#446 | Strength in Depth & Atlas Games Pt. 2

Andrew Hiller (00:00):

I was like, we’re not doing this anymore.

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam. We’re live. Who’s Steven Jones. What happened?

Andrew Hiller (00:05):

Steven Jones is actually a guy. I know he’s out of Iowa and I think he’s south now. Actually. I’m not sure if he’s from Iowa, but he’s one of those guys that I know locally who qualified for Atlas games and everything set up. And he ended up not being able to make it because his flight got canceled. I like the last minute and he is a med student and he had a bunch of tests that he couldn’t like reschedule or study for. And he had tried similar to a bunch of other athletes to get into a semi-final closer, either syndicate or the Mac mm-hmm <affirmative> and of course they said no, but they did say yes to ma Obrien

Sevan Matossian (00:36):

Wait, but, but why couldn’t he make it to CA oh, so he didn’t have, he didn’t get stuck at the border for like having a DUI or something?

Andrew Hiller (00:42):

No, I think it was issues with like the last minute of his flight getting canceled and it ended up being too stressful when it wouldn’t have been anywhere near as challenging. Like a lot of the other stories, just a slightly different spin on it. First, Steven

Sevan Matossian (00:54):

Wasn’t like, cuz he looked like bin Laden.

Andrew Hiller (00:57):

I don’t think that was the issue. He, he looks like me with blonde hair.

Sevan Matossian (01:00):

All right.

Andrew Hiller (01:01):

<laugh> he looks like Taylor self with blonde hair. He looks at Jr. With blonde hair.

Sevan Matossian (01:06):

I woke up, I went, I stayed up so late. Have you ever I’m I’m embarrassed to say this. It was, it was 9 46 last night and I’m like, okay, I’m gonna answer as many DMS as I can. And then when the clock turns to 10, I’m just gonna fucking jump into bed 1202.

Andrew Hiller (01:26):


Sevan Matossian (01:28):

Like two hours and 16 minutes of answering DMS.

Andrew Hiller (01:31):

How made you get through?

Sevan Matossian (01:33):

I don’t know. What’s fucked up is I have so many accounts that like, by the time you clear one account and then you go back to the other account that they’ve started trickling back in again.

Andrew Hiller (01:42):


Sevan Matossian (01:43):

And you kind of never touched the people send me good stuff. It’s not like people like, and so it’s kind of like important to like, you know what I mean? Like they like, Hey look, pillars done porn before and they it’s a link to it. And I’m like, wow.

Andrew Hiller (01:54):

How did someone sent you that? Yes, I watch that. Yes. Fuck. You’re kidding.

Sevan Matossian (01:58):

My wife and I watched it last night

Andrew Hiller (02:00):

At midnight. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (02:02):

I, I saw the leggings conversation going on in the, uh, comments. Um, it’s always funny to me when people are making fun of the guys wearing leggings and then some guy gets on his high horse and he is like, imagine complaining about leggings. And then I want to be like, someone needs to say, imagine complaining about people complaining about leggings. And then I just, I feel like it’s like, you know, like when you put a mirror in front of like a camera and it just goes on to infinity always, always

Andrew Hiller (02:28):

It’s it totally just depends. Like some dude just wear ’em cuz they like him and that’s cool. Right? No Lucas Parker the, yeah, I swear to God he swung those things. Well,

Sevan Matossian (02:43):

I don’t have opinion on it. However, however you’re gonna perform best. I think you should do it. Basically. I, the most important thing to me when I go out is that there’s my pants. Aren’t my, underwear’s a good underwear. So I don’t have any fucking unnecessary tension drawn for me to my cock balls. I don’t wanna wear something that, that fucks up my, I don’t wanna pay attention to my cock balls during

Andrew Hiller (03:04):

The day. It was the biggest thing when it came to competing on the team. Yeah. Is that I swear to God the entire team, there was one individual in particular that was like, what are we gonna wear? What are we gonna wear? We, we gotta match. We gotta match. It’s like shut the fuck up. We’re gonna wear whatever it gets in the way the least, or like whatever we’re used to wear.

Sevan Matossian (03:20):

Well, just choose or just choose something for us and we’ll wear it. So cock MOS. And then the other thing is I can’t have a shirt that’s like stuck to my, to my, to my gun because I, I hate doing, always doing this. So I, I, I just get my muffin. Can’t have my shirt hanging on it. So it’s gotta be something that it can like hang off my shoulders and pass my, my fucking that’s it. That’s all I care about. Other than that, I don’t give a shit.

Andrew Hiller (03:44):

Jr. Do you worry about your cocking balls when you, uh, pick your apparel for working out? Of

Sevan Matossian (03:48):


JR Howell (03:49):

No. I think I’ve worn the same, like compression the past

Sevan Matossian (03:52):

Eight years. Oh. Oh. So you do wear leggings. Compression is just a, is just like a term leggings when you’re afraid of the word leggings

JR Howell (03:59):

Shorts with shorts over them compression shorts with shorts a top.

Sevan Matossian (04:02):

Oh. So he wears a girdle. He wears a girdle and a pair of shorts. He

Andrew Hiller (04:07):

Wears KT.

Sevan Matossian (04:10):

I used to, I used to, uh, I used to in high school, I used to wear long Johns. And then when shorts over ’em and I’d go to school like that. And I remember one time walking home from school and there’s this girl and I was friends with her and she was a goth chick. I don’t know if you guys know what that is, but, and I was like, fucking, just ripping her, just talking mad shit about her, about how she looked like a vampire. And she’s like, look at you, motherfucker. And I looked and I got these orange long Johns on and a pair of shorts. I’m like, oh God.

Andrew Hiller (04:36):

And what does that classify you? As

Sevan Matossian (04:37):

I was such a tool, I was a tool.

Andrew Hiller (04:39):

You’re a tool.

Sevan Matossian (04:40):

She schooled my shit. I loved her Michelle Edward. She was like my girlfriend in the second grade. And then in high school she was goth. She was fucking cool.

Andrew Hiller (04:48):

You left her because she was goth.

Sevan Matossian (04:51):

No, she just, I just, I don’t know what happened. Just second, second. Grade’s a little early to commit to something long term. <laugh> uh, who is this guy? This Matt Fraser hard work pays off fucking Greek. God looking, Joel, Joelle, no grips. Fuck you to the grips. He doesn’t even, he doesn’t even Kip, uh, toes. The bar he’s got, he looks up more like a swim stroke. Who is this guy? Are

Andrew Hiller (05:18):

We a couple of things?

Sevan Matossian (05:19):

Are we seeing innovation by the way in those movements? Go ahead, Hillary.

Andrew Hiller (05:23):

Number one, it seemed like he had never been interviewed before. So he is like hard work pays off

Sevan Matossian (05:28):

<laugh> yeah,

Andrew Hiller (05:28):

I love that’s. That’s that’s kinda the vibe I got.

Sevan Matossian (05:30):

Maybe he’s just from the heavens. Maybe he’s a Titan and he’s half man, half God. And he just came down. Is he a gymnast?

Andrew Hiller (05:37):

Yeah, he just scrolled through his Instagram. There’s a picture of him. He was a gymnastics dude, which makes sense as to why he wouldn’t be wearing grips. All right. Or maybe he would be wearing them because he’s been using them longer than everybody, but the grip strength could have come from his gymnastics days rings. Um, what do you think of that physique?

Sevan Matossian (05:56):

Uh, he’s stout dude. He he’s a good looking dude. He looked, he looked great. Um, oh, to, I, I don’t know enough about gymnastics. So you’re telling me that real gymnasts don’t use grips that that’s a, that’s a

Andrew Hiller (06:11):


Sevan Matossian (06:11):

Of gymnastics by CrossFiters

Andrew Hiller (06:13):

Depending on the event they do use grips and actually the gymnastic grips are a bastardization of the actual gymnast grips.

Sevan Matossian (06:20):

Okay. The ones with like the hooks that keep you on the bar,

Andrew Hiller (06:23):

It’s a little wooden dowel. It’s

Sevan Matossian (06:25):

Like, okay. Oh, right, right.

Andrew Hiller (06:26):


Sevan Matossian (06:29):

How do I get my stash to say black? The fuck kind of question is that so when we, same way I get your mom to come home with me from the bar. It just happens. Okay. Sorry. Um, uh, I’m in, I’m short today. I’m short every day. Um, uh, do, do we like him? What was that? What what’s that tipping thing? He does that non kipping thing. He’s not swinging his, his, his, um, his heels never look like they go beyond, beyond behind his midline or whatever that is. Like, he’s just doing like this stroke, like this.

Andrew Hiller (07:04):


JR Howell (07:04):

That’s a technique that a lot of people will do. If they’re trying to do a set really, really fast, you typically don’t see people do it for four sets of 24 in a workout.

Sevan Matossian (07:13):

Uh, too many.

Andrew Hiller (07:14):

No, that shit.

JR Howell (07:17):

It, it, it usually, it usually will just fry you to the point where you cannot do them that way anymore.

Sevan Matossian (07:22):

So you’re impressed that he, that he did it with, for, with 96 toes to bar in and totality. Um, and he was able to, to win the event,

Andrew Hiller (07:33):

Correct? Yes. It’s what they do in the Gridley. So when they had to do quick toes bar in the Gridley, you would see people doing that. Like reverse circle almost. Yeah. Someone in the comments goes, it’s just a no kipping Kip to, to bar. It’s not big ground breaking.

Sevan Matossian (07:47):

I, I don’t, I don’t know if it’s, I don’t know if it’s, if it’s, I wouldn’t call that Kip, would you?

Andrew Hiller (07:52):

It’s probably why it’s more challenging and more impressive because it does require a little bit more like of your core to do it for a rep after rep, which is why it’s quicker, which is why people don’t do it for as many reps, like Jr. Just said,

Sevan Matossian (08:03):

Uh, and this is exactly what I was thinking. Um, what Christine said all core. Powerful. Can you pull that picture up from him? That is what’s unique about his body is something’s going on with his core, right? I mean, he, he, that, that, that trunk is gymnast. Shit.

JR Howell (08:17):

Doesn’t look that much different than Pat’s.

Sevan Matossian (08:20):

Ah, good point. Great point and same thing. Right? We got another gymnast than pat little circus, circus monkey. Okay. Circus, right? Yeah. Whoa, good observation. Yep.

Andrew Hiller (08:32):

He look like pet.

Sevan Matossian (08:34):

What, what, how big is this cat?

Andrew Hiller (08:37):

How, what,

Sevan Matossian (08:37):

How big is this guy? Do we know his, his height and his weight?

Andrew Hiller (08:41):

He is 70 inches. 200 pounds.

Sevan Matossian (08:43):

Wow. Okay. So five, 10. So he is a big dude.

Andrew Hiller (08:47):

Uh, yeah. Five 10.

Sevan Matossian (08:49):

Um, do we, do we know about him Jr? Is he, is he, are we surprised to see him? Just all of a sudden on the scene, what’s the deal

JR Howell (08:55):

I’ve never heard of him before tonight.

Andrew Hiller (08:57):

I have, I always see his name at the top of the leaderboards on like these online qualifiers. I think he was just at waap ALZA and usually that’s where I recall seeing his name. Usually I know the names sometimes I don’t have faces to put on him,

Sevan Matossian (09:11):

But so

Andrew Hiller (09:11):

We know he’s always been good.

Sevan Matossian (09:14):

How, how old, how old was he? Caleb?

Andrew Hiller (09:15):

20, 28.

Sevan Matossian (09:17):

Oh shit. He’s old. Okay. Watching, maybe it’s maybe it’s not worth knowing too much about him. Uh, he won the first event and, uh, I think that we’ve decided that he passed pat Vener in the, in the final, in the final seconds there he won the second event. I think we can agree. We’ll go back and circle back and talk about how he passed pat Vener there. Um, he, uh, he did not use the typical Kip on the toes to bar. Uh, he does hard work, pays off. We know that about him. That’s Matt. Fraser’s, uh, the, the greatest, you know, male CrossFitter in the history of the planet. If, if you CrossFit games denotes that, um, and he’s doing his programming, um, and uh, in his interview he said he never misses a training day. I don’t miss a training day and I believe him. Oh. And Andrew Hiller knows him because he sees him on leaderboards. But no one picked this guy. Tell me how someone like this slips through the ropes is this normal? Is this because we’re not doing our job? Um, how does someone like this? Uh, I mean, he wasn’t, he wasn’t even anyone’s, uh, um, dark horse.

Andrew Hiller (10:23):

He probably slips through the cracks the same way. Ah, I can’t say that about Jason Hopper though, because he was younger and he was just like coming up and Nicholas has been around for a long time and it’s very possible that these first two workouts are good for him. And he’s not, he’ll, he’s always been on the cusp. So in these qualifiers, I’ll always notice that he is in like the top three of the qualifier and then it doesn’t connect at the actual event. And that’s probably why many people know his name. And in maybe it’s possible, he’s got some wheelhouse workouts here and he’ll be on the cusp again. But I, I figure he’ll probably finish fourth or fifth at the end of the weekend.

Sevan Matossian (10:57):


Andrew Hiller (10:57):

My take,

Sevan Matossian (10:58):

Um, I, I, I so wish he was a Ben Bergeron guy. God, that would make the conversation so much more interesting. Um, Jr. Do, um, Hiller’s already given this guy a, a spot to the games. Um, what do you say after two events?

JR Howell (11:11):

Well, knowing what we know about the program design for the rest of the weekend, being pretty dense in gymnastics. I don’t see someone like him struggling at all with legless, comparatively to the field. I can’t see him struggling at all upside down. If his midline is this robust, you would think that’s a big advantage on the workout with a hundred GDS. And even if he does take like a bottom 15 on the lift, based on what we’ve seen so far, we don’t know if he has other holes. I wouldn’t think it’s very far fetched at all to say ho stay in the top 10. But you know, we had, we had Gabby McClellan that everyone was like, who is this girl? And then after day two, she was still in the lead and number one. And then the last day came around and she ended up pulling out of the top five. So we should probably still reserve right. To make that call

Sevan Matossian (11:59):

A, a beaver. Um, can you pull up his Instagram again? Let’s see if we can see him lift, like what if he’s got, what if he’s not strong? What if he’s got like a, what if he’s gonna get, have a 2 45 complex?

Andrew Hiller (12:08):

Does he look that strong to you?

Sevan Matossian (12:10):

He looks strong as shit to me. I’m just saying maybe there’s gonna be, oh, I think

Andrew Hiller (12:14):

He’s got a 600 pound dead

Sevan Matossian (12:16):

Lift. Oh my goodness. Four by

Andrew Hiller (12:22):

10, 4 95 by 10.

Sevan Matossian (12:23):

Hey. And, and he’s, he’s not even touching going. He’s he’s drawn from a dead stand still each time

Andrew Hiller (12:28):

He’s doing it the real way.

Sevan Matossian (12:30):

And those socks gotta be reducing his tea count.

Andrew Hiller (12:34):

I don’t think so.

Sevan Matossian (12:36):

My goodness.

Andrew Hiller (12:37):

You’re saying need to be stronger with, uh, different socks. He’s got 600 for one.

Sevan Matossian (12:41):

Let’s see, we’re looking at Nicholas Joelle. Uh, he cannot say pop and forget the smoke. How did we know that? That’s 600. How do we know? That’s 600.

Andrew Hiller (12:53):

I don’t, uh, I don’t think that that is his 600, because there’s another lift that it says 600 on it. I can’t believe the 4 95 by 10.

Sevan Matossian (13:02):

That that was

Andrew Hiller (13:03):

Jar. Does that make sense to you? That’s that’s I think it’s only the yellows. Yeah.

JR Howell (13:07):

That’s really impressive.

Andrew Hiller (13:09):

So like, geez, I can pull, I pull six 15 and I could not pull 4 95 for 10. That’s just, that’s a weird correlation. That that’s why that was easy.

Sevan Matossian (13:21):

Hey, let’s watch that one more time. Look at, look at this. What do you think about this little bend he gets in his arm before he pulls too Savage, right?

Andrew Hiller (13:28):

That’s why normal. You use grips on toes to bar. He’s got strong arms

Sevan Matossian (13:32):

Look at, oh my goodness. Oh

Andrew Hiller (13:36):

My goodness. That’s a bicep. Wait to happen. That’s what that is.

Sevan Matossian (13:39):

Ah, that’s interesting. Okay. Double over. Okay. Uh, let’s see if we can scroll. Let’s scroll down a little bit more. Let’s see. I wanna just wanna let’s let’s pry into this guy’s business a little bit more. Who’s that guy is there with, um, by the way that Jason Hopper referenced is interesting, cuz one of the commentators said he could be having a Jason Hopper weekend. I think referencing Jason’s blowout at the Mac last year. Um, okay. Skip that. Uh, okay. Skip that. Is this guy Canadian?

Andrew Hiller (14:09):


Sevan Matossian (14:09):

Oh, that sucks

Andrew Hiller (14:13):

Or it doesn’t sucks. Waza there you go.

Sevan Matossian (14:20):

Yeah. So, so we haven’t seen any of his Olympic, what

Andrew Hiller (14:22):

Year is this?

Sevan Matossian (14:23):

We haven’t seen any of his Olympic that’s

Andrew Hiller (14:24):

A long

JR Howell (14:24):

That’s 19, maybe,

Andrew Hiller (14:26):

Maybe 19. Uh, I did this event. I think I took fourth on that event. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (14:35):

Oh, is that, is his post back when that virus was still a joke? I might like this guy.

Andrew Hiller (14:39):

No, this was like right before it was a joke.

Sevan Matossian (14:41):

Oh, oh

Andrew Hiller (14:42):

This is a crazy event because those were all steel plates and that stage was shaking. Like crazy. It wasn’t really meant to be doing that.

Sevan Matossian (14:51):

Okay. So that’s a P so he doesn’t post very much. That was two years ago. Scroll back up. Okay. So, and we, and we, so we, we don’t see any recent work from him. I don’t see any, uh, but, but he’s definitely doing, um, hard work, pays off. He said it, he was wearing the shirt and right when it started, he took it off. All right. It’s exciting. It’s exciting when you get some new meat in the, in the class like this, right?

Andrew Hiller (15:12):

Let say Sylvester’s alone. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (15:15):

Hey, if, if he beats, if he beats Vener continuously here, I think Vener looks good by the way. I can’t, it’s not like what’s going on over, um, at Atlas games where we’re looking at Katherine and we’re like, okay. Um, you know, she doesn’t, she doesn’t look like the best catcher ever. I think that, I think we kind of agreed on that and Vener looks great. Doesn’t he?

Andrew Hiller (15:36):

He does. There are two events he does

Sevan Matossian (15:39):


JR Howell (15:40):

Yeah. I think we need to calm down a little bit.

Sevan Matossian (15:43):

All right. Alright.

Andrew Hiller (15:43):

About what about

JR Howell (15:46):

This guy winning the whole,

Andrew Hiller (15:48):

I said he was gonna finish fourth or fifth Seon. Seon.

Sevan Matossian (15:52):

I’m I’m so excited. I’m getting, I’m getting on the band. I, I think he’s going to, uh, I think he’s gonna grab a handful of pubes out of tunes pants and just throw him in the air. Like this guy does what he wants. He doesn’t, this guy gives zero fucks. Just rip. Oh, gimme those Phil.

Andrew Hiller (16:11):

I don’t think so.

Sevan Matossian (16:12):

<laugh> yes.

Andrew Hiller (16:14):

That’s not how I feel about that.

Sevan Matossian (16:16):

That’s how I feel about Joelle. He just can rip out a handful of he’s the new man.

Andrew Hiller (16:20):

You think Joelle’s gonna go up to Eros and cut the Molet off and take his spot at the podium?

Sevan Matossian (16:25):

No, no, one’s doing anything. Madera’s feet. Don’t touch the ground. Okay. Can I see the leaderboard I want, I want, let’s talk about Jack, uh, Farlow. Uh, the young man had an incredible first event and now he, uh, he struggled on that second event. What’s crazy. Is, did you see how much he had left in the tank at the end? There he was, he was flying with the bag. Is that just bad calculations on his part?

JR Howell (16:47):

Mm sounds like maybe just a grip limitation.

Sevan Matossian (16:50):


Andrew Hiller (16:51):

Good call.

Sevan Matossian (16:53):

Um, and, and is the grip all, is, is that bag doing any, any, any, uh, fatigue on the grip or it’s all, it’s all the, um, it’s all the toast to bar.

Andrew Hiller (17:04):

Well, both

Sevan Matossian (17:08):

20, 20 years old.

Andrew Hiller (17:11):

I, I think that like at that age and his size with his strength grip is something that, I mean, you’ve probably heard of old man’s strength. Right, right. And one of the biggest things is like their ability to like hold onto or squeeze or just use their arms in general. And I think there definitely is a correlation between age, your like sporting history and your forearm strength. And it’s very possible. Like you said, he looked like he had something left. And what Jr said is his forearms were shot. So like every bit of him could go, but he couldn’t hang on to the thing needed to go on this, this event. And when you do the sandbag clean, it’s an incredible amount of forearm strength too. It’s a lot of people don’t put that together, which is probably why the event was so cool in the first place.

Sevan Matossian (17:50):

Uh, excited to see Jack Farlow hit the complex 20 years old with the 400 pound clean. So you think the jerks gonna be his limitation

Andrew Hiller (18:00):


JR Howell (18:01):

Uh, I don’t know if he has any limitation at all. I would say no based on, I mean, it’s very different with the para let handstand pushup, but it is a very high demand tricep intensive shoulder, intensive movement for 45 reps. It does take into account a little bit more his body weight versus an external load. But I wouldn’t think that if he did that well on that workout, he’s gonna have a shaky jerk, but I don’t know.

Andrew Hiller (18:25):

You think it’s gonna be shaky based off that workout?

JR Howell (18:28):

I think it’s not going to be shaky. Not based on how we

Andrew Hiller (18:31):

Deal. Okay. You’re saying you can’t. Yeah, I was gonna agree. You can’t tie the two together.

Sevan Matossian (18:35):

Yeah. Uh, no Hiller. Didn’t say I have old man’s strength. I never had. What did you do? No, I never had a growth spurt. I don’t. And I never had old man strength. I, my fucking life got my parents fucking G me on both that I don’t have that in my gene pool. Sorry.

Andrew Hiller (18:48):

They can’t take old man’s strength from you. Look at you. They did tricking muscle

Sevan Matossian (18:52):

Up. I didn’t have a growth spurt either. I just, just like grew an inch every year until I was like 16 and stopped. <laugh> sucked. Did you guys, did they have Malibu grand Prix where you at, where you could drive those go-karts no, but you had to be four, four by the time I was four, four. I had my truck. You, I had my driver’s license. I was like, fuck

Andrew Hiller (19:11):

You guys.

Sevan Matossian (19:13):

Four, four.

Andrew Hiller (19:15):

You can go to a Malibu tree and drive them.

Sevan Matossian (19:18):

What is, uh, what is Koler? Um, what is the thank you Colton. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Well, you, you fucking don’t need old man strengths. So pipe down over there. I’m feeling sorry for my son

Andrew Hiller (19:29):

Got big ass forearms.

Sevan Matossian (19:31):

Oh, what is Koler telling Allison? Scuds what, what a great turnaround, right? They, they go to bed tonight. Can we see the leaderboard? The women? Um, Caleb. Um, what is Mr. Kotler telling SDS after that? Uh, good showing on the second workout.

Andrew Hiller (19:44):

Sivan picked you to take the podium and you’re nowhere near it. Get going.

Sevan Matossian (19:50):

Uh, they’re pumped, right? I mean, there’s hope if she’d have taken another 16th tonight sucks at the studs camp.

Andrew Hiller (19:56):

Uh she’s in seventh right now. Oh, wow. Um, that impressive coming outta heat too. It made everyone a heat too. Look like they didn’t belong. That’s for sure. Did you get that feeling at all? For sure. I got, I was like watching heat one and it’s like, all right, somebody over-programmed this for the men. And then on the feeling with event two, watching the females, it’s like Ellie scuds she’s in a different league. She, she belongs in the final heat.

Sevan Matossian (20:24):

Oh yes. Hillary a hundred percent. That’s what I was thinking.

Andrew Hiller (20:28):

I, I thought so. I, I knew it,

Sevan Matossian (20:31):

Uh, is, is, is, is this, um, so, so skuds is still in it. She can still climb up B top five. Doesn’t have to worry about the last chance qualifier. We don’t have to worry about her. What, what, what’s the, um, what’s fifth place. How many points does fifth place have? How close are we?

Andrew Hiller (20:44):

1 68. So

Sevan Matossian (20:45):

She’s, can you scroll a little bit Caleb for us? Nope. Other way. Thank you. Okay. Oh, so the, wow. Okay. So that’s not good. They’re already putting, they’re already pulling away. The top five are already pulling away. Studs cannot let more.

Andrew Hiller (20:59):

Oh, come

Sevan Matossian (20:59):

On. Hey dude. That’s a lot of that’s that’s uh, 20, 30, 30 points on after two events.

JR Howell (21:06):

Yeah, but the workouts tomorrow, the first one starts with 30 muscle ups. And then you got the barbell complex, which we know usually catapults people or kind of starts their descend on the leaderboard.

Sevan Matossian (21:19):

Um, what does this tell you about page powers? The fact that she took seventh in this first and the first one and seventh and the second one.

Andrew Hiller (21:28):

Oh, page powers. I don’t know all that much about her, but I do know that I’ve seen her doing muscles before and they don’t look so hot. So you should also worry about that workout coming up. I mean, it’s cuz you’re, she’s a younger athlete. I mean these younger athletes, especially in the female side, definitely on the female side, they’re gonna struggle on the muscle ups because they don’t, they haven’t had the time to accrue the upper body strength required to do the movement. So they end up just like tipping their way through it. And I think we kind of saw the catch and she’s never really done the work to get the upper body strength.

JR Howell (22:00):

Yeah. You know, for the, uh, through the first two workouts and we know she’s from mayhem, we know there are certain movements that you think of when you think of mayhem. Uh, Andrew’s done a lot of research into their program design. I mean that second workout looked like an interval workout. That was programmed probably yesterday five sets, 24 and 12 rest one to one. Like it’s like, it’s just very, looks very mayhem like that workout in general. And then they do a lot of pair, handstand pushups as well. So like Angelo said, uh, through these first two workouts, I’m not surprised at all to see her where she is

Andrew Hiller (22:35):

Much. You would’ve think she would’ve been higher on the second one based off that? No,

JR Howell (22:40):

Maybe so. Yeah. I mean they showed her a

Andrew Hiller (22:42):

Lot. I mean it’s good. Seventh. Isn’t bad.

JR Howell (22:44):

<laugh> yeah. I feel like they showed her a lot too early on. So I, I don’t really know what happened if she just started breaking into bigger se uh, smaller sets on the, to, to bar or if she slowed down on the sandbag, I think people kind of started to pull away from her and then I didn’t really see anything else. It kind of became the Emma Lawson show.

Andrew Hiller (23:00):

Yeah. We’ve gotta talk about my cousin a little bit more.

Sevan Matossian (23:03):

Who’s your cousin?

Andrew Hiller (23:04):

Ellie Hiller. Hiller.

Sevan Matossian (23:06):

Is she, is that really your cousin?

Andrew Hiller (23:08):

Yeah. You didn’t. I, I told you that didn didn’t listen about at all.

Sevan Matossian (23:12):

No, I didn’t listen at all.

Andrew Hiller (23:13):

It’s it’s not my cousin, but I’m gonna call her my cousin. Oh, I have no idea who this is, but she was in the first heat and uh, she’s in sixth after day one. After starting in the first heat.

Sevan Matossian (23:25):

Had you ever heard of her before?

Andrew Hiller (23:27):

Yeah. Not, not any longer than like the past year.

Sevan Matossian (23:31):

Bet you 10. I bet you 10 bucks. She doesn’t. I bet you 10 bucks. She doesn’t go.

Andrew Hiller (23:37):

All right. I be,

Sevan Matossian (23:38):

I bet you 10 bucks. She’s not about her, but I’ll I bet you 10 bucks. She’s not even in, she doesn’t even make the last chance qualifier.

Andrew Hiller (23:44):

Oh, I’ll take that one for sure. Okay. She’s in okay. 10 bucks. Okay. If you not heard what Jr said, if you’re good at one event, you’re good at every event this weekend, it’s like, you don’t listen.

Sevan Matossian (23:54):

Hey, uh it’s like I don’t listen. Um, go up to Emma Lawson. Let us look at Emma Lawson here. So that girl we were just looking at page powers is only 19. Emma Lawson is 17. We got Emma Carey down in Florida. We got Malo Bryan. Um, I is, we got Cindy MCON. She might even be old compared to these girls. Is, is Emma Lawson? Just like, are we not praising her enough? Is this just a freak show? We’re seeing a 17 year old girl who’s in first place after day one at the CrossFit semi-finals feels, I mean, did you look at her skin? She’s so young. She doesn’t even have pores. She looks like she’s made of fucking porcelain. I mean, she’s she looks like

Andrew Hiller (24:38):

Incredible. I agree. I was looking at her and it’s like from the Chi, from the neck up, she looks like what you’re describing from the like neck down. Yeah. You could like, she’s almost catching David’s daughter.

Sevan Matossian (24:49):

Yeah. Turn the TV off and RA rated movies coming on. Go to your room.

Andrew Hiller (24:53):

<laugh> that’s her, right? Like she can’t go see an rated movie.

Sevan Matossian (24:56):

Yeah. I mean, she’s literally, but, but out there I don’t send, but I mean her performance, you don’t see any of it.

Andrew Hiller (25:03):

No, she’s awesome.

Caleb Beaver (25:04):

Is this, is this her first like elite, female and individual competition too. She,

Andrew Hiller (25:09):

She freaking she’s she’s she won the division. Yeah. She won her division last year.

Caleb Beaver (25:13):

Yeah. And I think she, like, as soon as this season started, she’s like, I’m gonna go and individual. No, like without a doubt, we’re gonna see what we can, what we can do.

Sevan Matossian (25:21):

It’s what do you mean? Are you saying let’s be clear. You’re saying that last year she won the CrossFit games in the 16 year old division.

Andrew Hiller (25:27):

I triple checking that. Yeah, she did. She had 825 points and the next closest had seven 80, which isn’t that big of a gap, which makes this even more impressive.

Caleb Beaver (25:36):

Yeah. It’s impressive. She’s been able to make the jump within a year, which I mean, maybe it,

Andrew Hiller (25:40):

So like last year we had Emma car Maow Obrien not go in that division where they could have, because they were still of the ages. She went won it. And this is what she’s doing this year.

Sevan Matossian (25:50):

She’s Canadian, zero skin pigment. Understood. Now I won’t judge her for her zero ski pigment or men who wanna wear. I don’t give a fuck what you wear actually <laugh> um, as long as your cocking balls are comfortable, it’s on you. Uh, Jr. Jr. Do you, do you think she’s too young? Do you like this path she’s taking at 17 already getting in the mix?

JR Howell (26:13):

Yeah. I mean, she clearly made the right call of, uh, not going for the teen division this year. Seems like she’s definitely ready. Was she ninth or 10th at one of the major off season comps? Was it wa ALZA okay. That’s what I thought. So, yeah. I mean, you know, we talked yesterday about maybe this not being the strongest semifinal field and how it, there were tons of backfills to get us here, but Freya we know is really good. You know, there’s still some heavy, he hitters in the field and she looks really impressive.

Andrew Hiller (26:45):

So the last time that she competed on the same field with Emma, Cara ma O’Brien Emma took first, Emma, Emma Carey took first, Emma Lawson took third and mal took fifth. This is in 2019. They were all 15 <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (27:00):


JR Howell (27:01):

I think she was in the virtual Atlas games last year. What did she finish at Atlas last year online?

Andrew Hiller (27:07):

Um, on it I’m checking.

Sevan Matossian (27:10):

Um, Jennifer, uh, Nicole is saying she competed Dubai last winter in the RX ladies. Oh, is, is this girl strong too?

Andrew Hiller (27:20):

We’re gonna find out tomorrow. I don’t think she she’s. She’s uh, if my mind reminders, I think she’s gonna hit about a 2 10, 2 15 on that complex, which is pretty strong.

Sevan Matossian (27:31):

How’s how’s her movement guys. Have you seen any flailing, anything weird in her muscle up? Have you have any criticism of her?

Andrew Hiller (27:38):

Absolutely. Nothing. Not so far. It looks awesome. Looks about as good as it can get. Especially the, uh, the parallel handstand pushups for her looked awesome. She was able to hang on to pretty large sets on that

Sevan Matossian (27:49):

And she’s uh, she’s proportion too. You know, we were talking about page powers. Looks like her back’s as big as Iowa. This one looks a little more like streamline. How tall is she? She tall.

Andrew Hiller (28:01):

Uh, one second. I’m now checking Atlas games.

JR Howell (28:04):

Chad says she was nine last year in the semi-final field. So, and that was a

Andrew Hiller (28:09):

Really, she was

Caleb Beaver (28:10):

She’s 5, 5, 1 40

Sevan Matossian (28:12):

Crazy. So it’s a perfect size. It’s a perfect size female. CrossFitter right.

Andrew Hiller (28:16):

She’s she’s strong. <laugh> at least she’s a good snatcher cuz uh, she got 46 reps on that snatch letter that the masters did this year and those have some heavy snatches at the end.

Sevan Matossian (28:26):

Scroll down. Let’s see if we can find out what she did before I wanna.

Andrew Hiller (28:30):

And that’s when she was 16.

Sevan Matossian (28:31):

Oh, training. Uh, and do we know what her training program is? Did we say that

Caleb Beaver (28:35):

Mammoth training methods

Sevan Matossian (28:37):

Click on that. Let’s see who that is. You heard of them Jr. Hiller.

Andrew Hiller (28:44):

Mammoth. Did you click on it? What is it? What

Caleb Beaver (28:47):

Did it it’s page not available

Andrew Hiller (28:50):

<laugh> oh, okay. You clicked off like immediately

Caleb Beaver (28:53):

<laugh> well, I was trying to switch tabs,

Sevan Matossian (28:55):

Uh, four underdog athletics athletes have qualified already. And the hope here is that skuds will be number five. Um, man, that’s the real deal over there. I, I feel like Koler has like a, um, is like the Metallica, like it’s, it’s it’s this really, you know, it’s the Motley crew, you know, it’s the,

Andrew Hiller (29:17):

What are you, what are you trying to get at?

Sevan Matossian (29:19):

It’s quite the mix. I mean, I think that each of the camps I feel have their own. I mean, you, you have this, when I think of, uh, Ben Bergron I think of like these people who shower three times a day, like Cole ser, um, Chandler Smith and catch and they just, and, and Amanda Barnard, they all like have this cleanliness to them. You know what I mean? Like this veneer of Polish. And when I think of Kotler’s group, I think of ’em as more like a rag tag crew, like they’re the orphans, they’re the fighters. Like they like, like all those people have a pocket knife in their bag and get stopped at the airport. You know what I mean? They have cigarettes still in their bag when they used to smoke. Like that’s how I think of Kotler’s crew. No,

Andrew Hiller (29:54):

I, I, I, I, I needed to disconnect from Emma Lawson for a minute. Cuz then you were saying.

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