#449 | Strength in Depth & Atlas Games Pt. 5

Andrew Hiller (00:00):

All right. I’ll be honest. I didn’t catch a lot of the

Sevan Matossian (00:03):

Heat for at we’re live. I just wanted tell you that before you say something crazy. Bam we’re live.

Andrew Hiller (00:09):

Didn’t say anything

Sevan Matossian (00:10):

Crazy. You didn’t, you didn’t, you didn’t catch what?

Andrew Hiller (00:13):

I didn’t catch a lot of the mail heat for event five. Cause I was plugging together. My catching David’s daughter thing.

Sevan Matossian (00:19):

I just like it. When you see

Andrew Hiller (00:20):

Plug excuse,

Sevan Matossian (00:22):

Uh, guys, uh, I’m gonna start to show with something that’s um, uh, off topic, uh, but who cares? It’s my show. And um, those of you who follow the show know that I’m always all over the place. I’ve I’ve been, I’ve been on my Instagram. I’ve been taking some jabs at Europe and Canada and Australia for, I don’t know, two years now. Love you guys. Just fucking with you guys. Everyone take a chill, but I wanna tell you something that you guys have confused over there. That three people brought up to me today. You guys talk about universal healthcare and, and, and, and how great though your countries are because you have healthcare for everyone. You have to understand something there’s different ways to think about stuff. And when you’re given, when the media gives you a way to think about something and you get stuck thinking about it, you’re blind, and I’m gonna explain it to you like this.

Sevan Matossian (01:08):

And some of you are gonna be really excited and don’t, if you’re a European or Canadian or Australian, don’t feel bad, most Americans don’t understand this either. They’re tricked also, it’s just word trickery. It’s just word fuckery. It happens to all of us, okay? In this country prior to Obamacare, everyone in this country had free healthcare, not free. It’s not free, but everyone had healthcare. The, our hospitals in the United States will never turn anyone away. We had healthcare for everyone and anyone. We had what you guys call universal healthcare. And we had it for everyone.

Sevan Matossian (01:41):

Those of us, we have nothing. They call it health insurance. That those of us have, but it’s not health insurance. It’s a misnomer. They’ve tricked you into thinking of the world like that in the United States. And most of the citizens in the United States have fallen for it too. And you guys have fallen for it too. No one in this country has health insurance. What they have is asset protection insurance. All of our healthcare has always been provided for all of the citizens in this country at no cost to them. But when you own a home, you have to get health insurance. They call it health insurance. It’s not really health insurance to protect your assets. Because that way, if, um, you have a hospital bill, that’s like $50,000, they won’t take your home for, from you. You understand what I’m saying? It’s a misnomer. It’s not health insurance, it’s asset protection insurance. And because you believe what the news tells you and how they word things, you think that’s the way it works. But it’s only recently with the advent of something that they called Obamacare that poor people started having to pay for insurance.

Sevan Matossian (02:46):

Now, if you’re you don’t have health insurance, poor people are, um, you’re now fine at the end of the year by your taxes, but it used to be free for everyone. You have to know that it was free for everyone in this country. And it always has been. And just people who own homes, we would get health insurance that way. Like if we got in a car accident and then, and the bill was gonna be 3 million for a new lung, we wouldn’t have to put a lien against our house. We had insurance to get, we had asset protection insurance. That’s all it is. It’s a complete misunderstanding to call it health insurance, but you fall for it. Or you fall for this stuff because you listen to the news and you listen to how they word stuff. But I just wanna let you know, three, uh, three, three of you from Europe. Um, and Canada and Australia have been using that as an argument. No one gets turned away in this country. It’s only recently, um, that the liberals have made it. The poor people have to pay health insurance up until then. It, it, it was, uh, free for everyone. Okay. Now, now we’ve established. You got a little lesson. It’s not health insurance. It’s asset protection insurance. Understand everyone makes sense to you.

Andrew Hiller (03:40):

Okay? I don’t get it. You have to, you do that all over again.

Taylor Self (03:43):

All right. Atlas games

Andrew Hiller (03:48):

Gotta understand

Taylor Self (03:53):

ATS. He’s trying to prove asbestos poisoning ball.

Sevan Matossian (03:58):

Um, I will just come in hot here and just say that, um, uh, you guys are wrong about the stepping over the bar bell.

Taylor Self (04:08):

It’s so fucking dumb. We’re not wrong.

Sevan Matossian (04:10):

No, it’s not dumb. It’s not dumb. It’s

Andrew Hiller (04:12):

Why is it not dumb? Tell us, tell us why it’s not dumb.

Sevan Matossian (04:15):

You probably think jumping pull ups are dumb too. You probably think no,

Andrew Hiller (04:17):

I love jumping. No,

Sevan Matossian (04:19):

Because because you call it scaling, but it’s not scaling. No, it’s a different, it’s a different stimulus. It’s just a different stimulus,

Taylor Self (04:26):

Dude. I think step up burpees or sorry. I step up pullups would be fucking dumb. If you just had to step up to another box to get your chin over the bar, that’d be dumb.

Sevan Matossian (04:36):


Andrew Hiller (04:37):

Just so everyone in the freaking comment section knows in the world. That’s watching this right now. I see the step up burpees and I’m like watching it. And the first thing I do is I shoot a text message. I’m like, guys, I’m so fucking pissed off about these. And I guarantee you it’s Sevan did is. He goes, I’m gonna say that they’re not dumb. Just so I get ’em all pissed off. No,

Sevan Matossian (04:52):


Andrew Hiller (04:53):

Thinks they’re dumb. I know he thinks they’re actually dumb. Why are they not dumb? You haven’t said anything yet.

Sevan Matossian (04:57):

No. I just told you. It’s a different stimulus. You guys are being trick. There’s people in the comments say it’s scaling and what’s

Andrew Hiller (05:03):

The stimulus. What’s the stimulus that

Taylor Self (05:05):

You unfit

Sevan Matossian (05:08):


Andrew Hiller (05:08):

Backwards. Get worse.

Sevan Matossian (05:09):

Listen, listen, I’ll tell you what it is. The jumping doesn’t change the workout that much. And what it does is it fixes the judging problem completely. Now the judges only have to worry about the person getting on the other side of

Andrew Hiller (05:19):

The bar, you know, whose fault that is, who across its fault. I don’t way the two foot jump. They’re like, you do this. You can do that. You can kind of jump. They’re moving the wrong way. Yeah.

Taylor Self (05:29):

Here. And here’s the other thing, the, how you

Sevan Matossian (05:31):

Think they’re dumbing it down. You think they’re going to the lowest common denominator instead of fixing the problem.

Taylor Self (05:36):

I think the problem wasn’t really the jump over the bur because how close one foot was to the other to leaving at the same time is not as egregious as your fucking chest. Not in the floor.

Andrew Hiller (05:45):

True. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (05:46):

Okay. Okay. So let, um, Jr. Do you wanna weigh in on this thing to step over? Do you have a, do you have

Andrew Hiller (05:51):

Jr a problem with it? I would. I would, yeah, I would. I would first

JR Howell (05:54):

Like to weigh in on the room that I’m in because everyone seems to

Andrew Hiller (05:57):

Keep moving.

JR Howell (05:58):

So hold on one second. The

Andrew Hiller (05:59):

Monster sign was there.

Sevan Matossian (06:00):

It’s because he didn’t pay for his health insurance people.

Caleb Beaver (06:02):

He’s in a local penitentiary, everybody. What is this?

Sevan Matossian (06:06):


Caleb Beaver (06:06):

He’s at a zoo. <laugh> red

Sevan Matossian (06:10):

Rider. What is that? Do, do you rub that to get your tea? Count up? What the hell is that?

JR Howell (06:15):

Do you guys know? Do, do you know what a herd of rhinos is called?

Caleb Beaver (06:18):

No. Called a crash. A crash.

Andrew Hiller (06:21):

Hey, look who casual center.

JR Howell (06:23):

So that’s, that’s where cross crash came from. I am not in a bathroom. I’m in the lobby. All

Andrew Hiller (06:29):

Right. Of what the lobby of what?

JR Howell (06:31):

Of my gym.

Andrew Hiller (06:33):

Nice. You have a lobby.

Caleb Beaver (06:34):


JR Howell (06:36):

And I was in the, I was in the kids’ room, but some, uh, children came in there. So I left.

Taylor Self (06:41):

Someone said, Jr, got a rhino in his toilet. <laugh>

JR Howell (06:48):

Yeah, I would. I would like to just say that. Um, yeah, me and Jason and uh, we’re training and I showed him the video of people doing step overs. And I said, I don’t care if you’re allowed to do it. If you do it, I will never let you back into the gym.

Andrew Hiller (07:04):


Sevan Matossian (07:06):

If you step over, who, who will, you never let back in the gym if they step over, if they do that

Caleb Beaver (07:11):

Thumb dumb, dumb Mason.

Sevan Matossian (07:12):

Oh. Cause he was stepping over.

JR Howell (07:14):

No, just because I think it’s silly.

Sevan Matossian (07:16):

Okay. It’s

Caleb Beaver (07:17):

Very aesthetically pleasing.

Sevan Matossian (07:18):

But what about I under I can maybe understand in your gym setting, let’s say, ah, I’m like, okay, fine. You guys win. I’m okay. I’ll back off that one.

Andrew Hiller (07:28):

It looks fucking ridiculous. I

Caleb Beaver (07:30):

Don’s so bad.

Andrew Hiller (07:31):

You turn on the fittest on earth competition and you, you see this after three weeks,

Caleb Beaver (07:35):

It’s like watching

Andrew Hiller (07:36):

Thes every once in a while.

Caleb Beaver (07:37):

Click on.

Andrew Hiller (07:38):

Yeah. Walking the Olympics, you click on you turn it off. You’re like they’re walking for speed.

Caleb Beaver (07:43):

Like that’s exactly what it looks like.

Sevan Matossian (07:45):


Andrew Hiller (07:45):

Let’s move. Curling is kind of comical. You wanna move on. I’m not ready to move on.

Caleb Beaver (07:49):


Andrew Hiller (07:50):

Six years ago, you turn on ESPN and you see these bad. Sasses doing all this crazy shit. And this year it’s like, you know what? There’s this live stream I’m gonna click on. And you see, ’em like walking around to barbell. It’s like, okay, I’m gonna turn that off.

Taylor Self (08:01):

Yeah, they’re doing med ball GDS in the fucking desert of California. And now they’re stepping over a bar. My mom does that when she, my mom doesn’t even do that. My fucking 62 year old mom jumps over the bar.

Sevan Matossian (08:14):

That’s not safe. Uh, let’s

Andrew Hiller (08:18):

Talk about saying it was a safety issue.

Sevan Matossian (08:19):

Let’s talk. No, I’m just saying I don’t have a problem with it. Like you guys do. I think it’s great. I think what it did is it fix the judging problem and you guys can’t be happy. You guys cannot be happy,

Taylor Self (08:28):

But that’s not the, but here’s the thing they created.

Sevan Matossian (08:31):

And I’m sorry to attack your character. I know it’s not it’s it’s, it’s, it’s it’s unbecoming of me. I apologize.

Taylor Self (08:37):

I get what you’re saying, but I also think that the feet leaving the ground at the same time or a little bit different was never that big of a judging problem. I think when they, yeah, I don’t know. I mean, there was a lot of

Andrew Hiller (08:49):

The first time it was a problem was 18.2.

Taylor Self (08:52):

When Emma

Andrew Hiller (08:53):

Played that 10 to, I think it was that 10 to one. And then they did the heavy squat clean afterwards, and everyone was trying to rifle through those burpees. And you would click on the internet, you’d see people posting their burpees and everyone was doing that like shuffle jump. So like are their feet really taken off two at a time? And I think that was the advent of everybody trying to not two foot take off two foot land and

Taylor Self (09:11):

It’s, and that was that backwards.

Andrew Hiller (09:13):

It wasly since then.

Taylor Self (09:14):

Yeah. But even if you watch those videos, it’s not like that.

Sevan Matossian (09:18):

That’s like he’s shirt. Excuse me. He’s shirtless. All right.

Andrew Hiller (09:23):

<laugh> excuse me.

Taylor Self (09:26):

Yeah. I, I, what I was gonna say is I think the Warren burpees are way worse.

Sevan Matossian (09:30):

Hopper. Is that true? That you step over the bar in, um, when you do a bar. Okay. Okay. Okay, buddy. Thank you. Fucking hairless cat. Uh, let’s talk about, let’s talk about the chest. Let’s talk about the chest. Um, touching the ground at first. I wanted to ding catch for that, but it’s so hard to tell.

Andrew Hiller (09:52):

I, I slowed it down and made a little post about it. If you wanna check that out.

Sevan Matossian (09:56):

Okay. Can we, can we see that Caleb?

Andrew Hiller (09:58):

It’s, it’s kind of annoying because I put in all these little clips, but it’s also funny, cuz I put in all these little clips.

Sevan Matossian (10:03):

Wait, before you start, I wanna ask, do you think it’s hard to tell Taylor?

Taylor Self (10:06):

I thought it was pretty obvious that her chest was not touching the ground.

Sevan Matossian (10:10):

Uh, Jr. Did you think it was obvious?

Andrew Hiller (10:13):

I can’t say that. It was

Sevan Matossian (10:14):

Obvious. Yeah. Me neither. At first I wanted to say it was, but then I just kept watching and I’m like, I don’t know. I don’t know what’s going on here real quick before you started. I wanna say something about, about the game of tennis. Sorry, sorry. One more thing. And the game of tennis and the game of tennis it, the, the line there’s, there’s no judges, except when you get to the higher levels and the line judge is the person who side the ball comes onto. And if you’re not a hundred percent sure, um, it’s uh, um, of the call. You always give it to your opponent basically if you’re not a hundred percent sure. Okay. So, so, um, if you’re not sure if it’s in or out and it was close it’s it’s, it’s in, it’s in like E or, or you’re not paying attention and it goes over your head and it was even out by six feet, but you didn’t see it. It’s in you just all. And because you have that consistency, if as long as people are honest, it always works. Cuz it’s just one thing. If the ball touches the line, it’s good. If you’re not sure it’s in, that’s basically it.

Andrew Hiller (11:13):

So I work with AER boys, pickup ball. I work with a guy who plays racket ball and I know people who play tennis and when people cheat, this they’re almost angrier than anyone I’ve ever met.

Sevan Matossian (11:23):

Yeah. Yeah. Cheating runs rampant in that sport. I I, yeah,

Andrew Hiller (11:26):

So pissed.

Sevan Matossian (11:26):

It’s the biggest group of cheaters you’ve ever seen tennis players. But my point is is that the policy that they have in place is Bulletproof. If people tell the truth, if you don’t know it’s in, um,

Andrew Hiller (11:36):

You know, at the end of my post too, I asked Keer and I go, did you feel your chest touching the ground? So it kind of parallels what you’re saying right there.

Sevan Matossian (11:42):

I just wish we had something like that in CrossFit. So we could just be like, Hey, if we don’t know, we, we, we default to the, to the Bruce athlete, Bruce,

Caleb Beaver (11:49):

Bruce said something like this in the comments. I think he said, if you have to slow it, you have to give it to the athlete. Like if you have to slow the video down, then you just give the rep to the athlete. What about the NFL though? That’s very good. That was my counterargument in my, when I had the argue in my head, I said, well, what about the NFL? Soccer’s doing the same thing now. Like Mike doing it now.

Andrew Hiller (12:09):

So defined chess because if chess is rib cages down here, then I guess you can give ’em to her. If chest is like chest <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (12:19):

Okay. Let’s watch. Let’s watch. I know. That’s the thing. That’s the thing let’s watch you made Hiller feel bad cuz he slowed it down.

Andrew Hiller (12:25):

Yeah. I slowed it all down.

Taylor Self (12:28):

That was no wrap.

Sevan Matossian (12:29):

That was a no rep.

Taylor Self (12:31):

That was also a no rep.

Sevan Matossian (12:33):

I see may maybe, maybe it’s just an optical illusion. Maybe her chest is

Taylor Self (12:37):

No rep.

Andrew Hiller (12:39):


Sevan Matossian (12:40):

God you don’t think the breast of some of the, the, the fatty ti of, of the lower part of the breast is touching the ground there. I mean, that’s what we’re talking about. Right? Boobs. The, I do her boobs. Do her boobs, touch the ground. That’s what we wanna know.

Andrew Hiller (12:54):

No, they look exactly like Spiegels, that’s what they look like. This is, this is one of the, yep. That’s the worst. One of them all.

Caleb Beaver (13:00):

Yeah. That’s pretty bad.

Andrew Hiller (13:02):

I mean yeah.

Sevan Matossian (13:03):

Office space is having a meltdown.

Andrew Hiller (13:05):

Yeah. That’s the guy. Yeah, that one’s my favorite.

Sevan Matossian (13:07):

I don’t know. I’d need to see her do it topless to know. I, I can’t tell.

Andrew Hiller (13:10):

Of course you would.

Sevan Matossian (13:11):

I can’t tell. I can’t tell. Uh, Jr. Do you have an opinion on this one?

JR Howell (13:17):

I, I just, I just think it’s a shame that at this point, and you can’t even program burpy B jump overs gives me the same thing. I feel like it’s, uh, you’re gonna have to start doing hand release burpees.

Andrew Hiller (13:29):

Do, do you know where the, do you see? Yeah, I’ve seen that comment a lot, but do you see where the referees are? The judges are sitting, they’re sitting at a position where it makes it challenging to see.

JR Howell (13:39):

And I think that you have to, you’re gonna have to tell the judges, they have to be on one knee and then you’re gonna have to tell them they have to be doing this. But I mean, otherwise you can’t see it.

Sevan Matossian (13:50):

Um, wad, zombie’s got the other great point that you always hear and this one’s always hard to fucking fight back on. Watch rich phoning Jr. Do reps and win championships. There’s no question with his reps. The fact that we have to wonder is bad. I dunno what that

Caleb Beaver (14:05):

With pat Elner

Andrew Hiller (14:07):

Taylor said a couple episodes back where he was talking about how he would watch fing and he’d watch other people to try to dictate how he would wanna do his movement based on body types. But the thing that you learn after you watch all these people is that, you know what good reps look like when they’re doing them? It’s like the burpee looks like that. So the first thing that makes you even look at catcher is the fact that she’s trying to gain some sort of advantage outta the technique that she’s using. So once you see that she’s doing, ’em weird. You’re like, okay. And then it draws your attention to the fact that she’s not even doing them because she’s not doing them the way that everyone who does them, right. Does them in the first place.

Sevan Matossian (14:38):

And, and, and so just to be clear, the fact that you’re saying that she does them differently, most of us, um, who do burpees correctly, our whole body, like especially men, ideally your body comes down perfectly at a plane, parallel to the ground. Then as you get weaker and more tired, you start warming and your hips come and then your chest comes. But what we’re seeing Karon do is give this illusion that her chest hits first. And then, then her fucking groin hits the ground. Yeah. It’s kind of this it’s, it’s a trip. It’s almost like you’re watching burpees in reverse, right?

Taylor Self (15:05):

Yeah. I was gonna say, if you watch someone who’s tired do burpees and they’re warming. They’re going in the exact opposite

Sevan Matossian (15:11):

Kind of crotch first then titties.

Taylor Self (15:12):

Exactly. Okay. But you can see the chest touch. It’s like foot on their chest touches and then they’re coming up

Andrew Hiller (15:18):

95% of people do it the right way. And then 5% like the Ks and the Danny Spiegels of the world. They, you notice it.

Sevan Matossian (15:26):

What about the fact that, you know, when I start getting tired, doing burpees and I’m doing them for speed. I, I almost, I like having my chest hit, um, because I kind of get a bounce. I, I slam myself down and get a little bit of a bounce,

Taylor Self (15:38):

Go watch Chandler Smith do burpees.

Andrew Hiller (15:40):

It looks walking good.

Taylor Self (15:41):

Yeah. His chest it’s like, it’s a trampoline. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (15:46):

That’s so he does that too. He he’s, he’s bouncing, he’s bouncing off the bottom too.

Taylor Self (15:49):

Wrestlers, do it really well. They hold a lot of tension in their midline. And when they hit the bottom of the burpee, it’s just like a springboard.

Sevan Matossian (15:55):

I mean the more rigid your body is, the more, the better it transfers energy. I mean, that’s kind of like just one of those universal truths that we just know and CrossFit mm-hmm

Taylor Self (16:02):


Sevan Matossian (16:04):

Well, I, I, man. Okay, well, since we’re on K uh, crazy impressed for their performance on our final workout, man, just, just

Taylor Self (16:14):

Me. Great. Bam.

Sevan Matossian (16:16):

Yeah. Pop. Yeah. That’s rigid.

Andrew Hiller (16:19):

No question.

Sevan Matossian (16:24):


Andrew Hiller (16:25):

He’s a little spring little spring, man.

Sevan Matossian (16:27):

Uh, do you guys, do you guys like her final performance? The push on the thrusters? I mean, this is just classic catching, right? This is just classic cross some classic CrossFit grind. No, no, no love, no love.

Andrew Hiller (16:39):

I feel like I always talk first. I like wait for them to talk and then there’s this dead silence.

Taylor Self (16:43):

Well, I’m fired about, I’m fired up about something that happened at ATLA games, but we just gotta, what do we get there, I guess?

Sevan Matossian (16:49):

Uh, is it, is it in regards to her?

Taylor Self (16:51):

No, it’s got nothing to do with C. She was a strength and death too.

Sevan Matossian (16:54):

Okay. They’re all. They’re they’re just the same to me now at this point it was, so this morning was such a fucking shit show in my brain, going back and forth between the events, what a fucking mess my brain got.

Andrew Hiller (17:05):

Yeah. That was not so great. Uh, Katherine and her finished it’s like, I guess she would’ve just had to have done more on the rope climb and of course they’re gonna make comments like, you know, eight years ago she didn’t even finish this workout. It’s like, yeah. It’s eight years ago. She’s also won the games two times since then, so,

Sevan Matossian (17:21):

Okay. Let’s hit let’s let’s stay on her a little bit more then. Uh, let, let me ask you this then. Um, event five, the rope climb. It’s what kept her out of going to the CrossFit games in 2014? I think she went in 2013, then in 2014 at the regionals that workout kept her out and she still got 18 on it. Is, is, is this a, is this a problem?

Taylor Self (17:39):

She got 18th on another workout.

Sevan Matossian (17:42):

Oh, what place did she get in that one?

Taylor Self (17:44):


Andrew Hiller (17:46):

She has two 18th and an

Sevan Matossian (17:48):

11th. Yeah. Two. OK. So you’re saying, I mean, this is a problem, right? This is, this is like eight years later. And you still, I mean, we saw rich pH couldn’t climb the ropes and he fixed it. This is, this is, this is a serious problem. Right?

Taylor Self (18:02):

Uh, in my opinion, again, similar to the muscle up, I think maybe, and you have no idea whether it’s coaching or, or what, but it would seem to me that she maybe believes that the, that the legless thing is a capacity issue, but with how strong she is, it’s not, it’s a technique thing. And even in something like a legless rope climb, there’s a lot of technique. Um, and how to efficiently use your body getting up the rope. And I just don’t think she has had that’s clicked for her. So yeah, either way, it’s a big problem, but it’s not like she just couldn’t gain capacity over eight years.

Sevan Matossian (18:34):

And would, do you see any major fail failure there Jr. Would you say it’s failure in her coaching failure, failure in her, uh, you know, her, her, her training and her failure, failure and personal responsibility, accountability. I mean, do you think that this should have been fixed in eight years?

JR Howell (18:48):

Well, I refuse to believe that her and her coaches haven’t known that they needed to address it since 2014. <laugh> so I think the major issue here is that even if she is improving on it every single year, the amount that everyone else is improving on it is still a little bit greater. So she’s always playing that game of catch up. So,

Taylor Self (19:11):


Sevan Matossian (19:12):

Let’s say this to defender.

JR Howell (19:13):

It’s always in comparison to the field.

Sevan Matossian (19:15):

Let’s say this to defender too really quick. If the time cap, I don’t know what it was in 2014 was 10 minutes. It was

JR Howell (19:21):

11, still 11.

Sevan Matossian (19:22):

It was the same. Okay. So then she did, she improved her time by over six minutes. So I guess she’s a fucking beast. All

Taylor Self (19:27):

Right. I would, I would also like to bring up, there’s an old clip of Bera in one of the documentaries talking about how she did really bad at like a peg board or maybe a leg list. It was,

JR Howell (19:37):

She did one. Yep. The whole year.

Taylor Self (19:39):

Yeah, she did one. Yeah. He, so I guess she, she did really bad at pedal to the metal. Right? She DNF, she didn’t finish the workout. She still won the games and there’s a clip of Ben Burer on bragging about how they did about how they only did one peg board the whole year after she couldn’t even fucking do any of the games and like bragging about it.

JR Howell (19:58):

Well, she won the games because she did that on that work.

Andrew Hiller (20:03):

Well, no, no, no. I know what Taylor’s saying too. Taylor’s right.

JR Howell (20:05):

And then no, it’s true. No, absolutely. It is true. And he said, you know, how many pay boards we’ve done since last year? One?

Andrew Hiller (20:12):

Because all we did was strict pull ups.

Sevan Matossian (20:15):

Brian, we were just talking about how, um, what an amazing, uh, uh, performance catch had. You just have to put it in context. Uh, in 2014, she couldn’t finish the workout in 11 minutes and now she did it in five minutes. And although it still wasn’t enough to, um, to, to get her to the games, it is a massive improvement that needs, that should be recognized.

Brian Friend (20:35):

Yeah. I wrote about that. I don’t think I’ve done the audio right here.

Sevan Matossian (20:39):

It’s too bad too. Cause I really wanted to trash her, but, but there’s no trashing.

Brian Friend (20:43):

No, but I also just wanted you to know, I finished up with the LIC and now I’ve moved on to yous

Sevan Matossian (20:47):

On, oh they, well, I understand the pecking order. <laugh> the pecking order. I, I fully appreciate it. Feel, feel free to walk away and use the bathroom and do whatever you need to do during this show.

Taylor Self (20:56):

How many views do they get? <laugh> uh,

Brian Friend (21:00):

Feeling better. Taylor. That’s nice.

Andrew Hiller (21:03):

I’m not sure where fing said it, but, and it might have not been Fring. It may have been his training partner at the time who said it, but they were going through a spree where they weren’t so great at strict handstand pushups. So they did them three days a week in various like rip schemes with various movements. And you know, what, who do you think is one of the better people on the planet at strict handstand pushups? It’s gonna be rich Fring and whoever wanders, who the barn. And then you’ve got Katherine who does one peg board in a year

Taylor Self (21:26):

<laugh> or do you hear Matt talk about rowing and how much he fucking rode? Cuz he sucked at

Sevan Matossian (21:30):

Rowing. Yeah. And those are the stories that, you know, I, I wonder, I wonder if Katherine has those stories about a rope climb.

Andrew Hiller (21:36):

Yeah. One a year. That’s the story,

Sevan Matossian (21:39):

Brian, where do you go next? Get with the programming.

Taylor Self (21:43):

Oh man, come on.

Brian Friend (21:44):

I gotta go watch the Atlas games finish up and then cover that one.

Sevan Matossian (21:48):

Uh it’s I love chasing bill. They know that, uh, um, we saw J Jacqueline on the, um, third climb. She was already pausing and on the fourth climb, she started Kip and on the one tip at the top and on the seventh climb, she started using two Kips to get to the top. Whereas Helga didn’t start tipping until the fifth rope climb. And I never saw her use two Kips, my two Kips. I mean, you know, when they, they start climbing and then they get stuck and then they start getting the Kips in. So, so, so, uh, do you think any of these girls should, whereas catching was tipping from the beginning, right? Which, which you could say the parallel is, is, um, uh, she was doing push jerks from the beginning.

Andrew Hiller (22:26):


Sevan Matossian (22:29):

Never using the speed.

Brian Friend (22:31):

Who are you talking to?

Sevan Matossian (22:32):

Anyone? Anyone?

Taylor Self (22:35):


Andrew Hiller (22:35):


Sevan Matossian (22:37):

Yeah. Caleb. What do you think about that?

Caleb Beaver (22:39):

<laugh> I have no idea. I’m trying to do other things.

Sevan Matossian (22:43):

Uh, the interviewer at that event, um, BI BI Biba Biba BI Biba daughter. Wow. I, I she’s weirder than me and I approve just keep using her. I, I just like this. Did you guys like her?

Caleb Beaver (22:57):


Sevan Matossian (22:58):

It was just so awkward and weird and I’m like, fuck, I love that.

Caleb Beaver (23:03):

Is she like a new announcer? I,

Sevan Matossian (23:05):

I don’t know. She’s not even from this planet, dude.

Brian Friend (23:08):

Anyways. I mean they usually, Lauren Smith would do the strength and depth, but her commitment with red bull this season interfered with when strengthened depth was able to get that venue, uh, location. So BI was the next choice up, but I think she got more confident and comfortable as the weekend went along.

Sevan Matossian (23:24):

Yeah. I like her. I, as long, she seemed confident to me, but just weird shit was coming out of her mouth and she speaks at a weird cadence. And I just like seeing the athletes, like kind of just, I, I like Sam Briggs just doesn’t even, it doesn’t even face Sam, but the rest of ’em are kind of like, huh?

Brian Friend (23:37):

You know what I, I had the feeling of was that she was like applying either tone or the way she says things. That’s like funny and Icelandic, but not necessarily funny in other places. I think we can do that as a, being from the United States at times too. And where other countries are like, what are you talking about? They’re like funny where we’re from. And some of ’em didn’t go over that. Well with athletes from all over Europe,

Caleb Beaver (23:57):

There was some stuff that was like lost in translation. I think

Sevan Matossian (24:00):

Just like speaking to which, um, this guy, Joel, uh Gade uh, he, he has a personal story about everyone.

Brian Friend (24:08):

Yeah. Because he calls I’ve athletes and asks them, what should I, what should we know about you?

Sevan Matossian (24:13):

He’s a beast.

Brian Friend (24:15):

I, yeah, when I, uh, when I left the granite games last week and I told him, I said, your level of preparation for these things is unrivaled

Andrew Hiller (24:22):

American ninja jewelry warrior

Sevan Matossian (24:24):

Today, Brian friend was in the, was in the public restroom at the airport. And he got a stall that had no toilet paper. <laugh> <laugh> I was just talking with Brian about that earlier in the break room. Uh,

Brian Friend (24:35):

So you don’t like it.

Sevan Matossian (24:36):

I love it. Actually. I think it’s cool. I think it, I think it’s super cool. I like him. I’m like getting, I’m getting far warm fuzzies from him and I

Andrew Hiller (24:44):

Like you talk those stories and I do dislike greatly. People say they don’t like him because they don’t understand how hard it is to know those things. And he’s actually trying really hard.

Sevan Matossian (24:52):

It he’s

Andrew Hiller (24:53):

Killing it. He’s done a good job.

Sevan Matossian (24:55):

So, and so’s mom owns a candy shop. They have to do hand and they do handstand pushups. When they go grocery shopping with their mom, I was like, wow, fuck. He knows everything. Uh, so, so I approve of him and, uh, him Joel and, uh, and, and BBA. Um, I don’t approve of oh two, uh, that, that, that stuff is not drinkable. I don’t, I don’t, I, I thought I heard Adrian Conway say he loves it. Have you guys ever drank that?

Andrew Hiller (25:21):

Uh, yeah. I have this entire thing about those drinks.

Sevan Matossian (25:24):

So does, if that, if they just carbonate your shit, I’ll drink anything. I’ll drink just a bucket of shit.

Andrew Hiller (25:29):

Is that what their stick is? They carbon

Brian Friend (25:31):

Money got some competition questions.

Sevan Matossian (25:33):

Oh, yes. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. Yes, yes. Can we got Christ off? How? Go ahead, Taylor.

Taylor Self (25:37):

No, I’m just so impatient.

Sevan Matossian (25:39):

Do it go, Taylor. Let’s do it. Let’s get to, let’s get to Atlas games. What did you see over there that you wanna talk about? Go ahead, Brian.

Taylor Self (25:44):

I wanna ask if you saw the whole Jeff aler GD thing, go down.

Sevan Matossian (25:48):

Oh, with Patrick ner. Describe it to us Taylor.

Taylor Self (25:51):

So what I noticed is that Vener gets to the GD four reps ahead of Adler or, or Adler begins his GDS. And donor’s four reps ahead. Um, at one point Adler takes a long break, takes his shirt off. Ner continues to go on broken. And then around the 50 rep mark Adler’s judge’s hand goes up and it’s a set of a hundred, not a set of 50 there’s more 5 55, 4. And then he shakes his head and puts his hand down. The judge does. And then you count maybe 20, 30, more reps. Adler takes another long break at top of his GD, takes his feet out and just sits on the pad valor, continuing to go on broken Adler continues his reps. And then a minute later they both get off the GD at the exact same time. Like it’s like Vener gets off the GC in Adlers judges. Like, okay,

Sevan Matossian (26:39):

Go. Yeah, the commentators were talking about it too. That something was a little, have you gone back and counted the repetitions?

Taylor Self (26:45):

They didn’t stay on him the whole time. So I couldn’t count all the repetitions. And the other thing that really annoyed. Yeah. I, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (26:53):

And Adler won that event, right?

Brian Friend (26:55):

Yes. And valor took third.

Taylor Self (26:58):

I think Adler at best without that could have potentially, still have beaten pat, but I, but you could see Pat’s frustration when the judge threw their hand up on the GD, pat, like still on his face. He’s like, what the fuck? And then he just keeps going. And then after pat finishes his bike, he just is walking off the floor. He’s like, you could just tell on his mind, he’s thinking this is fucking bullshit. Um, I don’t know. It just, to me, it seemed pretty crazy. And then Adler’s interview after the workout. It just was a little frustrating too, but whatever.

Sevan Matossian (27:27):

Oh, what about, what about it? Just that you think he should have said something like, Hey, I got sure I didn’t have to do all my PhDs.

Taylor Self (27:33):

I don’t know if he should have said something, but they asked him where he thought the workout was won. And I think the, uh, announcer was like, you know, did you win the workout on the GDS? And he like thought for a second. He’s like, no, I think I actually won it on the double lenders. You know, the workout went the way I wanted. And I was like, well, yeah, I don’t always wanna do all the reps either. That’s what I thought

Caleb Beaver (27:48):

<laugh>, which is funny because I feel like everybody does double lenders at the exact same rate. So it’s like,

Taylor Self (27:54):


Caleb Beaver (27:55):

I know that there’s like, there are faster people who do there are people who do doubles faster, but I feel like if you’re gonna make up a lot of time, it’s on the GDS essentially. Yeah. You’re not gonna make up that much time doing double unders.

Taylor Self (28:06):

I agree. I don’t think you make up enough time doing double unders. There are workouts where that matters for sure. But I don’t think this is one of ’em. Uh,

Brian Friend (28:12):

Taylor, I’m curious what you think is the solution to this problem because you, as an athlete on a floor, I don’t think you’re allowed to, to appeal another athletes score. And Jeff’s obviously not gonna appeal his own score.

Taylor Self (28:22):


Brian Friend (28:23):

So if the judge lost count in the middle of that workout

Taylor Self (28:26):

And I

Brian Friend (28:27):

Brought this up, be done about it,

Taylor Self (28:28):

I brought this up on a previous show and I, I, I didn’t put a lot of thought into it, but I floated the idea of what if each athlete going into a competition had something like a challenge rule. Like they had in the NFL. You have one challenge you can use to appeal another person’s score. And then of course you can appeal your own score. But once you use that challenge, it’s, it’s done. And, and someone was like, oh, well, what if they just use it for a personal vendetta? Well, you look in the NFL, a coach can challenge whatever he wants, but if you waste it, he waste it. So if you’re

Brian Friend (28:58):

Using the, but if he gets it right, he gets another one.

Taylor Self (29:01):

Exactly. But that, but that’s what I’m saying. So it’s

Brian Friend (29:04):

So should gone be gone or should you be able to get another one in your proposed format?

Taylor Self (29:08):

I, I think you should get one challenge. I don’t think you should. I don’t think, uh, you should, if you’re, if you get your challenge, right. You just get another one and then another one. But I think that if you give each person the challenge, I don’t know if potentially can keep things like this from happening.

Sevan Matossian (29:22):

Jake Kelly says, look at rep for rep Mr. Self Adler’s GD cadences faster than Vener. He rolled his eyes at you, Jake. Sorry.

Taylor Self (29:31):

Yeah, you just

Sevan Matossian (29:32):

<laugh>. He rolled his eyes and his eyes were closed, but I still saw them roll behind his eyelids.

Taylor Self (29:37):

He was going faster at the start and he takes two enormous breaks and valor didn’t break. And the GDS. I don’t know what else to say. Other than that.

Sevan Matossian (29:45):

Oh, so many, my notes are all over the place. Uh, how happy are we with, uh, who, who day, who day?

Brian Friend (29:54):

I think, you know, look, you, you have HEPA line who day and Yogo VU, all of whom are going back to the games for their second time.

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