#435 – Granite Games Event 2 Recap | Danielle Brandon, Rebecca Fuselier, James Townsend, Hiller, Howell, Self

Sevan Matossian (00:03):

Andrew Hiller, Matt Sue is back in the house after working all day. CrossFit Livermore here got a baby in the house and we’re stoked to have James Townson on all day today, all

James Townsend (00:16):

Day, all day,

Sevan Matossian (00:18):

Buddy. Who’s on my deathbed. I’m a walking death. I couldn’t tell if I was going poop or vomit all day, but I’m here. I’m sitting on a toilet

Mattew Ouza (00:26):

And you look good on that shirt.

Sevan Matossian (00:28):

Thank you. Thank you. It’s a one of a kind Travis be you get

Mattew Ouza (00:31):

Sick. You get that shirt. You look good. Sick. So that’s a plus.

Sevan Matossian (00:35):

Thank you. Um, you <affirmative>, you wanna start with the drama? Let’s start with the drama,

Andrew Hiller (00:42):


Sevan Matossian (00:43):

Uh, I’m getting word from P uh, some, some real media that’s on scene that, um, that there’s some controversy about the platforms we saw that guy. I’m trying to forget. I’m trying to forget. I’m trying to remember his name. He was the guy with the man bun and they said his dad won the master’s competition. And, uh, I think it was the fittest man at 55 years old and older or something. I can’t remember his name and I, and I didn’t get my phone out in time to take the video, but basically this guy’s foot slipped forward while he had something big overhead, three 30, he was in a split. He was doing three 30 and you saw his front foot in the split. Um, slide forward. There was speculation from chase Ingram that it was possibly moisture or those little rubber pellets that, um, real athletes know about. And I don’t know shit about Jr. Any thoughts?

JR Howell (01:32):

He wasn’t the only one that I saw slip or at least look at the platform as if there was something slippery on it. So

Sevan Matossian (01:38):

Yeah, he turned around right? Disgruntled.

JR Howell (01:39):


Sevan Matossian (01:41):

Uh, what’s the deal with that? Is that just part of the game or is like, no, no, you can’t. Do you can’t that that can’t happen?

JR Howell (01:47):

Well, it’s definitely something that you want to try to prevent if possible,

Sevan Matossian (01:52):

Mr. Mr. Hiller,

Andrew Hiller (01:54):

It’s part of what happens when you have an outdoor event like that. They, they set up the platforms and I mean, it’s something that he could have taken care of himself. Just make sure there’s no turf on your freaking platform. Like you you’re at five minutes standing there, clean it off. Everyone else could deal with the same thing.

Sevan Matossian (02:11):

It’s probably gonna be a new protocol. Um, James, have you ever, have you ever been to any Olympic lifting competitions?

James Townsend (02:17):

Oh yeah.

Sevan Matossian (02:20):

Okay. Right. I assume. And, and they’re all indoor, right? None outdoor.

James Townsend (02:23):

Yeah. All indoor. And so you’ve never in a hotel or in a hotel or a convention center.

Sevan Matossian (02:28):

And have you ever seen that problem?

James Townsend (02:32):

Uh, um, unless it’s, unless it’s a girl, you know, peeing on the floor, which is, which is normal, but other than that, never, like Heather said, you have five minutes, four or five minutes to clean off your, your platform. So, I mean,

Sevan Matossian (02:48):

So it’s the new protocol. Now, all the coaches are gonna be telling their athletes, Hey, if that’s an outdoor event, go out there, clean off the

Andrew Hiller (02:53):

Platform. That’s just common sense though. Like that shouldn’t be something you need a coach to tell you, like you’re looking down and it’s wet, clean the fucking thing off if it’s <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (03:03):

Well, uh, Jr. Works with Jason Hopper and Taylor self. Is it common sense Jr?

JR Howell (03:10):

Uh, I would assume that when you’re out there, um, if they were given the opportunity to be out there and warm up, then they would know that ahead of time. But going out there in their first attempt being pretty heavy, maybe they don’t know until the first attempt. But after the fact, I mean, sprinkle chalk on the platform, do something.

Andrew Hiller (03:29):

It turns to mud.

Sevan Matossian (03:30):

It was that guy’s, I think final attempt. He did have a pretty strong, uh, position on it. I don’t know if you guys remembered, it looked like, I mean, he had a good chance of standing it up and then his foot came forward. So you’re saying that’s on the athletes. That’s not on, uh, that’s not on, uh, the organizers.

James Townsend (03:47):

Yeah, that’s on the athlete. I mean, I don’t, I mean, when I’m on a platform, I don’t even like to lift when there’s chalk, you know, because I, you know, going into a split truck, I might slip. So it’s common sense, like hill said,

Sevan Matossian (04:01):

All right. Alright. Well, that’s good. That’s one off of the, um, people who organize that event. That’s one thing that they don’t have to. Right? One thing they don’t have to worry about it won coming down.

Mattew Ouza (04:10):

I’d I’d be too fired up. You go out there and you’re like nervous. And it’s your first lift? Like, I don’t know. You guys said it was common sense, but I feel like I would be the one dude that would not do that

Andrew Hiller (04:19):

Better risk. Like, let’s say you slip Susan afterwards. You’d be like damnit. I should have known to check the platform. That’s

Mattew Ouza (04:26):

True. Yeah. That’s probably just my total lack of experience of uh, competitive profit.

Andrew Hiller (04:31):


Mattew Ouza (04:31):

I haven’t been to regional seller. So, you know,

Sevan Matossian (04:34):

And it’s probably the coach. It’s probably the coaches and managers who are feeling like that. They have to do their job and they have to say something. So they probably feel like if they don’t say something or if they’re not upset, they’re not doing their job.

Andrew Hiller (04:45):

I think the Anthony get slapped around by the coach. A little bit of you making that kind of an excuse.

Sevan Matossian (04:50):

Well, once again, it, it comes down. It’s consistent. It comes down to personal responsibility and accountability. Uh, how stoked was, is, is, uh, is Justin Koler to, uh, he is the most excited, um, coach out there. Did you see how excited he was when piece hit that 200?

James Townsend (05:09):

Justin’s the man. I like, he’s the man. I like Justin.

Sevan Matossian (05:14):

What do you like? He’s

JR Howell (05:14):


James Townsend (05:15):

He, um, you know, I’ve known him since, uh, 2014, since you know, we, we tried to do the grid. I don’t know if anybody remember grid. Sure do. Yeah. And, um, you know, he, you know, he always come up and talk to me and talk about my lifts and stuff and what I’m doing and my kids. And he’s just a great guy overall, man.

Sevan Matossian (05:35):

Is it, so you’re not surprised at all when you see this amazing camp, um, forming, forming over there with, with underground underdog athletics.

James Townsend (05:44):

Nope. Because he, you know, he was, the, his team was like the top team that was winning it every year during grid. So, you know, he, he clearly knows what he’s doing.

Andrew Hiller (05:56):

I heard he died down airs, hell hair purple. He’s the one who made her do it. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (06:04):

I scrutinized, uh, Maow Bryan’s last lift. I put it in slowmo and I looked at her feet and, um, I think it’s questionable. Did anyone else look at her feet? I think it’s questionable. Whether she had control in that final lift. Did anyone else take a look at that?

Andrew Hiller (06:22):

You’re a foot guy.

Sevan Matossian (06:24):

Well, here’s the thing. Her feet did go flat for a moment. She did that kind of twisty leg thing in the back there. I don’t know. Do we have a video of that?

Mattew Ouza (06:32):

Yeah, we do have the clip of it. I worry about the, the length of it. And so chugging <laugh> somebody the whole time I’ve been uploading these things. I’m like,

Sevan Matossian (06:41):

And, and here’s the thing. I mentioned it to a friend and the friend said, Hey, it’s not her fault. It’s the rest fault. And yeah, I’m not, I’m not, I’m not saying it is her fault. She can only do that much, but it didn’t, it didn’t stick out to any of you guys to look. I mean, she was doing some crazy footwork as she stood up one of her back feet, it looked like she was just punch drunk for a second. Did you see that back foot? Like, as it came up, it was doing the onesy twosy and then, and then it finally came forward and then she came up on her toes and the bar came down. No. Okay.

Andrew Hiller (07:07):

No, I know exactly what you’re talking about. And it looks like she ran out of platform. Correct? She was approaching the sign on the front end of it. Yeah. And then she like did what she could to try to stay there. And she got the call from the judge at the last second. And almost what you’re talking about is the call from the judge, correct? Like right. Did the judge call it too early? Yeah. Maybe. I don’t know. Maybe not, but the judge did call it. So

Mattew Ouza (07:29):

I haven’t seen the clip. What sevans talking about is her back foot definitely does slip and slide around a little

Sevan Matossian (07:34):

Bit, show a little shows, a little show, a little shows, the shows,

Andrew Hiller (07:38):

Give us us a

Sevan Matossian (07:54):

And so, and so what she does do is she comes forward and she gets flat footed and then she takes a step forward again. But when she takes that next step forward, she’s up on her toe. So I went Liz cave calls it stinky leg,

Andrew Hiller (08:08):


Sevan Matossian (08:10):

Okay, fine, fine, fine. Brad, Brad says I saw seven. It was closed, but she got the rip. Okay, fine. You’re the new, you’re the new Hiller of the podcast.

Andrew Hiller (08:18):

<laugh> Brad.

Mattew Ouza (08:20):

It was good. She had,

Andrew Hiller (08:22):

In that instance, you don’t blame the athlete because the athlete did exactly what she was told. She, the judge gave her the sign to put it down and she put it down. That’s all. I mean, if anything, it was on the judge for giving her a sign too early because she didn’t have control control at the end of it and happened a couple of cases over the course of the lift. Like, I mean, especially in the final one where they’re struggling to keep it too early. What about lot too early?

Sevan Matossian (08:46):

What about Phil tomb? We saw him get a three 30, uh, a 3 35. That was a good lift. And then we saw him do 3 35 again. Did we ever get clarity on that? What happened?

Andrew Hiller (08:55):

I saw him do it again.

Sevan Matossian (08:57):

Yeah. Didn’t he do 3 35 twice. Do you guys see that?

Andrew Hiller (08:59):

He went oh, 5 25.

JR Howell (09:02):


Sevan Matossian (09:03):

Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, something, something hap something happened there. Then maybe when I saw him there, it said that his last lift was 3 0 5. I think something weird happened there. Nope. You guys didn’t follow that either. Am I the only one who watched this or am I just making shit up? Cause I’m fucking so sick.

JR Howell (09:16):

Well, the guy that was lifting with him, well, you know, the guy that was lifting with him, Bunton, uh, chase, its thought that maybe he got a no rep on his second complex for some reason, but he went up anyway and then hit 3 45.

Sevan Matossian (09:28):

Right. He did on his 3 35. He jerked it. And then when I saw him put it down, he looked at his ref like this really?

Andrew Hiller (09:36):

That was on the second lift.

Sevan Matossian (09:37):

Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. On the second lift. Correct.

Andrew Hiller (09:39):

And then he went up and hit the 3 45 anyway. Yeah. I think what everyone was talking about on Phil’s lips were that little launch off of his shoulders, which what looked like before he completed the lifts. And what we talked about in the show this morning was over in the far east, the judge was telling ’em when they could move the bar off of their shoulders. And I think that’s a big miss on well shit, because I, I have people who are telling me that they’re given crosses handing out a handbook on the workouts that were standardized. And if over in the far east, they’re pointing at each other saying that you think that it was part of the things handed out by CrossFit to these events, like indicate when the red is complete. But the far east was the only group doing that. And that would’ve fixed that issue with bill at least.

Sevan Matossian (10:20):

Yeah. And he did pop the bar off his, off his shoulders. Correct? Is that correct? One of the times he did do that. Someone said in his first lift, he was popping the bar off the shoulders.

Andrew Hiller (10:30):

Uh, Brandon Woodell. I get on people when they’re doing things within the online competition, because it’s both on the judge and the athlete in that instance. And when you’re in a live competition, all the athletes doing is listen to the judge, go bullshit yourself.

Sevan Matossian (10:43):

Yeah. Brandon <laugh> uh, seven on his delusion with all the meds. No, actually I didn’t, I haven’t been on any meds today. I’m gonna take ’em. All right. Before I go to bed,

Andrew Hiller (10:51):

What do they expect? Meow Brian to do in that instance? Like just say not,

Sevan Matossian (10:55):

I don’t think it’s on, I don’t think it’s unhear at all.

Andrew Hiller (10:56):

Take back by 2 25 lift. You’re right. I didn’t have control.

Mattew Ouza (11:00):

No, there’s no way that’s the downside was given. It’s a good, there’s no question about

Andrew Hiller (11:05):

It. What is wrong with people? Judge made the call. I’m gonna, I’m gonna get all your freaking people off the show. Seon. Cut me off. Talk about something else.

Sevan Matossian (11:14):


Andrew Hiller (11:14):

Don’t show

Mattew Ouza (11:15):

You triggered hill or don’t

Andrew Hiller (11:16):

Be triggered. Don’t show me those comments. <laugh> are you who’s bringing those up? Is it Caleb?

Sevan Matossian (11:20):

It’s me. It’s me. Hey, that’s you

Mattew Ouza (11:22):

Caleb. It’s Caleb. Get,

Sevan Matossian (11:24):

I was watching Sam whale quant today and I realized that, um, the games that I was working in behind the scenes, his, his rookie year, I think he won heavy DT,

JR Howell (11:38):

Heavy or double. It was

Sevan Matossian (11:40):

One of the two. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a barbell complex. And so I started tripping like, okay. Maybe he, maybe his sickness really did Jack him up and we’re watching a miracle in front of us, but, but, um, does, does cycling a barbell translate to being super strong?

Andrew Hiller (11:56):


James Townsend (11:57):

No. No. And how

Andrew Hiller (11:59):

Is that line? I mean, sometimes you would think someone like Anthony Davis would have an upper hand, but usually it’s just efficiency of movement.

Sevan Matossian (12:06):

Ah, ah, and fatigue

James Townsend (12:08):

And fatigue.

Andrew Hiller (12:09):

And then also sometimes someone like Anthony Davis, when he has all that muscle mess, it might require more oxygen him quicker over the course of a barbell cycling movement. James’s like, yeah, I know <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (12:21):

Hey, do you call bullshit on that? On that? Um, I I’m just out here working out. I’m just, I’m just out here having fun.

James Townsend (12:29):

Uh, I mean, you know, he knew he was gonna win that workout. He, it was his took him to grab, so you know, it, I would’ve thought it would’ve been okay that he was like, you know what? This is my one workout that I knew. I went for sure. So, you know, I was going for it, but yeah, he did good.

Sevan Matossian (12:45):

He did great. He said that on my podcast too. And I believed it. But now that I see him out there and he’s on the TV set in my living room, I’m like, there’s no way this dude takes this shit lightly. I call bullshit. I send him the video too. Maybe if he responds, I’ll send him a link and we’ll ask him, do you think he trains his ass off?

James Townsend (13:01):

Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Sevan Matossian (13:04):

All right. So we do call bullshit. You

James Townsend (13:06):

Know, he cycles a lot too. He cycles a lot of heavy weight. You know, if you watch his videos, I think last week he was doing like three 15 or three 20. He did like three 15 for 10. You know what, um, um, full, I think it was outta the floor. Hang, I think it was full, full squat.

Andrew Hiller (13:22):

Oh, geez.

James Townsend (13:23):


Sevan Matossian (13:24):

Hey, you think we’re gonna see him? I get time capped on the, uh, rope climb.

Andrew Hiller (13:29):

No, I would bet that he’s probably gonna jump halfway up the rope and he’s a pretty good runner. He, he, I think he did really well last year, if not won the running event with the thrusters last year, the granite games

Sevan Matossian (13:41):

I don’t did we watch this earlier? Is this the one he cycles?

Andrew Hiller (13:45):

We have not seen this yet today.

James Townsend (13:51):

Wow. Look at that.

Sevan Matossian (14:01):

Woo. We don’t know how much that is. Do we?

James Townsend (14:06):

I think that’s 45. Yeah. 45.

Andrew Hiller (14:11):


Sevan Matossian (14:12):

Someone wrote 400 or we riot James is that day coming?

James Townsend (14:20):


Sevan Matossian (14:21):

Uh, some we’re gonna see someone do something like that at the games with 400 pounds.

James Townsend (14:25):


Sevan Matossian (14:25):


James Townsend (14:26):

No. We’ll never see.

Sevan Matossian (14:28):

No, not in our lifetime. You

Andrew Hiller (14:29):

Don’t think we’re never gonna see a 400 pound anything at the games?

Sevan Matossian (14:33):

Well, there’ll be a 400 pound deadlift.

James Townsend (14:35):


Andrew Hiller (14:36):

Not this complex. What do you not think? We’ll see. 400 of James

James Townsend (14:42):

Power, power, clean

Andrew Hiller (14:44):

Power, clean

James Townsend (14:45):

Power, clean to, to could have been close one year when he was on the team. He could have been close. I think he did like 3 75 or 3 85, but it looked like he could have went heavier, but

Andrew Hiller (15:00):

Yeah, no. So then how about the California hormone games? Four pound power.

Sevan Matossian (15:04):

Yes. For sure. Hey, uh, do you know about this games? I’m doing James.

James Townsend (15:10):

No we’re

Sevan Matossian (15:11):

Game. I’m doing an event like in a year, uh, with a $500,000 first prize and, uh, um, no testing. <laugh> just gonna be just a copy of the CrossFit games, but it’s called the California hormone games and I think still think Justin’s gonna come and win, but we’re gonna see some weird shit, like killer said, that would be such an awesome story. Someone’s gonna, someone’s gonna clean 500 pounds in blood pour outta their nose. And <laugh>,

Andrew Hiller (15:35):

There was an old video of Dave talking about the future of the games and somebody would have like a sub five minute run and a 400 pound clean 600 pound bag squad. I don’t remember exactly the numbers, but I think a 400 pound clean was totally in there. And it wasn’t power, which is what you’re saying, James. So I think GE probably has a 400 pound clean right now. Don’t you think? Oh

James Townsend (15:55):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got, he got about four 15. Wow. Uh, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (16:01):

Um, you think Gee’s gonna go over 3 55, I guess he doesn’t have to. So he,

James Townsend (16:06):

He doesn’t

Andrew Hiller (16:07):

Have Z scoring.

Sevan Matossian (16:10):

Uh, there was a comment that Travis may made that I thought was interesting regarding, um, longevity. Um, he said that Travis may, uh, chase Ingram said it. Uh, Travis mayor is the only athlete from the class of 2013 at the CrossFit game, still competed, meaning he showed up at the 2013 CrossFit games and he, and, and no one else who showed up that year is still competing. Um, what is the, what is the life cycle of the games athlete? Do we know? Can you say

Andrew Hiller (16:40):


Sevan Matossian (16:42):

Hmm. Is it fun? Is it thankless that you know what they did also, they, they compared they compared Travis Mayer, Cole, Sager, and Noah Olson, all to each other. Did you hear that in the commentary? It’s kind of like never getting enough love. I thought that was, I mean, I agree with, uh, Travis Mayer, but I think Cole ser and, uh, Noah have gotten tons of love.

Andrew Hiller (17:03):

How much, how many followers has Travis have on there? Like 30, 40,000,

Sevan Matossian (17:07):


Andrew Hiller (17:08):


Sevan Matossian (17:08):

Pretty good. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (17:10):

You say 6,000

Sevan Matossian (17:11):

Less than James’s girls

Andrew Hiller (17:13):

And almost eight times games, less than James’s girls

Sevan Matossian (17:17):

And, and the guy’s good. Andy’s beautiful. And he’s a family man and blah, blah, blah, and blah, blah. I mean, it’s, it’s like, holy shit. Doesn’t stop with him.

James Townsend (17:26):

He’s a good dude. He is, he is,

Andrew Hiller (17:29):

Andy’s doing incredibly well this weekend thus far. He and he will. He’ll continue to.

Sevan Matossian (17:34):

Yeah. Um, so, so, so what do there’s Berman? Uh, so, so what do we think? What’s what, what is the, has anyone ever looked at that broken that down? Like most people only last two years than, you know, it just gets fewer and fewer until there’s only like two people at the top. Is, is it that? Yeah,

JR Howell (17:51):

That’s an interesting stat. Yeah. I mean the sports team, you know, a lot. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think they’re too young, you know, you can look at the NFL and James can speak to this way more. But I think the average, um, average career is what, two years? Maybe like on average, three

James Townsend (18:04):

Years, three years. Three years.

JR Howell (18:05):

Yeah. It’s, it’s, it’s been, it’s been a sport for long enough that we can actually look at that stuff. I feel like it’s probably gonna take another 20 years for us to say with the average, average age coming in and average age, going out as far as when you don’t make the games anymore.

Sevan Matossian (18:19):

Okay. Let’s come in through a different door. Why be we had Ben Smith on? He said, he’s the fittest he’s ever been. How come he’s he’s he’s our former games champ.

James Townsend (18:29):

Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Sevan Matossian (18:31):

He can,

James Townsend (18:31):

He’s been, he’s been in it since oh nine, right?

Sevan Matossian (18:34):

Yes. So he is the fittest he’s ever been. He’s a former games champ, and he is not going to the, he didn’t go to the games last year either, right?

JR Howell (18:43):

No mm-hmm.

Sevan Matossian (18:44):

And two years before that, did he go? No,

JR Howell (18:46):

Didn’t he get he that year? He got the wild card in 2019.

Sevan Matossian (18:50):

So he got the wild card in 20, 19, 20, 20. Didn’t go 20, 21. He didn’t go in 20, 22. He didn’t go. But he is the fittest he’s ever been. So I’m coming at from a, another angle. You sort of see that like, like why not have other people gotten that much fitter? He says, he’s the fittest you guys were here.

James Townsend (19:05):

Yeah. I think, I think these, uh, these guys and girls are just getting better, you know? Um, I personally believe the, the teens, they got, they got a cheat code to where they can get comfortable and used to training CrossFit for so many years. And then, you know, peak early, you know, at, at, at, at a early age, you know, from mal, from Emma, then tutor and now D and James it’s like

Sevan Matossian (19:33):

Cursed at her Olivia cursed at her

JR Howell (19:36):


James Townsend (19:36):

I mean, she would, she would’ve destroyed that the, the, uh, complex

JR Howell (19:41):

Mm-hmm <affirmative>,

James Townsend (19:42):

You know, so, um, yeah. I mean, man. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (19:48):

When you say, when you say that they’re coming in earlier, do you think that that means they’re gonna be leaving earlier too, or you think they’re gonna have long, long we’re gonna see longer careers?

James Townsend (19:56):

I think, I think that depends on the coach on how well the coach grooms and, and, and manage their, their training, their, um, competition level. Um, I think what Olivia did is smart to where, you know, she’s, she said, you know what, I’m not going to put my hat in the elite just yet. I could go ahead and, and still, you know, um, keep the, keep the numbers on, on my life cycle for CrossFit as a CrossFit for so long, and rather than, you know, hopping into the elite and, you know, tearing down my numbers or, you know, beating up upper body early.

Sevan Matossian (20:36):

That was a, that was a 3 95 deadlift. It was a 40 pound PR who does a 40 pound PR

James Townsend (20:42):


JR Howell (20:43):

I’ll tell you who teenagers. Yeah. Someone’s

Andrew Hiller (20:46):

Still on their way up. That’s what James just said. They had a cheat code,

Sevan Matossian (20:51):

James. Uh don’t don’t are you sitting? Downhiller you’re gonna start swooning. You’re gonna, you might even feel a little movement in your pants. When I ask James this, James, you think the sport is clean at the top,

James Townsend (21:04):

You know, uh, I’ll put it like this. There there’s an exception for exceptional players, you know, that’s it’s and that’s where I come in, where it’s like, you know, if you’re, if you’re the topic and you have so many followers and this and that, and you’re building, you’re able to, to attract so many people to the sport and contribute, there’s it exception made for you. If you’re, if you don’t have that following and you know, you make it to the games or whatever, it’s easier to go ahead. And just,

Sevan Matossian (21:35):

That is not true. Hiller. What he is saying is not fucking true.

Andrew Hiller (21:40):

What he was saying. I was like, whistle, oh, here’s whistle or head.

James Townsend (21:47):

I’m saying that I don’t, I don’t think there’s anybody there, but you know, in the sport of, of football, there’s an exception made for exceptional players. So if you are the top tier guy,

Sevan Matossian (21:57):

He’s saying there’s favoritism, he’s there’s favoritism.

James Townsend (22:01):

That’s no brainer.

Andrew Hiller (22:03):

That’s no brain. You’re saying, you’re saying someone like LeBron, James NNA, and the NBA will never pop.

James Townsend (22:08):

Never why? That, that, that, that would damage the brand. He brings, he, he literally him not being in the, in the playoffs could drop ratings. Like

Andrew Hiller (22:20):

That’s I just read that comment.

James Townsend (22:21):

Yeah. That’s how that that’s how good, you know. Okay. I’m only

Sevan Matossian (22:25):

Gonna ask you one. I’m only gonna put you guys on the spot with one person. Jr. Is Travis Mayer clean?

Andrew Hiller (22:30):


Sevan Matossian (22:32):

Hell is Travis Mayer clean? Yes, James is Travis may. Hey, cuz you don’t got enough followers on Instagram to be dirty. You guys are crazy. I’m telling you. I used to work there. These guys don’t listen to these guys. Oh my goodness. Jar jar. Before I switch to subjects, I gotta know. I really wish I wouldn’t opened this can of worms. Uh, but I, I can’t stop. It’s like a, a my athlete’s foot. Um, would you agree with Hiller and Townsend? You think that there’s, uh, there’s special love for people at the top.

Andrew Hiller (23:00):

I’d like to think that there isn’t

Sevan Matossian (23:01):

Good boy. Good job, Mr. Good job.

Andrew Hiller (23:04):

I, I always chalk it up to you’re. You’re born. You have a certain threshold. You can train to the threshold. And for some people, the threshold is higher than others. I’d like, no matter how much training and how perfect you do everything, you’ll never beat that person based upon their birthright and performance enhancing drugs will alter that. James, what do you think about that?

Sevan Matossian (23:27):

Oh, I can’t wait. We can’t when I have James on, I’m having you on too. So you guys can just <laugh> you guys can just whoop my ass. You guys can just, just one more thing.

Andrew Hiller (23:41):

Like you go look at the, the NFL and let’s say there’s Tom Brady. And let’s say he’s a genetic elite and he’s completely clean. We never know. But like then there’s someone like, uh, Ben Rothberg. Who’s good, but was never as good as Tom Brady can win as many super bowls. If he’s on performance testing drugs, it brings him to the level of a Tom Brady. But let’s just say they’re both clean and they’re here and here. It’s like, now they’re here and here like that. That’s how I’ve always looked at.

Sevan Matossian (24:05):

Is, is LeBron on? Is that why he got so big? Like that? I thought he, you think he’s on,

James Townsend (24:10):

He, he just out outlier he the 1% or the 1%?

Sevan Matossian (24:13):


James Townsend (24:14):

You know?

Sevan Matossian (24:14):

Yeah. He doesn’t. I never, I never even think of basketball players as doing drugs.

Andrew Hiller (24:19):

It’s U it’s usually the recovery drugs cuz of the, the type of sport they’re playing.

Sevan Matossian (24:23):

Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, do you watch, uh, do you watch, um, uh, UFC any of you guys?

Andrew Hiller (24:28):

Oh yeah. I, yeah, if we’re going before seeing drugs, I know everything about that in the UFC

Sevan Matossian (24:32):

That’s uh that’s that’s that line that, uh, Colby, Covington used to always use the CEO of EPO. Hey, um, you do, do you watch every Saturday, James?

James Townsend (24:44):

Oh yeah. Yeah. I used to train UFC fighters.

Sevan Matossian (24:47):

Wow. Anyone? Anyone? I know.

James Townsend (24:50):


Sevan Matossian (24:51):

Don’t don’t click tailor in don’t click tailor.

James Townsend (24:54):

Um, you ever heard of black house Jim in Torrance?

Sevan Matossian (24:59):


James Townsend (25:01):


Sevan Matossian (25:02):

Soon as Taylor comes in, my, my mic starts echoing

Taylor Self (25:05):

They’re all on steroids. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (25:11):

And then he signs off

Sevan Matossian (25:13):

Taylor. We got an echo with you buddy.

Taylor Self (25:16):

I’ll fix it.

Sevan Matossian (25:16):

Thank you.

James Townsend (25:18):

So that’s where, uh, Leo, Leo Maita and Anderson silver and all them used to train out of, um, okay. One of my close friends, uh,

Sevan Matossian (25:26):

In LA Torrance LA like torr, California. Okay. Yeah.

James Townsend (25:29):

Yeah. One of my close friends, James Mutare he used to fight in, um, UFC. So I used to just train him in boxing. So to, so

Sevan Matossian (25:37):

I got this show that I’ve started doing for UFC, um, uh, the day before UFC and I got, uh, the, the hundred 71 pound, uh, we weight Darion weeks. Who’s uh, my co-host and uh, Justin Nunley both super popular guys. Justin’s like a talk sensation. All he does is make fun of us the whole time. And then Darien says smart shit. I I’ll love to have you on Friday. You wanna come on with us? Yeah,

James Townsend (25:59):


Sevan Matossian (26:00):

Cool. Awesome. Okay. Well the show’s over. Thank you for coming.

Taylor Self (26:05):

<laugh> Hey,

Andrew Hiller (26:06):

We gotta go prepare for the, the UFC show

Sevan Matossian (26:08):

Soon as we all pretend to log off, just come back on soon as Taylor’s off.

Taylor Self (26:12):

Wow. Hey, did you, uh, did you guys talk about Rebecca F’s comment yet?

Sevan Matossian (26:17):

Oh, let’s do that now. Let’s do that. Now that what a great, uh, do you wanna pull her up SU or do you want me to do it? You’ll pull her up. Okay. That’s great.

Andrew Hiller (26:27):


Sevan Matossian (26:27):

Give us the

Andrew Hiller (26:27):

Back story.

Sevan Matossian (26:28):

Give us the backstory on that. Taylor, what happened? I forget. I thought it was a Hiller Jr. Who said it, but it was you, you

Taylor Self (26:34):

Blamed it on Hiller cuz he’s usually the controversial one, but I think I was actually being pretty controversial. It was mm. I rescind that. I don’t think it was controversial at the time she proved me wrong. So I was, we were talking about ladies that could qualify. Her name came up cuz James Sprague mentioned her. And I was like, oh, that’s the girl who does all those ridiculous talks and reals.

Andrew Hiller (26:56):

I don’t think that’s what you said. I think you would need to requote yourself. It was a little different.

Taylor Self (27:00):

What did I say?

Andrew Hiller (27:01):

You said she’s only popular because she has gained traction through tickling

James Townsend (27:06):


Taylor Self (27:10):

Whatever, dude, fuck that. She should have tagged me and it would’ve been way.

Sevan Matossian (27:12):

She schooled your shit. I love it. I love

Taylor Self (27:14):

It. You see my comment? I said, who would say something like that?

Sevan Matossian (27:18):

Oh no, I missed that, but Hey Rebecca, the greatest part is, is that Taylor just outed himself. Patrolling your account. It’s like, Hey, we had Daniel, Brandon on one time and she’s just telling us all the dudes who troll her account cuz she could see them in her story. It was so good. That’s fine. Some great stories. Um, is she too small? Let’s let’s let’s tear her up a little bit. Is she too small or is she, is she the, is she, I mean she looks like she like a, a, a mall O’Brien 2.0 maybe or, or 0.5

Andrew Hiller (27:44):

Too small. For what?

Sevan Matossian (27:46):

For CrossFit? To put three, put three 15 over her head.

Andrew Hiller (27:49):

She just qualified for the game. Clearly. She’s doing just fine. Right?

Sevan Matossian (27:54):

All right. Cool.

Andrew Hiller (27:55):

That’s all I gotta say about that. Maybe next year.

Sevan Matossian (27:57):

We’ll see. Cause you don’t want her making a TikTok video about you smashing you. You

Taylor Self (28:00):

Wanna make a TikTok about him Rebecca? Come on.

Andrew Hiller (28:04):

She’s oh, the shortest is good, right? Unless she has birds on.

Sevan Matossian (28:10):

Um, let’s talk about that for a second. Do you think that we’re gonna see the women get bigger? Tia is Tia. The perfect CrossFiting size for a woman or, or she even she’s a little small. You think she’s perfect size? I

James Townsend (28:21):

Think she’s perfect.

Sevan Matossian (28:23):

And what is she? She’s like 5, 5, 1 50?

Taylor Self (28:26):

No, she’s like one 40.

Andrew Hiller (28:28):

The game profile says 1 25.

Sevan Matossian (28:31):


Taylor Self (28:31):

I think she’s like 1 35, 1 40 right now.

Andrew Hiller (28:35):

Probably 40.

Sevan Matossian (28:36):

Can we go over to the Torian pro and look at that up. Her shoulders are 1 25

James Townsend (28:42):


Taylor Self (28:42):

She’s she’s yoed.

Sevan Matossian (28:45):

Uh oh, of course. It’s it’s 58 kilograms. I don’t know what that is. And 163 centimeters.

Andrew Hiller (28:51):

What are you, what are you talking about?

James Townsend (28:53):

It’s like 1 30, 1, 1

Andrew Hiller (28:56):

It’s 1 28, right?

James Townsend (29:02):


Sevan Matossian (29:02):

I’m doing it right now. So it says she’s uh, it says she’s 5, 360 3 0.7 inches.

Andrew Hiller (29:11):

And the kilogram conversion.

Sevan Matossian (29:13):

Uh, 58 kg pounds sounds. Wow. That can’t be right. 1 27 0.8.

Andrew Hiller (29:22):

That’s what I said almost

Sevan Matossian (29:23):

It is. It is. I’m gonna give it to you.

Andrew Hiller (29:26):

Thank you,

Sevan Matossian (29:27):

James. What did you say? What’s just wrong. Just more stats that we can’t get, cuz we’re not a professional sport.

James Townsend (29:32):

Yeah, basically. Well, I would’ve never, I would never, I never guess she was under one 30. Never.

Andrew Hiller (29:39):

I bet. That’s her weight lifting weight. Is that what she lifted at? When she was doing the uh, whatever the Olympics? What? The Olympics? Yeah. Wow. And then she’s plugged. She’s plugged it.

Sevan Matossian (29:51):

I’m gonna, I’m gonna text Shane. He never responds, but I’ll text him pain or how, how,

Andrew Hiller (29:57):

How much, how much is your wife weigh? Does.

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