#443 | HillerFit Review Show

Sevan Matossian (00:01):

You’re outta storage. This show will not be recorded.

Andrew Hiller (00:05):

No shit

Sevan Matossian (00:06):

Kinda. Well,

Andrew Hiller (00:08):

That means that they, they can only watch it one time.

Sevan Matossian (00:11):

Bam. We’re live. Shoot. Sorry. Will I screwed this all up? Darn it. Darn it. Darn it. Darn it. Darn it. Darn it. Uh,

Andrew Hiller (00:17):

You know the scene in the movie with the, the bombs and the they’re cutting the wires.

Sevan Matossian (00:23):

Yeah. No, what, what movie?

Andrew Hiller (00:26):

Any movie where there’s like,

Sevan Matossian (00:27):

Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. And

Andrew Hiller (00:28):

They gotta like cut the right wire. My mouse just died and I was like trying to hook up the freaking microphone and I clicked the button and the mouse died. It’s almost like cut the right wire.

Sevan Matossian (00:39):

I had that happen the other day before. One of our shows my mouse died.

Andrew Hiller (00:45):

Isn’t that terrible. Cause then you just have to plug it in. It’s useless.

Sevan Matossian (00:48):

<laugh> here. Here’s what? Well, at least you have a mouse pad. Is that what you’re doing now? Cause you’re on

Andrew Hiller (00:53):

A laptop pad. No, I got nothing. I, I I’m. I’m good for nothing. I can’t do anything until it charges.

Sevan Matossian (00:57):

Oh, wow. Okay. Well I have two other mice here. I have like an old school. One that takes batteries.

Andrew Hiller (01:03):

No way. That’s cuz you’re from like the 1970s man.

Sevan Matossian (01:07):

Right? Right. Isn’t and then I have another one.

Andrew Hiller (01:10):

It’s it’s even have the little ball on the bottom.

Sevan Matossian (01:12):


Andrew Hiller (01:12):

They have a little ball. No way.

Sevan Matossian (01:13):

No, no, no I’m joking. But then I also have a one that’s plugged in with the wire here and neither of them work. So it’s interesting.

Andrew Hiller (01:22):

There’s there’s a wire, a mouse of a wire,

Sevan Matossian (01:26):

A mouse of a wire. I have my, it is, I have a wired mouse. You like my shirt?

Andrew Hiller (01:31):

I love your shirt. That’s a great shirt. I’m wearing the,

Sevan Matossian (01:35):

In a bag of weed. I have three mice and a bag of weed. Say that again, Hillary. Sorry.

Andrew Hiller (01:38):

I got, I got my original shirt on the one that has too many letters for you,

Sevan Matossian (01:43):

Too many words, too many words.

Andrew Hiller (01:44):

You know what? You know? I, I got the no rep shirt for you, right? Because it’s less letters. Two words. Yeah. You didn’t want the words.

Sevan Matossian (01:51):

I like it. How you, um, told me that my videos were too long in the day and now you’re like, it’s common for you to put out a 20 minute video too. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (01:59):

It’s what do you mean common?

Sevan Matossian (02:02):

I say that again.

Andrew Hiller (02:04):

What do you mean?

Sevan Matossian (02:05):

Common. Common. It’s common. It’s common. It’s common. Do you want me show?

Andrew Hiller (02:07):

I, I put out one and you know, what did you watch? That one? The one that I sent you that I said I was gonna put out this morning. Cause I didn’t end up putting it out this morning.

Sevan Matossian (02:16):

Oh, I did watch it. I did watch it.

Andrew Hiller (02:19):

The, the judging one.

Sevan Matossian (02:20):

Yeah. I watched the one or

Andrew Hiller (02:21):

The shoot

Sevan Matossian (02:24):

That one tomorrow. I watched Castro one and the judging one,

Andrew Hiller (02:27):

The Castro one. Oh, that was the one I put out this morning or last night. Which counts as today?

Sevan Matossian (02:34):

No one on I’m listening. Anything else?

Andrew Hiller (02:37):

Oh no. I put out the, well, I was gonna go to sleep last night and then I couldn’t because I had to make my Castro video. I got, I got the itch and I’m like, all right, I’m gonna go in the garage and make the Castro video. And I just did you, would you feel about that one? Isn’t it interesting? How like weirdly I used to just sit there and talk and I’d look around and I’d talk and I’d look around and I’d talk.

Sevan Matossian (02:58):

Uh, I, whoa. Is that normal?

Andrew Hiller (03:03):


Sevan Matossian (03:05):

Something doesn’t look right. Look how it just goes into infinity. I did a screen share. You see that

Andrew Hiller (03:09):

Someone wants to go. Does anyone know what TD and TD CDO stands for? The Dave?

Sevan Matossian (03:16):

Hold on

Andrew Hiller (03:18):

The Dave.

Sevan Matossian (03:20):

She was already outta control. You’ve got the plan, right? Point. The what?

Andrew Hiller (03:26):

You’ve got a plan. Yeah. I’ve got something I gotta say really quick if you, if

Sevan Matossian (03:29):

You go ahead. No, go ahead. Good.

Andrew Hiller (03:31):

<laugh> uh, I was just responding to a comment so I didn’t get to go take my morning poop because I was going through the comments on my YouTube and someone’s like, you need to make an apology for Tommy Tillman. You did the master’s video and all of his reps were measured to a different line on the tape. And I’m like, all right. So let’s say that they were measured to a different line on the tape. First of all, it’s been said, I don’t know where, but it might have been for last year’s semifinal workout. There was a tape line that had to be put up for the wall balls. And they recommend that when you put the line up that you make it so that when you throw the ball, it clears the tape line not gets into the tape line. Does that make sense?

Andrew Hiller (04:05):

Avan yeah. So if you were to put up a piece of tape, you don’t want get it into the tape. You want to get it over the tape. It makes it very easy to see when they’re going to do the review video. So I’ll go ahead and say, honestly, I didn’t look. I just assumed that everybody knew that. Let’s say that in this video, Tommy Tillman measured it the other way I went back and watched it. And the idea behind it still stands, which is that he should not have made it through the round of 25. That’s what the entire video is about. It’s a death by a workout and people shouldn’t have been making it through the round of 25 and I will not be making an apology video.

Sevan Matossian (04:38):


Andrew Hiller (04:39):

I’m I’m double down.

Sevan Matossian (04:39):

Yeah. Hey, are you trying to get, uh, hold let’s do some house cleaning here real quick. Are you trying to get hired at HQ?

Andrew Hiller (04:47):


Sevan Matossian (04:47):

Whatever the you are. You want, you want, what would that job look like? What do you mean? You’re trying to get hired at HQ. I didn’t know that. I’m just starting to learn that for your last three videos. What do you, what, what job do you want

Andrew Hiller (04:56):

Over there? Well, to be entirely honest, I think that it’s just ridiculous that they haven’t offered something at this point.

Sevan Matossian (05:02):


Andrew Hiller (05:03):

So like I’m sitting here in the garage and I’m making videos and it’s getting more traction than anything that seems that they do anywhere. And if anything, I would just say, Hey, come do it over here and start talking about some stuff we want to talk about and I’d be, and I would just say, okay, but I’m not gonna do any sort of biases. That’s the only ground to work that you could offer. And I might do it, but I’m not gonna change my perception of things. I’ll talk about other things. If you’d like me to, maybe I can make two videos day because they’ll pay me and I don’t have to do a full-time job. And you know, that sort of deal.

Sevan Matossian (05:34):

I’m trying to think

Andrew Hiller (05:35):

That in today,

Sevan Matossian (05:35):

I’m trying to think what I would do with you. If I was, um, I’m trying to think what I would do with you. If I was, uh, if I was running CrossFit, um, media right now. Hold on. I, I wanna show you something real quick. Let’s see this. Uh, here we go. Here we go.

Andrew Hiller (05:54):

You know what I do wanna do? Sorry. Go ahead,

Speaker 3 (05:57):

Max. What do you want for dinner, max? What do you want for dinner?

Sevan Matossian (06:08):

Is that a little boy in his mom? Max? What do you want for dinner, max? What do

Speaker 3 (06:11):

You want for

Andrew Hiller (06:14):

Dinner’s Benjamin button.

Sevan Matossian (06:16):

Listen guys. Don’t treat your mom like that. I’ll come over to your house and kick the shit outta you. I’m not joking. I don’t like that.

Andrew Hiller (06:22):

Have you seen that movie yet?

Sevan Matossian (06:24):


Andrew Hiller (06:26):

Uh, the new Batman movie. You don’t watch movies? It’s the stupid question. No

Sevan Matossian (06:29):

It’s but I will say it’s good if it’s good. I’ll I’ll watch it. I watch unstoppable Bethany. Hamilton’s a documentary two days ago. I cannot recommend that enough. Okay.

Andrew Hiller (06:39):

I thought you meant the movie with the train. There’s a movie called unstoppable with the train that can’t stop.

Sevan Matossian (06:45):

Oh, like a, like a Nick cage or John Travolta movie or some shit like that. Or

Andrew Hiller (06:49):

How do you feel about Nick cage? You love him. Don’t you?

Sevan Matossian (06:52):

I used to he’s completely lost his shit. Listen, this is what I wanna say.

Andrew Hiller (06:54):

There’s a movie. He, I gotta tell you’s called Willy Wonderland. You gotta watch it.

Sevan Matossian (06:59):

Tell, tell

Andrew Hiller (06:59):

Me, tell me, I’m just gonna tell you it’s called Willy’s Wonderland. He doesn’t say one word in it and it’s his best movie.

Sevan Matossian (07:04):

Oh, is that the one I’m sure I saw that. Is that the one where he works at the it’s the fuck? He works at a, um, uh,

Andrew Hiller (07:10):

Like a Chucky cheese fucking cheese.

Sevan Matossian (07:12):

No, it’s a carnival. And he like his car breaks down, out front. It’s new. Right? His last five movies are fat. Shit. Crazy. LSD fucking nightmare. It’s a horror movie, right?

Andrew Hiller (07:23):

It’s a horror movie kind, but

Sevan Matossian (07:25):

Its so I’m so regret that I watched that shit

Andrew Hiller (07:28):

Shut up. I’ve seen it like three times. It’s like that movie that you just turn on and it’s sitting there while you’re not doing anything.

Sevan Matossian (07:33):

You have issues. I know. Okay. So I wanna talk to you about David Lucas real quick. I wanna tie this into Andrew Hiller here real quick. The, I believe in like kind of absolute personal responsibility and accountability and uh, was thinking about the de duos thing I, I was in, this is gonna be a little bit all over and these things aren’t perfectly connected and I’m aware of that, but it’s okay. I was watching the Olympics one time and there was a, it was a ice skating finals or something. And there was this chick out there, this black chick. I don’t remember what country she was from, but she had no chance of winning. And so she was, this scores had already come in and her shit was already fucked up. So she was skating backwards and she went onto one leg and she did a back flip and landed it on one leg.

Sevan Matossian (08:16):

And it had never been done in competition before. And actually in the Olympics, it’s not a, it wasn’t allowed to be done. They told you, you cannot do that. Wasn’t it wasn’t a scoreable thing. But it had never been done on the ice before. And she fucking did it right there. Bam at the Olympics, like, fuck you. And I thought what? I was just like, I wanted to date her. You know what I mean? Like it just, I thought what a alpha move that chick’s awesome. Like fuck the Olympics. Like I’m just doing a back flip here while I got all the cameras on me. Never been done on the ice skating rink. Oh single leg back flip. So then you, um, then you, I just think that when you have someone like Degos, who’s doing pullups and the bar’s too low, like is he going to innovate?

Sevan Matossian (08:55):

What could he have done differently to take full responsibility? Now I’m not saying he did any of the blaming or anything. I never talked to the dude. I totally understand that his coach was upset, but I had a guy on the podcast the other day. He was, it was the worst interview ever. <laugh> it was, I was fucking off the chart. Amazing. But you know what, how could I have been better? And you know what I should have done, I should have broken my own rule to be nice to, to everyone on my podcast. Like I’m nice to everyone. I should have told him, Hey, you fucking buffoon. You’re a jackass. Get the fuck outta here. And I should have kicked him off just for fun. Even though I wouldn’t have been really upset, I had a guy on and he couldn’t stop looking at his phone and smoking his vape pen and his mom would call, oh, wait a minute. It was the most bizarre podcast

Andrew Hiller (09:35):

That, and I immediately clicked off to it. <laugh> yeah, I clicked on it and he was doing this and I’m like, ah, fuck that. I don’t wanna listen to this guy.

Sevan Matossian (09:43):

Okay. Yeah. He just sucked. And part of me was like, okay. Part of my tactic is okay, just give people enough rope to hang themselves. But like part of me was also like, Hey, I should have just like, like I wouldn’t have been really mad at him, but I should have like played that act. I should have like, just been like, Hey, fuck off, dude. Get the fuck outta here. And just started fighting with him on my podcast. You guys would’ve loved it. It would’ve been funny, but 51% of you would’ve been like, Hey, I know seven’s just fucking around, but 49% you would’ve thought it was real. And that guy would’ve probably thought it was real, but, but that would’ve been taking responsibility and accountability instead of me saying, Hey, that guy sucked. And the reason why that podcast is that guy sucked. Fuck him. Why am I, why am I letting him dictate? So why is Degos letting? Why? Like what, what could, there’s a time to innovate? There’s a time to get better. And I also say that, cause I wanna bring it up with this damn Hiller video, like fuck to, um, uh, uh, he’s got, uh, Hiller’s got this video where he is saying that the, um, judges should be paid. Has that one been released yet?

Andrew Hiller (10:41):

Not yet.

Sevan Matossian (10:43):

Oh, okay. You I’m

Andrew Hiller (10:43):

Gonna put that one out tomorrow. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (10:45):

Fuck you. Don’t judge. If you wanna don’t judge, if you need to get paid,

Andrew Hiller (10:49):

We can still talk about it though. You’ve seen it and then everyone’s gonna be ready to watch it. So

Sevan Matossian (10:53):

Yeah, I know those things. Aren’t like perfectly comparable. It’s not as good as my ice cream and gun murder. Um, comparison that one’s brilliant. But yeah, I, I just, there’s there’s a time when it’s like, Hey, just don’t blame don’t blame.

Andrew Hiller (11:09):

So how, how do you tie in together, David Lucas? I understand the Lugo’s.

Sevan Matossian (11:13):

They’re just things that are fresh on my mind. They’re actually, they’re actually just all things that are fresh on my mind and they Don really, they really don’t tie in well together. And I just remember that girl doing the back clip this morning in the, um, oh yeah. I just remember that girl doing the back flip this morning. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (11:29):

I’ve seen a couple comments roll by that were kind of seconding, which I did. It’s like the Lucas podcast. It’s like, yeah, I couldn’t watch it now in that case, everybody there, I think is like Justin Cotler. They’re like seeing it and they’re getting some sort of an emotional reaction cuz they’re trying to up their guy. Right. They’re seeing this like yeah, fuck that. And then they sign off of your podcast and in this case,

Sevan Matossian (11:49):

Yes, he was a shit guest and, and Del Lugo’s got a shit bar. Okay. We agree. Yeah,

Andrew Hiller (11:54):

You were Degos right. And your guest was the bar. Your guest was the

Sevan Matossian (11:59):

Bar. Thank you Hiller. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And look at Hiller, bending the mind to try to help me. So I don’t look like a jackass on my own show. Thank you. Eh,

Andrew Hiller (12:07):

That’s what I got. Uh, okay. And in this case, in the middle of the show, you didn’t do what you

Sevan Matossian (12:13):

Wanted to do and you are also, you are the whiny complainer and the judge and, and CrossFit’s the one not paying you for your judge. You you’re there volunteering your judge work. You’re judging time while you complain that you’re not getting paid.

Andrew Hiller (12:28):

I don’t think anyone’s complaining. I’m complaining for them in this upcoming video. Um, now, now this video hasn’t come out yet and I know that I can talk about it and I can explain it. But the big thing is I spoke to a, a judge who’s been kind of here there everywhere, high level head judge semi-final regional level online looks at the freaking online submission videos and sends ’em up the ladder. If they see something wrong with it. So he is been around the block. Um, now with this judge, the big thing that came out is that not only do the judges not get paid it’s that they have to pay their way to get to these places. So this judge did not live where these semifinals regionals were taking place. They had to travel, they had to pay for their travel. And then they had to also then pay for their room and board and their food and all that. And there’s food.

Sevan Matossian (13:18):

I understand it’s expensive, but, but they chose it for some reason. Like, like, like those are the same people who paid for. Those are the same people who paid for sex. Those are the same people, um, who pay for friends. And now they paid now CrossFit. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (13:34):

You’re comparing pro.

Sevan Matossian (13:36):

Oh my God. I didn’t, I don’t know if you know this. I did a survey in eight out of 10 judges at the CrossFit games. I go frequent brothels regularly.

Andrew Hiller (13:45):

I thought you were gonna say I was a prostitute. I don’t know if you go this, but I was a prostitute.

Sevan Matossian (13:49):

No, no. In this metaphor, prostitute in this metaphor, the games are the prostitute. Got it, got it. Why are you picking? Why are you picking on that? Like if they wanna pay, well, let me ask you this. What benefit let’s say they did pay the judges. You think the judging gets better?

Andrew Hiller (14:07):

Um, I, I would say that, uh, you know, that’s actually hard because I, in the video counter that I don’t think that it, I, I think that the bottom comes out, you know, because I think that right now they have a stable judges and you know, I, I should say this right now. I’ll just give out the entire meet of the video. And I’ve been informed by the person on the phone call and actually somebody created an Instagram account and it’s just called burner account <laugh> they just sent me a bunch of information. So I have this from two sources, both of which said that they wouldn’t be upset. There was a wedding this weekend by one of the judges. And what do you do when you go to a wedding? It’s like, you invite your buddies, right? Where are your best buddies? Usually with the thing that you love to do the most. So what do they do? They invite the other judges. And I don’t blame them. A judge invited the judging friends and they went to go have a wedding. So when we were noticing that the granite games level of judging was worse than it was at the Mac at the syndicate, there was good reason for it because they were missing most of their top level judges. And I do all of this. I’m saying this and

Sevan Matossian (15:10):

Why was that? I missed that. Why? Why,

Andrew Hiller (15:12):

Why was there a wedding? They love each other.

Sevan Matossian (15:14):

Oh, the wedding, right? Okay. Sorry. <laugh> the wedding. Okay.

Andrew Hiller (15:17):

Go on. Yeah. Yeah. So, so there was a wedding. Um, I remember when we were trying to like map out the

Sevan Matossian (15:21):

Scene, which are a waste of money, by the way, which are total fucking waste of money.

Andrew Hiller (15:25):

But I hope the wedding went well, me too. Right? Don’t you happy wedding? Go get

Sevan Matossian (15:29):

It by waste. I mean, it’s great because you create jobs for other people and then all your friends have to spend gas and that keeps the economy rolling. But take that 20 grand. Put it in a fucking mutual fund. It’ll double every seven years. And when you’re seven years old, you’ll be a millionaires. Don’t be fucking stupid. And have weddings go on. Sorry. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (15:46):

Uh, so if you were to pay the judges thing that happens is the bottom comes out. Like the ones that are making the terrible calls. You they’re less likely to happen because there’s probably a higher floor who we got <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (15:59):

To answer that. Tell you, I can’t tell you. Um, I, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t agree with you. I don’t agree with you. You think we get better?

Andrew Hiller (16:07):

Okay. I can also see that. Cause like I’ve never, I’ve never

Sevan Matossian (16:10):

Agreed. How many judges do they turn away? Do you think they turn judges away?

Andrew Hiller (16:13):

That’s what I’ve been told about granite games. They turned away zero because they needed judges. You could’ve walked up there and like never done a fucking thing in your life. And they would’ve accepted you as a judge of the granite games. They wouldn’t have had you on the elite athletes because there was a filtering process, but you would’ve been judging.

Sevan Matossian (16:30):

So, so we need to, this,

Andrew Hiller (16:32):

This is for my two sources, by the way, one of

Sevan Matossian (16:34):

Which was, oh, like the morning chalk about two sources about the Dave Castro thing.

Andrew Hiller (16:38):

<laugh> yeah. So I’m, I’m actual media now. I got just as many sources,

Sevan Matossian (16:43):

Uh, Bradley. If, if you are gonna agree with me, you can speak. If not, I don’t.

Bradley (16:49):

Oh, come on, man. Don’t be like that.

Sevan Matossian (16:50):

Okay, fine.

Bradley (16:52):

Uh, what’s going on guys?

Sevan Matossian (16:54):


Andrew Hiller (16:54):

Good. What’s up Bradley?

Sevan Matossian (16:55):

I I’m so excited to see Hiller at 7:17 AM

Andrew Hiller (17:01):

9, 7, 17.

Bradley (17:01):

He’s he’s nine 17 here in a central time zone. So it’s not that bad.

Sevan Matossian (17:06):

All right.

Bradley (17:07):

Yeah. So just real quick, I, I wanted to call in and cause y’all talking about paying judges. So I, 100% think that if you, um, if you pay judges that are L twos are higher, the quality of judges is gonna arise. Um, and I’ve judged regionals. I judge regionals in 2 10, 2 11, um, at the Jacksonville regional, the Mid-Atlantic and uh, the south central regional. And you can see the difference in quality of judges, um, that are just there, not even level ones, uh, versus individuals that are level twos. That’s done the coaches prep course, that’s done, um, the level two course and everything like that, they pick up things, they see things a little bit different. So I think the quality of judging 100% goes up.

Sevan Matossian (17:52):

I had a question for both of you guys and I’ll start with you Bradley, and then I’ll let Hiller, why do you think, um, what do you think is the biggest shortcoming of judges? A lack of confidence to, to make the right call? Go ahead, Bradley.

Bradley (18:04):

I think it’s a, I, I, I think it’s lack of confidence 100%. Um, I think when you have individuals that are in that, uh, coaching aspect, if they’re coaching on an affiliate, um, and they’re able to, to judge that and they don’t care, right? They don’t care if they’re they’re, they’re coaching a mom, they don’t care if they’re coaching a high level athlete. If they’re not moving well, and they’re not doing four range motion, that coach is naturally gonna go over there and tell him, Hey, you’re not doing it. The reps correctly, let’s get it up. Right. Let’s let’s make sure you’re locking out overhead, whatever the issue is, if it’s whatever the movement is. Right. And I think it’s the confidence that, that you build as that instructor that rolls over into that judging. Right. Um,

Sevan Matossian (18:44):

I wanna hear what Hiller says too. Do you agree with him Hiller? Do you agree? What do you think the biggest shortcoming is? Cause I’m trying to figure out what the connection is, is why an L two would make a better judge. And he just explained it. He basically said people who care more about coaching, have a better eye and are more strict about movement. And therefore that translates better judging. Is that your thought too? Andrew?

Andrew Hiller (19:01):

I think that when you accept anybody, the way that I said that the granite games did right there, you end up bringing in people who are there to be close to the athletes, which would then lead to you, having some sort of presupposition to not make the right call. Does that make sense?

Sevan Matossian (19:19):


Andrew Hiller (19:20):

So the same judges were traveling around. They do it cuz they love it. They do it cuz they wanna do the right thing, which leads to them then doing the right thing. But when you have people who you’re just kinda roping in, that’s less likely.

Bradley (19:32):

So, and if

Andrew Hiller (19:32):

You’re gonna have a high level, like a level two, they’re gonna go ahead.

Bradley (19:37):

Yeah. So I’ll take you back to 2000 and I think it was 2010, right? Um, I’m at the Jacksonville regional I’m judging, um, Guido, Trinidad, uh, or Guido, uh, I’m judging, uh, Russell Berger. I’m judging. Yeah. Like that’s who I have pictures of me judging these guys. Right. Like, and I, one of

Sevan Matossian (19:59):

The greatest movers ever to, to be in the game, by the way, Russell Berger moves like a fucking it’s it’s kind of unbelievable.

Bradley (20:06):

Yeah. So I I’m judging these guys and I’m looking up to these guys cause I I’ve been following these guys for forever. Right? Like you hear about ’em you’re watching videos. You’re you’re reading, uh, journals that are coming out by Russell, but you still have your job. Right. Like I was brought in and they said, Hey, like this is it. Like, this is the movement we’re doing. And it, it has to be that way. Who gives a shit who the athletes are. Right.

Sevan Matossian (20:28):

And you know, Russell’s got a, uh, concealed carry permit too. So you’re intimidated a little bit too.

Bradley (20:33):

Right? Yep. Um, so I don’t care who those athletes are. Right? Like who, if you’re, there’s the deep, closer to the athlete, then that you’re there for the wrong reason. Right. You’re there for one reason. And that’s to, to help make sure that what we’re doing is putting the best athletes in, in making sure they’re following the movements. So we get the quality of, of judging. That’s gonna allow us to make the sport a better sport for the people who want it that way. And that’s what it comes down to. So I think if you, if you’re a L two, right, and they’re gonna say, Hey, it’s gonna take you, uh, it’s gonna cost you this much money to fly from Louisiana to wherever. Um, we’re gonna reimburse you for your flight. We’re gonna reimburse you for your hotel room. Uh, and then maybe Nobles gives you, uh, three shirts and a pair of shoes like,

Sevan Matossian (21:18):

Oh God, I’d rather, I’d rather fucking be punched in the gut than get a pair of noble shoes. Can I get something else seriously? I’d rather, I’d rather be circumcised at 50 than get a para noble shoes.

Bradley (21:29):

If we can go back to where we, uh, if we can go back to where we were wearing Reebok, right. That’d be a different D

Sevan Matossian (21:34):

But now

Bradley (21:35):

Everything, here’s the, you know, now everybody,

Sevan Matossian (21:38):

Hey. And if they can afford that, if they can afford that, by the way, we can give them something else too. We can give, let’s say CrossFit can’t afford it. Um, Hiller said something really smart to me last night on the phone. Cause like we fought a little bit about this on the phone and he goes, Hey dude, if nothing else, they’ve had 10 years to start working on a plan. And, and like, yeah, like why didn’t they pay him $5 the first year? And now it’s up to $50. Right? You could also, if you want, they could get them a, they could give ’em a discount on their next, uh, on a seminar too. So if you come there, you get 50% off on a seminar, they could do something like that.

Bradley (22:10):

Well, in two 10, when I showed up to the Jacksonville regional, after I did the Atlantic and after I did the regional, I mean the, uh, the, the Southern regional, uh, in Tomball, Texas, right. I had fucking nine shirts at the end of the three weeks. Right. That’s that’s what I had nine shirts. I still have those nine shirts. I still have those nine shirts in my, uh, you know, in my dresser. Um, that I, I like to show my friends. Like, that’s what I showed to have four. But at the time, things were a lot, a little bit different. How old are

Sevan Matossian (22:41):

You? How old are you?

Bradley (22:43):

I’m 36.

Sevan Matossian (22:44):

Okay. Don’t be bringing any more of your grown friends into your bedroom and opening your drawer, showing ’em your shirts that, that window. Nah, a couple years ago. You’d be cool, man. Don’t get all weird. This,

Bradley (22:52):

You know, you know, you know how it is sometimes you just gotta like, Hey, old school stuff right here. This is the OG stuff.

Sevan Matossian (22:58):

I show off my phoning shirts in my closet on Instagram, at least once a month. I totally feel you.

Bradley (23:03):

Yeah. But it’s been 10 years, right? Yeah. So as a sport has, as a sport has developed, like it’s 10 years, something has changed. Uh, we’ve seen this issue. Like it goes back to the standards with, uh, with the Matt Lugo issue. Like I have been saying that issue at regionals. I judged Asia Barto and his brother at regionals in 10. Right. They were hitting their feet while doing bar muscle up in Tomball, Texas. And I simply said like, this is an issue with these guys being six, six in 2010 <laugh> and we’re still dealing with the same issue then. So it’s, it’s one of those things. Like it’s either like the individuals that are are ahead of it, they don’t want to hear what, what needs to be addressed. Or it’s just one of those things like, well, hopefully we just don’t come across that ever again. Right.

Sevan Matossian (23:52):

Or they don’t give a shit or they think we’re wrong.

Bradley (23:55):

Yeah. We’re not wrong because y’all did the y’all y’all proved it. Right. If doesn’t, if, if rhythm for doing 72 chest bars, uh, like, uh, Colton did, and like those other guys did, right. His rhythm’s gonna allow him to what? 20 something seconds. Now he’s going the point.

Sevan Matossian (24:12):

Well, he should innovate his pull up is what I’m saying.

Bradley (24:15):

Oh, come on now. I know we just say,

Sevan Matossian (24:18):

I, I just accountability.

Andrew Hiller (24:22):

Never. You have never had innovate. Have you ever had to innovate your pull up Seon? You, you don’t know how hard that is?

Sevan Matossian (24:27):

Never. When I, when I could finally do one pull up and didn’t have to do the flex arm, hang with the girls. I thought fucking it was the first time I started thinking. There might be an actual God.

Bradley (24:39):


Sevan Matossian (24:40):

Thank you for calling. Thank you for calling.

Bradley (24:42):

Oh, no problem, man. You’all have a great day. Bye.

Sevan Matossian (24:44):

Hillary floors. Yours, are you stimulated? Oh, I,

Andrew Hiller (24:49):

I had so many things to like, all right. Thing. Number one that I thought of during that, he said something and it kind of made me think about which I know you would love so much this schooling system. So like you go to high school, you go to college, you get a master’s that whole deal. And as you move through those things, usually there’s a monetary outcome with whatever occupation you end up taking. How about like you have a level one, you can get paid this much as a judge, you get a level two, you get paid this much as a judge. If you’re level four, then you’re all of a sudden in contention to be one of the top paid judges. And it’s just like a equals B. Just makes sense. To me, that’s a doctor. Sue’s right there. Uh <laugh> the other thing was, there’s a comment somewhere where someone says, Hey, how about they were giving athletes a free level, one rate? Why don’t they give the judges the opportunity to discount on whatever next level of education they have at the seminars? Maybe not anything crazy, but like 25% off. So if you’re a level one 25% off towards your level two, not only

Sevan Matossian (25:45):

That or 50, you really are investing at that point in, in them, correct?

Andrew Hiller (25:48):

Yeah, because then it’s not only giving the judges like something to, you know, work for. It’s like, Hey, you’re working for, it’s basically 500 bucks free now. It’s what, 5 75 free, uh, that’s what you’re getting. You’re being paid 5 75. And, and then, um, you’re also just upping the level of education. So it’s a, it’s a win-win

Sevan Matossian (26:06):

<laugh>. Yeah. And it’s, and it’s, it is a win-win you’re right. And it’s probably a wash. It probably doesn’t cost them anything at that point.

Andrew Hiller (26:12):

Correct? Yeah. And I mean like how many judges are there? It’s not like they’re gonna freaking lose their ass on judges taking over the freaking level two or whatever. And then the other thing that I thought during that was,

Sevan Matossian (26:23):

And you’d get more people. If there was a 50% off, you’d get more people. If there was some sort of benefit to beating a judge, monetary benefit, you’d get more people wanting to do it. And then you could turn people away. I feel like until we start turning people away, we can’t even have the discussion about improving the quality of the judging because it’s it’s, it comes down to supply and demand. Right.

Andrew Hiller (26:44):

I just think it makes way too much sense. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (26:48):

Mr. Mr. Smith, he hung up.

Andrew Hiller (26:52):

Good. Cause I had another thought,

Sevan Matossian (26:53):

Okay, go.

Andrew Hiller (26:54):

You know, those booths there’s booths everywhere. Every, every which, what booth they come from over the freaking seas and whatnot. And I know that at the booths, people will work there. And then at the end of the weekend, they’ll say, Hey, send us your information for your gas bills, your hotel and all that. And then they’ll get reimbursed. And these are the companies that just say like have booths surrounding the freaking venue. You would figure that CrossFit could do something like that for their judges as well at the bare minimum, be like, Hey, you judged, send us invoices on your, whatever the hell you spent to come here. Maybe you don’t pay them, but you cover travel and shit.

Sevan Matossian (27:26):

Yeah. I think you have to have like, just for, just for, um, uh, streamlining, it’s gotta be just like one thing just for everybody.

Andrew Hiller (27:34):


Sevan Matossian (27:35):

A thousand bucks or 500 bucks or a discount or those,

Andrew Hiller (27:38):

Those two things would go such a long way. <laugh> level levels of education and paying for whatever people get turned away from Jojo. There we go. I was speaking about granted games in particular. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (27:56):

Do you know this guy?

Andrew Hiller (27:58):

How does, I don’t know. Um, I don’t know. Maybe he’s the burner account guy. I don’t know who that was, but the murderer account was there. So that the name wasn’t the parent,

Sevan Matossian (28:09):

Right? Uh, Mr. Martinez,

Bradley (28:13):

What’s up. How’s

Andrew Hiller (28:16):


Bradley (28:18):

Just I, uh, that’s along the same with the judging. Um, I was thinking, cause I’ve done a lot of local competitions and when you go local competitions, the, and the regionals and the like the, you look that the standards that are more. And so all the model for local competitions is always, they use volunteers. And so there’s no like criteria for the judging standard. And it seems like if there was a higher level of standard, even on a smaller scale, obviously y’all are talking about the bigger scale, but I’m just saying like, do y’all think that there’s any issue with that? Like, cuz I know with like sports like baseball, you know, there’s, there’s different leagues and different divisions and that as you improve and grow, then you move into another division. So I just wanna interject that idea about, cause I’ve seen a lot of judging standards, really bad at uh, local competitions and um, haven’t really been happy with it too.

Andrew Hiller (29:22):

What really level umpire gets paid like a hundred dollars a game or more?

Sevan Matossian (29:27):

No shit.

Andrew Hiller (29:28):

Yeah. I know that because I had a buddy growing up who was just making fucking bank going, going from my game to game like two hours. He’d make 200 bucks. Yeah. And he was just judging a bunch of 10 year olds as a high schooler. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (29:42):

So your friend was in high school making? Yeah. Yeah. In high school you’re making 200 bucks for a fucking day. Yeah. That’s awesome. Take all three of your

Andrew Hiller (29:48):

Girlfriends out do make like six to 800 bucks. Cause he’d do a couple games on a weekend. It’d be good to go for the freaking month as a high schooler.

Sevan Matossian (29:54):

Yeah. That’s awesome.

Andrew Hiller (29:56):

He was like the, yeah, that’s

Bradley (29:57):

Kinda the point I was wanting to throw out there, but.

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