#434 – Granite Games Event 1 | Colten Mertens, James Townsend, Andrew Hiller, J.R. Howell, Self

James Townsend (00:00):

Who, who we got the bat signals on.

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam. We’re live. Say that again?

James Townsend (00:04):

Who we got the bat signals on.

Sevan Matossian (00:06):

Oh yeah. Yeah. Somebody, somebody before we, before we get dark, I want, I wanna do this real quick. I, uh, quick, I wanna congratulate a, uh, CrossFit games, uh, athlete from long ago, UHT for Tendo, uh, today. Oh,

James Townsend (00:20):

Wow. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (00:21):

She home birthed. Uh, she home birthed twins.

James Townsend (00:26):

No, gee, that’s a OG right there

Sevan Matossian (00:29):

Doing it, doing it. You

James Townsend (00:31):

Saying her thing? She would’ve killed his workout cuz she, she was a gymnast later, man.

Sevan Matossian (00:35):

Yeah. And uh, let’s be clear too, in California, that is illegal women. Those of you who want your women’s rights to have twins at home in the state of California is illegal. I don’t know if it’s in Florida.

Andrew Hiller (00:44):

No shit.

Sevan Matossian (00:44):

She had twins at home. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (00:46):

What are they gonna do arrest you? They sent later to jail.

Sevan Matossian (00:52):

I mean, I don’t know. I don’t know what the rules are in Florida, but I think that guy over there,

Andrew Hiller (00:56):

I think you could you imagine sitting in a jail cell, it’s like, what are you in for? It’s like, I gave birth at home to twins.

James Townsend (01:03):


Andrew Hiller (01:04):

And then you like, oh, I killed six people. It’s like,

Sevan Matossian (01:08):

Um, what, I, I really enjoyed this Jr. Do we, do we love this event? Do we like watching it?

JR Howell (01:14):

Uh, yeah. I mean, it was fun to watch. It took the athletes to a point where they either need to make a calculated risk or wait. So I mean, in that respect, if that’s what they were going for, they succeeded there.

Sevan Matossian (01:25):

Um, uh, you weren’t here James, but I’ve I was pushing yesterday or I don’t think you were here. I was pushing about how CrossFits um, there’s this evolution with FRAND where it was just do Fran and then do it unbroken and then move the bar closer. And then, and then butterfly and then, and then pull the bar down. And eventually there were no transitions there. It’s not pull up and thrusters. It’s all just one fluid thing. Like driving, it’s not switching lanes. You flow. Right?

James Townsend (01:48):


Sevan Matossian (01:49):

A perfect example of this was mall O’Brien mm-hmm <affirmative> and, and I’m gonna, and I’m gonna show you a video of, uh, Travis Mayer does it and, and, and, and the conflict I have here is this chase says it’s okay to break. No, ma O’Brien said it in the beginning. It’s not, or at the end, it’s not okay to break. This is two minutes as hard as you can go. And there kind of aren’t two separate movements from the push standpoint. I wanna, I wanna show you this. Um, I wanna show you this. I know you guys are actually, listen. I appreciate you guys bearing with me here. Okay? Watch, watch, uh, Travis Mayer’s body here. He’s finishing his thrusters. He’s putting the bar down, watch it.

Speaker 5 (02:24):

Travis Mayer is

Sevan Matossian (02:25):

Already bent over already.

Speaker 5 (02:29):

Travis Mayer. Travis mayor is that the handstand walks. And again, he’s the first one there.

Sevan Matossian (02:33):

And if you don’t do that shit, you are not winning the CrossFit games. You might not, as soon, you won’t even be going to the CrossFit games. And I think it’s those transitions that have finally made this a legitimate sport. Now you just walk in from just any like anywhere and be like, Hey, I can do Fran in three minutes. It’s not fast enough.

Andrew Hiller (02:50):

Right. Did you watch all three heats or did you just watch the final heats?

Sevan Matossian (02:53):

I watched, I watched everything. I was dead on the couch. I was dead on the couch and then I was shot up with testosterone so I could get off the couch.

Andrew Hiller (02:59):

Oh baby. I dunno if it, I only it works that quick.

James Townsend (03:02):


Andrew Hiller (03:02):

But <laugh> but uh, the biggest difference from heat to heat was what you were just saying. Right? There was the transition from the handstand walk, the barbell. It’s almost like they stayed hunched over to put their hands on the ground, stayed hunched over to pick up the barbell. Those were the final heats, but also the thruster kits. There were people there I’m like interesting. These are the semifinal athletes and it’s because the, just the thruster kits was so slow. And then you see people like Mertons too. And me, O’Brien just kind of flying through ’em compared to the first heat. It’s like interesting. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (03:30):

<laugh> how about the Kowski pause in the hole? Not pause. Sorry. That’s not fair, but like a compression. He, he, he moves differently in the hole. Do you guys see that? He’s not, he’s not, he, he comes outta the hole, slow, like something that would make you concerned that maybe he only has a few reps left, but he doesn’t. Did you guys notice that? I wish I could pull it up. No,

Andrew Hiller (03:50):

I’m unfamiliar with the, the palki compression. All right. Technique.

Sevan Matossian (03:55):

Um, uh, one more, uh, bit of, um, house cleaning to do. Jr. Did you work out with Jason today? Ja Mr. Hopper?

JR Howell (04:02):

No, he worked out with me.

Sevan Matossian (04:03):

Oh, okay. Good. Perfect.

JR Howell (04:05):

And he, no, he, uh, I did. I worked, I did something very short with him earlier today.

Sevan Matossian (04:09):

Yes. And can you tell us what it was and who won?

JR Howell (04:13):

Uh, cannot.

Sevan Matossian (04:14):

Okay, fine. That’s good. Can you tell us who won?

JR Howell (04:18):

Uh, no. Jason.

James Townsend (04:20):


Sevan Matossian (04:21):

You’re a good dude. Is that a good coach, James?

James Townsend (04:24):

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I concur. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (04:27):

Either way. It’s a losing answer if Jr says it

James Townsend (04:29):

Either way, right?

Andrew Hiller (04:31):


Sevan Matossian (04:33):

Um, something I thought was very clever, that chase said in event one, sorry, as my brain falls outta my nose here. Um, when the, the, when the handstand walk is a weapon, you can push the thrusters and that was in reference to, um, Maow. O’Brien you guys have any thoughts on that, Mr. Howell?

JR Howell (04:52):

Yeah, I think, uh, going back to what you said about the thruster cadence and what, uh, Hiller was saying about thruster, cadence. I think people who go a little more slow and methodical on the thrusters, have the handstand walk in the back of their mind. They’re thinking about that round of 21, the ones that attack the thrusters are the ones that don’t care about the handstand. Walt, they’re gonna attack that movement regardless.

Andrew Hiller (05:14):

You think? So

Sevan Matossian (05:15):

I need that. Explain to me, explain that to me. I’m not following that. Explain that to don’t you have to attack all of it.

James Townsend (05:22):

It, it depends, you know, like, um, Tim Paulson said in his, uh, interview, you know, he’s good on his hands, under fatigue. So he could go all out on the thrusters and be able to hop right into, on his hands because he’s good on his hands, under fatigue to whereas other athletes who aren’t good on his hands under fatigue would go slow. Methodical. There was a couple athletes who put the, the bar, the, the 21 bar down and then had to breathe and think about it.

Sevan Matossian (05:54):


James Townsend (05:54):

You know, before they go. So, and we saw everybody, everybody was dropping down at the, at the yellow tape, but Tim Pulson was able to keep going

Sevan Matossian (06:04):

Point from Paul in the handstand walk was a weapon. Sorry, go ahead. Hiller.

Andrew Hiller (06:09):

When are you bringing up Chandler Smith? I know you’ve got your notes.

Sevan Matossian (06:11):

I, I, I actually don’t have Chandler Smith because by the time, um, he was, uh, finishing, I had run to the bathroom.

Andrew Hiller (06:18):

Well, because I feel like this be a good point in time to bring up Chandler Smith, bring him up and how he finished 18th in this event. And Jr. And James, what do you guys think the issue was there? Cause I have my opinion, but I’ll share after you share yours, if you have one.

JR Howell (06:33):

So, so, so when I saw him finishing up that workout, I actually immediately thought granite games last year, the final ended with double dumbbell, overhead walking lunges with seventies. And he crushed that.

Andrew Hiller (06:47):

Like I remember watching really

JR Howell (06:49):

Well. So it, I mean, there, you know, they’re two totally different workouts, you know, I think it was like row rope climb and, uh, devil press and ended with a lunge. Right. So very different workouts, but still a lot of shoulder fatigue at the end. So yeah. It’s interesting. James,

Andrew Hiller (07:03):

James, do you have an opinion?

James Townsend (07:05):

Um, I would just say it comes down to the mechanics. You know, I was watching the way he, uh, I know he has some, some mobility limitations, so I would, I was really intrigued by the way he was doing his thrusters,

Andrew Hiller (07:17):

You know, that’s what I was gonna bring up and how it limited his ability to handstand walk. Right,

James Townsend (07:21):

Right. Correct.

Sevan Matossian (07:23):

Why how’s he doing his thrusters? How’s he doing his thrusters?

Andrew Hiller (07:25):

I, I, I have, I have a bit of a rabbit hole to go down if you want, do it please. All right. So, and I always kinda relate to what I know. So right now I tore my P like three years ago and currently my right elbow is bummed out. Right. And I think that it’s from a bunch of movements that I’ve done, which had a kind mechanical issue caused by the Peck tear so many years ago. And I had a, I, I worked with a guy who was going through chiropractic school. His name is Anthony cop and Anthony cop brought up Chandler Smith and his injury to his thumb at one point and the injury to his thumb, he said he was gonna have some sort of deleterious effects downstream from that because he’s losing part of the mechanism of engagement of the, the structure that he’s got.

Andrew Hiller (08:08):

Wow. And on every single year you see his movement get worse and worse and worse. And I know that I like to kind of bang on Berger on a little bit, but I start, start to wonder whether or not it’s that injury just like missing that piece of his thumb, which is causing his movement quality to Dee bit after a bit. And you see it in the front, right? Like he’s barely able to hang out to a one 15 barbell. And you would think that with the things that his disposal, he would be moving the right direction and not the wrong direction. And I’m starting to wonder if it’s even something that he can work towards. It’s just a little bit of speculation on my end. Right.

Sevan Matossian (08:40):

You think he’s losing, losing range of motion,

Andrew Hiller (08:43):

Correct. He’s just so wound up in there. And you could tell that because he’s struggling so much to keep himself in that position. He couldn’t hand, you could tell, watching the route at nine, like up, he’s gonna be eating it on the, the long handstand walk at the end, the 21 yarder.

James Townsend (08:57):

Right. But he in, you know, one workout though, still a long weekend, correct.

Andrew Hiller (09:02):

It doesn’t mean he is screwed. It just, that’s something that’s on in the first event, he he’s in trouble. Right.

Sevan Matossian (09:06):

I I’ll say this. Um, and this is kind of an interesting distinction between the far east in all of the other, um, semifinals in all of these semifinals that we’ve seen so far, someone can take a 23rd or a 17th and come back. That’s not gonna happen in the far east because the guys at the top are just so good. But also because only two go, right. But even in Australia, we got to see a little bit of a battle where they only got three people. So, but Chandler Smith is gonna be that guy this weekend, who he, the kind of the story is around him. Right. He’s an 18th place. He’s bet. We know he’s better than a bunch of these guys in front of him. And we’re gonna have to watch him, um, jump up no more room for mistake.

Andrew Hiller (09:44):

It’ll be, well, he’ll come back on the lift. We, we think, oh yeah, we think there’s a lot of people there who are gonna be doing real well still team. Um,

Sevan Matossian (09:52):

But Hiller don’t, we have the same issue there in the front rack. He’s gotta catch both of those touch and go in the front rack. And now we have the mobility issue, screaming at us again. That’s

Andrew Hiller (10:00):

Why I said, we think, but somehow he always ends up doing well. And I just get pictures in my head of the rogue, that online rogue event, where he beat everybody. And it was like, oh my God, how is this possible? You got what’s his face, the, uh, old school weightlifting guy talking in the background. He’s like, oh my God, just give me one month with him. And we’ll fix all these issues. What’s his name? He’s always at Berger. Like, ER, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (10:23):

Uh, Sydney Wells, uh, lost two seconds at the transition. She started past the line in her first set of handstand walk, but then did the handstand walk unbroken? Um, does that scream? I mean, is that all of her, she’s only been in one CrossFit competition prior to this, um, that’s a good sign. Right? She kept her shit together. She didn’t come on glue. Yeah.

James Townsend (10:45):

Yeah. Real good sign. I, I thought she did very well. And what stuck out to me was that on that last bar, I don’t know if y’all caught on this, but the bar was like really close to the line. So when athletes would run up to the bar, you know, because they’re, they, they are rushing, they clean the bar belt and then they start their thrusters and then they move the barbell back to, whereas in the first two lanes, they would grab the barbell, move it back and then go. So those, those ones that got to the round of 21 and got no rep, I think it’s because they started their thrusters where the barbell was at. And then, you know, the, the line was right there. And then they tried to, you know, speed up and kick up into the handstand and then their hands were, were on the tape.

Sevan Matossian (11:34):

When you guys see these scores that I’m about to show you I’ll write ’em down. So I can remember 2 14, 2 15, 2 34, 2 37, 2 37. I got, I got a couple questions to ask you about these and I’ll go back and forth. If you need to look at ’em again, just tell me, I want you to look at that fastest time for the women is two 14. And that fastest time for women in fifth is 2 37. A topic that we really like to talk about a lot is, is, are the bot bars, the right weight for

James Townsend (11:59):

The women,

Sevan Matossian (12:00):

Bring that up and the men. Great. Great James run with it then. So here we have the men two 20 and two 40 for first and fifth. And for the women, we have two 14 and 2 37 seems pretty darn close to me. What do you think?

James Townsend (12:16):

Yeah, James, uh, barbell needs to be heavier for win for ladies.

Sevan Matossian (12:21):

Okay. Okay. Needs

James Townsend (12:22):

To be heavier for ladies

Sevan Matossian (12:23):

And how much?

JR Howell (12:24):

A lot of people, like a lot of people always, you know, point to main site for everything what’s main site say, what does main site doing? And a couple times this year, if you’ve paid attention, they’ve programmed 1 35, 1 0 5. Oh,

James Townsend (12:37):

Okay. And

JR Howell (12:38):

I mean, I, I think that’s the direction we probably need to go in. I mean, when you have someone that’s 150 pounds that cleaning jerks 2 45 in that complex, and then you have a guy that’s, um, 180 pounds at cleaning jerks, 2 85, like the females comparatively are super strong. Like I think it should be 1 15 85.

Sevan Matossian (12:59):

Okay. So you think it should be five pounds more for the women? The women were currently 80, for sure.

James Townsend (13:04):

This was, uh, it was 75, right. For the ladies

Sevan Matossian (13:08):

In my notes. I have 80, but I could be wrong.

James Townsend (13:10):

See, yeah. Yeah. I’m always, I’m always seeing a 1 15 75.

Sevan Matossian (13:14):


James Townsend (13:15):

To where I always started was 1 15 85, you know? But um, normally it goes 1 30, 5 95, but I do like that one.

Sevan Matossian (13:28):

Then I bring up this to you. The, the, the spacing here between first and second place is one second. Then the next is nine seconds and then three seconds and then fractions of a second and then four seconds. And then you switch over to the men. Um, and it’s basically, uh, 10 seconds, six seconds, two seconds, two seconds. When you go down for your handstand, you’re not done. There’s a half, a second to make up there. There’s 30 people you’re competing against in a time domain. That’s less than three minutes. Why are some of these athletes just lolly dragging across the finish line and not trying to go for that extra half a second? Are you telling them?

James Townsend (14:16):

Uh, yeah, I think most of them aren’t, aren’t as confident on their hands as, as they think, you know, I mean, Tim Paulson pulled a, a veteran move. He’s he’s confident on his hands, under fatigue, you know? So do you know

Sevan Matossian (14:28):

Him, James?

James Townsend (14:29):


Sevan Matossian (14:29):

Do you know him?

James Townsend (14:31):

Uh, I met him last year. He, uh, he actually him and Kwan, um, share the same coach.

Sevan Matossian (14:37):

Oh, okay.

James Townsend (14:38):

Yeah. So, um, but then with Spiegel, I think that was a rookie move to, whereas she kicked down, didn’t know where mal was at, took that two to three seconds and then kicked up. And then that’s what caused her first place to, whereas ma knew she was confident on her hands, uh, made the veteran move and kept their head down and just kept rolling.

Sevan Matossian (15:01):

Did you guys know mal one? When I watched it and it was over, I thought Danny won.

Andrew Hiller (15:06):

Why did you think that I

Sevan Matossian (15:07):

Get, I maybe cuz I’m sick or my I I’m old or

Andrew Hiller (15:10):

You’re seeing

Sevan Matossian (15:11):

Or yeah. Or you know, whatever

Andrew Hiller (15:14):


Sevan Matossian (15:15):

Did, did you guys all see that ma won there at, at that last second?

Andrew Hiller (15:18):

Yeah. <laugh> yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (15:23):

Uh, I thought Jamie ha guy is the best floor interviewer ever, by the way, just my 2 cents out shot out to her. She’s great. Yeah.

James Townsend (15:28):

Yeah. That’s a homie. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (15:30):

She has great confidence out there. Mm-hmm <affirmative> uh, I, I wanna show a couple reps here. Um, let’s see. I was trying to figure out what the rule is for crossing the line. Because when I saw, um, Anthony Davis cross the line, he crossed the line and he had control, but I saw some guys in the, from the handstand walk, he had control. Then he lowered and then he, and then he ran, but we saw a couple of these. Nope. Sorry.

JR Howell (15:58):


Andrew Hiller (16:00):


Speaker 6 (16:00):

Listen, if you wanna win the event, you have to go unbroken. That’s just the deal. But if you wanna get top five,

Andrew Hiller (16:06):


James Townsend (16:07):


Andrew Hiller (16:08):


Sevan Matossian (16:10):


Andrew Hiller (16:11):

Good, good.

Sevan Matossian (16:12):

Wait one more time. Actually,

Speaker 6 (16:13):

Listen, if you wanna win the event, you have to go unbroken. That’s just the deal. But if you wanna get top five, you don’t

Sevan Matossian (16:20):

And Josh hung

JR Howell (16:22):

Actually listen.

James Townsend (16:24):


Andrew Hiller (16:25):

That’s is there a slowmo button on there?

Sevan Matossian (16:28):

No, but, but I think it should be good by the way. It just seems out of character for CrossFit. What do you think Jr. Normally they would ask for a lockout and control. It’s like, you know, like in the NFL you gotta have control of the ball, but they’re not asking for it. And I think it’s smarter to do it this way.

Speaker 6 (16:40):

Especially listen, if you wanna win the event, you have to go unbroken. That’s just the deal. But if you wanna get top five, you don’t,

Sevan Matossian (16:48):

Let’s assume all you have to do is break the plane of the red line and not have your feet on the ground.

JR Howell (16:52):

Well, typically, typically in the open or quarter finals or whatever, the standard usually reads both hands and that’s like the entire hands. So not just like the fingers, like the entire hand Palm and fingers. Let’s cross the finish line before the feet hit the floor. And if that’s the standard, then this guy does it.

Sevan Matossian (17:13):

Yeah. He for sure breaks the line. I can’t tell if the back of his Palm crosses, but who cares if it’s just breaks the line,

JR Howell (17:20):

It’s gotta be on the, it’s gotta be on the surface on the other side of the line. It’s not just break the plane.

Sevan Matossian (17:27):

Well that, yeah. Yeah. Sorry, sorry. Break the complete plane of the thickness of that line. Both sides of it.

James Townsend (17:33):

So what if so, so what if the backside of his Palm, I mean the, the bottom side of his Palm is on the red tape. Is that a no rep or

JR Howell (17:40):

I think it’s supposed to be,

Sevan Matossian (17:42):

Oh, so his whole entire Palm should happen.

Andrew Hiller (17:43):

SOS. The thing that you’re bringing up here is very similar to the GD issue that we keep talking about. It’s that when you say all you said, where does where’s the center, the GD, and then where do your hips have to say like, do you have to do it in relation to wherever your butthole is? Like, how do you know the second you

Sevan Matossian (17:58):

Try to say anus, try where this is a science show Hiller,

Andrew Hiller (18:00):

Please. Yes. The anus, wherever the anus is in relation to the center of the, and all of a sudden, now you’re putting arithmetic into it. The way that they have it set up right now is there’s nothing up to speculation. You get both hands. If this is like the bottom of the screen, like this is no good. All right. But both palms are now clear of the bottom of the screen and then you’re good to go. You can move to the finish line. So as long as both of his hands hit before any other point of his body did, then the judge gives them the, go ahead. If they say, oh, you gotta be erect over the top.

Sevan Matossian (18:30):

We get that. But what James is saying is does it, how much, like, I think just, just both sets of fingers have to cross probably the red line.

Andrew Hiller (18:37):

Well that’s but,

Sevan Matossian (18:38):

But James is, do you do that? Pop? What? Say that again?

Andrew Hiller (18:40):

It it’s it’s you can see that there’s a, there’s a giant surface, right? Uh, and then both hands have to get, I can’t do this on this fricking thing. You gotta get both hands over the line. That’s all you had to do. And he did it,

Speaker 6 (18:54):

Especially, listen, if you wanna win the event, you have to go unbroken. That’s just the deal. But if you wanna get top five,

Sevan Matossian (19:00):

I like it. I like it.

Andrew Hiller (19:02):

And then if you say, he’ gotta do anything other than that, then you’re adding like speculation and people can say things about it, but he did what he had to do

Sevan Matossian (19:08):

And right,

James Townsend (19:09):


Sevan Matossian (19:10):

There’s something also that chase is saying there. And this is where the, I think the language has to change. You have to do it more than unbroken and that’s the nuance. It’s not okay. Just to do everything. Unbroken. The transitions have to be seamless. You have to be going into your next movement. You have to. And I mean, you even see, I even saw, uh, last week girls were chalk like bending over and chalking their hands as they moved forward. I mean, it was there. There’s no dilly Downing. If it’s, if it’s a short workout,

Andrew Hiller (19:39):

The workout was made this way. I think this was actually a very good workout. Just had to change the name of it.

Sevan Matossian (19:45):

<laugh> God, we’re a tough crowd. Um, do we, do we like these standings? This is makes for an exciting, um, exciting start.

James Townsend (19:58):


Andrew Hiller (19:58):

I’ll talk

James Townsend (19:59):

<laugh> yeah, I think, I think, I think the complex is gonna shake it up a bit. Um, they, shoulders should be on fire and I’m pretty sure a lot of guys are worried about their shoulders on a, but um, yeah, this, this complex is gonna shake up a lot.

Sevan Matossian (20:18):

Uh, we, we got some really strong guys in the top five there’s there’s no, there’s not a slouch in there. Right?

Andrew Hiller (20:24):

Mm let’s see. Oh, wait. It’s on the screen. Oops.

Sevan Matossian (20:27):

Tim Paulson, Phil tune. Colton MES Brentford. Kowski Travis mayor.

Andrew Hiller (20:33):

Uh, they’re all strong as shit. Nick Matthews also strong. He’s had a 300 pound snatch. I know he finished right on the outside. I think Colton was the one who beat him for six last year. So actually the, the leaderboards rather similar to last year, Tim Paulson was in there. So it was Colton. So was Travis or Travis? No, he wasn’t here. He was at Mac, a lot of similar competitors from the grans last year here.

Sevan Matossian (20:57):

And let’s let’s cruise over to the women. Is this what we expect?

Andrew Hiller (21:04):

Anybody in the comments who was saying that, that wasn’t a rep doesn’t understand what a good hand 10 walk rep looks like. <laugh> so frustrating.

Sevan Matossian (21:12):

Yeah. The Hiller hill, the guys defer to Hiller. Quiet, quiet in the comments. Uh, ma O’Brien in first place. Danny Spiegel in second. Uh, just, oh, just over second behind her. Amanda Barnhardt Sidney Wells, Emily Wolff, all the big names you got even FES of and eighth place. Um, it looks like this is playing out exactly. Like it’s supposed to.

Andrew Hiller (21:32):

Yeah. He had to get his hands into the red line. He didn’t have to cross the red line. Oh.

Sevan Matossian (21:36):

Um, how about this? Do you know this lady? James Vic. Victoria Caruso.

James Townsend (21:42):

Yeah. Yeah. That’s the, um, I mean, she’s just as ripped as me.

Sevan Matossian (21:46):

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. She’s just as ripped as you. She looks like an anatomy drawing.

James Townsend (21:50):


Sevan Matossian (21:51):

Yeah. Uh, how how’s she gonna do in the, uh, complex?

James Townsend (21:56):

She should win it.

Sevan Matossian (21:57):


James Townsend (21:58):

She’s strong. Heck yeah. I think she has like a 2 55 power clean.

Andrew Hiller (22:03):

Oh shit.

James Townsend (22:05):

Yeah. Yeah. She’s strong. I, I think she, she does like two 70 full clean

Sevan Matossian (22:11):

Looking to see if I can find, uh,

James Townsend (22:14):

Yeah, so it I’m I’m I’m expecting her Spiegel barn, heart, um, uh,

Andrew Hiller (22:25):

Spiegel. Barnhardt James. Who do you think?

James Townsend (22:27):

Oh, Barnhardt easy.

Andrew Hiller (22:29):

Easy, huh? Cause I think Spiegel’s gonna,

James Townsend (22:32):

You think so?

Andrew Hiller (22:33):

Yeah. You wanna make a bet? <laugh>

James Townsend (22:37):

Yeah. Let’s put $10 on it. You got a Venmo got Venmo.

Andrew Hiller (22:42):

I’ll I’ll I got a Venmo. Okay. Venmo you 10 bucks if Barnhart takes it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Don’t worry. I I’m gonna go text Danny Spiro really quick. I got her phone number say, Hey, you better take out Barnhart. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (22:53):

Uh, when you type into Instagram, Victoria, Caruso, uh, there’s quite a few of them. And uh, I don’t think any of these are her. This looks like they look like all fans on

James Townsend (23:03):


Andrew Hiller (23:03):

The one with the Jack

James Townsend (23:04):

I think is Vicky. I think it’s Vicky.

Sevan Matossian (23:06):

Oh, okay. Let’s

Andrew Hiller (23:07):

See. Jr. Are you shaking your head? Yes. To me? Yes. Is it, is she the one that Castro posted about that one time? Yes.

Sevan Matossian (23:13):


Andrew Hiller (23:14):

You okay? That that’s Caruso? Yes. Okay. She’s well, may we might both lose, is it just mono mono James bar Hart versus Spiegel?

James Townsend (23:23):

I, no, I got Carto winning the whole thing.

Andrew Hiller (23:26):


James Townsend (23:29):

Got her.

Andrew Hiller (23:31):

Yeah. She’s she’s some Jack legs.

James Townsend (23:33):


Andrew Hiller (23:34):


James Townsend (23:35):

But if we go Spiegel, verse Barnhart, I got Bonard.

Sevan Matossian (23:40):

Hey, look at this vein that comes down off her stomach down through her shorts and outer leg. You got one of those James?

James Townsend (23:47):


Sevan Matossian (23:47):

You don’t got

James Townsend (23:48):

That one. I got sprinter legs. What do those look like? You’ve never seen a Cheeta with big legs. That’s what I got Cheeta leg. Ah,

Andrew Hiller (23:55):

They’re strong as shit though. Oh, all right. So the 30 muscles won’t go so hot for her. Go to go to another video. I got Jared smile. <laugh> victory is mine.

Sevan Matossian (24:07):

Yeah. She either has a really bad mosquito bite or the craziest definition of all time.

James Townsend (24:12):

Yeah. I think, I think she from Jersey too. She’s pretty, uh, she’s pretty close with Kwan.

Andrew Hiller (24:18):

So yes. Yeah. Scroll a little bit. Find some legs.

James Townsend (24:21):

That one right there. That one right there.

Sevan Matossian (24:23):

Which one?

James Townsend (24:25):

The, the clean video.

Sevan Matossian (24:26):


James Townsend (24:27):

In the middle. Are

Sevan Matossian (24:28):

You sure? You didn’t want that one?

James Townsend (24:30):


Andrew Hiller (24:30):

Wait, we know the one you wanted

Sevan Matossian (24:33):

My goodness.

Andrew Hiller (24:34):

2 82.

James Townsend (24:36):

Oh 2 82. Look at that pool. Jesus. Yeah. We’ll see what that jerks

Andrew Hiller (24:47):

Like that’s it all

James Townsend (24:48):

Comes down to the jerk. Seems like, yeah. Yeah. She’s winning up the complex.

Sevan Matossian (24:55):

I love how the weights are. Just everywhere. Just all over the place. Just who cares?

James Townsend (25:01):

Matter of fact. That’s Kwan Jim. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s my K Jim.

Sevan Matossian (25:07):

Yeah. Oh my goodness. So that’s a 2 27. She’s had a PR and overhead squat by 17 pounds there. Look at her head when she does this clean look at the, look at her, look at her the way it, it shakes almost like the way someone’s body shakes when they do a deadlift sometimes. Do you see that?

Andrew Hiller (25:25):

That’s yeah,

James Townsend (25:27):

But that’s how, you know, somebody is confident and they’re clean. They don’t, there’s no weight in her. She just pulled

Andrew Hiller (25:34):


James Townsend (25:35):


Andrew Hiller (25:36):

That is more views. It’s only 7,000. Those are rookie numbers. We gotta pump those numbers up.

Sevan Matossian (25:42):

Ooh, crazy.

Andrew Hiller (25:43):

That’s a, that’s a w of wall quote for everyone who didn’t laugh.

Sevan Matossian (25:49):

You have such a good memory.

Andrew Hiller (25:50):

I I know you don’t know that’s Seon. I don’t, that’s a movie. That’s a movie you enjoy. It’s got plenty of DeBry in it. I

Sevan Matossian (25:55):

Saw it. I saw it. I saw it. I saw it. I just can’t remember. I just can’t remember anything. I’m too busy doing podcast.

Andrew Hiller (26:02):


James Townsend (26:04):

<laugh> knows. Yep. I

Andrew Hiller (26:06):

Know that. Ah,

James Townsend (26:08):


Sevan Matossian (26:09):

Uh, mallow, Bryan, the youngest ever win the games, uh, games event. Um, she took first in the open this year. She’s never been on the Seon podcast. She’s 18 years old. She’s the youngest competitor out there. And she trained two years with James Townsend. And then how many months ago switched over to Matt?

James Townsend (26:29):

Uh, let’s say November. So what is that? Uh, eight months ago. Seven months ago? Yeah. About seven months ago.

Sevan Matossian (26:41):

It, it it’s it’s it seems like a, uh, it, it seems like a, um, if you, if you weren’t here, we would talk about this. But since you are here, we’ll talk about it too. It seems like a, it seems like a wild thing to do to switch coaches when you’re having such a, a, a, a amazing career. Do we know, is that, have you ever seen anyone else do that? You don’t like the question Hiller, you think I’m putting James’

Andrew Hiller (27:00):

No. Someone, someone of the comments said now she’s male 500.

Sevan Matossian (27:03):

Now. She what’s that what’s that mean I don’t get it,

Andrew Hiller (27:06):

Jim, you know,

James Townsend (27:08):


Andrew Hiller (27:08):

Uh, call her Mel 1000, right?

James Townsend (27:10):

Yeah. Yeah. That’s old news, but, um, I’m that, but I mean, you know, as a coach, you know, we, we own no athlete, you know, so if athletes wanna go ahead and make that decision and, you know, best of luck.

Andrew Hiller (27:31):

So you were asking whether or not that’s something that athletes have done before Sivan.

Sevan Matossian (27:35):

Well, yeah. And I wanna ask Jay put kind of Jr. In the same spot too, man. Jr. Wasn’t hot. Jason Hopper, your athlete. And, and he also went to, uh, Matt Fraser?

JR Howell (27:43):

No, he was never my athlete. Yeah. Um, a

Sevan Matossian (27:47):

Little bit of your athlete, a little bit.

Andrew Hiller (27:49):

It’s like a St. You couldn’t control.

JR Howell (27:51):

No, he’s no, he he’s always trained back and forth at crash over the past couple years after he competed there. And then just over this last year, started training full time at my gym. But, uh, Jared Shaw was the guy who was coaching him when he made the games that year

Sevan Matossian (28:07):

Mm-hmm <affirmative>. And, and, and how did Jared take that?

JR Howell (28:10):

He was super supportive of Jason and the opportunity. Um, you know, that’s, you know, I didn’t talk to Jared specifically about it, but I know Jared well, and I know the relationship he had with Jason with kind of like bringing him up in the sport to the point that he got and even talking to Jared, he told me like, he was amazed at how far Jason had come and when he won the Mac, you know, it wasn’t something he expected,

Sevan Matossian (28:39):

But he wasn’t with Matt when he did that.

JR Howell (28:41):

No, he’s with Jared.

Sevan Matossian (28:42):

Yeah. It seems like such a bold thing to do it, it, it, as, as an athlete, just, uh, ESP, especially if everything’s going well, it just seems, it just seems like a lot. Have you ever had an athlete, um, switch, go ahead, James.

James Townsend (28:59):

And you know, it is what it is. I mean, some people, you know, it is what it is.

Sevan Matossian (29:04):


Andrew Hiller (29:05):

The old strategy cotton.

Sevan Matossian (29:07):

Um, let me ask you this, you have someone as high profile as her, and you also have tu Magda who’s exploding on the scene. Does he get more attention now that she’s gone?

James Townsend (29:16):

Nope. That’s it? You know, that’s that, that’s another topic for another day, you know? Okay. But, but no, nah, he doesn’t not at all. And, and to, to be honest, I don’t even think he, he cares man, like, like tutor, the way he was brought up by his family is, is being very professional and, and, um, sticking to his morals and values. But I don’t think he, he really cares so much about that. He just wanna work, you know, he just wants to work.

Sevan Matossian (29:42):

What’s your relationship with him? Like would he come to your house for dinner?

James Townsend (29:45):

Oh yeah. Every Sunday.

Sevan Matossian (29:46):


James Townsend (29:47):

Yeah. He loves my kids and you know, he, uh, hangs around with them, talks with my wife and everything plays with our dogs. Yeah. We have him over every Sunday.

Sevan Matossian (29:55):

Okay. Family.

James Townsend (29:56):


Sevan Matossian (29:58):

Um, she did say this.

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