#448 | Strength in Depth & Atlas Games Pt. 4

Andrew Hiller (00:00):

I feel like I’m bigger than usual. What’s going on here?

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam. We’re live. Oh shit. You’re uh, your Internet’s all fucked up. Hiller.

Andrew Hiller (00:09):


Mattew Souza (00:10):

No, that’s it’s coming a little clearer. Now. You were fuzzy at first.

Sevan Matossian (00:16):

All vodka seven is a fun seven. You never, you don’t know a tall vodka seven. You don’t even know what you’re talking. Oh shit. Tall vodka seven only one time was I drinking on the show was sitting in, uh, that was like last week, sometime.

Andrew Hiller (00:31):

That was a good episode.

Sevan Matossian (00:33):

<laugh> the one SU ran. Okay. Look at, so this Jeff Birchfield guy, I’m gonna make him a moderator look at ad moderator.

Mattew Souza (00:41):

Hey, you know what I was thinking about? Every time we do that. Yeah. That’s like a status symbol. It’s like a blue check mark in our own little community. <laugh> you know, like they get a little blue wrench next to him and people know that they got status in the

Sevan Matossian (00:51):

Chart. I wish I could change it to a, um, to a, uh, eggplant.

Mattew Souza (00:58):


Andrew Hiller (01:00):

That’d be cool.

Mattew Souza (01:02):

Gain’s too far up.

Sevan Matossian (01:03):

I just a ado ado. I just a, a bunch of people he’s

Mattew Souza (01:07):

Ado. The new

Sevan Matossian (01:08):

Word. Where’s Bruce is Bruce. One of those. He needs to be one of those.

Andrew Hiller (01:11):

Yeah, Bruce. I thought he was, he

Sevan Matossian (01:13):


Mattew Souza (01:16):

He is

Sevan Matossian (01:19):

Okay. Oh, wait. What’s this? Does someone give money already? No. Oh, this guy highlighted my name. Why is not having someone on more? Have M WGA on the se there’s a lot. Okay. Alright. Oh, Heidi one. Oh, and Heidi’s one too. Yeah. Oh, I wonder if I can make, will bra that. What if I just made everyone one?

Mattew Souza (01:40):

Well, then you take away it’s exclusivity and now it doesn’t matter. No,

Andrew Hiller (01:44):

No, no, no, no exclusivity. You said, right?

Mattew Souza (01:47):

<laugh> yeah. Yeah. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (01:48):

I heard you say inclusivity would be inclusivity.

Mattew Souza (01:52):

No, no, no.

Sevan Matossian (01:53):

Um, why, why am I just noticing fractional plates? Why are not more people using fractional plates? What’s going on? How, what

Andrew Hiller (02:01):

Am I fucking knows

Sevan Matossian (02:02):

Going on? So they

Andrew Hiller (02:04):

Going on,

Sevan Matossian (02:05):

How could I be so stupid? And, and people are dumber than me. How wait? It’s it’s frustrating when I’m the dumbest guy in the room and then they’re still people dumber than you. Okay.

Andrew Hiller (02:14):

Who’s the dumbest out of all of us, probably me.

Sevan Matossian (02:16):


Andrew Hiller (02:17):

No, it’s definitely not. Jr. And I don’t think it’s Suza. So it’s a battle between the two of us,

Sevan Matossian (02:22):

The battle of the dumies, uh, Jr. How come I’m just, why am I just noticing fractionals?

JR Howell (02:28):

I think you’ve probably noticed them at the games before. It’s just a shame that,

Sevan Matossian (02:32):

I mean, here at these events, I mean, with the complex, the complex, the last few weeks,

JR Howell (02:36):

I mean, everyone wants to cross compare all the semifinals, even though the lifts are on different days at all of them and in different orders. So that’s already difficult to compare, but now we have events that can only go up by five or 10 pound increments, and then we’ve got this competition, so it makes it even harder.

Sevan Matossian (02:52):

Oh, so wait a second. Are you telling me this is the first semifinal where in the complex, where they’ve allowed fractionals

Andrew Hiller (03:00):

That is exactly what he’s telling you. It’s pretty fucked up. Isn’t it?

Sevan Matossian (03:07):

This doesn’t even make any, this doesn’t even make any I’m. I’m so fucking confused right now. How can that be? <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (03:15):

Um, it’s a,

Sevan Matossian (03:17):

Who do we know? Who knows what’s going on? Do we know seriously? Do we know anyone who knows? Like who would we talk to? Is that a CrossFit in think? Or is that a, um, well, first of all, let me ask you this jar. How do you know this is the first one? Um, that fractionals have been allowed because it’s the first one you’ve seen them.

JR Howell (03:33):

Yeah. The first one I’ve seen, I think when kilos are used, sometimes it can make you think that they have fractional plates, but actually do think they had fractionals maybe

Andrew Hiller (03:41):

I’m not, you what’s even more fucked up about all this is that Australia was using pounds <laugh> they were using pounds. And then like one of the Europeans was using pounds and then the other one was using kilograms and then, uh, GEs using kilograms and then someone at Atlas, probably like we gotta give our athletes a shot to beat ’em by half a pound. Give them the fractionals at the last second. That’s what it seems like.

Sevan Matossian (04:01):

I mean, I like the fractionals cuz of the gamemanship

Andrew Hiller (04:04):

Right? Of course you like the fractions.

Mattew Souza (04:05):

Yeah. Well the fractional you get to game it way more. You’re looking over everybody sneaking up a pound at a time. Makes it more, more interesting.

JR Howell (04:13):

Yeah. And it’s nice. Then I have six or seven athletes tie 3 25.

Andrew Hiller (04:17):

I agree with all of that. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (04:19):

I mean, that was awesome. When, uh, far low. So, so Farlow put one in a quarter. What are those? The little, little white ones? No. What, what color are those ones?

Andrew Hiller (04:28):


Sevan Matossian (04:29):

Old ones. Ones. So they put, he puts, he put the little white ones on there, one in a quarter. And that’s what got ’em to 2 47 0.5.

Andrew Hiller (04:39):

Oh yeah, because they’re 1.2, five. I got some of them

Sevan Matossian (04:43):

Look at Hiller with the props. He’s a good dude. I didn’t see here’s here’s the thing with, with Farlow, man. I didn’t see any footwork, like uh oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I got those two, those little tiny ones.

Andrew Hiller (05:00):

Yeah. So that’s why it’s 0.5 on there because you put one of these on each end and it adds 2.5 pounds, which

Sevan Matossian (05:06):

Is this yet? How clean was, how clean was his footwork?

Andrew Hiller (05:10):

It was clean.

Sevan Matossian (05:14):

<laugh> it was nuts.

Andrew Hiller (05:16):

Are you trying to say it wasn’t clean because it was

Sevan Matossian (05:18):

Extreme? No, I’m trying to say it’s super clean. I saw a lot of guys pushing it there. You know, pushing, I mean, uh, geese footwork. Wasn’t that clean? Not, not that it was bad, but, but a lot of people you don’t see that clean footwork and his footwork was really clean. I mean, Vellner looked amazing too, but um, I feel like Jack, we don’t know what his max is. Like, there’s more in the tank.

Andrew Hiller (05:38):

Well, if you say that, I feel like we don’t know what any of their maxes are. I feel like, I feel like if you just gave him a clock and said work up to a heavy complex, we would be closer to like what their maxes are. If that, if that makes any sense.

Sevan Matossian (05:51):

Yeah, really?

Andrew Hiller (05:52):

Cause there’s three lifts and there’s plane with it’s like, I think I could do this, but maybe they could do more.

Sevan Matossian (05:58):

Can you make that a little bigger? Um, SU it’s it’s a little, uh, it’s a little grainy. Oh, uh, we have 40 minutes and I’m gonna fly outta here. Did, did any of you guys buy UFC? 2 75?

Andrew Hiller (06:11):

I bought UFC 2 76.

Sevan Matossian (06:13):

Oh, is that the one that’s tonight?

Andrew Hiller (06:15):

I’m fucking with you <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (06:16):

Oh, you asshole.

Andrew Hiller (06:18):

Well, you know,

Mattew Souza (06:19):

And you had a couple people in here saying they wanted to, uh, tag along while you watched the fights. So pretty soon you’ll just have a camera on everything you do commentating over it.

Sevan Matossian (06:29):

You know what? I’m so quiet when I watch the fights. I just, there’s a one there’s one or two guys in here that I, um, I probably shouldn’t say their names who are crazy UFC fans that I text with. Can you make it bigger still? I wanna be able to see their names. I

Mattew Souza (06:41):

Can, I’m just having trouble finding a happy medium.

Sevan Matossian (06:45):

So we got, um, any, any, uh, can you put them in the order of strongest to weakest rank them by that final event? That fifth event. I wanna hear what if Hiller and, uh, Jr. Think that there’s any surprises in here. Okay. Here we go. Jack Harlow 3 47 0.5. Uh, oh it, so that was a three way tie. No

Andrew Hiller (07:07):

For no, no, no showing guys

JR Howell (07:09):

Aren’t there that didn’t perform.

Sevan Matossian (07:11):

Yeah. For whatever reason,

Mattew Souza (07:12):

When you go buy workout, it brings in the people that aren’t

Sevan Matossian (07:15):

Travel issues. Drake Drake Lewis at 3 35, um, uh, Jack Rose, Jeffrey Adler, Josh Workman, Patrick ner, Alex VIN. Okay. Let’s start there with Alex Vineo. He was so excited.

Andrew Hiller (07:32):

It doesn’t look like he, uh, had all that much confidence in his numbers. And that, that, I mean, from what I remember, he doesn’t the strongest Olympic lifter, but he is a very brute lifter. He’s had a great dead lifter, great back squat and not the greatest press. So I think he’s probably just excited to hit the lift.

Sevan Matossian (07:50):


JR Howell (07:51):

That was big for him too, because I’m pretty sure he failed his second lift at three 15. And so he actually went up and then made that. That’s probably why he was as pumped also.

Sevan Matossian (08:01):

And, um, it, it was interesting cuz that was one of the guys we were talking about, uh, before we broke away from the last show we were saying that there’s three guys that are guaranteed in and it was basically Vener Adler. And I think Corona and the debate was whether it was Vineo or not. And Brian said, yeah, Vineo can be, you know, pretty much guaranteed in too. And so you see, I mean, Brian obviously believed in his lift maybe even more than, um, Alex did. How bad was his lift? Uh, his three 15, miss I missed it.

JR Howell (08:28):

He looked a little frustrated afterwards. Like maybe it was just a technical or timing error,

Sevan Matossian (08:32):


JR Howell (08:32):

Okay. I don’t think he would’ve gone up. Had he thought that he missed it because he wasn’t strong enough to hit it.

Sevan Matossian (08:38):

Um, did you guys see, I think it was Corona held the bar in the front rack position too long and then just decided not to go up with it.

Andrew Hiller (08:45):

I missed that part.

JR Howell (08:46):

Yeah. I might have got a little lightheaded or just knew that it was too much time and retention to be able to drive out of it.

Sevan Matossian (08:53):

Um, I don’t know who it was. I think it was Adrian Conway, but Adrian Conway said this isn’t a snatch. <laugh> when you’re at the, when you’re at the bottom in the hole, you, you, you can’t, you can’t be fooling around. You gotta come straight up. Explain that to me. The difference in, in, in the weight’s relationship to the midline, I’m guessing on why it’s so important to come out of the hole quickly in, in a, uh, in a clean, in a squat clean versus versus a squat snatch. Or do you not agree with him?

Andrew Hiller (09:27):

I I’m gonna say that I’ve seen more people hang out in the bottom of a clean than I’ve seen hang out in the bottom of a snatch.

Sevan Matossian (09:33):

Really. Okay, Jr.

Andrew Hiller (09:37):

I mean, maybe not in this complex, but in general. I definitely think of fing. I mean, froing catches are clean every time you would just hang out down there and they’d pop up like a pause squat. Yeah.

JR Howell (09:49):

Yeah. Some people get down there and make sure the weights where they want it. Some people can use like a double or triple bounce to get out of the hole. But I think probably what he’s referring to is the fact that in a snatch you can stay in the bottom because the load on the legs is typically a lot less. And as long as your shoulders are locked in, you’re almost using the earth to support the load. If that makes sense.

Mattew Souza (10:08):

Yeah. That’s actually what I was going with. Cuz stability a lot of times too, if you rush out of the bottom of the snatch and it’s a little bit off and you don’t have it, you don’t have it set in. You’ll miss the lift just cuz you stood up too quick and drop the bar.

Sevan Matossian (10:23):

It’s just basically not pushed back far enough into your throat.

Mattew Souza (10:26):

No, I’m talking about with why you would hang out at the bottom of a snatch a little bit more often than you would’ve clean.

Sevan Matossian (10:30):

No, but I’m saying why, but, but the only reason why it would come out is because it’s not just put, it’s not pushed back far enough. The only reason that would make a clean, I I’m just, I don’t understand this thing that Jr’s proposing that it’s the earth supporting it. All I can think is is that if you’re in a front rack and you don’t have the way, basically it should be sitting when it’s sitting, when the bar’s sitting over you in a snatch, in a perfect world, it’d be sitting on the same plane as where it’s sitting in the front rack of, of us clean. Correct. Mm-hmm

Mattew Souza (10:55):


Sevan Matossian (10:57):

Do we agree? Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (10:58):

Yeah. Yeah. Agreed.

Sevan Matossian (10:58):

Agreed. But ju but just in a clean it’s coming forward, it’s it’s easy. Well I guess not, not if you don’t have shoulder mobility mm-hmm <affirmative> what do I know? Okay.

Mattew Souza (11:06):

I was saying just stabilizing it a little bit more.

Sevan Matossian (11:08):

Okay. So we don’t necessarily agree with, uh, Adrian Conway.

Andrew Hiller (11:12):

I, I just would like to know where he is coming from with that, because I think you’re gonna have differing perspectives on that. And I just saw in the comments that somebody, some people were agreeing with me and some people were not agreeing with me. So I think that’s just Adrian throwing his take on the stream for everyone to hear

Sevan Matossian (11:27):

On, on what they prefer. Uh, we had been talking in that other show about, uh, we showed Emma Lawson doing 1 95 at 14 years old. And someone sent me a video. I don’t know if it’s in my notes. Oh yeah. It’s in my notes. Can you, can you pull that Instagram up? Uh, Suza. It says 15 year old. I think that was there an event called European championships. Is that, was that one of the semifinals? No one of ’em didn’t have that name also. No, this is a, uh, this is a 15 year old girl named Lucy. Let’s just call her Lucy. This is uh,

Andrew Hiller (12:09):

You’re incorrect. Get outta here.

Sevan Matossian (12:12):

Go ahead. Go ahead and play this she’s 15 years old. This is, this is uh, 200 pounds. This is nuts. Or so they say she’s 15.

Mattew Souza (12:25):

<laugh> allegedly

Sevan Matossian (12:26):

Allegedly. And this is 39 weeks ago. So I think she had just turned 15. I mean, I know it’s hard to tell cuz it’s from the back, but their form looks amazing also.

Mattew Souza (12:40):

Yeah, that’s incredible. That’s incredible.

Sevan Matossian (12:48):

So, um, do, do you think we, we we’re gonna, the numbers are just gonna keep going up every single year. You think that the, the next T is already amongst us? There’s there’s a, there’s a,

JR Howell (12:59):

I think there’s a terminal. I think there’s a terminal load. Just like there is a terminal mile time or a terminal number of ring muscle ups on broken to where if you exceed that, you’re just gonna be, you’re gonna have to let other things suffer because you focus on that one thing so much. And I think weightlifting’s probably the same in that regard.

Sevan Matossian (13:18):

It’s interesting. You say that one of the final comments? Uh, I think it was who, who was, who was commentating with Adrian Conway. That’s Joel, Joel,

Andrew Hiller (13:24):


Sevan Matossian (13:25):

Joel, Joel said that. Um, no, no, it was Adrian Conway. It said it, I guess he had, uh, Adler on his, uh, podcast and he told Adrian Conway. Yeah, I don’t need to get any stronger. Like I’m just trying to maintain my strength. Um, because I guess there’s a cost for him to get stronger. Right. And so that there’s, and there’s a cost of benefit. So if he wants to win the CrossFit games, there’s a greater benefit to working on another ship besides his strength.

Mattew Souza (13:52):

Yeah. Especially if your strength’s already at the level that it needs to be, like if you’re able to move the weights that are on the field already and you could already know where you’re gonna place amongst all the other athletes, like in terms of like your max loads and you’re already there check the box and go work on some other things that are gonna vary. Like, especially if you go into the games you’re running,

Andrew Hiller (14:09):

Hold on to your shorts guys. But I think it was Ben Bergeron who said that you have to be strong enough to pay to play. And I think he was talking in specific the ability to snatch 2 65 for the males back in like 2018 or 19 to qualify for the next stage of competition, which would’ve been the sanctions at that point, Ben Berger on props. And I agree with that. You’ve gotta be strong enough to get to wherever it is you wanna be. So if Jr comes up and he goes, Hey, I wanna make it to, if he’s a 25 year old dude and he wants to make it to the sanctions that year, he goes, okay, can you snatch 2 65? If the answer’s no, you gotta work at it. And if he can do 2 95, then why waste time snatching all that much? Mm-hmm <affirmative> like if he can’t do other things,

Mattew Souza (14:51):


Sevan Matossian (14:51):

That being said, the strongest guys at the CrossFit games always seem to win. And what do I mean by that? Maybe there’s one or two guys who are strong than rich in, in one or two lifts the years he won the games. But, but it was, it was only him and Tommy Hacken Brook who, who went for the 400 pound overhead squat. Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Mattew Souza (15:09):

I remember that.

Andrew Hiller (15:10):

And didn’t Frazier go? No, he hit, he hit the, the 3 75

Sevan Matossian (15:15):

And so seven and no one and no one’s gonna say that Fraser wasn’t one of the strongest every year. Right.

Andrew Hiller (15:21):

Okay. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (15:23):

I mean, I’m feeling it out I’m I’m not fighting with you. I’m just feeling it out and saying, how

Andrew Hiller (15:26):

About Sam Briggs? The year she won.

Sevan Matossian (15:28):

Right, right, right, right. Okay.

Mattew Souza (15:32):

And then what about there’s the, the Rudy, you guys remember Rudy?

Sevan Matossian (15:34):

Hey, that was just shitty programming. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (15:38):

Let’s go do a program review of the two

Mattew Souza (15:40):

18 play the programming. As I say, remember back in the day, there’s a guy named Rudy nisen he used to do, they outlaw CrossFit, like programming the competi stuff. And, and he had this theory that like whoever the male was that had the, the max, like the highest snatch was the predictor to win the CrossFit games. And if you guys remember that old video where, um, what’s his face, uh, what’s that five time Champ’s name again? Oh yeah. Frazier. He snatched that three 15 without his shoes tied. And Rudy NIS kind of made the call there and said, this will be your guys’ next CrossFit game champion. What do you think about that?

Sevan Matossian (16:11):


Mattew Souza (16:12):

Does it correlate that much? I don’t know. What is, I don’t know. What is max snack

Andrew Hiller (16:17):

Is? Well, well then to would also be a contender then too, who? To Orio.

Sevan Matossian (16:21):

Oh, well, so

Andrew Hiller (16:23):

Would Anthony Davis,

Sevan Matossian (16:24):

Um, uh, Scott pan was on the show and he said, Hey, um, whoever wins this workout right here is gonna win this semi-final.

Mattew Souza (16:33):

Yeah, the Midland sadness.

Sevan Matossian (16:35):

And not only, not only did, um, not only was he right, but they placed seven in a row. First through seven were first through seven in the, at that semifinal. That was pretty crazy. And I think that defining piece in there that Scott was most locked in on was the overhead squat.

Mattew Souza (16:52):


Andrew Hiller (16:53):

Just like the all encompassing movement. Yeah. Shows that you’re mobile strong, well, pieced together. Mm-hmm

Mattew Souza (17:01):

<affirmative> skilled at the H tail lot.

Sevan Matossian (17:03):

What do you think JRR do you have a favorite? A favorite? Um, you gotta say something before people start making fun of you. You gotta got you got, you got a favorite movement, snatch, overhead squad that you like to see as some sort of defining factor.

JR Howell (17:14):

Yeah. I mean, I think we had collar on once and he said if there was one movement, he could pick that. You could just say someone is a machine. It would be a really, really heavy overhead squat. Cause if one thing is off, you can’t do it. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and people were talking a lot in the comments about being surprised at what Adler hit and then, you know, Adrian chimed in and said, you know, I talked to me said, I just need to be strong enough in order for me to be fitter. I can’t get any stronger. If anything, I just need to try to maintain my strength or be somewhere close to that. And thinking back, like to 20.4, you know, you think about performances that are like the most impressive things you’ve ever seen in CrossFit. A lot of would say Fraser’s friendly. Fran. I would throw people like Dakota Rangers, 18.3 in there, just like the most jaw dropping single performances that you saw. If you remember Jeff Adler on 20.4, how fast he did that? Cleaning jerk ladder three 15 looked like 2 25. It was nuts. Just power cleaning, push jerk, all of them. And he, he doesn’t even do more than that in this complex until his last lift. So clearly he’s been prioritizing training in that way.

Sevan Matossian (18:18):

Mm-hmm, <affirmative>, that’s the due to, uh, and Adler’s also the guy with the 400 pound deadlift on his first day of weightlifting. <laugh> right. Isn’t that one of the stories that they told?

Andrew Hiller (18:29):

I think so. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (18:30):


JR Howell (18:31):

But I mean, he hit that 3 35 and he didn’t look, he didn’t look very fatigued from it. It looked like he had more in the tank, but he knew that was probably what he needed to do. And that was it.

Sevan Matossian (18:39):

Yeah. They

Andrew Hiller (18:40):

Sitting in second,

Sevan Matossian (18:41):

I saw a lot of good lifts. I feel like it was the best lifting I’ve seen at any of the semifinals, just from just a, a casual. Okay. Yeah. And, and, and, and most of it I’m putting just on the, on the jerks. Cause we saw a lot, we’ve seen a lot of funky footwork on the jerks throughout this last three weeks.

Andrew Hiller (18:55):

Yeah. What’s with that

Sevan Matossian (18:57):

People doing the onesy twosy, they’re just pushing their limits, getting done. Do

Andrew Hiller (19:00):

You think it’s the fact that they’re using the wood platforms and they never use those at they their ever year training.

Mattew Souza (19:04):


Andrew Hiller (19:05):

Everyone, everyone trains on rubber matting of some sort. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (19:08):

Might it might have a little play with it, but also too. I mean, as you guys know that complex is just super heavy on the legs.

Sevan Matossian (19:13):

Can you pull up, uh, Dave Castro’s, um, Instagram real quick. I, I wanna show you guys something, the importance of giving people attribution, um, Butan, um, when, when it’s, uh, appropriate there, it’s a picture, uh, where Dave’s celebrating that it’s good to be back and it’s a picture of him and, uh, the great Nicole car and that’s Gary Gaines there, he’s the new guy on the team. Who’s running the affiliates, excited to be back in the fight with CrossFit and leaders like Nicole, Carol and Gary Gaines. I’m here to serve the CF team, the CF community, and the amazing methodology that Greg Glassman created and changed the world with let’s do this. And then he gives the photo credit to Eric Rose a fall 2021. Just thought that that was, uh, really class act <laugh>. And, and I, and I like Dave with the mustache. You like Dave with the mustache Jr.

JR Howell (20:04):

I’m a fan of

Sevan Matossian (20:05):

It. Yeah. Me too. Hiller

Andrew Hiller (20:06):

Top, top gun look.

Sevan Matossian (20:08):

Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (20:09):

It’s it’s, you know,

Sevan Matossian (20:11):

Gives me a Clint east would um,

Andrew Hiller (20:13):

No, no, no. Miles

Sevan Matossian (20:14):

Western look <laugh>.

Mattew Souza (20:16):

Yeah, it’s a little, it’s a little cowboy-ish. I like the cornrows,

Sevan Matossian (20:19):

The best guy. Who’s miles who’s miles.

Andrew Hiller (20:21):

He’s an actor in, or he’s a character in the new top gun movie that everyone’s talking about right now. Oh, but we know you haven’t seen top gun.

Sevan Matossian (20:28):

No, I want, I need, I want who so bad. It’s

Andrew Hiller (20:31):

Probably the best movie ever.

Sevan Matossian (20:33):

You know, it, you know, it sat in the can for like almost two years.

Andrew Hiller (20:36):

Yes. They didn’t wanna waste it on a time where no one could see a movie in theaters.

Sevan Matossian (20:40):

Crazy. Um, did you, let’s talk about, let’s talk about GE lift earlier. Um, it was something that we didn’t speak about earlier.

Sevan Matossian (20:50):

I, there there’s a, uh, I think that we’ve seen a lot of different angles. I really like the most recent angle I saw. I think I included it in my notes SU where you can actually see the refer, the referee, the judge telling him to come forward. The judge is actually scared. He’s gonna fall off the back. Um, from all, from all of these videos, I was thinking that the platform was fucked, but actually it’s GE who’s fucked. Right. <laugh> why is he standing so far back? Why is he way back there? Why didn’t he roll the weights up? Just too excited to do the lift?

Andrew Hiller (21:19):

Why is a

JR Howell (21:19):

Lot of times lifters will do that. If they think that if they’re gonna fail the lift at all, it could be forward on the jerk. And it just gives him a little bit more real estate to walk it out and still stay on the platform. Mm.

Sevan Matossian (21:30):

And, and, and it really is. It, it’s not a very good jerk. I mean, it’s a horrible jerk. Actually go, go ahead. Go. I mean, he, he’s just, he’s just strong.

Andrew Hiller (21:39):

Well, first to the second one, it’s horrible.

Sevan Matossian (21:41):

Uh, there’s only one jerk.

Andrew Hiller (21:45):

I looks like he’s

Sevan Matossian (21:45):

Also jumping a little faster. Oh, <laugh> got me Hiller. Sorry.

Andrew Hiller (21:50):


Sevan Matossian (21:51):

Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful positioning. Everything’s beautiful. He’s moving quick. He’s moving quick. Oh, it’s not as bad as I thought. Okay. It’s not as bad as I thought. It’s not as bad as I thought he gets his leg back there. And, and, and, and the trip, the trip here is, is that people are tripping because he took a, a double stab at it. And, uh, and, and that’s against the rules, right?

Andrew Hiller (22:17):

It’s against the fucking rules.

Sevan Matossian (22:20):

Yeah. Here’s the thing. Here’s I don’t give a

Andrew Hiller (22:22):

Fuck that judge would’ve been murdered on the spot though.

Sevan Matossian (22:25):

Here. Let me tell you what I heard. Let me tell you the story. I heard. I heard that he did his first lift, and then when he went to go do his second lift, just prior to doing his second lift, someone got injured and the guy was screaming and rolling around on the ground. And the only person who ran over there was G and G ran over there.

Andrew Hiller (22:46):

Be the

Sevan Matossian (22:46):


Andrew Hiller (22:48):


Sevan Matossian (22:49):

G ran over there to talk to this dude, make sure he is okay. And during that time missed his second lift and then came back with only 22nd spare to get his third lift.

Andrew Hiller (23:03):

Really? That’s a good you think Jr.

Sevan Matossian (23:06):

I don’t even know what this immediate,

JR Howell (23:09):

Not that he really needed it, but I think it’s impressive that he could let his mind go away from the task at hand and then just come right back to it and be like, okay. Yeah, I gotta hit this 3 57 now.

Sevan Matossian (23:18):

Hey dude. It’s just like, if you’re getting it on with your wife and the dog wants to come in the room and you hear him scratching on the door and you gotta stop and go open it. It’s no different don’t act like it’s some great thing he did.

JR Howell (23:28):

<laugh> fair. Those,

Sevan Matossian (23:29):

Sorry, Hillary. I had to put how in this place, sorry, sorry. I made three babies doing that move. Uh, Jr. I made three babies doing that move having to let the dog in and out of the room

JR Howell (23:40):

Just to make it last. A few more minutes.

Andrew Hiller (23:42):

<laugh> a few more seconds.

Andrew Hiller (23:46):

The only time that that works out is in the movies. When you’re like trying to take care of your competitors, it’s like, oh, look at the heroes. And I go help out his competitor. And then the competitively ends up fucking with him so that he can like take advantage of him by trying to, oh, look, I broke my ankle. I can’t stand up. And the guy picks him up and he finishes the, he throws out of the ground and he finishes the race in front of him. And then the hero ends up like somehow coming out on top after everything. It’s it only works in the movies. Never in real life. If I see, like, you wouldn’t see con McGregor, like take it easy on somebody, right? Or how do you feel about that? Someone?

Sevan Matossian (24:17):

I, I mean, I have, we, we have seen, we have seen people. We saw Glover to share a beaten of Anthony Smith and look at the referee and go, what the fuck? We also search George Foreman do that. You know, 15, 20 years ago, 30 years ago in a match in a heavyweight match. He’s punching the dude and he like stops. And he is like, ref, like what,

Andrew Hiller (24:33):

Um, did, did, did he then get knocked the fuck out because

Sevan Matossian (24:35):

No, no, both those guys won. Both those guys won. Okay.

Andrew Hiller (24:38):

Well it works out other places than the movie.

Sevan Matossian (24:40):

What, what is, what, what his lift have been? What was his first lift? What? He won the event with his first lift?

Andrew Hiller (24:45):


Sevan Matossian (24:45):

Oh, wow. Okay. So I don’t care. Take it away from him. What do I care?

Andrew Hiller (24:51):

Damn right.

Sevan Matossian (24:52):

Yeah. What do I care? He shouldn’t care either. That’s awesome. Hey, he should turn himself in. He should, he should make a video. He is turning himself into the police department down there in Brazil.

Andrew Hiller (25:00):

Hey guys. To the police department.

Sevan Matossian (25:01):

Yeah. Wherever

Andrew Hiller (25:03):

The video I put out tomorrow as evidence, he goes, Hey, watch this and arrest me.

Sevan Matossian (25:07):

Um, Jr. We’re at the CrossFit games. It’s the final event. 2022. And it’s a lifting event. And gee wins the event and win beats, Justin Maderas by five points. And it was the exact same thing that happened that we just saw happen there. Mm <laugh> Hillary’s got hard. Hillary got hard. You get your turn to buddy, what

Andrew Hiller (25:38):

Do we

Sevan Matossian (25:39):

Do? What do we do at that point? The, the judge, let it go. The judge has a fantastic explanation. That’s within the rule book. He’s not given him a pass. He thought it was a bar adjustment, which is allowed, right?

JR Howell (25:52):

Yes. A regroup is allowed, but not a re rack. So at that point you have to go. It’s a,

Sevan Matossian (25:59):

Yeah. Okay. So, so whether whatever he did or not, doesn’t matter, I’m just saying what the judge said. So it’s, let’s say the judge said something that, that makes it, so it falls within the rules. Here we go.

JR Howell (26:09):

Then you gotta go with the call on the floor.

Sevan Matossian (26:11):

Well, look how high it comes up. And D would be D would be the champion with the, with the, with the capacity to have beat him. It’s not like he cheated, but he, but, but it’s still not within the rules. You play

Andrew Hiller (26:24):

The test game. Anybody can win.

Mattew Souza (26:26):

Well, what qualifies as it like lifting up? Like, does it have to re is if like, if it’s over your head, is that too high? Because we did see him do a re like a readjust in the front rack when he came out of that, uh

Sevan Matossian (26:38):

It’s. His foot goes back. SU his foot actually goes back in that first one. Yes, I did see that. I did see that.

Andrew Hiller (26:44):

Hey, it’s when I, when I release my video tomorrow

Sevan Matossian (26:47):

<laugh> Hey, Hiller, won’t speak on it. Jr. Doesn’t wanna speak on it until he sees your video. Sorry. Jr. Go

JR Howell (26:52):

Ahead. No, I was gonna say just, it it’s strange because it doesn’t look like he attempts to push under the bar, but his foot does move, which makes it really odd looking.

Sevan Matossian (27:02):

Let’s see. One more time.

Andrew Hiller (27:03):

Yeah. The motherfucker moves so fast that it’s hard to tell. And then of course I cut it down to like 25% speed and you, and a hundred percent looks like he’s going for a jerk. There’s no doubting it. And then the other thing that I try to point out in the video is that when he’s doing these complexes, it try, it looks like he’s trying to get him over as quick as possible. If anything, because it looks cooler and maybe it’s time under retention. Maybe it’s just the way that he goes about doing these things, but it is what he does. He tries to get off his shoulders, get it over with. It’s like, oh, look at how easy that was for him. And it looks like it is trying to be what he was going for. It’s like, look how easy that’s destroyed the record. And then he’s like, oh shit, the bar’s a little bit in front. I need to save this. That’s what it looks like to me. And I break it down and it’s all slow in nine minute mark in the video, if you don’t wanna waste your time on the first nine minutes,

Sevan Matossian (27:50):

Uh, Karina rain, KA, and, and the other chicken, the same heat. Ketle Douglas, please tell. Oh, we talked about that in the last show. KA, uh, and Hiller made a video on it on his Instagram. I think that we, um, were questioning, um, her reps, uh, Mr. James Townson. Thank you. It’s McDonald’s and Oreo money. You’ll get abs like me. Oh geez.

Andrew Hiller (28:13):

Hey, you gotta go buy some I’ll.

Sevan Matossian (28:15):

I’ll never, ever as it made in the kitchen, I’ll never you ever, had

Andrew Hiller (28:19):

You ever had to make flurry before

Sevan Matossian (28:20):

Seon? No, I’d like to

Andrew Hiller (28:24):

They’re they’re you gotta mix the Oreos with the M and M’s and

Sevan Matossian (28:27):

I like, I like all Oreo shakes. Um, let’s pull up, Joe, Joe, Joey Jo, is that Patrick Jo. And let’s talk about whether he what’s gonna happen to him, get your guys’ predictions, um, for, for his future. Is he going to the CrossFit

Andrew Hiller (28:45):

Games? I think he’s washed up. I think it’s all over.

Sevan Matossian (28:47):

You do

Andrew Hiller (28:48):

<laugh> oh, it’s gonna be close. I, I think I said on the first day that he would’ve finished in fifth or sixth and he’s in sixth and I think Brian said the same thing. And you were the only one who thought he was gonna totally dominate ner and LER.

Sevan Matossian (29:03):

Ah, thanks, Hiller. Um, <laugh> so Jr. I guess the data that we have here is that we we’re can compare him to Spencer. Right. And we can see, he took first in that, in that workout. And Spencer took a 16th then an eighth and a first, and then they’ve kind of flipped the script on the next two workouts. So I guess the question is do the next two workouts favor Austin, Spencer, or Nicholas. Um, Joad based on what we know about those. I mean, we, we kind of know what they’re good at now, right?

JR Howell (29:37):

To an extent. Yeah. I mean, they both had to do the same test. They both had to deal with pretty big chunks of gymnastics. They both had to deal with lifting under fatigue and they both had to do a one wrap max complex. The one thing that we can say is that there will be no more barbell enjoy out’s worst finishes have been both workouts with barbell, one being the max lift, and then one with the 15 snatches under fatigue. I don’t have.

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