#438 – Granite Games Finale | Alex Gazan, Justin Cotler, Mayer, Hiller, Self, Howell

Mattew Ouza (00:01):

Are we able to use those? Or are we gonna get dinged? One, one minute, 17 seconds. One, one minute, four seconds.

Andrew Hiller (00:08):

Bam. Turn it off. Turn. Turn it on. Turn it off. I turn on 1, 2, 3 off

JR Howell (00:15):


Andrew Hiller (00:17):


Sevan Matossian (00:18):

Seon has to be hard as a rock with how the leaderboard shook out. Uh, if I could pick any dudes, uh, that, that was a pretty, pretty, uh, good group. I’d like to see Anthony Davis in there and it’d been like perfect. I mean, it, it I’m really happy for quant. I’m really happy for him. I’m we must be a lot to him. I wonder if he’s got one,

Andrew Hiller (00:41):

You know why that happened, right?

Sevan Matossian (00:42):

No. Tell me,

Andrew Hiller (00:44):

Well, I have a few, I heard he switched training camps this off season.

Sevan Matossian (00:47):

Oh geez. Oh geez.

Andrew Hiller (00:49):


Sevan Matossian (00:50):

He must, it must be so emotional. There, there must be a crazy story. Right? I’m guessing that there’s some sort of story back there, like some bad shit to him. Like he had to drop down to one knee and pray to the heavens like that he doesn’t die or something. I mean, it’s gotta be something wild

Andrew Hiller (01:04):

Back where

Sevan Matossian (01:05):

Back where, what

Andrew Hiller (01:06):

You said he had to do some shit back there

Taylor Self (01:10):

Talking about Chandler.

Sevan Matossian (01:11):

No, no quant. I mean humble. Like all, all we keep hearing is is that he got some crazy sickness. He, he, he, and, and he’s back and, and he’s now competing at the highest level and he competed, you know what Colton said is the hard. Is that true? What Colton said, this is the hardest semifinal to qualify at.

Taylor Self (01:28):

If you’re dude,

Andrew Hiller (01:28):

I would say

Taylor Self (01:29):

Yes. If you’re yeah. If you got, if you identify as male,

Sevan Matossian (01:33):

This is one

Andrew Hiller (01:34):

Jr. Here, here. What do you think? Hardest, hardest field

Taylor Self (01:38):

Between. I was just,

JR Howell (01:39):

I was just thinking, I think Atlas game is really top heavy. I mean, five or six of those guys are really good. So I don’t know about depth. I mean, maybe this one was a little bit deeper, but Atlas is good.

Sevan Matossian (01:52):

Who does Atlas have? They have, uh, Patrick ner vio,

Andrew Hiller (01:57):


Sevan Matossian (01:58):

Karen Adler. Oh yeah. Cedric. Yeah. Oh yeah. It’s a train wreck over there

Andrew Hiller (02:04):

Too. Austin. Spencer’s good. Connor Dody. Dylan Petit.

JR Howell (02:10):

Yeah. Both Vios are there. Right? Both Vios. I think his brother’s pretty good.

Mattew Ouza (02:14):

Jeremy and Alex.

Taylor Self (02:17):

Well, there’s a lot of established names in both of these, but you really all.

Sevan Matossian (02:20):

Can you make that bigger, Matt? Sorry, Taylor, go.

Taylor Self (02:23):

I was gonna say all four north American semifinals are fucking brutal.

JR Howell (02:27):

What do you,

Sevan Matossian (02:28):

Unless you’re a girl. This one wasn’t so hard, right?

Andrew Hiller (02:37):

Go ahead. Wait, what, what, what, wasn’t hard.

Sevan Matossian (02:40):

Uh, this, this, if you’re a female, this is the one you wanted to be in the granite

Andrew Hiller (02:43):

Games. The granite games. Yeah. Um, I’ve, I’ve spoken to female athletes attending Atlas and they seem to think that they have a good shot because the field is weaker at the top there as well.

Taylor Self (02:53):

Let’s see.

Andrew Hiller (02:54):

What are the female side of this?

Sevan Matossian (02:56):

Hey, do you know who the MVP is of this? Uh,

Taylor Self (03:00):

Caroline honors? Uh, who dos,

Sevan Matossian (03:04):

Who do you thinks the most impressive person who came out of, uh, this, uh, granite games, male or female athlete? Who would you give the MVP to?

Andrew Hiller (03:12):

Ooh, good question. Give me a second.

Sevan Matossian (03:15):

I know

Taylor Self (03:17):

Really MVP. I mean, <laugh>, it does really? No,

Sevan Matossian (03:23):

I mean, she didn’t do, but I wouldn’t even put her in mys. Great. But

Taylor Self (03:27):

Who MA’s got four event wins. I mean, I know it’s the easy pick, but it’s the easy pick cuz it’s the right pick.

Andrew Hiller (03:34):


JR Howell (03:34):

I would

Andrew Hiller (03:35):

Probably fill tune.

JR Howell (03:36):

There you go. I would still give it to Phil. Lowest place finish was 12 that’s that’s

Taylor Self (03:42):

Now’s lowest is fifth

JR Howell (03:44):

<laugh>. Yeah, but mal finished one at the games last year, Phil was last chance qualifier. And then he goes from that to a second place. Finish in Sims. It’s pretty strong.

Sevan Matossian (03:52):

I give, do you, did everyone say so we got fill tune. We got a Mallory. We got a

Andrew Hiller (03:59):

You’ve had two fill tunes,

Sevan Matossian (04:01):

Two tunes. Uh Suso. Who do you got?

JR Howell (04:05):

Honestly, col Mertons

Sevan Matossian (04:06):

Col Mertons gonna go’s I like the guy fair home. This is the home cooking podcast. Uh, I’m gonna go with Alex Willis

Taylor Self (04:14):

Cause on Kaza GZA.

Sevan Matossian (04:16):

Here’s why I pick Alex Willis. She had to take first, second place is she’d lost. She’d have gone four point if Emily, right. She had to take first.

Andrew Hiller (04:28):

She, she had to

JR Howell (04:30):

First, but it was a little bit more definitive upon Chloe’s performance though. She needed, she needed help for sure.

Sevan Matossian (04:36):

Okay. So even if she would’ve taken first. Oh and Emily would’ve uh, no,

Andrew Hiller (04:42):

She could have, she could have gone down two spots and still made it cause that would’ve been eight points and uh, no. Yeah.

JR Howell (04:51):

She been

Andrew Hiller (04:51):

Tie. She could have only had taken yeah. Eight points. She could have done that tie and yeah.

JR Howell (04:58):

So she finished two points, two spots, lower. Would’ve been a tie and she would’ve gotten a tie breaker due to us second

Taylor Self (05:03):


JR Howell (05:04):


Sevan Matossian (05:05):

I mean, that’s just beast mode. That’s just taking control. Did uh, it’s too bad. We didn’t get to see Colton perform more. Um, he was basically getting laughed like in, just like right off the bat. Second round. Someone’s laughing on it. <laugh> it was nuts. Um, he’s just pacing himself or he was slow on the rope code. Did anyone seem struggle? Did he get no rep or did he’s just, he’s just, was just steady, slow and steady.

Andrew Hiller (05:30):

He was just struggling.

Sevan Matossian (05:31):

You did. Did you see him struggle on the rope?

Andrew Hiller (05:35):

Um, Colton’s very, very good at handstand pushups and we’ve seen that and he’s also good at pullups, but it, when the rope line comes in, it’s like a reach issue. Yeah. And it appears as if he had to take more poles up. I think we were talking about that yesterday and maybe Taylor said it

Sevan Matossian (05:52):

17 poles to get to the top for Colton.

Andrew Hiller (05:54):

Yeah. And after 10 of those, they kind of add up in the ones that I remember pretty, uh, vividly were the rounds of six and seven. You could see ’em like doing one of these like hand over hand up the rope.

Sevan Matossian (06:05):

Yeah. This is interesting. Uh, Ruhi vis from, uh, from, uh, uh, Bengali. I don’t know if that was a country. Um, I noticed on the last rope climb that, uh, Colton all touched. Did he tap with the back of his hands?

Taylor Self (06:20):

Yeah. He smacked it like that. Cuz he was, I think he gr I think he was in a position when he was at the top where if he had pulled this bottom hand out and touched however way he was just gonna miss the top. And so he grabbed it with his top hand and smacked it with the back of his hand.

Sevan Matossian (06:35):

Yeah. That was looked hairball.

JR Howell (06:37):

Yeah. And he looked like he hit the, the underneath, not the front, like not the face of it looked he hit under. Yeah.

Taylor Self (06:44):

He, I don’t know. I know he hit the knuckle that the rope hangs to or the eyelet, whatever you wanna call it.

Sevan Matossian (06:49):

And uh, Jr. What are the implications? Are that, are you suggesting if he didn’t, if he did hit it on the bottom, it’s no good. Cause I was I’m

JR Howell (06:56):

You got still counts. Yeah.

Taylor Self (06:57):

Got it was just like, it was just fucking sketchy

Sevan Matossian (07:01):

Got rep. But the way Jr’s saying it is that you had to hit the side and I saw what Jr did too. He hit the bottom.

JR Howell (07:06):

Yeah. But yeah, but that counts, I think you just have to touch metal. I think that’s what they say. You just have to touch metal and

Sevan Matossian (07:11):

That’s it just gotta touch wood. Okay.

Mattew Ouza (07:14):

Do you think that was the hardest part of the rope climb for it, for him like that little gap where you have to climb high enough up and then reach up with one hand? Cause I know that slows a lot of people down. Like if you’re not accurate that, and you can’t get high enough up the rope, then it also screws up your descent. Right. Because you’re so focused on that. So I wonder if during the rope climb that little bit was the hangup for him. That last stretch.

Taylor Self (07:33):

I don’t think that I don’t think that alone was the hangup, but it for sure contributes. I think the hangup is that he’s got so many pulls to get to the

Mattew Ouza (07:40):

Top. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (07:42):

Colton finished it in 3 56, the person behind him. So he finished 27th and 28th was Joe PIRO at 5 0 4 and he would’ve only had lost three points. So no matter what he had his placing of fifth locked up and we didn’t even know that

Mattew Ouza (07:58):

Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Sevan Matossian (07:59):

Who, who did Colton did

Andrew Hiller (08:00):

Colton had fifth place locked up? No matter what going into that event. I wonder if he knew that?

Sevan Matossian (08:06):

No, no, I don’t think that’s true.

Andrew Hiller (08:08):

Well, I, I, I guess you can’t know that because you don’t know how the field’s in the shake up, but after you look at it right now, it would’ve been, uh, Nick Matthew would’ve had to have gotten third in order to have passed him. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (08:20):

Okay. I see what you’re saying.

JR Howell (08:21):

Wow. And

Andrew Hiller (08:23):

Yeah. So he almost got last on that with the field who is competing.

Sevan Matossian (08:26):

Hey, going back to your question, Susan, I don’t think anyone’s in this group and I would be, you know, to tell me different has ever, ever seen anyone tap the top like that, that was fucked up. Like when you saw him swing with the back of his hand, it was kind of out of desperation

Taylor Self (08:39):

I have before. Yeah.

Mattew Ouza (08:41):

Well those last couple poles are the hardest, right? Like right when you’re at the top there and you kind of lo like you’re no longer using as much as momentum. If you can’t get your legs going on it and you get to that last little portion, that’s when it gets, gets sketchy.

Sevan Matossian (08:55):

You’ve done that. Taylor, is that what you’re saying? I think I

Taylor Self (08:57):

Did it on one of the rope climbs at Jr’s competition.

Sevan Matossian (09:00):

And was it, was it out of desperation?

Taylor Self (09:02):

I was pushing it to the limit. Yeah. I mean, it wasn’t like I was pushing it. I was pushing it to the point where I’m right at the point of failure to do well at, in legless rope climb workouts. When there’s a field of guys who are really good at legless, you gotta push to failure to the point right before failure.

Sevan Matossian (09:18):

And I wanna say that I almost saw, I saw Colton the one time that they showed him coming down, the rope that I saw, he was outta control. Slack was building the rope. He could look like he came down too fast. He did not. I mean, he, he looked like he was pushing it.

Taylor Self (09:31):

They didn’t tell you needed to show control.

Sevan Matossian (09:33):

No, I, yeah. I’m yeah. Uh, well, that’s funny. You should say that he actually offered to wear one at this event. Um, but for some reason, 22 days, wasn’t, uh, fast enough to get wow.

Taylor Self (09:48):

They fucked you buddy.

Sevan Matossian (09:50):

<laugh> I know, I know.

Taylor Self (09:51):


Sevan Matossian (09:52):

I know. I yelled at them too. That’s not Travis be housing either.

Andrew Hiller (09:57):

Thanks for making that differentiation.

Sevan Matossian (09:59):

Yeah. Travis is a shit. I got my, uh, I have my pride CEO plus shirt coming. So I asked for it like two days ago. I think it’ll be here tomorrow. I can’t wait to show it off CEO

Andrew Hiller (10:08):


Sevan Matossian (10:09):

Yeah. For pride month.

Taylor Self (10:11):

<laugh> what is it? What it, oh, wow. Oh my God.

Sevan Matossian (10:14):

Yeah. Yeah. I got it in white and black. It’s my first white one. Um, couple things I, I, I, I noticed when I, when I printed out my notes for today’s for this show, I missed this, the last show. And I just wanted to, um, here’s some things that I forgot to bring up in the last show. Um, someone sent me DM and, uh, it was a coach and he said, I stepped out onto the platforms. We swept all the pellets off and they were still slicker than owl snot. So, so many people, you know, it all who are like, there were no pellets on there. Well, this is a coach who was telling me there were actually pellets on there. And then even after sweeping them off, um, uh, it was still slippery. Shit. Here’s the thing too. Like how hard is it to just provide rosin?

Andrew Hiller (10:55):

I don’t think that it’s not hard, but I don’t think it’s something that many people would even think of. Yeah. Anybody here, have you ever even thought of that? I mean, it’s something someone pulled out of the woodwork as a result of it having happened.

Sevan Matossian (11:05):

No, but that’s not an argument. That’s an argument for even, I could use that as an argument for even more, um, just ignorance. Like, Hey, this is clearly a tool that’s using this professional sport that you’re fucking stealing. These lifts, these lifts from these movements from at least follow the fucking protocol they have Rozen on there for a reason. Right?

Andrew Hiller (11:21):

You have a point.

Sevan Matossian (11:22):

Well, thank you. Um, uh, Jamie, uh, Haga, um, she, uh, pushed the sled and she also did a rope climb and I would like to start a petition, um, on, uh, uh, I don’t know,

Andrew Hiller (11:38):


Sevan Matossian (11:38):

Yeah. Thank you. gofundme.org. Um, this is not about Jamie Haga. How dare they show her climbing the rope and pushing a sled? I just joking. Jamie. I love you. I love you, dad. Push away. That was my, did

Andrew Hiller (11:48):

You say Alex Parker? A link?

Sevan Matossian (11:50):

That, that was my,

Taylor Self (11:51):

Oh, please.

Sevan Matossian (11:53):

That was my favorite rope climb. Uh, um, uh, I already thank the granted games for using the SL uh, the pig flip sled push thing. That thing was cool. Uh, Amanda Barnhardt does not run like a robot. Did we talk about that big, strong girl, beautiful runner, right?

Andrew Hiller (12:14):

Correct. Uh, just cuz you’re a big strong female doesn’t mean you have to run like a robot.

Sevan Matossian (12:22):

Uh, we haven’t talked about the rope climb yet. Sorry guys. I found a page in my notes that I didn’t bring up from the last event. So we’re going here. Uh, and we have Jr with this Jr. During the, um, the 27 minute event, which is called

JR Howell (12:34):

Endure, the sled

Sevan Matossian (12:35):

Endure the sled. There was a moment that Marisa sta ran past, uh, Emily Rolf. I believe it was. And chase pointed out that, um, she, that she was just like pacing her and then ran by her fast. And that that’s actually strategy runners use to deter the person from behind you trying to keep up with you. I thought that was fascinating. Did you hear that? What do you think about that?

JR Howell (12:58):

Yeah, for sure. Like, uh, if you run, if you run outside ever and there’s any kind of Hills involved, you’ll hear people say push the uphills and if you can see someone on an uphill, make sure you pass them. Cuz if you pass him on the uphill, it just kind of demoralizes them

Sevan Matossian (13:12):

And it works. Right?

JR Howell (13:13):

I think so.

Sevan Matossian (13:15):

Yeah. You ever done that to Taylor?

JR Howell (13:18):

Yeah, no comment.

Taylor Self (13:19):

Pass me, pass me on what a

Andrew Hiller (13:21):


Sevan Matossian (13:22):

Uh, uh, running up a hill.

Taylor Self (13:23):

No, he’s never passed me running up a

Sevan Matossian (13:25):

Hill. It’s a metaphor for it. Um, uh, someone was, someone was telling me that, uh, Amanda Barnhart was spending a ton of time looking at, uh, mall’s uh, monitor rather than her own when they were on the bikes. That that could be demoralizing, right?

Andrew Hiller (13:46):

Yeah. It could be demoralizing. It doesn’t mean that it has to be, it could be insightful. How fast do I have to go to keep up with you? Or maybe she’s got the power to go much faster and doesn’t want to do too much so she can push the next run. Hmm. Oh, I see that. You’re at, uh, 300 Watts. I’m just gonna stay there cuz I know I could do three 40, so I’m just gonna have it upper hand and you going into the next run.

Sevan Matossian (14:08):

I like it

Andrew Hiller (14:11):

Or it could be moralizing, be like, oh fuck. That’s 400 Watts. I can’t do that. <laugh> she? She always weighs 125 pounds. Oh no. <laugh>

Mattew Ouza (14:19):

Is there a benefit as like a practice for that all the time? Like Jr. If you’re gonna coach somebody with it and you’re looking, are you going out there and saying, Hey, observe other people’s monitors or is that just athlete dependent? Cause for me that, that would screw me up. I’m so slow on those machines that I would look over and be like, oh shit, they’re going that much faster than me. I’m working this hard.

JR Howell (14:36):

Yeah. You know, it’s interesting. If you tell, if you tell someone who’s good on that machine to look left and look right. It could make you feel really good about yourself and it could almost give you more juice to keep pushing. But if you’re not someone who’s very strong and you tell them to look left and right. It’s just gonna make ’em feel like they’re defeated.

Andrew Hiller (14:56):


Sevan Matossian (14:57):

By the way, Sarah Cox sent me a, a message telling me I’d look like shit. The last two days, um, dying on the, uh,

Andrew Hiller (15:05):

I think you look like Zeus

Sevan Matossian (15:06):

Fucking amazing today. What are you talking about? Look at this in this asshole, Mark Phillips. Imagine Chevon passing you running up a hill. Talk about wanting to quit, quit life.

Andrew Hiller (15:16):


Sevan Matossian (15:17):

Asshole. Uh, what’s your favorite comment in the side? I saw I saw one. Um, no, I saw one. Uh, I saw one earlier to just as I was coming in. Did you guys see your favorite comment in the chat today during the live stream?

Andrew Hiller (15:31):

<laugh> I was watching on the TV all day today. I was out of the, the comment section.

Sevan Matossian (15:35):

Oh, you can have the comments run on the TV. I have ’em run on the TV.

Andrew Hiller (15:39):

What? Yeah. Yeah. I saw how do you do

Sevan Matossian (15:40):

That? There’s you just, you kind of just scroll up from the bar and, and, and then there’s some choices of shit you can choose and you can choose chat.

Andrew Hiller (15:48):

What if your TV isn’t 80 inches big. Can you still do that?

Sevan Matossian (15:52):

Yeah. All the TV. I think, I think as long as it’s, uh, post 2004. Yeah. Anyway. Right, right. When I was coming in here, I was, I probably laughed for five minutes straight. Someone wrote it’s still tune supposed to be white

Andrew Hiller (16:08):


Sevan Matossian (16:11):

Oh goodness. Oh my goodness. Um,

Andrew Hiller (16:17):

Alright. Someone called me out. I wasn’t there for a couple seconds. I actually, I popped in heat was in and then I was out <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (16:26):

Uh, Brent OWK Phil tune. Travis may Samuel quant, Colton Mertons. Um, anything surprising here, Taylor, anything like holy shit or is like, yep. That’s the way it plays out the way it’s supposed to.

Taylor Self (16:39):

Uh, I would say Sam Kwan, I’m not a surprise, but

Sevan Matossian (16:42):

You know, wildcard,

Taylor Self (16:44):

He was a big wildcard going in. So I think it just, uh, speaks to potential that he’s back. We want to see how he does at the games. Um, and it, and it seems like he typically performs best in that longer event format with more tests anyways. So

Andrew Hiller (17:01):

Can we pull up Brian’s uh, Instagram picks for this we’ll note? That’ll give us a pretty good insight as to like who, I mean, I usually think his picks are pretty close to spot

Taylor Self (17:09):

On Chandler Smith was way off Tim.

Andrew Hiller (17:12):

I know Chandler Smith was in the top three for

Sevan Matossian (17:14):

Well, so that’s what I was gonna say. Let, let me ask you this Hiller of those five. I think we all expected that. Of course, Samuel Quan’s health is the question, but the only two people that we would switch out were number eight, Tim Paulson and number 11 Chandler Smith. If those two would’ve been in and, and two and, and let’s say, um, uh, uh, um, Colton and Samuel were out, we still wouldn’t be surprised. Right? It was, it was, it was those seven and we got five of those seven, right?

Taylor Self (17:39):

Yeah. I, I would agree.

Sevan Matossian (17:41):

Okay then what’s the same. I like

Andrew Hiller (17:42):

These. Yeah. He was a little off on this

Sevan Matossian (17:44):

One though. And then, and then the new guy who, and then the new guy who proved himself is, uh, Matt Degos right?

Andrew Hiller (17:52):

Correct. Yes. He, he totally did work this weekend. Well, cuz remember, I don’t know. I did you guys say much about him? All I said was that I remembered watching him at waap PZA with, to and James Newberry and he was performing really well on the team. And then he followed that up with his performance on event, five of the quarter finals by dominating it.

Sevan Matossian (18:12):

Does he go if he’s in another, um, does he go if he’s in another, uh, semi or he’s just not quite games. Games ready? Um,

Andrew Hiller (18:20):


Taylor Self (18:22):

In north,

Sevan Matossian (18:23):

In north America.

Andrew Hiller (18:25):

Was it the syndicate machine? Super final.

Sevan Matossian (18:28):


Andrew Hiller (18:30):

He would’ve done really well as well. Lugo Degos yes. Ah, did you notice that how much, how much time he picked up on the echo bike and the indoor of the sled?

Taylor Self (18:39):

Yeah, he’s right on the machines, but I still don’t think that he makes it at syndicate just because of,

Andrew Hiller (18:46):

Uh, I heard they would’ve moved the polar bars for him there too. Just like they, they caught the ropes.

Mattew Ouza (18:51):

<laugh> do you think that played that much of a difference in him going or not that one specific event and the thing that’s going on with the pole bars? Cuz I’ve seen, I saw even a couple comments coming in here. People saying Del Lugo got robbed.

Taylor Self (19:02):

Well here’s the deal every year dude, every year competitors, each fucking competitor, Nick Matthew, Matt Lu goes Tim Paulson, Anthony Davis, probably those four guys all have something that they could look to and say, man, if I had been a few seconds faster here, a few seconds faster there, if I hadn’t made that fucking mistake, I’d be going to the games. So

Andrew Hiller (19:22):

Yeah. But how many of them were dependent on the equipment? Right with that comment?

Taylor Self (19:26):

That’s true. Um,

Andrew Hiller (19:28):

It’s like what

Sevan Matossian (19:29):

Workout was that? Is that, is that the Minnesota mashup we’re talking

Mattew Ouza (19:31):

About? No, no that was a speech chipper. He still took a 10th player. He was still, still took a 10th there. He got 12th and 12th with the two was the barbell complex and the Minnesota mashup.

Sevan Matossian (19:41):

I’m gonna answer the du. I’m gonna put the Duo’s question to rest here. You guys

Andrew Hiller (19:45):

Can, and I’m gonna bring it right back up. Go

Sevan Matossian (19:46):

Ahead. Okay. I’m gonna put the duos question to rest. Um, what’s the most generous amount of time. If the pullup bar was an issue, he, he has 8 30, 2 mm-hmm <affirmative> okay. Listening. Jr. Hiller and Taylor, listen to this. He has 8 32 in that workout and he took 10th place. The fastest time. The other data point I’m gonna give you is 7 26. That was Colton Mertons. So it’s it’s um, it’s

Andrew Hiller (20:12):

Um, what was, what was six place on that workout? Wait,

Sevan Matossian (20:14):

It was exactly it’s exactly. One minute. More or less behind the winner.

Taylor Self (20:19):

Let me interrupt you. You would have to go back and watch how long his chest bars took to give an accurate

Sevan Matossian (20:25):

State on that. Okay. Since you haven’t let’s just, let’s just, let’s just do,

Andrew Hiller (20:28):

It seems like a good topic of a video for me to make tomorrow.

Sevan Matossian (20:31):

How? Yeah it does. How you did, how in here? How many, how many seconds do you think he could have made up?

JR Howell (20:37):

Well, this is what you would have to do.

Taylor Self (20:39):

It depends on how long many it took you. You,

JR Howell (20:41):

You would’ve to trust him on his word and say, Hey, what was your plan going into this? When you practiced it, how many sets did it take you to do your chest to bar on both ends? And if he told you three sets and you go back and you watch the video and you see how many sets it took him to do those in person. And let’s say he’s taking a five second break in between. Just add those five seconds together. And then that’ll probably give you a roundabout estimate of how long it would’ve taken him.

Taylor Self (21:07):

Yeah. He probably had to break a few more times and he normally would have, you could assume

JR Howell (21:11):

So call it, say, say 20 to 30 seconds, at least by 20 to 30 seconds

Sevan Matossian (21:16):

Benefit the doubt. Let’s say 30 seconds faster. Yeah. That would’ve put him at eight minutes and two seconds, which would’ve put him in fourth place for this workout. Yep. And

Andrew Hiller (21:27):

Would’ve taken fifth

Sevan Matossian (21:29):

And would’ve increased his amount of points by uh, six places, which is 24 points. And then let’s go back to the, to see how he did 24 points. Would’ve put him at 4 48 and he’d be going to the CrossFit games. Oh shit.

JR Howell (21:45):

Well you asked about that question about syndicate and I thought back was there a pull up bar movement and there was that chunk of 60 chest to bar. So same situation. Yeah. You would’ve had one workout where the pull up bar came into play

Taylor Self (21:57):

And the last workout probably would’ve been a little challenging for him not to mention the handstand walk speed that was such and the GTS that were such a big deal in that long event. Do we

Andrew Hiller (22:07):

Get the logos on this call? <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (22:10):

Probably, he’s not everyone else I sent, um, uh, links to is in drug testing. Probably.

JR Howell (22:14):

I don’t know. He’s gonna wanna talk to us right now.

Andrew Hiller (22:17):

Do you want me to send a link to my six, three former teammate? And how much of an impact the short pull bars?

Sevan Matossian (22:22):

No, no, no.

Andrew Hiller (22:23):

I, I didn’t think

Sevan Matossian (22:24):

So. I’m just gonna send it to Greer. You’re gonna send it to Greer again. You’re just gonna send it to,

Andrew Hiller (22:29):

To the five, two female athlete.

Sevan Matossian (22:31):

You have two phone numbers in your phone, mine and onus that’s

Andrew Hiller (22:35):

How do you know?

Sevan Matossian (22:36):

Cause I just know small circle sport. You

Taylor Self (22:40):

Think he’s got a shot? The last chance Matt Lugo. That’s

Sevan Matossian (22:43):

What I was wondering too.

Taylor Self (22:45):

How did he do in on some online format? He, he, he can hit home runs, but then he is just got some things online that are so tough for him. It seems like

Andrew Hiller (22:54):

Seon yesterday. You asked your question about times that equipment had failed the athletes in the past or like hindered their ability to continue the workout. Noah Olson’s, uh, wheel barrel. Remember that was that 2015.

Sevan Matossian (23:06):

Oh, oh

Andrew Hiller (23:07):

Yeah. And also

Taylor Self (23:08):

Camil rower.

Andrew Hiller (23:09):

Camille’s rower and the assault runners in the regional where they did the triple three. Those were three times.

Sevan Matossian (23:16):

Uh, let’s start with the wheelbarrow. Didn’t he flip the wheelbarrow though.

Andrew Hiller (23:21):

Yeah, but it’s be, he didn’t flip it though. It broke. And then the next time they repeated the workout or no. Yeah. Just broke on him. Did he him a new wheel barrel

JR Howell (23:30):

On who?

Andrew Hiller (23:31):

No Olsen.

Sevan Matossian (23:32):

I remember that.

JR Howell (23:33):

Think it broke. I think it broke on Brandon Phillips the first time way. The very first time, the day I think Brandon Phillips will bear

Sevan Matossian (23:40):

Broke or dump. Definitely. Some people don’t

JR Howell (23:43):

Like, like broke,

Sevan Matossian (23:44):


Andrew Hiller (23:45):

Oh, that was before they had the rogue one.

Sevan Matossian (23:48):

And then it

Andrew Hiller (23:49):

Was broke as well. I’m I’m 95% sure. Actually didn’t check that video.

JR Howell (23:53):

Chad backs me up right here. Look at Chad’s comment. Brandon Phillips Willow broke in 2010.

Sevan Matossian (23:58):

What does Chad Knowler

Andrew Hiller (24:00):

Jones did really good on that last workout too. Chad there Jones. He, he almost football player. The last chance Chandler Jones.

JR Howell (24:06):

The football player.

Andrew Hiller (24:08):

No, the guy in the, uh, the, the guy who was underperforming all weekend, he finished an 11th.

Sevan Matossian (24:14):

Oh, here’s another one.

JR Howell (24:14):

Chandler Jones.

Sevan Matossian (24:15):

Yeah. Yeah. If you can say this guy’s name, I’ll give you a handy Hiller. Um,

Andrew Hiller (24:19):

No, his bike.

Sevan Matossian (24:21):

You, if you, if you were harder, harder, harder, son

Andrew Hiller (24:25):

Is that half th

Sevan Matossian (24:27):

I don’t know that did Noah’s bike break in, uh, Madison the first year,

Andrew Hiller (24:31):

The wheel popped off or not? Not the wheel. The pedal. The pedal.

Sevan Matossian (24:35):


Andrew Hiller (24:36):

Yeah. Those clipping pedals.

Sevan Matossian (24:37):

Here’s the thing with these examples. Great examples. Thank you guys. These are all things that were like completely out of anyone’s control. Yeah. But, but this bar that we’re talking about Degos is in the,

Andrew Hiller (24:50):

I know the difference between those two. So for everybody who tried to say, oh, back when Dave Castro was there, they wouldn’t have cut the ropes. Either one, it was never addressed before the event and two and every single one of these examples, they had a contingency plan. So when the pedal came off the bike, they had a backup bike. They had him stationed every so often the athletes were briefed like, Hey, go pick up your bike at this spot on the course, if something goes wrong. And then with the wheel barrel new wheel barrel <laugh>.

Taylor Self (25:13):

Yeah. But the only, the only exception of that is when Camille’s rower fucked up, it kind of was like, she was there crying and they were like, can’t do anything.

Sevan Matossian (25:21):

Hey, I will tell, I don’t know if it was that year. I think it was that year, but I’m not sure. But one year on the ground, uh, in, in the stadium, I can’t remember if it was Camille’s bike or rower, but the battery stopped. It must be the same story. The battery wasn’t working and she starts crying. Yep. And Travis bad’s on the floor and he’s the in-house commentator. And he just walks over to her and he goes, when I tell you to get off the bike, get off the bike. <laugh> he just told her like, when he saw a couple other girls go, he told her to get off. That’s how the problem was fixed. Just some random dude.

Andrew Hiller (25:56):


Sevan Matossian (25:56):

Yeah. Just taking control. Just alpha shit. Yeah. And no one’s like Travis, you can’t do that. Everyone’s like, all right.

JR Howell (26:02):

Goodson. Do you ever remember when Asia Barto was competing? He’s rubbed what? 6, 360 4 was, was were the pull up bars ever an issue for him?

Sevan Matossian (26:11):

I could ask him. Right? I could ask him question. That’s a great question. I don’t know. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and he’s

JR Howell (26:16):

And he’s the tallest guy I can think of. Mm-hmm <affirmative> from previous days,

Sevan Matossian (26:19):

He’s a long man. I feel like I’ve heard of the problem being around forever. And, and here’s the thing back in the day, I kind of agreed. Fuck you. It’s CrossFit. Like suck it up. Nothing’s fair. But now we’ve reached a point where they’re going so fast and we keep talking about it. I am concerned. Someone’s gonna get injured. They’re gonna hit their foot on the ground. They’re gonna throw their back out. They’re gonna fucking break an ankle. They’re gonna break a toe. I’m concerned. Someone’s gonna hurt themselves. And at that point it’s like, Hey, the, the fair fairness part, I don’t really care about too much. For some reason.

Andrew Hiller (26:47):


Sevan Matossian (26:48):

Like the injury part. I do care. Cuz life’s not fair. CrossFit’s never been fair. It’s not fair for Colton Mertons so I don’t know. That’s a good question. I’ll DM him. Maybe he’ll respond. Maybe he’s the comments in his game

Mattew Ouza (27:00):

Profile says he’s six, five

Sevan Matossian (27:03):

Asia’s mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah.

Taylor Self (27:05):

Holy fuck.

Sevan Matossian (27:07):

Yeah. He’s a big dude. Asia Barto.

Taylor Self (27:11):

And how tall is Kowski he’s six. Two.

Sevan Matossian (27:15):

Uh, yeah, I think he’s got 74 inches listed.

Andrew Hiller (27:18):

So how tall is that guy? Who just came out of the far east? That’s all I care about.

Sevan Matossian (27:21):

Oh. Did your feet hit the ground? Did your feet hit the, oh, Jamal’s calling. Did your feet hit the Jamal? Can you just, it’s not even a live call. Hold on, sorry, Jamal. This is like one of our biggest shows of the year. You can’t just like call in

Andrew Hiller (27:42):

Who’s Jamal.

Sevan Matossian (27:44):

Oh, is he not connected? What’s going on?

Mattew Ouza (27:46):

No. Yeah. Six, two. Are we

Andrew Hiller (27:50):

The final there?

Sevan Matossian (27:51):

Yeah. You can’t call in. This is like a, this is a big shot.

Jamal (27:59):

I’m just saying I’m just one time for the

Sevan Matossian (28:03):


Jamal (28:10):

Wanted, there is a shorter athlete. That’s able to get a riser to go to a pullup bar. Geez. Do you feel that it’s the same situation for an athlete? Who’s who’s too tall to have a pullup bar. That’s short.

Sevan Matossian (28:30):

I, I love you this way. I can’t turn this into the whole show. I love you. Let’s do this on the life culture. You’re the best of my love.

Taylor Self (28:36):

You talked about that

Sevan Matossian (28:37):

Yesterday. Whole debate. Yeah. Let me see. I’ll I’ll video. Uh, he he’s a good dude. Let’s see if I can get Asia Barto. Damn, I look good.

Mattew Ouza (28:47):

You just videoing him right

Sevan Matossian (28:47):

Now. Yeah. I’ve never done that on Instagram. You just video chat someone on his.

Andrew Hiller (28:51):

Did you pull up that clip? That clip of zoo said I sent you, you look just like zoo.

Sevan Matossian (28:54):

Is that a real dude?

Andrew Hiller (28:56):

Yeah. It’s a real

Sevan Matossian (28:57):

Dude. I don’t think those things are comparable by the way. Giving, giving Colton a booster. I didn’t, I don’t agree with Jamal and Kotler used that same example yesterday.

Taylor Self (29:05):

I used the example. Why don’t you agree?

Mattew Ouza (29:08):

Yeah, it is the same.

Taylor Self (29:11):

It’s exactly the same.

Sevan Matossian (29:14):

No, not

Taylor Self (29:15):

No, no. Why?

Sevan Matossian (29:17):

I, I need to think about it. I let me come let my big brain like come up with a metaphor or something for

Mattew Ouza (29:21):

You. If you’re, if you’re adjusting for height, you’re adjusting for height.

Andrew Hiller (29:26):

Why you

Mattew Ouza (29:27):

Even being cannot themselves taller and more shorter. Yeah. That’s what I’m saying. If you’re using something to, to help somebody shorter to make ’em taller. Why can’t you use the same exact login

Sevan Matossian (29:36):

That take something. Okay. And let’s okay then let’s lower the pullup bars. Another, you know what? Fuck. You’re right. Degos it’s not fair. We’re gonna lower the pullup all the pullup bars. Another foot, instead of raising them,

Andrew Hiller (29:47):

I’m saying all rows gonna come out with is one of those things where just like an easy clip extension to make the pull up bars adjustable for next year. Yeah. Click little pull bin. It’s gonna be an $800 addon to every rig for every section.

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