Sevan Matossian (00:01):
Rag, bam word life Rath. Oh, oh, maybe I had it. Spellt wrong. All along RA rag. Oh, I’m not even saying it. RA ENA. I only listened to it a hundred times before I came on yesterday. I still can’t get it. RA ENA.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (00:20):
You got it.
Sevan Matossian (00:23):
Oh shit. You got the memo to wear these glasses. Awesome. <laugh> <laugh>
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (00:30):
Glasses. Are these problematic?
Sevan Matossian (00:33):
No, they’re perfect. They’re almost identical to mine. I feel like. Except your dots go. Uh, horizontal, minor vertical.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (00:41):
Sevan Matossian (00:42):
What’s up, dude? How
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (00:43):
Are you guys?
Sevan Matossian (00:44):
Oh, so good.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (00:45):
Sevan Matossian (00:46):
So good. I woke up. Are, are you in California? RA ragas I don’t have any friends. Even with the name close to yours. Ragas I have to practice ragas. How about
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (00:56):
Raghu? Like the tomato sauce?
Sevan Matossian (00:57):
Keep it RA rag. Ragu. Uh, are you in California?
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (01:03):
New York. Upstate New York.
Sevan Matossian (01:05):
Okay. I woke up this morning. I’m in, uh, Santa Cruz and I woke up and it was sunny. And even though I’m I got this crazy sore throat this morning, when I woke up, I was like, oh, it’s still a great day. <laugh> still a great day. Hey, thank you for coming on. This is really cool to meet you.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (01:23):
Pleasure, man. Thank you.
Sevan Matossian (01:25):
We, we, we won’t, we won’t dilly Dolly. We won’t dilly Dolly. I’m gonna paraphrase this thing that Gandhi said. I apologize. Uh, you can’t separate, um, church and state because when you walk around your life is your religion. That is your religion. You are your religion. You are the living manifestation of your religion. You are the expression of your religion. And I heard you express it in a different way that I really loved. Don’t give up what you’re good at. Take what you’re good at and spiritualize it. Mm. And I was like, yeah, yeah, I’m digging it.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (02:06):
Yeah. Um, you know, I think as far as VA Dharma or Sina Dharma, or what we know in the west is Hinduism, which, which is a misnomer. There’s no such thing as Hinduism. In all reality, it’s a made up word by the Greeks or by the Persians. Someone made it up. You don’t understand something. You give them some words, some pejorative. And after a while, because you’re such a powerful country, the people that you’re giving the word to just start identifying themselves with that word as well. So you can go to Columbia university and get a degree in hin, PhD in Hinduism, but there’s no word Hindu. It means people east of the CDU river. And it’s, it’s all different people on a, on a quest and a quest for spiritual life and the spiritual life. Isn’t separated from life. It’s not like I, well, I have my church on Sunday for about an hour and 15 minutes.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (03:01):
And then they go back to my material. Existence. Life is spiritual existence and we can’t con disconnect the deity or the concept of God separate from nature, not like Christ is the deity and everything else is some type of mundane backdrop. There’s spirit in every plant there’s spirit in every animal there’s spirit in every tree there’s spirit in, uh, in the earth itself. And it’s a it’s it’s it’s, uh, trying to develop the vision that everything is actually a spirit. Even my biggest enemy, actually a spiritual being. We may see things completely different, but we have a lot in common. And, uh, you know, I, I, I wish it is like the left, the left and the right could see this as well. People generally for the most part have, have a have good inside them, but there’s just ways they think that the ultimate good will be, um, served.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (03:59):
And then we just start going at it and creating others and creating massive divides. But the idea that that spirit is everywhere and we are spirit, I is, is a nice set of lens. And therefore, in, in the VAD culture, the Sonata Dharma, the idea is that everybody’s on a path. We see some Christian or we some see person worshiping, uh, ALA or Jewish. We see, oh, nice. They’re on a spiritual path. It’s not a win to convert somebody from one path to another path. We’re all on. We’re on a spiritual quest, a win for me as a teacher of, of AIC, DMA of yoga philosophy is, Hey, this person is, uh, getting serious about their spiritual life in their tradition. Great, good for them. Whatever brings you closer to that revelation, that we are all connected beings. Um, instead of finding others or boogie men to go after we have our own boogie men, we have to deal with.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (05:01):
And a big part of yoga culture is stop trying to change the world. If you yourself are stuck in the mud, if you yourself are in the clutter, start putting the microscope on ourselves, how can I uproot the, these things that all spiritual paths talk about uprooting, greed, desire, envy fi fault, finding criticism of other people. How about shining the light on myself and doing a lot of self work? And I know that as apparent the five kids, if I want my kids to eat better, to behave better, um, you know, to treat, uh, women or men, other people, their friends better, then I have to start being that example for them. I don’t have to preach to them to eat healthy. I gotta just eat healthy. It’s that’s the, isn’t it? Is it our teaching living? Huh?
Sevan Matossian (05:50):
I, I, this is Matt Suza, the executive producer by the way of the show. And I’m several Matsi and the guy who sits in a room in Santa.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (05:57):
All right. <laugh> great to
Sevan Matossian (05:58):
Meet you. Common and hot. Uh it’s. It’s a, what you said about the left and right. Um, I I’ve heard you talk about also before. And, uh, I definitely noticed that growing up, uh, being raised in, um, in, uh, Nazi Berkeley, uh, there was a, uh, our whole identity was based on the opposition.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (06:19):
Sevan Matossian (06:20):
And now, as I, as I wake up, it’s important to, I, I don’t do the same thing from the other side. Right. I stood on one side of the room and said, I am not that. And now I don’t wanna go to the other side, the room point. I am not that. And build and build my whole, my whole identity on the opposition.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (06:35):
You know, I think it’s a lot we’ll have,
Sevan Matossian (06:37):
Oh, you look good without glasses. I mean, you look good with glasses too, but man, you have nice ice
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (06:42):
Go on adds a whole new level of personality with the glasses.
Sevan Matossian (06:45):
Yeah. On and off, they’re both
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (06:46):
Good. Two IQ points, higher <laugh> um, I think I, for me, it works much better in life and in general, and perhaps this culture could have taught this to see what we have in common than what are our differences. Like what do we have in common with these people? It’s a, it’s a bad way to go into any relationship is what are our differences? What do we have in common here? What do we want? How do we, do we wanna raise happy, healthy children? I got a feeling, a lot of people do. I got a feeling every right down to the, the snakes and the Hawks and the pigs and the, they wanna protect our children. For the most part. Some GEs will eat their babies. But on the side, on the side note, we, we have a lot in common and I think the focus should be there.
Sevan Matossian (07:34):
Yeah. The praying Manness eat each other.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (07:36):
Yeah. You know, <laugh>
Sevan Matossian (07:40):
In the pinch. You’ll do anything. Did you ever read that? Did you ever read that book mouse? It’s a graphic novel comic book at one,
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (07:46):
But I, yeah, I didn’t, but I know what you’re talking about though.
Sevan Matossian (07:50):
Yeah. It’s a trip. There’s some stuff in there that like, I didn’t even expect, but, but, but that component’s in there, you know what I mean? People drowning
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (07:57):
The gold comic book.
Sevan Matossian (07:58):
Uh, yeah. But it’s a true story. Well, supposed to be it’s it’s about, uh, it’s uh, using mice and rats and pigs to tell the story of people escaping Nazi Germany during world war II. But you see that everything changes when you’re, if there’s 50 people drowning in a pool, you kind of, people will step on top of people to get out. Really.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (08:15):
I don’t really interesting, isn’t it? Yes. Yeah. It’s um, fascinating when we’re put in these very tough situations. I mean, sometimes it doesn’t have to be Nazi Germany, sometimes it has to be, uh, you lost your job.
Sevan Matossian (08:31):
Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (08:32):
Divorce you’re, uh, you know, and
Sevan Matossian (08:35):
You get canceled, you get canceled, you
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (08:37):
Get right. I, I, you know, I’m recently going through a divorce it’s not official. And, and I found it to be like super tough. Um, super tough emotionally to deal with was married for 17 years, raised five kids. And, um, my teacher just gave me beautiful advice and said, um, you know, you just gotta cut it, cut it swiftly. And don’t act out of resentment, anger, spite, or revenge. And I was like, and I’ve kept it with me through the whole process. And it’s had ups and it’s had lots of downs where times where I feel like I have every write in the book right now to be resentful, angry, spiteful, et cetera. And with that advice, it kept sort of certain guardrails that it wouldn’t cross. And then when I did cross them, I felt the, the ding sort of the scrape of the side of the car on the guardrail.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (09:34):
And I thought, Nope, I can’t keep it like that. And really all these instructions. And this is back to spiritual things, too. All these ideas, you know, they don’t use this word sin so much invaded thought because the idea is that it’s not like some evil guy or some sadistic, God is there to punish you for some crime. The idea is there, there are parameters or rules of the road that we follow for our benefit. Not, not, not, not because the higher power sadistic, the higher power is love. But, and so why are there rules within that for our benefits? So we don’t suffer. And that can be seen, like if I, if I don’t eat right, let’s take it back to eating. If I don’t eat right. There’s rules about overeating, you can eat as much as you want, but there’s rules. If you don’t eat, if you overeat, if you eat on top of undigested food, et cetera, then you’re gonna cause indigestion, the whole system’s gonna break down. It’s gonna have a ripple effect of, uh, problems in your overall health, vitality, et cetera. So this concept of sin, we don’t quite accept it so much. It’s just like, it just means you’re you harm, it’s self harm. It’s not projected as some sadistic being, who’s there to punish you for, um, inappropriate behavior, like some nasty school principal. We’re punishing ourself
Sevan Matossian (10:55):
At 14 years old, RA enough was in, I think, New York city formerly known as Ray. And he saw the band, I forget their name, but what you guys all know is the Beastie boys. He watched them perform. He went home like any good 14 year old boy. He said, shit, I think I can do that. He called some friends up, they got creative. They started banging on banging on instruments. And it was the birth of a, a, a musician. God, youth is wonderful. Isn’t it?
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (11:38):
<laugh>, uh, it, it can be,
Sevan Matossian (11:41):
Yeah, yeah. Right, right, right, right, right.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (11:43):
It can also be horrible treacherous, fearful anxiety where it in, you know, right. It depends what situation, but there is, there was a nice, it was a nice time, uh, in my life where I felt like, you know, I’m just gonna go for it. I can do this. <laugh>.
Sevan Matossian (11:57):
And, and the people around him, uh, in his, uh, scene, there were, um, a lot of, uh, you know, J just like, I, I, I guess all the music scenes, there was a lot of alcohol drugs party. And, uh, he ended up, would you say developing being the foundation of this sort of this hardcore scene, but what you guys called straight edge where you guys were like, your music was hard, but your lifestyle was
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (12:29):
Very clean, very clean cut.
Sevan Matossian (12:30):
Yeah. Or, or, or your lifestyle had equanimity, your, your lifestyle was to best channel this, uh, this hardcore music.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (12:39):
Yeah. It was, uh, we were into our message of anger was sort of internal <laugh> towards our own self discipline. You know, we were, we didn’t drink, we didn’t smoke. We were vegetarians and I didn’t coin the phrase, but I was a, I was the, I was a big, uh, I wasn’t, who was it? Adam Smith, but I might have been, um, who’s the guy that started the Mormons, the I wasn’t the first guy, John Smith. I, I might have been the Brigham young, perhaps
Sevan Matossian (13:09):
<laugh> yeah. OK. Okay. Okay.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (13:13):
I wasn’t, Moroney the angel that appeared
Sevan Matossian (13:15):
To them. You weren’t Jesus. You were like Paul <laugh>.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (13:21):
Um, but anyway, um, yeah. Yes. And it was it, and it wasn’t easy because it wasn’t, the music scene was also filled with rock and roll and drugs and et cetera. But that punk heart runaway scene was really, uh, messing with, you know, you know, people died, people were, was incredibly violent. It was underground, you know, is the early, early eighties. So there was just, it was just like a, the, it was a freak show. And I loved that freak show cuz I was one of the freaks. So back then there was mainstream arena, rock, you know, the cheap tricks of the world and the, you know, rush and um, Jay Gils band. And then there was like a weird, you know, even UN even when hip hop was underground and punk was underground, even Madonna was hanging out on that scene. And um, we were just like, sort of like you play in weird crappy places. And then all of a sudden sort of took a little bit more root. Um, and it just be, then it became very normal and, and normalized. Um, but back then to shave your head or to, you know, dress peculiar or dye your hair, you were considered a psychopath even to have a tattoo nowadays. You
Sevan Matossian (14:34):
Oh yeah. Yeah. Tattoos were wild.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (14:36):
<inaudible> the guy serving you the latte as a tattoo on his neck. Yeah. Were illegal in New York city in the eighties. Yeah. You had to go into somebody’s house and you know, they have to tattoo you with a gun.
Sevan Matossian (14:48):
This lady I know, got a tattoo of a giant fly. Her neck, really wealthy, successful woman got into drugs and got a fly on her neck. There’s no point to that story. I just think of fly on your neck. I just thought it was a bad choice. I just wanted to mention, I just thought I judge her. I judge her for it as a bad choice
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (15:03):
Back then. Uh, if you were to get anything, even on your forearm, you were considered, okay. Your career is over. You will have no career. Um, little, did they know how the culture would shift?
Sevan Matossian (15:17):
I don’t have any tattoos
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (15:19):
Yet. Now you’re the most punk punk punk rock person out there. Yeah.
Sevan Matossian (15:23):
Do you know what thought precedes getting a tattoo?
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (15:27):
Um, it, it could be, um, uh, my, my daughter just saw my hand tattoo. I got the shelter CHRA. It’s a, uh, the weapon of Lord VNU on my hand and was our, our band’s logo and my daughter and I posted a picture before my daughter saw it and she goes, yeah. Did you get a hand tattoo? I was like, listen, I’m 56 years old. It doesn’t matter anymore. <laugh>
Sevan Matossian (15:52):
I can do whatever I want.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (15:54):
<laugh> seated my TA hand tattoo.
Sevan Matossian (16:00):
Rogano if I, I have a, I have two, five year old boys and a seven year old.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (16:04):
Ah, I’ve always wanted twins.
Sevan Matossian (16:06):
And if, uh, if they, if they come home with some shit, like a gauge in their ear, like a tattoo or something, I’m gonna, I’m gonna go straight to the store. I’m gonna make them watch. And I’m gonna get a, a, a prince Albert
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (16:20):
Sevan Matossian (16:21):
Make, watch it. I’m be like, oh, you are my, you are my van go. You are my cistine chapel.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (16:28):
Sevan Matossian (16:29):
And you just put that hole in my cistine chap. Oh, cool. Will you love me? Let’s see how you like it. If I put a hole in my penis
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (16:34):
Sevan Matossian (16:34):
That’s the current plan.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (16:37):
I just show him yeah.
Sevan Matossian (16:39):
Put a hole in your ear. Size of a fucking roll. Yeah.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (16:44):
I got a earring when I was, uh, 16 in high school except, and my father lost his mind.
Sevan Matossian (16:52):
<laugh> I love your dad. Is your dad Jewish? Are you, do you, do you got
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (16:56):
Jewel roots? I’m Italian. We’re Italian, but dad was Italian. He’s not alive any longer, but, uh, he, uh, I sort of give him a run for his money in the last years of his life. Sadly.
Sevan Matossian (17:07):
Um, guys, I’m, we’re gonna jump all over because that’s what I do. Uh, there’s a great story with his dad. His dad was in coma for three years, which is fan.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (17:17):
And when we say great, we mean horrific
Sevan Matossian (17:20):
<laugh>, but, but I want, but, but I wanna go somewhere else before we there’s so many doors open. Um, are you training, did you train at 10th planet in, in Los Angeles?
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (17:30):
I was there when he opened it.
Sevan Matossian (17:32):
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (17:33):
Sevan Matossian (17:34):
Can you just tell me how you got into martial arts? Oh,
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (17:37):
I know Joe Rogan because Joe and Eddie and, and a handful of others, we all trained with, uh, Jean Jacque Machado. And I got by purple belt from Jean Jacque Machado, but a group of were really into not fighting with geese and it’s before no gee fighting was popular at all. This was whatever, 19, when was this? 2000, maybe 2001 or something. So we used to train at this, um, uh, when was this place in Hollywood called the bomb squad.
Sevan Matossian (18:09):
That’s not legal putting your belt around the dude’s neck like that.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (18:13):
<laugh> that’s for fun. Wow.
Sevan Matossian (18:15):
Yeah. Bomb squad. Yes.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (18:17):
Quite AMA amazed at how Eddie made this thing take off it’s it was quite impressive, but you know what? Some of the traditional jujitsu, I started getting a little bored with. I started getting bored with, I mean, I was a yoga teacher. I did an hour and a half, two hours of yoga every day. The warmups drove me crazy sometimes in these jiujitsu classes and you know, it’s not bad. It’s good to warm up, but I was just like, can I just drill, please? Can I just drill? So I love the way how Eddie just started the class. You take a move and you drill it. I don’t know if it’s still like this, cuz I haven’t gone to one of these classes in a while you take one, uh, you know, you take three moves and you drill them all month long. That’s how we did it back then.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (18:54):
And I was like, I like this way. And then you start to own these things. Otherwise you learn a move, you learn three moves a day and then you do you forget them by the next day, unless you work them. You know, it’s just like with any technique that you do even typing, you do the same thing every day and you get good at it. And I like that. I like this type of approach to learning. Um, so Eddie had like this whole parallel thing going on with Brazilian jujitsu and I’m glad it took off. And he was a great teacher and we had similar bodies. We were both flexible and small. And so it was good for me to have to when you have that disadvantage of being small, but you have an open mat and you have to fight against big guys. You can’t rely on your weight. You can’t rely, you have to rely on techniques. So it was good. It forced me to expand myself. My, my, my, my Marshall education.
Sevan Matossian (19:46):
Why did, why did you do that? Why did you get into how old were you and why did you, why, why did you take step into a Brazilian Jitsu dojo?
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (19:57):
Um, you know, it was when UFC one and two first
Sevan Matossian (20:00):
Came out. Yeah.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (20:01):
And I saw them. I was like, I gotta learn how to grapple. I was doing a little bit of kickboxing at the time. I was like, I have to learn how to grapple. Um, so
Sevan Matossian (20:09):
You saw that skinny, you saw the same thing. I did UFC one, the guy got his tooth kicked out the Sumo wrestler, but we saw that skinny guy from Brazil when the whole thing. And we’re like, what?
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (20:18):
It’s basically won the whole thing. How would I be like that? I think that’s what it was going through. Everybody’s and there was hardly any schools at that time. And so I, I, unfortunately I got into it and um, one of the first guys, uh, yes, there they are early UFC.
Sevan Matossian (20:33):
God, I remember I paid for that. I was in college. I’m 50, by the way. You’re you’re 55, 56 56.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (20:38):
Yeah. 56. Okay. So this was a, a great time to get into jujitsu cuz there was no, I mean all the Brazilians just came over. Even the first place I went to was uh, Hendo Gracie and I started studying with him and my first day there, Matt, Sarah, who’s another big UFC fighter. Just got his purple belt that day.
Sevan Matossian (20:58):
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (20:58):
You got to, you got to meet all these great people back then and train with these, you know, great guys. Um, uh, it was a great time to get into it now. It’s amazing how much it’s not amazing. It’s understandable how much it blew up. I know so many people who are, uh, accomplished at Brazilian juujitsu now. And
Sevan Matossian (21:17):
Are you still a practitioner?
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (21:19):
You know, I just, I just messaged my friend about training tonight, but I can’t say I’m like when I was, when I used to, I, when, when I, uh, I haven’t done, I used to do it incredibly seriously. And then when I got married and had kids, it’s completely put a, put a, this is my excuse, but I’m not blaming anything for anybody but myself, but, but I just couldn’t adjust to raising kids and the wife and all that stuff. But now that, uh, I’m divorced and I have that more time cuz the kids are with her and the kids with me and I’m thinking here’s my chance to get back into my passion.
Sevan Matossian (21:53):
How was your youngest child?
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (21:54):
It was a great passion thing where my youngest is eight.
Sevan Matossian (21:57):
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (21:58):
Uh, it was a passion thing that I purely did before I was married and uh, was something, not something where I’m teaching. It’s something where I’m just shut up and learning. Um, so yeah. Well then now I’m really interested in now I’m really interested in uh, C lot and Filipino stuff. That’s where my sort of brain is going towards
Sevan Matossian (22:22):
Susan. What’s that C lot. I’m gonna
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (22:24):
Sevan Matossian (22:26):
C L O T
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (22:27):
S S I L a T.
Sevan Matossian (22:30):
I don’t think I’ve ever guessed how anywhere to spell correctly in my entire life. I’m I’m per I have a perfect record.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (22:34):
Sevan Matossian (22:36):
Uh, well Matt pulls this up. You talk about the six pillars of B D.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (22:43):
Yeah. You know so much about me
Sevan Matossian (22:48):
<laugh> I stayed up last night studying <laugh> you know, when someone says to me, I may only have a half hour. I think I leverage my ego and I say, I will, I will create a room of love that he cannot leave. <laugh> I will seduce. I will seduce him.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (23:17):
That’s the opposite of ego created
Sevan Matossian (23:19):
The 30 minute mark. He will be, he will be, he’ll be begging me for more <laugh> uh, at, at six pillars of BTE. Um, I, I will not criticize check. I am tolerant. No problem. Let the cockroaches crawl over me. I, I, I, I lean into, I lean into discomfort. I will take no offense. Well, of course. Well of course I, I would be embarrassed. I, I would be in my ego will not let me show being offended. I would leverage my ego and hide it, bury it, push it down. Even if I had to, I think people who are offended are weak. I do not wish to expose my weakness to the world. I wish to fight with it alone. I am quick to apologize. Uh, oh, I got a problem with this one. I got a real big problem with this one. Can we come back to it one second? Sure. I learned these from you last night. I see the good in others and I let them know it. Oh man, man, you have nice, nice eyes RA <inaudible> thank
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (24:21):
You, my friend
Sevan Matossian (24:22):
<laugh> and uh, and oh, oh, I ran outta room here on the page. Um, don’t tell me, uh, number six. I am grateful for my blessings and I keep a tally. Holy crap. I look out the window and I see the sun is there and I’m thank you. I scream in my heart. Thank you to the heavens for another beautiful day where the grass is green in my backyard. Simple, powerful stuff. Yes. This apology one really, really is something that, uh, I I’m struggling with these days because of this reason. And I’ll use your friend, Joe Rogan as the example. Sure. When he apologizes for using a word that offends other people, what he is doing is validating their weakness, validating their right to be offended. There’s a, Dawa saying argue your limitations in your yours. Sure. I think it is one of the most bizarre things that we keep enforced on planet earth, that Jews are born into the world and there’s a word waiting for them, kike that they are supposed to be offended by their entire life.
Sevan Matossian (25:38):
And when we say, sorry, we reinforce at the most fundamental levels of this human brain, how it works and how words work that they are. We are insisting that they be offended. And I see us as plantation, not curators. Um, uh, um, uh, I don’unno what the other words are, but, but the enforcers of the implantation, you must be offended by those words I insist. And I, and I get concerned that an apology is at the root of that. Do you feel me on that? When I see, when I watch my own mind, I see how that may oh, seven. I’m sorry. I’m sorry that I said that I’m short guys don’t get pussy. When a girl tells me that. All I hear is is that she meant it. You know what I mean? Like I’m five, five. It’s like, uh, yeah. I struggle with that. One. Number three. Raath number four. I’m sorry. I’m quick to apologize. Yeah.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (26:40):
I, you know, seven. I, I appreciate your point. Um, thank you. And I fully understand, I, I fully, I fully, uh, at least philosophically understand that nobody can hurt me. Like I, I can only hurt myself. I can choose to be hurt cetera. And uh, that’s I
Sevan Matossian (26:57):
Looked up the word, sorry, by the way, too, to make sure that I understood it. Right. And I really think I
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (27:01):
Do. Yeah. Um, quick to apologize. So I, I understand that I’m not gonna take offense. I’m not gonna let, I’m not gonna let people in, in I’m gonna not gonna hold onto those resentments. Um, I won’t, uh, uh, take that offense. No one can hurt me at the same time. I have to be sensitive cause I tend to be obtuse. And that apology is to sort of clear me from my ABTU obtuseness or shorts. It doesn’t mean I wallow in it and I live in it, but I’m gonna hurt people. Of course, they may not be at the place where they won’t let people hurt them, but I have to be, I have to be sensitive. I have to be sensitive. I understand that also everybody’s got their karma. They gotta deal with and they have to relinquish also and get to that point of a little bit of a thicker skin to even survive in this world.
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (28:01):
Um, they have Tomo. They have to be sort of Bulletproof in one sense. And I don’t think we should pander to it, but for my benefit, I should be sensitive. Um, because everybody’s actually got God in their hearts and therefore, even a person like yourself. If I, if I said something that could be construed as hurtful, even though you have personal, um, governance for yourself and your emotions, because you are a child of God, God takes offense. Like God is sensitive. Just like, like for example, you could say whatever you want to me, but if you like rough up, my kid I’ll lose my cool. You know what I mean? <laugh> because the, the thing is I love that person. Mm-hmm <affirmative> I love that child. And therefore I become a mama bear, a Papa bear, et cetera. In the same sense you might be cool. You might be like, Hey, you, you can’t hurt me anyway. Call me whatever you want. Do whatever you want, you know, step on my foot. But because there is a source, a higher power that is all love and loves every living being, I have to be sensitive and just treat each other with dignity. Now you might go outta your way. Some people were looking to be offended, ever meet people like that. You could say, Hey,
Sevan Matossian (29:25):
I see ’em on TV all the time. <laugh>
Raghunath “Ray” Cappo (29:27):
I love say I love your shirt. And then be like, well, what’s the matter with the shirt I wore wore yesterday. Yeah. What do you mean by that? Love your shirt today. <laugh> so they’re looking to be hurt. And I, I, I will say those people are gonna have a lot of problems in their life, but that being said, I should be sensitive and just treat each other with an appropriate type of dignity and be sensitive, cuz I tend to be a little obtuse, shortsighted, et cetera. But I do hear what you’re saying and yeah, I don’t know if that was useful, but.
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