):

Uh, I’m a, I’m a, I’m a coach. I have a company called no shortcuts training where we provide online coaching similar to yeah. A lot of people like mayhem and phrases, hard work, pace off and, and those kind of programs. So it’s a generic training program where there’s three different options based on the time available for the athletes. And we have a pretty big community here in Europe and yeah. So that’s, that’s what I live off.

Sevan Matossian (08:17):

Can you pull that up, Susan? No shortcuts training. And, and are you the CRE, are you the founder creator of that?

Andre Houdet (08:23):

Yeah. Yeah. I’ve been, I actually coached before I started like pursuing my athletic career and I really love coaching. So when I’m done competing one day, then that’s what I’m gonna do full time. So I, I dream to be in the space for yeah, forever.

Sevan Matossian (08:39):

Um, Andre, that’s interesting cuz I was wondering what you have for accountability and uh, responsibility. And I guess you have your community, right? You might not have a coach. You might not have someone right next to you, but you have your community and I bet you feel some pressure from that. You don’t wanna let them down.

Andre Houdet (08:54):

Yeah. I, you know, there’s always, when you coach yourself, I think people have expectations that if I don’t do better each year, then maybe my programming is not working. And, and so, I mean maybe I put that pressure on myself, but I think there’s just an expectation of, you know, you have to prove that you service or your programming works. Um, so, so I was just happy to see that, you know, it did work this year again,

Sevan Matossian (09:20):

Uh, as you finished the, the, the last workout and um, did you know you’d made it?

Andre Houdet (09:26):

Yeah. Yeah. I, I was really surprised that I was ahead on, on, on the stations. Um, the strategy had paid off, so I just kind of paced, even though my body was dying, I felt like my mind was pretty clear throughout the workout. So I could have an overview over where the other guys were and I just needed to do just enough, uh, to make sure I finished first in that event.

Sevan Matossian (09:49):

Do, um, do you have any criticism for Hiller? Uh, do, do you hate his coach?

Andrew Hiller (09:54):

Yeah. He’s got the worst coach I’ve ever seen

Sevan Matossian (09:57):


Andrew Hiller (09:59):

Well, no, I wanted to know what you think you could have hit on that complex because I’m feeling you cut yourself off cuz you took the victory. Am I right? That’s about it.

Andre Houdet (10:08):

Yeah. I, I don’t know how much heavier I could go. I definitely like if I had another 10, the thing I would put 1 55 on one would be, that would be

Andrew Hiller (10:23):


Andre Houdet (10:23):


Sevan Matossian (10:24):

Wow. Okay.

Andre Houdet (10:25):

I, I don’t have like in my training, I’ve never done a lot of complexes, so I didn’t really have an idea. So I estimated based on what I saw in the other regions and I didn’t wanna play too risky, especially after a poor day one. So, so I needed to, to get a secure lift on that one. And one 50 felt really good. So I was, I was happy with that and I was also in the second heat. I wasn’t in the final heat, which then made me,

Andrew Hiller (10:58):

You cut out

Sevan Matossian (10:59):

Mm-hmm we lost his audio. Oh, he muted himself on accident.

Andrew Hiller (11:03):

I think you muted yourself. Come

Sevan Matossian (11:05):

Back. You muted yourself. Uh, on, on the who day, if you have to push the mute button <laugh> do you see it? I can’t unmute you. I try. Oh, close. You unmuted yourself for a second and then REM muted.

Andrew Hiller (11:23):

<laugh> that’s a good word. REM muted.

Sevan Matossian (11:26):

Just touch it very gently and

Andrew Hiller (11:29):

Rest put you hard it harder.

Sevan Matossian (11:30):

And then it, and can you just barely touch? Oh, I can’t unmute him.

Andrew Hiller (11:35):

Yeah. I tried to as

Sevan Matossian (11:36):

Well. He has to do it himself. Yeah. He barely have to touch the button. Andre. Do you see the mute button? You did it once you figured it out once <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (11:45):

You soon coach. He has to figure it out on his own already.

Sevan Matossian (11:47):

<laugh> uh, cool dude. That’s the first time I’ve talked to him. What a cool. He

Andrew Hiller (11:51):

Just, he just left like that? No, no, he goes he’s back. He’s

Andre Houdet (11:54):

Yeah. Sorry about that. Somebody just called me

Sevan Matossian (11:56):

That’s okay. Oh. Are you at the, are you at the restaurant where your friends and family are?

Andre Houdet (11:59):

Yeah, I actually am.

Sevan Matossian (12:00):

Okay. Uh, final question.

Andre Houdet (12:04):

Hi. Yes. Thank you.

Sevan Matossian (12:06):

When, when will you come to this? When will you come to the states? Sorry, not final question. When will you come to the states?

Andre Houdet (12:12):

Um, that’s gonna be last minute because my wife is giving birth, uh, grace, like one week, one week before. So it’s gonna be a bit tight, but, um,

Andrew Hiller (12:22):

Father Andre.

Andre Houdet (12:23):

Let’s see.

Sevan Matossian (12:25):

All right brother. Hey, great meeting you. I really appreciate your time. I really, really appreciate, appreciate your time. Thanks for coming on.

Andre Houdet (12:31):

Thanks a lot for having me. Appreciate it.

Sevan Matossian (12:33):

Yep. We’ll be in touch.

Mattew Souza (12:34):


Andre Houdet (12:34):

Fun. Thank you. Take care guys.

Sevan Matossian (12:36):


Andrew Hiller (12:37):

Take care, man.

Sevan Matossian (12:38):

Hey, uh, Taylor, is that re, is that, is that real? Um, what he said, uh, he got off social media for 20 days as part of his, you know, discipline to build up like as like he uses that as part of his proof that like, Hey, I’m taking this seriously social media, that big of a distraction for some of these athletes.

Andrew Hiller (13:02):

Fuck. Yeah, it is.

Andrew Hiller (13:04):

I think for some people it’s I think for some people it’s a big distraction. Um,

Sevan Matossian (13:09):

What does that look like? They’re on the assault bike and instead of warming up, they’re fucking like looking at their phones, doing their social media,

Andrew Hiller (13:15):

You Taylor, I’m sure you know the people out there that come to mind when you think of they’re doing a workout and they’re almost more considering where their cameras facing their workout than their actual workout.

Andrew Hiller (13:25):

That’s a good point. I see. I didn’t, yeah. I didn’t even think about that cuz I never film myself when I’m training and my coach actually is like, Hey, can we get some stuff on video? I’m like, yeah, yeah. Um, I didn’t even think about that. I was thinking more of what, what Seon says. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (13:41):

Like just like you feel like you need to get back to your peeps,

Andrew Hiller (13:43):

They finish at workout and they’re just like fucking on their phone scrolling and I’m like, dude, will you like, hang out

Andrew Hiller (13:50):

On the first side. I know athletes that’ll record movements of their workout after they’ve done their workout. So let’s say they were doing fer. They would do fer and then they would record some thrusters and pullups afterwards and say, Hey, look at me doing Fran. Like that was, yeah,

Sevan Matossian (14:04):

That’s better. That sounds smarter. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (14:06):


Andrew Hiller (14:06):


Mattew Souza (14:07):

It’s a love Haven relationship. Cuz they gotta build their brand. They need to be, have notice. They need to have a following, but at the same time they need to get their job done. So it’d be easy to get sucked into that if you’re always worried about making content and everything else versus your training. So I actually like the finish and then just do a few movements for something for content compartmentalize.

Andrew Hiller (14:23):

Hate it, but it makes a lot more sense of

Mattew Souza (14:25):

You. It does. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (14:26):

I like, no fuck you. If you wanna see me do thrusters, you’re gonna have to see them. Non-authentic thrusters

Andrew Hiller (14:32):

Subscribe amount wall profile. It’s

Sevan Matossian (14:37):

Just turn it off for 20 days. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (14:39):

Yeah. Fuck it. I mean I, I mean, yeah. There’s, you know, you have followers, you

Andrew Hiller (14:49):

Have fans. I was just reading that.

Sevan Matossian (14:51):

Yeah. Um, Seon, you stated that Medicare was free for everyone. That didn’t make sense. This has never happened in my career medicine American. I apologize. Uh it’s it’s absolutely free. You can, anyone can go into a hospital anywhere, anytime and get treatment. I don’t know what you don’t understand about that. And it’s always been like that. And it’s only recently since they passed Obamacare that poor people have to pay for it. And not that, and let’s not, let’s not speak in misnomers nothing’s ever been free. Nothing is free. That’s fuckery, that’s word fuckery. And I apologize if I use the word free and thank you for calling me on it. And the second thing, my, my main point was is that health insurance is a misnomer. It’s what people who have assets get in the United States to protect their assets so that if they do fucking get hit by a car or something and they need a fucking heart transplant, um, they would get it. They would get it for, it would be covered by our government. But if you have a house, they’ll come take your fucking house. That’s all I’m saying. And it’s the same thing in fucking every country. They just guys it as something different, not every country, but the good countries. What do I mean by the good countries where you don’t die from a beasting where your kid doesn’t die from a B ring. That’s a good fucking country. That’s what I’m saying.

Andrew Hiller (15:57):

Anthony Andrews, a

Sevan Matossian (15:58):

Homeless person. And that’s, and let’s not also forget that in this country, the United States, I can’t speak for the other countries. It’s probably not like this in the great country of Sweden or Switzerland, but in this country, 86% of that healthcare expenditure is people who are complicit in their demise. They are fucking the rest of us. Mm-hmm <affirmative> because they’ve chosen lifestyle choices that make it so that they’re consuming fucking all the resources because they have to drink three Cokes a day or because you’ve got fucking idiots, like fucking bio lane and those other fucking idiots who think it’s okay to drink, eat donuts three times a week. Oh, but it’s okay if you count your macros, go fuck yourself. Okay. Where were we? Uh,

Andrew Hiller (16:37):

600 live listeners just caught your way. Social media,

Sevan Matossian (16:40):

Social media. So why not just, um, I wonder if camps have that. I wonder if like you go into the think training camp. Um, and uh, and max Hodge is like, okay, everyone, you have to leave your phones at the door. Like you can’t bring your phones in here. Like it’s this is phone off time.

Andrew Hiller (16:53):

You know, there is a point in time in the gym where I was gonna have like a

Sevan Matossian (16:56):

And thank you DS. I gotcha. I love you. I love you. You’re a good dude. Thanks for listening to me. Get all wound up. I just, I be just battling with Europeans in my, in my DMS and I love the Europeans too, but they, they need to get their Dick stepped on a little bit. <laugh> okay, go ahead.

Andrew Hiller (17:08):

I’m so opinionated about the cell phone and the social media thing that please, when I was at the gym, I was gonna have everybody down, everyone download an app that would track their time and everyone’s got it. And I think it’s standard in the iPhone. Now that there’s just a tracker for how much time you spent on whatever the hell app you’re on. And I was gonna have like some sort of initiative sort of plan at the gym. Like they have the weight loss plans. Mine was gonna be a detox of the social media and cell phone time. I never ended up doing it. But the reason behind it was because everyone’s wasting so much goddamn time on their freaking cell phones. And I actually know got,

Sevan Matossian (17:39):

What do you mean wasy though? I really like my cell phone. What do you mean? Like gimme an example of an athlete who something an athlete. If you saw behavior from one of your athletes that you’d be like, Hey, that’s, that’s impeding your ability to perform at your highest level.

Andrew Hiller (17:52):

I just told you,

Sevan Matossian (17:53):


Andrew Hiller (17:54):

Okay. The athletes that like to you’ll see ’em doing assault, bike intervals, and they’ll be changing around the, the, the angle of their phone. So they can put together a really cool clip for their social media later. It’s like focus on the fucking assault, bike intervals. And then, you know what happens every year? They shit, the bed, when it comes, when push comes to shove mm-hmm <affirmative> cause they haven’t been prioritizing the workout and then they can make a social media post because they have more followers who will all listen to their SAB story.

Andrew Hiller (18:19):

I think that’s an interesting thing though, cuz they’re I struggle with that too. Like be, you know, wanting to be a person who experiences the moment in the physical world in life, be away from the phone. But also we are in we’re in uh, this weird state and time period where that all that shit is so important. Yeah. Well seemingly seemingly important. It’s how these people are making fuck loads of money. Um, so I don’t know. It’s it just begs the question. Is it actually a waste of time? If Danny Spiegel can take a picture of her ass and make however much money off of it or go win an event at a yeah. It’s a tool. It depends on how I’m gonna get crushed for that comment. Yeah. So

Sevan Matossian (19:01):

It’s not, it’s not used paying to see your ass. Why would you get in trouble? It’s Hiller. I

Andrew Hiller (19:05):

Actually am

Sevan Matossian (19:05):

Paying Hiller. Yeah,

Andrew Hiller (19:07):

Hill’s a

Andrew Hiller (19:08):

Subscriber. So

Sevan Matossian (19:09):

Hey hill,

Andrew Hiller (19:09):

I’m her a hundred thousand subscribers at $5 a month.

Sevan Matossian (19:12):

I’ve been wanting to check this out. Everyone brace your Hiller. Are you sitting down brace yourself for

Andrew Hiller (19:17):

I’m not no, I’ve been lunging this whole time. That’s

Sevan Matossian (19:19):

Up? Oh fuck. This is gonna be the meanest thing I’ve ever said to you. Ready?

Andrew Hiller (19:22):


Sevan Matossian (19:24):

Interesting. That Katherine didn’t make the games this year. Pro she probably should have stuck with Ben Berger on ha

Andrew Hiller (19:30):


Sevan Matossian (19:30):

You kidding? Oh. Oh,

Andrew Hiller (19:33):

How did she do last year?

Sevan Matossian (19:34):

I don’t know. How did, did she go?

Andrew Hiller (19:36):

I don’t remember. Actually. Fuck.

Sevan Matossian (19:38):

I like yummy. I hate using that as a Yi is a great coach, but I just using that because you’re like, that’s the same argument you’re being. People are like, Hey, Chandler Smith should switch. And it’s like, Hey, well we look catch switched and nothing happened. Got works.

Andrew Hiller (19:50):

Right. I’m looking into it. How did Kron do last year? I don’t think she made

Sevan Matossian (19:53):

It. Send me a box of chocolate then I’ll stop picking on you.

Andrew Hiller (19:56):

This wasn’t uh, top 10. I don’t believe

Andrew Hiller (20:00):

Maybe she did.

Andrew Hiller (20:02):

Oh, she was at the games.

Andrew Hiller (20:04):

She was at the game. She finished 10th. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (20:06):

Hey I’m I’m thinking about getting on the Emmas and um, train, like really hardcore, like maybe like I have this Colton Merton’s no not getting on the Emmason train.

Andrew Hiller (20:15):

No, sorry. I’m I’m mad at myself or not knowing where she was at last year.

Sevan Matossian (20:19):

I was Emma Lawson is incredible. I know what you guys are gonna say. It’s what Brian said. And it’s Jr said, Hey look who she was competing against, but still I’m um, man, she must be so proud. Her parents must be so proud of her.

Andrew Hiller (20:35):

That’s super badass.

Sevan Matossian (20:37):

17 years old. Has anyone done that before? At her age one? She, the youngest person, I know she’s the fourth youngest ever to go to the CrossFit games. Uh, but has, has anyone at her age ever won a, uh, competition? This, this significant

Andrew Hiller (20:50):

Mel second, last year, right at granite games.

Andrew Hiller (20:53):

Yeah. And she was 18.

Andrew Hiller (20:55):

Mm. Then yeah, totally. The youngest

Sevan Matossian (20:58):

It’s crazy. Hey, and someone and someone in those Lamas comments said, um, something really smart. They said, and if I would’ve been doing an interview at 17, I’d look like a deer in headlight. I agree. She’s well spoken. Mm-hmm <affirmative> they said, how do you feel? She says, I think my smile says it all. It’s like, dang, you sharp. You sharp. You talk good.

Andrew Hiller (21:18):

<laugh> you Don know what I was thinking. Good. I, I was thinking, imagine being a 24, 26, maybe even a 30 year old athlete. And then you see this girl come out in, just wipe the floor with all of you. And then like, how is she gonna do the games? Let’s say she does like a fifth place finish at the games. It’s like, what the hell are you going to do as a 25 to 30 year old? Who’s like probably trying to win the CrossFit games. Maybe you’re like, oh, I’m gonna go beat Tia next year. And then you see Emma Lawson coming up at 17 <laugh> you’re like, oh, well fuck me. Right.

Mattew Souza (21:49):

She’s gonna

Andrew Hiller (21:50):

Just wipe the floor with everybody for the next decade. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (21:54):

Yeah. It’s it’s it’s emotional. It’s gotta be emotional head. Fuck for those who are older around her, it’s kind of like, um, um, I was gonna make fun of Taylor’s knee, but it, it just wasn’t gonna come out. Right? Uh, yeah. It’s it’s, it’s gotta be brutal. You um, I mean, look at, they ask Carolyn Prevo and her exit interview. What’s it like, you know, being the grandma on the bunch and it’s like, Hey man, it’s a real deal. This girl can get thi while this girl will get better between now and the CrossFit games, mm-hmm

Mattew Souza (22:24):


Sevan Matossian (22:26):

Some athletes will get worse.

Mattew Souza (22:27):

Mm-hmm <affirmative>, it’s just gonna skew younger as it goes on. And on that just, I mean, you have the background of CrossFit now. She started when she was seven, right? Like it’s, you’re gonna have a bunch of other athletes that are gonna have that same thing. So their pedigree is gonna be growing up in the gym, growing up with CrossFit. And they’re just gonna have more repetitions than some of these older athletes. And as they get older, like Seon said, they’re, it’s just gonna be tougher on their bodies. Harder to recover. Not gonna move as quick.

Andrew Hiller (22:51):

You think it’ll look like gymnastics. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (22:53):

Or like I don’t get

Andrew Hiller (22:55):

Star in their teenage years to,

Mattew Souza (22:58):

I think the 17 to like, to like 20 in the next couple years will be the, the sweet spot. And you’ll see more and more top five, uh, people, the strength in this.

Andrew Hiller (23:06):

Yeah. The strength taste.

Andrew Hiller (23:08):

Don’t I dunno.

Mattew Souza (23:09):

I mean, not to not room for him, but,

Sevan Matossian (23:11):

And don’t speak Taylor, then don’t speak.

Andrew Hiller (23:13):

No, I’m just saying, I don’t know that. I agree.

Sevan Matossian (23:15):

Cause the show for only know at alls. Oh, okay. Go you. But, but, but do you see what I’m, I mean, she’s gonna get better in, in four months.

Andrew Hiller (23:22):

Well, the other thing here’s the other thing. So she has been doing CrossFit since what? She was seven years old. They said, yeah. So she’s been doing CrossFit for the same period of time that someone who started when they were 15 and now they’re 22 or 23 or 24. So they have the same amount of accumulation of reps. And potentially her body is gonna last a little bit longer. But at the same time, I just don’t see how her starting younger equates to her having so much of, I, I mean, you just look at other professional sports just because a kid starts football when he’s seven, for,

Sevan Matossian (23:56):

For sure. Starts for sure. Burnout and all that stuff. But she’s made it past that though. But she’s made it past that. Right? I, I agree with what you’re saying, Taylor, but we’re, we’re looking at one example. That’s kind, I mean, she’s made it, her cursed at her, right? I mean, right. They’ve made it through the, the worst,

Andrew Hiller (24:12):

The burnout she’s 17. How has she made it to the burnout?

Andrew Hiller (24:16):

This girl ain’t gonna burn.

Andrew Hiller (24:18):

Well, what you need, what we need to wait and see is what is she gonna be like when she’s 25, 26, 27? Cause you see athlete, like

Andrew Hiller (24:25):

I hate game. She’s gonna beat everybody forever.

Andrew Hiller (24:27):

Yeah. I dunno

Andrew Hiller (24:28):

Calling it.

Andrew Hiller (24:30):

You and Brian do this thing where it’s like, you we’re gonna years

Andrew Hiller (24:35):

35 years. We’re gonna say that she was the best ever, but no, I think she’s great. Forever.

Sevan Matossian (24:41):

Hiller, Hiller. Are you talking about Emma?

Andrew Hiller (24:43):

Emma? Yeah. Yeah. I think that next year she’s gonna be like maybe possibly better than Mel O’Brien.

Sevan Matossian (24:48):

Yeah, I do.

Andrew Hiller (24:49):

I agree. I don’t think she she’ll take her on this year.

Andrew Hiller (24:52):

This is another thing we’re never gonna see this kind of thing in the men’s field.

Sevan Matossian (24:55):

Oh shit. Really? I say that. Yeah. I that

Andrew Hiller (24:58):

Its so biologically different. Mm-hmm

Andrew Hiller (25:00):

<affirmative> I okay, there you go. I agree with that. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (25:02):

I think the guys will always skew a little bit older for sure. When do we fucking catch them? Because it’s like that with my friends who have like six year old daughters and, and my son’s like seven and a half. They like run circles around them. Like they, they can talk ’em like into anything. The girls are just like more advanced mm-hmm <affirmative>

Andrew Hiller (25:19):

You know, this might be a good time to go back to what we were talking about yesterday with the fittest documentary, the next generation. Remember when you were trying to talk about Tia and how she said something along the lines of what, what is it that you, that she said that you didn’t like Sevan,

Sevan Matossian (25:33):

Right? Right. Let’s play it real quick. Will you play that? The beginning of that trailer? For me, I don’t like the fact that she has to justify even for one second that she treats this like a professional sport it’s like,

Andrew Hiller (25:44):

And I have something I wanna bring up in relation to that by the way. Okay. Okay. Go ahead. So we can play first if you want.

Sevan Matossian (25:49):

Okay. Gimme a second. Are you gonna say like what Carolyn Prevo was saying that how she’s a school teacher and how someone else was saying that the, the Italian chick was saying that she does Photoshop and shit like that. Is that what she used to Taylor?

Andrew Hiller (26:02):

Uh, I, I, what I wanna say is that she, she brings up the professionalism of the sport and how like, this is her full time job. She trains her whole life and I just brought up gymnast and I don’t know if Taylor or 700 SU if any of you guys know, but I definitely know people who basically from the time they were four years old, their parents were pushing the shit out of them becoming like professional baseball players. Sure. And I don’t think that someone like Tia had that sort of an upbringing, I don’t know for sure, but I think don’t know of any of the CrossFit who like they were born and from the time they were born, it’s like, oh, you’re gonna work with the best coach for this. And you’re gonna be on this sort of a training regimen. And I know that there’s Olympic gymnasts and like the like America level at the Olympics,

Sevan Matossian (26:44):

It’s, it’s pinned in the games Instagram.

Mattew Souza (26:46):

Sorry, go ahead. I have it. I have it up.

Andrew Hiller (26:49):

I just dunno.

Sevan Matossian (26:51):

But Hiller, we do know that we do know that she, we do know that she had, uh, Tia had Olympic aspirations before she became a CrossFitter and I think it was in track and field.

Andrew Hiller (26:59):


Sevan Matossian (27:00):


Andrew Hiller (27:01):

I wonder if she was brought up for that then that’s kinda what I’m saying though. It’s getting younger

Sevan Matossian (27:05):

And younger soon you gotta have it up there so that we’ll stop talking.

Mattew Souza (27:07):

Okay. Well I just don’t know how much of it we could play here. That’s my, you know,

Sevan Matossian (27:11):

It’s Instagram. You play, play, play the whole, the first part. Instagram.

Mattew Souza (27:14):

YouTube. Hold

Sevan Matossian (27:14):

On. Oh yeah. Play. Yeah. Either way, either way. Go ahead. All right, go ahead. Fuck it. Let’s play the first 20 seconds

Speaker 6 (27:22):

Craft as a profession.

Sevan Matossian (27:23):

Go, go start again.

Speaker 6 (27:25):

I would,

Sevan Matossian (27:27):

There we go.

Speaker 6 (27:29):

I go to the gym every single day. I treat my craft as a profession. I would argue the fact that I am just as professional. If not more than another athlete that is going to a sport that has been around for

Andrew Hiller (27:49):

That. Was

Sevan Matossian (27:49):

It the fuck? Is she even talking about, but that’s

Andrew Hiller (27:51):

What I want to say.

Sevan Matossian (27:52):

There’s no way. There’s no way. She said someone Franken bit that together. I just can’t see her saying that shit.

Andrew Hiller (27:59):

That that’s what I’m talking about. That’s what I heard that I was like, ah, I know people personally that aren’t, that aren’t as good as she is. That took it way more seriously when they were being brought up.

Sevan Matossian (28:08):

She doesn’t need to say that

Andrew Hiller (28:10):

She doesn’t need to say that either,

Andrew Hiller (28:11):

Right? No, that that’s. Yeah. I, I agree. A hundred percent with you Savon and you there’s experience all or at least examples all over other sports of fucking shithead pro athletes that just clearly don’t take their job that professionally,

Sevan Matossian (28:23):

I put her against any fucking human being on the planet. You randomly pick 10 things out of the hopper. You get, you can pick a dude. I don’t care. Like she, she, I mean, just embarrassed for her that she says that and that and comes out like that. She is a she’s the gold standard. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, there’s, there’s no second place in her, in her world or, or even, even the, even in the adjacent worlds. Yeah. I, you know, sorry, go ahead, Hillary.

Andrew Hiller (28:48):

I think we’re saying different things, but I do agree with what you’re saying. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (28:50):

What are you saying? Sorry. I’m getting all fired up. Go ahead. What are you saying?

Andrew Hiller (28:53):

No, I just agree with what you’re saying, but what I was saying was that she’s saying that, and yet is not as professional and has been doing it as the other athletes have. Oh, for what I was trying to say through their upbringing, to what I know, which I suppose isn’t that much.

Sevan Matossian (29:11):

No, you know, a lot, you know, a lot.

Andrew Hiller (29:13):


Sevan Matossian (29:13):

Appreciate it. And we know, you know, a lot. Um let’s can you pull up the leader board again? SU mm-hmm <affirmative> um, going to Patrick ner, I heard, uh, I don’t know who it was. It was either Joel or Mr. Conway say that he missed his first rope jump. Like the same thing Maderas did

Andrew Hiller (29:32):

Exactly the same. Mm-hmm <affirmative> I gotta log off here in a second guys.

Sevan Matossian (29:37):

Did you guys see that?

Andrew Hiller (29:39):


Mattew Souza (29:39):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative> it didn’t send that far behind though at first. So, and he kinda laughed about it. Pat kinda laughed about and shook his head as he ran back off too. Did you see that? Well, what did you think about the fact when, when he grabbed his truck and he dropped it and he went back for it and lost the bicycle governor, that’s just kind of what he does. I actually thought that was more of a hang up than the missed rope climb at first.

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