#445 | Strength in Depth & Atlas Games Pt. 1

Andrew Hiller (00:00):

That muscle up. Oh my God,

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam. We’re live. We’re early. We do whatever we want.

Andrew Hiller (00:05):

We can do what we want.

Sevan Matossian (00:09):

Oh man. It’s just stupidity everywhere. I’m surrounded by stupidity.

Andrew Hiller (00:16):

Why do you,

Sevan Matossian (00:16):

The guy in my DMS was trying to draw some comparisons between the Netherlands and the United States. I’m like, dude, your country is 16,000 square miles. <laugh> my shit that I took this morning has traveled further than that. To make it to the fucking shit plant in a country that’s 33.7 million square miles. You jerk off

Andrew Hiller (00:38):

Jackass drag as

Sevan Matossian (00:40):

I’ve been watching the thorn commercial. And they’re like you, the good thing about thorn is is that when you read the ingredients that’s what’s in there. Yeah. That’s what everyone tells you. You’re telling me nothing. I’m surrounded by morons. And, and then, and then these CrossFiters, they’re just so fucking stupid. We are in a herd of morons.

Andrew Hiller (00:59):


Sevan Matossian (01:00):

Yeah, no people who do the martial arts are martial arts. Aren’t like, I’m a UFC fighter. Stop CrossFit is a lifestyle. Stop acting like it’s a sport. And you’re all athletes. It’s a lifestyle. It’s about making yourself better and being a great role model, an example for all the people in all society. It’s not a sport it’s and you’re not a all bunch of damn athletes. Only couple. You are all the martial artists says, Nope, martial artists never confused. The two, no one in my kids. Dojo’s like, yeah, I’m a UFC fighter. They don’t even wear the UFC shit. They’re Marshall artist. You, and that’s a lifestyle that makes you better, everyone around you better. And that’s what CrossFit is. And there’s this one little piece. That’s the sport, not the

Andrew Hiller (01:48):


Sevan Matossian (01:49):

And I just listen to these commentators talk and I’m just like, you’re so you’re so confused. You’re ruining it. You’re ruining it. It’s a beautiful, beautiful thing. And you’re ruining it. You’re bringing a superficiality to it that I think only Danielle, Brandon should bring to it. Got her post was good.

Andrew Hiller (02:09):

Which one?

Sevan Matossian (02:10):

Just the one where she’s in a bathing suit. And she says, there’s two kinds of girls. I’m both of them.

Andrew Hiller (02:17):


Sevan Matossian (02:20):

I think I, whoever does her writing for her she’s genius.

Andrew Hiller (02:24):

I wanna say it’s probably her.

Taylor Self (02:26):

Yeah. It’s probably why you think it’s genius.

Andrew Hiller (02:28):


Sevan Matossian (02:28):

Just listen guys. You’re just all, it’s a lifestyle. We live it. And it’s the kind of thing that makes us a better person. It’s the kind of thing. Like after you go to the gym, you’re more likely to stop and help someone who drops their groceries on the side of the road or something, or you help your neighbor do stuff because you CrossFit cuz you can shut it Hiller.

Andrew Hiller (02:48):

You’re more likely to walk in lung your way over there. Cuz you’re an athlete. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (02:55):

I fell asleep today during the, the, the event and I opened my eyes. My mom was sitting on my couch next to me.

Taylor Self (03:02):

I saw wad zombie’s remake, Danielle Brandon’s post and thought it was funny.

Sevan Matossian (03:06):

Oh, how did he remake it? What did he do?

Taylor Self (03:08):

She just put the video. And then as soon as she turns around and like shows her sticks, her butt out, the Jesus thing comes up and he’s like,

Andrew Hiller (03:17):

That’s good. I was honestly wondering how long was that take for you to bring that up? <laugh> I knew it would be as soon as you could. I saw it and I go like, oh, it’ll be like no more than three minutes. And it was within the three minutes.

Sevan Matossian (03:30):

<laugh> who, who? Me or Taylor

Andrew Hiller (03:33):

Jr. Actually

Sevan Matossian (03:34):

Jr. Yes.

Andrew Hiller (03:35):

I said a feeling he was gonna bring it

Sevan Matossian (03:36):

Up Jr. Sent me over his notes that says Dan it’s just Danielle, Brandon, Danielle, Brandon, Danielle, Brandon. Um, let’s talk about just something about the, the setups that these things what’s going on with the pull-up bars here, um, have, have any adjustments been made? So, so we had the, we had the rope debacle over, uh, with Scott pan and they made the changes necessary to make it a safer event. Correct. And we are, are the, um, the

Taylor Self (04:05):

Following week, the following week they made the changes necessary.

Sevan Matossian (04:08):

Yeah. The following week. And so that shows on that shows at least they’re capable of making the changes. Right. We actually, someone reported to us that they actually cut those ropes and they showed us the smidgens that were left on the ground smidge. And, and I think that it was very clear. Um, last week, uh, the argument was, was potent that there is an injury waiting to happen, a broken ankle, um, some sort of severe back injury of someone like Degos is doing butterflies and, and they hit their, uh, feet on the ground. Were there any changes made this week to that?

Andrew Hiller (04:39):

No. No. There were not.

Sevan Matossian (04:41):

Go ahead.

Taylor Self (04:42):

I was just gonna say according to some people, there’s nothing objective. There’s no objective height we’ve been given on the pull up bars, but there are some people saying they feel lower. They feel short

Andrew Hiller (04:51):


Sevan Matossian (04:53):

Okay. I, someone did send me a picture of one of the athletes holding the pullup bar and he’s, and he’s standing flatfooted on the ground.

Taylor Self (05:00):

And I would assume he is probably not as tall as Matt Lugo’s. He probably ain’t six, four. There’s not very many six, four guys at time

Andrew Hiller (05:06):

We know his name. Can we reach out to him?

Taylor Self (05:08):

Isn’t it, uh, Devi O’Neal

Sevan Matossian (05:12):

I honestly have no idea who it is. And I heard that the rings were a little bit higher. Is that normal? I heard that the rings at, um, strength and depth were, uh, at 94 and a half inches. Um, oh, sorry. Jam. So the rings, so, so there isn’t. Wow. That’s interesting. Is it

Taylor Self (05:33):


Sevan Matossian (05:33):

So what I read from my report

Andrew Hiller (05:35):

Dub Dubay

Sevan Matossian (05:36):

Is that there’s not a standard height across all of the, um, regionals for the bars, what I’m seeing here in my report. And, and I probably need it verified that in London, the ring in the bar height is 94 and a half inches in north America. The bar is at 92 and the rings are at 96. And so at this point it has nothing to do with fairness.

Andrew Hiller (06:04):

That’s not standardized across the events

Sevan Matossian (06:06):

You’re saying.

Andrew Hiller (06:07):

Right? Right.

Taylor Self (06:07):

Well, it looks like the pull up bars are 92 inches, which is what they wear at granite games. They are that

Sevan Matossian (06:13):

Games in north America.

Taylor Self (06:15):

Yeah. They’re 92 inch pullup bars, the rings, the rings. I don’t know, but I guess all the pull bars are 92 inches and they’re not making an adjustment.

Andrew Hiller (06:22):

I’ve heard that’s because it’s a structural thing with the integrity of the rig. If they were to move it, all of a sudden there’s a series of things that need to happen. Like for like insurance reasons,

Taylor Self (06:32):

They would need extra bolts. So if you look at a, a pullup bars mounted to a rig, there’s a rig post and then another pullup bar on the other side of it, they typically just put two bolts in. And that goes on this side of the pullup bar. And the nut goes on the other side of the other pullup bar. So if they were to lower one, they would just need an additional bolt in nut and maybe they don’t have those. Does that make sense,

Sevan Matossian (06:51):

John? John Young saying exactly what I was thinking too. Um, you could, you could at least do one or two like that or alternate them or something. Yeah,

Taylor Self (06:58):

Yeah. It, but they would need to plan for that in event in advance, I think is what they’re saying. And they didn’t account for that in advance. And so they can’t change the height

Andrew Hiller (07:06):

Taylor with what you’re saying, why don’t they just make the entire series of bars higher all the way

Taylor Self (07:10):

Across. They could 100% do that.

Andrew Hiller (07:13):

And I think that’s what sevans saying too. If they’re taller over in Europe, they could be the same height here.

Sevan Matossian (07:18):

It’s almost like they’re waiting for someone to get injured. I

Andrew Hiller (07:23):

Just, that

Sevan Matossian (07:24):

I lost complete respect for the games this year. It is the absolutely abysmal execution.

Taylor Self (07:30):

Well, it’s the classic thing. And I feel like to some degree in years past they’ve done, this is when they have a mistake. It’s like, uh, they, uh, Hmm. Not anyone that I know of, at least in terms of naming names, but a mistake happens and they’re just stubborn and hardheaded about it. I’m like, fuck it. We’re gonna roll with this mistake. We’re not gonna fix it immediately. Or we’re not gonna call it out immediately or we’re not gonna own up to it at least

Sevan Matossian (07:56):


Andrew Hiller (07:56):

That group chat. And then that thing from Kowski

Sevan Matossian (07:59):

And, and, and, and here’s this also the ex the excuse that it, well, it’s like this every year, like, like, like you don’t like, like for some reason we are not like, I’m trying to blame Justin and not Dave, that that’s even a worse, excuse. That’s even a worse excuse. It’s like this every year that does that, that doesn’t make me feel better. That makes me think you’re even more of a jackass. Oh, it’s just highlighted this year. So what, so what that, first of all, that’s not true, but so what, okay. Uh, I got this note, um, I don’t know where it’s posted, but, uh, OWK wrote it somewhere. It looks like it’s public. It says VI Kowski, it’s a blue check mark. So I, I presume him.

Taylor Self (08:40):

That’s a comment.

Sevan Matossian (08:41):

It says very frustrating that my, myself and the P a what, what does that stand for?

Taylor Self (08:46):

Professional fitness athletes

Sevan Matossian (08:48):

Association reached out to every semifinal on May 10th. That’s, uh, exactly a month ago, providing them customized info on their tallest shortest athletes. What height bars rings. They required the data showed that a high setup for the tallest athletes and the option of a six or 12 inch riser for Colton Mertons and other such athletes. I, I made that up. The part where he names Colton, then at Atlas, they got to visually see those same athletes, be unable to hang from the bar and they still stuck with 92 inches. And then he put the emoji with the handovers face

Andrew Hiller (09:24):

A month ago.

Sevan Matossian (09:25):

Yeah. He’s not asking for a lot.

Andrew Hiller (09:28):

He was, uh, doing what I made a video on, which was, understand who your tallest athlete is, or maybe just is in general, like this way it looks like it would be Degos it’s six foot four. And you try to like reverse engineer the height for somebody like that. And then say, everyone else, Hey, you want a six or 12 inch rise? It looks like a month ago. They did in advance what I suggested and Hey,

Sevan Matossian (09:53):


Taylor Self (09:55):

Oh, hi.

Andrew Hiller (09:58):


Taylor Self (09:58):

It. That comment from Kowski is pretty having that information I think is pretty huge about everything that’s going on right now. That’s fucking ridiculous that they got all that information in advance and still chose to do nothing about it.

Sevan Matossian (10:12):

That’s you sent the wrong people to the, to the, to the quarter finals, to the semifinals. You have no judging, there’s no standards. You got ropes that are too long. You took out one of the greatest athletes, the sports ever seen. And now we’re in the, in the, in the fourth week of the semifinals and you can’t get the pullup bars, right? You, you know, that’s a, okay,

Andrew Hiller (10:32):

Keep going. Don’t stop.

Sevan Matossian (10:35):

It’s just a shame people,

Andrew Hiller (10:36):

What they

Sevan Matossian (10:36):

Want. It’s just a shame. It’s a, it’s a shame, shame, shame, shame, shame. Just it’s simple stuff. It’s simple. It’s so simple. The thing is this, too. If it was just, if you just came over to my house and we were gonna do a comp in my backyard, we would deal with what I have. But, but there’s people who their job is just to set up the comp uh, competition to accommodate these athletes. They’re, you’re, we’re not gonna have a professional sport. If the PE, if the athletes aren’t being set to compete in a, in a professional environment, the whole thing is just a joke. It’s a joke. And, and, and, and I, I believe that it’s especially bad this year, atrocious a complete shit show an embarrassment. Disgusting. Well there’s,

Taylor Self (11:19):

Yeah. There’s two instances where you’ve gotten feedback from people who are so established in the sport, um, veteran athletes that not only are, gosh, they’re just like household names for, for people who barely know CrossFit and Brent Kowski and Scott, and you just don’t take the feedback and, and take action on it.

Sevan Matossian (11:40):


Andrew Hiller (11:41):

There’s something that I wanna,

Sevan Matossian (11:42):

The good news is this, that Adrian Conway, it was nice to see Adrian Conway doing the commenting. It’s always nice having a gay black man in the booth. So I, I did appreciate that. What were you gonna say, Adrian?

Andrew Hiller (11:51):

Adrian is Adrian gay.

Sevan Matossian (11:53):

No, I just don’t ruin my story though. I just thought it would be funny if I just dropped it in there. Like, just

Andrew Hiller (11:57):

So say, uh, he says he to be like, wait

Sevan Matossian (11:59):

A minute. <laugh> and I didn’t

Andrew Hiller (12:00):

Think, I didn’t, I don’t know if he is.

Taylor Self (12:02):

I’m pretty sure he has a wife and a baby.

Sevan Matossian (12:03):


Andrew Hiller (12:04):

I’m pretty sure he does.

Sevan Matossian (12:05):

Hey, so,

Andrew Hiller (12:06):

So, okay, cool. Either way, Mr. Shirt, but anyway, Mr. Shirt, for sure. <laugh> uh, I, what the hell was I gonna say, everyone keeps on talking about, Hey, if Castro’s gonna fix this right. Castro’s back. But he has nothing to do with this anymore. Correct.

Sevan Matossian (12:21):


Andrew Hiller (12:22):

So is he gonna fix it? I don’t think so. And then made the video talk. Everyone wants to cash for video. So I made one, but I didn’t say anything. Cause I’m was pretty sure that he didn’t have anything to do with the games. It hasn’t changed my mind since

Taylor Self (12:35):

It’s. So I, I know that that’s what everyone’s saying, but it’s so hard to believe that you have people like Adrian Bosman and Lucas Sepata and Todd Whitman and all these guys working in the games area who have followed date for years, that they wouldn’t even fucking reach out to him and ask him things like even outside of work. And if they’re, I don’t know. I mean, maybe they have, you know, have signed, you know, legal documents.

Sevan Matossian (12:58):

You, you, you you’re at you’re, you’re being logical to it. It’s not like that. It’s a complete shit show terror factory. It’s a horror factory over there. Everyone is scared. It’s the most political machine you’ve ever seen. It’s been like that for the last two years. It is really bad. Taylor. It is a complete fucking disaster. Everyone is terrified. No one wants to speak up. The soul of the company has been is, is, is wounded. Ask any of the, uh, um, uh, event directors, probably what it’s like dealing with HQ right now. It’s, it’s a, it’s a shell of a fucking company. And, um, anyway, and, and they’re never gonna, and you know, the thing is this. And I woke up a little bit on the wrong side of the bed this morning, but I just started realizing if you’re gonna bring Dave Castro back and you’re not gonna have him run the games and fuck you. It’s a complete fuck mockery. Yeah. The whole thing is absurd and a joke. Now I just realized that I go, what am I doing?

Andrew Hiller (13:48):

You just realized that just

Sevan Matossian (13:49):

Now I just, yeah. I just realized this morning and I’m like, wait, what are you doing? It’s the, it’s the guy it’s one of the greatest.

JR Howell (13:56):

Do you think he had a choice or do

Sevan Matossian (13:57):

You think he had no. No. I don’t think he had a choice at all. I don’t know. I don’t know that for, he gave him

Andrew Hiller (14:01):

Million dollars and he couldn’t turn it down.

Sevan Matossian (14:03):

I’m just, I’m just speculating. But I don’t think he had a choice, but to bring him back and not immediately put him into the game. I mean, he used to run the training department with Nicole and the games,

Andrew Hiller (14:13):

But here’s a deal. He want

JR Howell (14:13):

It. What if, what if he said, I don’t

Sevan Matossian (14:15):

Want that at all. And, and that could be it. And that could be it. That could be it. Then they should have told him the fuck off.

Taylor Self (14:20):

I find that hard to believe. I find it more to believe that they came me with an offer and he’s thinking, man, I wanna do everything that I fucking possibly can to help save things. Cause that’s the type of person Dave strikes me as is he strikes me as somebody who probably can put his ego on the back seat and be like, if I don’t go in, they’re gonna be so much worse off than if I do take a step in.

Sevan Matossian (14:38):

Hold on. I wanna know what are you laughing at?

Mattew Souza (14:41):

I, I, sorry, I’m the office. So my mic’s kind of ghetto. I just, I have, uh, opinions on what you guys are talking about and I’m just, I’m laughing

Andrew Hiller (14:50):


Sevan Matossian (14:50):

Opinions. Let’s hear one of ’em. Let’s hear one of them. I don’t know if I can share them publicly. <laugh> all right. You’re a good dude. Um, uh, can we pull up the, the women, um, you guys were absolutely right yesterday when you schooled me and told me that the most interesting would be the men at the, um, Atlas games, that final heat of everything that I saw today, I watched three events, both men and women, uh, two at strength and depth. And then this final with the men, it was the most enjoyable in my, I, I haven’t been stimulated by any of the workouts. I haven’t been ex I agree. I haven’t been excited by any of the workouts yet. I’m not, I haven’t watched anything. I guess I did, like at the end there, when that one guy put it to Vener, even though I love Vener. Um, but, but is there something about these workouts that I’m, that, you know, Dave, Dave used to say that about the games, Hey guys, there have to be some workouts that just aren’t exciting. We have to test this.

Taylor Self (15:45):

I will say one thing I just wanna preface when we talk about Atlas that so far, um, young Jack has kind of stamped on my, my bullshit doubts that I had in him. I, I didn’t think he would do well in the para handstand pushup workout that kid, or is it Jack Farlow? Jack Farlow. Yep. Yeah. Cause we were, we were talking about it on a show maybe last week and he commented. He said, we’ll see, <laugh> ha good for him. That’s good. Yeah, he did really well on that workout a fourth place on that workout as strong as he is, is great.

Sevan Matossian (16:17):

Okay. Let’s start over at strength in depth. Let’s knock that out. And then we’ll come over to, uh, Atlas games where we still have one more event left today. I don’t have the time with me, but I think it’s like in about an hour and I did send a link over to, uh, on hello and Mr. Fring.

Taylor Self (16:35):

I sent a link to Sam Briggs. We’ve been talking a little bit.

Sevan Matossian (16:38):

Oh, dang. All right. Um,

JR Howell (16:42):

You know, if it, one at, at strength and depth is very similar to triple threes at the games and it regionals, you’re not gonna be very stimulated watching it, but if you’re testing overall fitness, it’s probably a good thing to go long with mono structural movements. I mean, you had running stationary, rowing stationary, jumping stationary, running stationary. It’s not gonna be super exciting, but it’s definitely needed.

Taylor Self (17:05):

Absolutely. I

Sevan Matossian (17:06):

Agree. And, and, and no shocks in the placement here.

JR Howell (17:11):

I was a little bit shocked with, uh, with who day on both. Oh yeah. On both workouts actually, but especially,

Taylor Self (17:17):

I wasn’t shocked. You were shocked

Sevan Matossian (17:19):

With them. It’s men it’s they switch to men Suza. They switch to men.

Taylor Self (17:24):

The thing about who day that I would like to touch on quickly is he is so strong and has such beautiful technical movement with barbell. And he has such same thing on his gymnastics, his efficiency and his skills are so good, unfortunately. And it seemed to be the case last year as well.

Sevan Matossian (17:41):

Where is he?

JR Howell (17:42):


Sevan Matossian (17:43):

14th. Oh, sorry.

Taylor Self (17:45):

His, his motor is garbage to put it lightly and I hope he, he hears it. I hope he hears it, dude. Yeah. Yeah. You can’t take a 19th and that, in my opinion, if you take a 19th in that event, um, that’s just all motor. That workout is all engine and

Sevan Matossian (18:04):

Hey, is that, is that a 74th at granite games? <laugh>

Taylor Self (18:10):

Yeah, that’s not that’s yeah, it’s not

Andrew Hiller (18:12):

Good. No, I actually think the field is pretty tight here.

Taylor Self (18:15):

The field is great. I just think that taking a 19th in a purely aerobic test is not great as someone who wants to be good at the games, if you wanted to do well at the games, he could still qualify. We’ve seen that people have taken really bad finishes and still qualifying, but all of CrossFit workouts and aerobic tests are gonna require a big motor. Not all events are gonna require a ton of strength. So if he goes to the games, he goes to the games, he wins a couple strength events takes last on a couple of the long aerobic tests, but still the middle CrossFit portions, he’s gonna suffer a bit on because his engine’s just not that great. And maybe he, maybe it’s

Andrew Hiller (18:55):

Not that the games echoes that too.

Taylor Self (18:56):

Exactly. Yep. I mean, did,

Andrew Hiller (18:59):

Did you look at his events? I think other than the lift, his only other top 10 finish was the sprint.

Taylor Self (19:04):

Yeah. And he’s a, he’s a bigger athletic dude. The guy is a freaking athlete. So that doesn’t surprise me at all. Um, similar to GE at least GE in your past GI Iman, me’s very strong, technical, efficient lack of motor.

Sevan Matossian (19:19):


JR Howell (19:19):

And I would say, I would say, you know, before we ride him off too, tomorrow’s gonna be a big shifting day in that competition specifically because you have the lift to probably offset some of what happened on this long aerobic test.

Taylor Self (19:31):

So I’m

JR Howell (19:32):

Just tomorrow, you’ll probably see some, some pretty drastic changes to what it looks like here.

Taylor Self (19:38):

We thought we for sure will. I don’t think he’s out of it. I’m not saying he’s out of it at all. I’m just saying, as someone, at least I follow him on Instagram and he works freaking hard. And as someone who has the standards as high as he does, um, and who knows, maybe he needed this to see or to become more aware of his engine, but he needs to work on his engine.

Sevan Matossian (19:59):

Uh, were you trying to say that this is a good field of athletes relative to the, um, to the, to the other, the other groups? Is that what you were trying to say, Taylor? Hey,

Taylor Self (20:10):

Um, I don’t know that it is as competitive as all of the north American semifinals, but it’s close to a few of them. I mean, you have guys like Willie Georges, Elliot Simmons, a lot of games, athletes, yo Koski, I think in the middle, you have some guys that are pretty good, but towards the bottom, there’s definitely gonna be some drop off, but it’s not anything like south America or Asia or Africa, like it’s a good field. It’s a good field.

JR Howell (20:36):

Yeah. I mean, you’ve got three athletes in the top 18 of the game last year. So just last year, you know, there’s some, there’s some strength at the top and we’ll have to wait and see how deep it is

Sevan Matossian (20:45):

Or who are, who are those athletes only name I recognize is Henrick. Uh,

JR Howell (20:49):

Johnny cost was sixth. Juday was 15th and hyperly was 18.

Sevan Matossian (20:54):

And then, oh, and I think car

JR Howell (20:56):

Car was in the thirties.

Taylor Self (20:57):

Okay. You also have George car and then you add in Willie, Georges. Who’s healthy now, presumably. Right. Um, so if it, I mean the European semifinals are never anything to scoff at Zach. George is back from inter injury. Um, Reggie Fassa was it waap, PZA, he’s pretty good at some things. So he’s pretty average at most things.

JR Howell (21:18):

Brian cat has been someone who’s been knocking on the door for a while too. So

Sevan Matossian (21:24):

Angela, did you watch any of the, any of the events today?

Angelo DiCicco (21:28):

Yeah, I tried to watch, um, I tried to watch the ones in south America. Um, and

Sevan Matossian (21:33):

Are you laughing at Angelo’s look at hill dude.

Taylor Self (21:36):

Yeah. What is it looks like he was drinking a S slurpy. Is that ay dude. Are you, what are you drinking? How do you curl those things up, man? Fuck the surpy

Angelo DiCicco (21:43):

<laugh> I’m drinking a, uh, Ross and from Chick-fil-A that

Taylor Self (21:48):

Is a Slurpee and

Sevan Matossian (21:50):

These Cookville guys justify anything from Chick-fil-A cuz they think it comes from the heavens. They just, they

Taylor Self (21:55):

It’s cause they’re clothes on Sunday.

Angelo DiCicco (21:58):

And then, uh, the mustache is a wax that Luke just bought.

JR Howell (22:02):

Wow, it’s nice.

Angelo DiCicco (22:04):

And there, there there’s the whole look.

Taylor Self (22:06):

Oh wow.

Sevan Matossian (22:07):

Angela wakes up in the morning, makes a cup of coffee and walks over to Luke’s house and puts in his mustache wax. That’s a good mustache. That’s

Taylor Self (22:14):

A good mustache.

Sevan Matossian (22:16):

Uh, who are you watching? Who in the mayhem empire. Um, should we be watching? I, we saw Paige, um, win an event.

Angelo DiCicco (22:23):

Yeah, Paige did great. She smashed that event. Um, and then GE um, I think by the looks of it, I think GE can win all the events. I mean, for today’s event, him winning the running swim. He’s a good swimmer. No doubt. But his running has gone has gotten a lot better in the last year with him being with us. For sure.

Sevan Matossian (22:41):

So, oh, get outta here.

Angelo DiCicco (22:43):


Sevan Matossian (22:44):


Angelo DiCicco (22:46):

He’s a good runner now. I mean he’s a lot better. He’s runs. He runs a lot.

Taylor Self (22:49):

What, how, how would you have placed it that in that waap polo workout in that field, do you think?

Angelo DiCicco (22:54):

Oh, maybe top 10. I don’t. I mean, that was, that was a pretty tough field for

Taylor Self (23:00):

That’s. That’s good. Yeah. I feel like top 10 is good. That’s a lot of improvement for him.

Angelo DiCicco (23:03):

Yeah, for sure. He runs like, he really runs a lot. He, I hardly ever see him lift now. I mean, cuz he just doesn’t need to, I can’t wait to watch through the barbell complex though.

Sevan Matossian (23:13):

Oh and, and where does he run? He, he runs like he’s at the barn and there’s, there’s a, a, a outdoor trail. There’s a, a single track or something. You guys run there?

Angelo DiCicco (23:21):

Uh, yeah. Or he’ll he runs the driveway a lot or he’ll run on the AirRunner.

Sevan Matossian (23:27):

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. A lot of

Angelo DiCicco (23:28):

Air runner run runs.

Sevan Matossian (23:31):

Um, and, and you’re not just saying that you think we’re gonna see something at the games because that’s the big mystery with him. Right. And more specifically it’s endurance. It’s longer time domains, right?

Angelo DiCicco (23:42):

Yeah, for sure. Um, I mean he’s, to, to me, he seems very overall, really well rounded and a lot better athlete than he was last year, especially with his running in his longer event. So I think he’s gonna be a totally different athlete this year, but I, I could be totally wrong. I think he’s grown a lot. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (24:01):

No, man,

Andrew Hiller (24:02):

I don’t think you’re gonna be wrong. I think he’s in a push fill tune

Angelo DiCicco (24:05):

That cut out

Sevan Matossian (24:07):

That cut out. No, I’m just wondering, I can’t tell how much, you know, and how much is home cooking? I can’t tell how much is proximity. I can’t tell how much is proximity bias and, and, and love of, of mayhem, empire love. Um, or, uh, did you watch

Andrew Hiller (24:21):

Event once

Sevan Matossian (24:22):

Over there? No, I didn’t watch it. I didn’t watch it.

Andrew Hiller (24:24):

He he’s impressive.

Sevan Matossian (24:25):


Andrew Hiller (24:26):

Oh yeah.

Sevan Matossian (24:28):

Um, he needs to win every event there. Angela. I don’t mean to put pressure on him. He needs to win every event.

Angelo DiCicco (24:35):

Yeah. I, and I think he can. Um, but I don’t think, and I don’t think it’s just bias because I see him train all the time. When you think about the guys he trains against like, uh, Tyler and Luke and rich and uh, Sam, you think about those guys and he’s training with him and he’s either keeping up with them or beating them, uh, day in and day out. So I, um, I mean, compared to those guys that feels like the CrossFit games every single day, you know, we have,

Sevan Matossian (25:00):

I’m a believer when you say like that

Taylor Self (25:03):

Are rich and Luke and Sam. Good

Angelo DiCicco (25:04):

Runners though, individual Sam is a great runner. Luke’s Sam and Luke are great runners. Rich is, I mean, he is, he thinks he’s not good at running, but he’s a lot better than he acts like, because bull running workout and he ends up hanging or beating most of us, especially if it’s paired with literally anything, he ends up beating all of us.

Andrew Hiller (25:23):

Does he ever run a Dre straw?

Angelo DiCicco (25:26):

No. No. Dre’s actually put the running on the back burner a little bit, but uh,

Sevan Matossian (25:31):

I’m sure he, me too. Me too. I only use the runner in reverse. Um, can you bring SU can you bring up the scoreboard? The, the, and, and I wanna see where page powers is. I wanna ask, uh, first place, Angela first,

Angelo DiCicco (25:47):

She’s only done one of that.

Sevan Matossian (25:48):

Where is she at? I think

Taylor Self (25:51):

She crushed that. Can we talk about last week? I, I mentioned how I thought Paige powers was gonna do really well.

Angelo DiCicco (25:57):

<laugh> yeah. We talked about her a

Andrew Hiller (25:58):

Lot. Last time you did. Hey, look, there’s my cousin.

Taylor Self (26:00):

I, but to be honest, I wasn’t sure that she would do really well in this event. So that is telling, I mean, that’s a great, I also wanna mention, what do you guys think about the discrepancy or the scale between the men’s deficit and the female deficit? Holy

Andrew Hiller (26:18):

Father. No ridiculous. It’s terribly.

Angelo DiCicco (26:19):

Like, it looked like what? 12 and six, maybe

Taylor Self (26:21):

It looked like 12 and four. It was, it was crazy. I

Andrew Hiller (26:25):

Was talking to one of the athletes and she said it was the, about the size of an iPhone. And it was,

Sevan Matossian (26:31):

Can you look that up,

Andrew Hiller (26:31):


Taylor Self (26:33):

Who was the depth of an iPhone? Wow.

Sevan Matossian (26:35):

Why you’re saying, you’re saying that they should be closer. You’re saying that they should be closer. Aren’t mention it

Angelo DiCicco (26:40):

Probably should probably be 12 and eight.

Taylor Self (26:42):

Yeah. The female deficit have it looked like it should have been deeper. They were fucking for ING them out.

Angelo DiCicco (26:46):

Well, we talked about this the other day that like, um, I know more girls who are better at deficits and pushups than guys. Wow. So why was yeah. Yeah. I feel like, I mean, I mean, I do understand the reasoning, but girls it’s pressing strength. Like a handstand push is not the same as like a barbell press. It’s pressing strength relative to your body weight, you know?

Sevan Matossian (27:08):

So it’s not, I don’t know. I don’t even think it’s strength. Is it strength Angelo or is it height? It’s height, Uhhuh.

Taylor Self (27:15):

Uh, it’s not height. I think height a lot height. Sure. But, but arm length, I think also on, especially on a parallel tipping, handstand pushup is you can use so much hip acceleration because not only are you using your hips to hip, but you’re gripping the paras and you control your body weight a little more, you just use more hip power.

Sevan Matossian (27:32):

Men have larger heads and they’re, and they’re taller. And I bet you they’re more than I wonder what the average height is of a man in the average height of a woman, and then divide it by two. Right? What, because you’re talking about arm length, you’re talking about arm length, then there’s two arms. So if the average man in the United States is six inches taller than a woman,

Taylor Self (27:49):

But you’re missing the torso or, or, or no. Right?

Andrew Hiller (27:51):

The winds a wings spin.

Sevan Matossian (27:52):

<laugh>. That’s what I mean. That’s what I mean wings. And so they, wings

Angelo DiCicco (27:56):

Is usually pretty close to height.

Sevan Matossian (27:58):

Right? And so, so you can just use height. That’s what I’m saying. And then divide it by two, since it’s it’s half that much, each arm is half that much, no

Andrew Hiller (28:05):

Matter what it is, they stated the depth was whatever they stated. The depth was, is not the depth that they actually had to go to.

Taylor Self (28:12):

They probably made it easier.

Andrew Hiller (28:13):

It supposed to be 12 and eight. It was supposed to be 12 and eight. Right. And that doesn’t look like eight.

Taylor Self (28:18):

I don’t like it when yeah. They probably made

Andrew Hiller (28:21):

And that’s probably why the females were going so freaking quick

Sevan Matossian (28:23):

Relative. So you think the women should be deeper or the men shouldn’t be as deep?

Andrew Hiller (28:27):

Always deeper.

Taylor Self (28:28):

Always. Yeah. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (28:30):


Andrew Hiller (28:31):

Come on Sev.

Taylor Self (28:32):

I’ve I also thought that men should have been to the floor, but fuck it. If you’re gonna do him.

JR Howell (28:40):

Yeah. And this workout too, though, like I don’t think they would’ve lost anything from it. If they switched the order slightly and they do 21 Cal ski, 15 meter front rack lunge, which is about 50 feet and then nine para with like 12 and eight or 12 and nine inches, then it becomes a little bit more of a race. And it becomes a little bit more of who knows themselves and who isn’t gonna manage the execution as much. We talked about a little bit yesterday. This workout kind of becomes 45 handstand pushups for time. You can’t push the ski because if you do, it’s gonna make you rest longer on the paras. And 90 feet, 270 feet is a lot of lunging. No one’s gonna make up tons of ground in the workout on the

Taylor Self (29:19):

Lunge. Or if you make it 15 meters, like Jr said, and you put the ski on one of the floor lunge in the middle para handstand pushup. It probably tells a little better of a story as well.

Sevan Matossian (29:30):

Let me, I don’t know. Let me push back here on that Jr. Where, where we saw Vener lose the race was because the, um, the, the, the lungs were kind of segmented into three. And so it became a sport, right? Do you put it down in the first segment, the second segment or, or, or, or wait till the end? Isn’t that? Isn’t that what happened? But you’re gonna get that same thing in, not if it’s not as long, um, Jr. Wants to shorten it. And then we wouldn’t have gotten that, that dramatic pass at the end. Did he pass him or was he out in front by.

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