#424 – CrossFit Semifinal | MACC Day 2 Recap

Andrew Hiller (00:00):

What’s wrong with you?

Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Cheese crackers. BA we’re live Hiller. We can’t wait for you. Every show. Well

Andrew Hiller (00:07):

There fucker you’re you’re right next time, I’ll be here on time.

Mattew Ouza (00:10):

Just immediately throw, go

Sevan Matossian (00:12):

To the bus. Hiller was shirtless and I tried to go live and he is like, no, no, no. I, I don’t wanna be topless. Wait a minute.

Andrew Hiller (00:17):

I had a tape over shirt on

Sevan Matossian (00:18):

Scrambling to cover up his titties.

Andrew Hiller (00:20):

You know, if you were here on time, you would’ve heard about the pump session that was going on before you got here,

Sevan Matossian (00:25):

Who was getting pumped.

Andrew Hiller (00:26):

You, you wouldn’t, you like

Sevan Matossian (00:27):

To know that girl on the bed behind Taylor

Taylor Self (00:30):

<laugh> oh my gosh.

Andrew Hiller (00:32):


Sevan Matossian (00:33):

I’m just trying to understand what’s going on. You’re muted. I’m just trying to

Taylor Self (00:36):

That’s that’s my girl. I’m in the same room as Jr. So I try not to echo.

Sevan Matossian (00:41):

Ah he’s wow. Jr. Looks like he’s in a much nicer room. Maybe it’s just your mustache makes

Andrew Hiller (00:45):

Why is one dark and one’s not dark.

Taylor Self (00:48):

I like it. Cause I’m sitting in front of the window.

Mattew Ouza (00:50):

That lady looks good. Let’s on you.

Sevan Matossian (00:54):

I, I, um, SU there is a comment on one of our YouTubes, uh, from yesterday. Sorry guys. I don’t mean to bother you with, um, house cleaning, but there’s a comment on here that needs to be erased.

Mattew Ouza (01:09):

Did somebody call me a creep again?

Sevan Matossian (01:11):

Yeah, kind of. They said, uh,

Mattew Ouza (01:14):

Chase down a couple CrossFit

Andrew Hiller (01:15):

Apps you made, you made JRF <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (01:20):

But I can’t find it. They said something about you being better than me when you host the show because you don’t interrupt. If you could erase that

Andrew Hiller (01:27):

<laugh> promptly

Mattew Ouza (01:28):

Deleted promptly, deleted,

Sevan Matossian (01:30):

Uh, Sydney tion make a mission.

Taylor Self (01:36):

Clown that,

Sevan Matossian (01:38):

Uh, say that again.

Taylor Self (01:40):

She just got crushed. Her running looked so bad.

Sevan Matossian (01:43):

Well, that’s,

Andrew Hiller (01:43):

That’s what, that’s what Sivan was saying on the last show. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (01:46):

Uh, well, it’s, it’s interesting that I’m, I’m still proud of her. She’s a beast, but uh, I just, I, I wanna jump way ahead here real quick. Is that gonna be problem at the games

Taylor Self (01:57):

Running? Depends on

Andrew Hiller (01:58):

Who’s programming.

Taylor Self (01:59):

Yes. Ye well, in yours, past running is a huge issue with games.

Sevan Matossian (02:05):

Oh. Like, like especially last year, uh, is that that’s like almost some like the kind of holes GE has. Right.

Taylor Self (02:14):

Uh, I mean, we’ll see when he does, uh, when he does a semi-final I, it, it seems that he’s probably tightened those up a bit more. Um, she’s a lot younger and man, she is just a unit too. Just washing her on the runner was

Andrew Hiller (02:27):

A lot younger than who?

Sevan Matossian (02:30):

Just a lot in general period.

Taylor Self (02:32):

A lot longer, a lot like younger in general in period. Yeah. Got

Andrew Hiller (02:35):

It. I think he’s younger. Isn’t he? 2120.

Taylor Self (02:39):

How old is, how old

Sevan Matossian (02:39):

Is she? No, I didn’t take it that way that he was saying that I thought, I think he was just saying she’s young. Oh, younger than the pack. And then that, uh, that she has a lot of room to, Hey, can you fix that? Can you fix running, uh, Jr. At 22? Can you, can you make someone, can you just turn someone into a, a LA bizarre GI?

Taylor Self (02:58):

Well, I mean, I definitely

JR Howell (02:58):

Think athlete has some kind of essence of, are they twitchy? Are they faster Twitch? Are they more, uh, slow Twitch, but running is definitely something that you can get better at. It just takes some time, not, not as long as somewhat argue that it takes to get strong, but it definitely takes some time,

Sevan Matossian (03:14):

Uh, who who’s. Uh, how does Amanda Barnhart run?

Taylor Self (03:20):

Very similarly.

Sevan Matossian (03:21):

Yeah. That’s what I would think. That’s what I would think. Right. I mean, they’re kind, who said it, someone said, uh, she’s a unit and that’s like, when I think of Amanda Barnhart too, she looks like she’s just brought out of the matrix.

Andrew Hiller (03:31):

Why isn’t Ben Berger on fixed her running yet?

Sevan Matossian (03:34):


Taylor Self (03:34):

It’s all his fault.

Sevan Matossian (03:36):

Oh, that’s, Amanda’s over there at the, at the, um,

Andrew Hiller (03:39):

She’s Ben for some time. Hmm. Everyone would say, look at Cole ser he’s a good runner. So doesn’t bend bird on big, good runners. And it’s like, no Cole. Sagers always been a good runner. Just like Amanda. Barnhart’s always been strong. Just like Chandler Smith has never moved well, T do much,

Taylor Self (03:54):

I think, to clear up kind of some of my previous statements. I don’t, I just think different coaches have different flavors. You know, we heard James towns and earlier talking about how he focus, focuses on the mental so much. Whereas from what I hear with Matt, um, I’m sure he, he focuses on the mental to a high degree, but it also seems like he’s super focused on the minutia of movement efficiency. Um, and so I just think you get different perspectives with different coaches. I wasn’t saying earlier, you know, Ben’s a bad coach. I don’t know him at all and I’ve never been coached by him. So what the fuck do I know?

Sevan Matossian (04:26):

Oh, you got your peepee slapped. You got your peep slapped between the show and last show someone, someone told you fucking watch that fork 10 years.

Taylor Self (04:33):

<laugh> no, no. I, I just think different coaches are different. I, I have my coach and I love them. Um, and I don’t want any other coach. I think, I think they’re just different coaches are different. And I would, I would, you know, I would be really interested in, in seeing the dynamic of a one-on-one coaches. I wonder how rich coaches Haley or I guess Tasha’s her one-on-one coach, but I, that would be an interesting dynamic.

Sevan Matossian (04:58):

Well, we heard, I dunno if it was on this show or it was after one of the shows, but someone basically said, and we could have Haley on and ask her. Um, but that, uh, she, she, she kind of refuses to start with strength training. She starts every day with like a Metcon,

Taylor Self (05:12):

Which isn’t the coach’s fault. So when, when you say like, oh, Hey, um,

Sevan Matossian (05:17):

I don’t know if that’s true. That’s just the word on the screen.

Andrew Hiller (05:19):

Yeah. Who said that? Who was there? Who said that?

Sevan Matossian (05:21):

I don’t remember. Well,

Taylor Self (05:23):


Sevan Matossian (05:23):

It was written in a bathroom stall somewhere, I was written in a bathroom.

Andrew Hiller (05:26):

Yeah. I heard a rumor.

Taylor Self (05:27):

Well, to that, to that point, it’s like, you know, for James, for James towns and who, I’m sure he’s got a high degree of confidence in himself, but say like, oh, can you fix Haley? Well, if it’s just technique and she’s coachable and she wants to fix that technique then. Sure. But I would, I would make the assumption that she’s probably on some really good strength programming. She probably has some very fit individuals who move very well, coaching her own efficiency. And it’s probably to a degree. How much of a step back is she willing to take to get stronger?

Sevan Matossian (05:55):

Uh, sorry. I’m, I’m a little to the game, but Amanda S and, uh, uh, Sidney are both with, um, comp train. Oh, so maybe Sydney does have a running coach and a running coach. Is Amanda Barnhart.

Andrew Hiller (06:07):

<laugh> Sam. I dunno if they coach each other, but you’re onto something.

Sevan Matossian (06:13):

Uh, okay. Um, I, I lost my notes, unfortunately. Uh, well,

Andrew Hiller (06:19):

It was, oh,

Sevan Matossian (06:20):

No, it was a technical

Andrew Hiller (06:21):

You’re up.

Sevan Matossian (06:22):

I <laugh>, no, Susan just lets you guys talk. Uh, Alexis, um, uh, Johnson. Did you guys see her throw her belt? I’m going back to the teams, uh, back from, uh, this morning event for, she gets off the pullups she does, was it 10 or 20? Was it 20,

Andrew Hiller (06:43):

20? Pullups,

Sevan Matossian (06:44):

20, 20 pullups for the team. And then she goes over to where the dumb tank is and, uh, she throws her belt and it flies in the air and goes two lanes over. Did you guys see that? So first lemme ask you this. Why would you need a belt in that workout? Is that for the, the shoulder and the Dal or the sandbag?

Andrew Hiller (07:04):

Are you talking about the individual event?

Sevan Matossian (07:06):

No. Sorry. I’m talking about the team event, this young lady here, when she got off the pullup, our, she had a weight belt and she threw it and it went flying 20 feet in the air, as high as the rig 15 feet there and landed two lanes over. Did you see that shit? Like if her competitor would’ve been there and, and rich was commentating and he was dying, laughing, he was like, oh, she’s never gonna live his gown. And then one of the other commentators, I think it was Sean or Tanya was like, Hey, isn’t she gonna need that belt?

Andrew Hiller (07:33):


Sevan Matossian (07:35):

But she just left it. You did you guys see that? Um, if you could find that SU that little section, uh, remember,

Andrew Hiller (07:43):

Can, oh, you try

Sevan Matossian (07:43):

To play it. Ah, fuck. Are you gonna, never, nevermind. Is that

Andrew Hiller (07:46):

Worth it?

Sevan Matossian (07:47):

No, no, no, we don’t wanna, oh,

Andrew Hiller (07:48):

You just have to mute it. Just mute it. If,

Mattew Ouza (07:50):

If she slapped somebody, it might have been worth it, but I don’t know if a bell toss is worth that strike,

Sevan Matossian (07:55):

Uh, rich was commenting the, um, uh, team event. I thought I did a damn good job and I thought that, uh, Sean and Toya Wagner integrated great with him, by the way. That’s a, um, I, I love to Wagner. I think she’s great at what she does. Do you guys listen to her commentating?

Andrew Hiller (08:11):

Yeah. She’s amazing. Fantastic.

Sevan Matossian (08:12):

Yeah. You like her, Jr.

Andrew Hiller (08:14):

Yeah, I think she’s really good.

Sevan Matossian (08:16):

And, and, and her and Sean are seamless and they brought rich in really well, too. Did any of you guys even watch any teams be honest? I won’t tell anyone. I

Andrew Hiller (08:22):

Watched, I watched mayhem towards the back end, but I missed the belt, talks that you’re talking about. Yeah. I didn’t see the belt. So we, we should, we should probably bring it up on the stream.

Sevan Matossian (08:31):

Yeah. If we can, if you can find it, I

Mattew Ouza (08:33):

I’m poking around for it. I’m

Sevan Matossian (08:34):

Poking around for it. Okay.

Andrew Hiller (08:36):

Just post it on your Instagram story and everybody who wants to go see it can go quick on your Instagram story.

Sevan Matossian (08:41):

I, I need the God that background for you is so good Taylor with the black and just how fucking albino that’s is almost translucent. I can see it takes

Andrew Hiller (08:49):

The head off. <laugh> even

Sevan Matossian (08:50):

Better. Can someone explain that team event to me? Like when does the next guy get to go? It’s four people do the exact same workout, but I couldn’t figure out for the life of me. When the second the person behind you gets to start going.

Andrew Hiller (09:11):

I believe you’re talking about the, the, the Syncro chest. No, nevermind. Okay. I’m I’m not caught up on that

Sevan Matossian (09:16):

Workout. The, the, the workout was you run, you, you ran and then you did, and then the

Andrew Hiller (09:21):


Sevan Matossian (09:21):

Up wall balls, and then you did pullups and then you pushed the torque tank, and then you did the Dal to shoulder sandbag shoulder, and then you jumped across the finish line, but I couldn’t figure out when or why or what triggered the next person to start. Like did, did you have to cross the finish line? Was it just when you touched

JR Howell (09:37):

Ball? No. It’s no, no. I believe they’re. Waterfalling the runner.

Andrew Hiller (09:42):

Yes. And in one of my comments, sections froing spoke about how there should never be a waterfall workout in a competition like this.

Sevan Matossian (09:48):

What does that mean waterfall?

JR Howell (09:50):

So that means, it

Andrew Hiller (09:50):


JR Howell (09:51):

That after the first athlete completes the run, then the next athlete starts the run. And when they finish, the third athlete starts the run. When they finish the fourth athlete starts

Andrew Hiller (10:01):

The run. You’re basically at the,

Sevan Matossian (10:02):

So you want

Andrew Hiller (10:02):

The fastest in front of you.

Sevan Matossian (10:05):

Go ahead, go ahead.

Andrew Hiller (10:06):

You’re you’re at the mercy of the person in front of you on the runner. So you want to get them way out ahead and pray to God that they’re keeping ahead of the person. Who’s second who’s third. And then you want your ringer at the end to be able to keep up as close as possible to the third person. It’s usually how a waterfall workout works like this. Who brought the guys

Sevan Matossian (10:24):

Who brought the torque tank back.

Andrew Hiller (10:28):

There’s the torque tank on that workout.

Sevan Matossian (10:31):

Oh, there wasn’t on that one? No. Okay.

Andrew Hiller (10:33):

Okay. That’s why I’m so confused with what you’re saying. Cause I thought you were

Sevan Matossian (10:35):

Talking, sorry, sorry. Sorry. I’m conflate, I’m conflating the two workouts. Okay. All right. Great. Well, I enjoyed the event. I thought it was cool. Uh, they had, uh, um, uh, uh, once again, Sasha, uh, Nevas uh, do the, the ringer as, uh, Hiller called at the end. Uh, she touch and go. She did singles for the first six reps with 1 45 cleaning jerks, and then she touch and go the last four and, uh, and blew across the finish line. It was pretty cool. And, and, you know, we saw yesterday, she said for the complex 200 pounds was light. So you could imagine 1 45 was, um, nothing for her. Uh, I don’t know who I’m going to ask this question to. Um, but is schmoozing the refs important?

Taylor Self (11:17):

Yes, I think, uh, and I don’t know that schmoozing is the right word, but when you, when you walk up to ’em before an event, you introduce yourself. Um, and my, my favorite thing,

Andrew Hiller (11:30):

And then you threaten them what their, like, like, like Ryan Fisher.

Taylor Self (11:34):

I like to like to say, I really appreciate you guys being out here and doing this, thanks for doing this. And, uh, and then go over the workout with,

Sevan Matossian (11:43):

And does everyone do that? Everyone goes over the workout with the, uh,

Taylor Self (11:47):

I don’t think everyone does that. I, I don’t go over the whole workout. I just go over a couple of the moments like, Hey, can I do this? Can I do that? Small logistical things that they don’t always cover in the briefing. Um, and sometimes they change things after the briefing. So I just like to, uh, I wouldn’t say schmooze, introduce myself, thank them for being there and for doing this cuz they’re volunteering. Um, and then go over the little things.

Sevan Matossian (12:10):

Eye contact.

Taylor Self (12:12):

Oh yeah.

Sevan Matossian (12:12):

Handshake. Yeah. Slap on the butt.

Taylor Self (12:15):


Sevan Matossian (12:16):

It’s all good.

Taylor Self (12:19):

Only, only if it’s a dude.

Sevan Matossian (12:20):

You think, you think you got, you think you ever got any, bro, bro. You think you ever got any bro reps cuz your kindness?

Taylor Self (12:26):

Uh, I, I feel like aside from some really heavy, like near like sub maximal lifts, I move really well. So I don’t really, I typically typically am not conserved with no reps unless I’m doing a movement that I’m pushing to failure. Like I don’t, I don’t typically have no reps in middle of workouts and like in like pretty common movements. So I don’t really worry about that.

Sevan Matossian (12:51):

Is that you two

Andrew Hiller (12:51):

Hillary common, common movements.

Sevan Matossian (12:53):

Have you ever had Hillary? Is your judge?

Taylor Self (12:56):

Well when I say common movement, I mean like, okay, if I am gonna get a no rep, it’s gonna be, cuz I fail a jerk at like 3 45 or I’m not gonna get no rep a lot on wall balls. I’m not gonna get no rep a lot on muscle up. I’m not gonna get no rep on pullups and shit like that. For

Andrew Hiller (13:11):

Squad. Speaking of no reps, did you guys pick up Brooke Wells on that long event? I dunno if we wanna go that yet? Sure.

Taylor Self (13:16):

I, I saw a lot of hers. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (13:18):

You’re talking about the wall.

Andrew Hiller (13:20):

She, it appears as if she lost that event due to her, inability to cooperate with her judge, her disagree

Sevan Matossian (13:28):

On which movement on

Andrew Hiller (13:29):

Which, why do you disagree? The sandbag in my opinion.

Taylor Self (13:32):

So she went out so hot and

Andrew Hiller (13:36):

She had quite a bit of a lead on Danielle, Brandon.

Taylor Self (13:40):

I know. And then

Andrew Hiller (13:41):

If you were to ask me and I don’t have an exact number, it looks like she got seven or eight, no reps on that sandbag.

Sevan Matossian (13:47):


Taylor Self (13:48):

She, she,

Sevan Matossian (13:49):

How did I not notice that?

Taylor Self (13:50):

Yeah, I didn’t see that either.

Sevan Matossian (13:51):

That’s what I, but round are you talking about in the third round when Danielle passed

Andrew Hiller (13:54):

Over the, over the course of the workout. All right. Alright. Maybe it was more like three or four, no reps on the sandbag, but it ended up like really kicking her back. She was like giving her judge a hard time, not giving her judge a hard time, but like what are you talking about? And then also the wall ball, she would pick it up and then she’d get a no rep and she’d put the wall ball down. She’d approach it. Not even do a wall ball, put it down. Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, you guys missed all that. I saw that at the end.

Taylor Self (14:18):

I just, all of it. Yeah. I saw most

Andrew Hiller (14:20):

Of that happened during her fourth round, but also over the course of the workout. She’d get a no rep here or there.

Taylor Self (14:26):

I just saw her after the workout and it looked like her soul was in Mars.

Sevan Matossian (14:31):

Yeah. On Mars. But

Taylor Self (14:32):

Yeah, she was. But if,

Andrew Hiller (14:34):

If she wasn’t given those no reps, I believe she would’ve still been ahead of Danielle. Brandon.

Taylor Self (14:38):

No, I think, I think those, no reps were gonna happen because she was just so blown up. I just think she went out too hot.

Andrew Hiller (14:45):

Like I, so you there no reps as a result of just being so fatigued, she couldn’t control anything that was going on.

Taylor Self (14:50):


Mattew Ouza (14:52):

It looks like to me,

Taylor Self (14:52):

Cause she, one time was S speeding. Some reps. She, she did one wall ball, I think on her fourth round, she like did a wall ball and on the way down she caught the ball and it like pushed her back and she like caught it and took a couple steps back. And that was a 14 pound ball. So

Mattew Ouza (15:07):

I see

Taylor Self (15:08):

She was messed up.

Mattew Ouza (15:09):

And what was interesting was underneath their lanes, like Danielle Brandon’s lane in Brooks lane, they had the markings of like where their feet go. Did you guys notice that? Like they came up in shock and stood, there did a few reps and then they marched where their feet were at. And I looked and a lot of the other women didn’t necessarily have that or at least not to what I saw. So she knew where her feet were supposed to be planted. It’s not like she lost it. So I just think that was just utter breakdown at the end of the, uh, workout for her,

Taylor Self (15:34):

Which, and, and I’m not talking shit at all cuz mm-hmm, I, I blew up at grand games, but I, I think that’s why she lost the workout. Not because of the no reps per se. I think the no ups were a result of her losing control of the throttle so to speak.

Mattew Ouza (15:48):

Yeah. That

Taylor Self (15:49):

Sarah, what do you think?

JR Howell (15:51):

Yeah, so it was really interesting before that workout. We were trying to figure out where the sticky part is, right. And a 25 minute workout, where can you lose it? Where can you win it? And although we saw no reps on wall balls all the way around the board, every heat, male, female, everybody was getting them somewhere. Agreed. Yes. Some athletes more than others. We can all agree that like we say, not all reps are equal, like a double under and a cleaning jerk at 2 25. Not all, no reps are equal either. If you get no rep on a wall ball and you’re like, dang, and you just keep going or you drop for a second, you pick it right back up. You get no rep on a sandbag clean depending on the method that you’re using to do it. That’s not just a one to two second penalty, but that’s also the time it was gonna take you to rest and do the next one.

JR Howell (16:35):

So now it’s compounding and we saw the separation and the workout be for a lot of heats who was able to go touch and go, but go touch and go because of their ability allowed them to, and not because they were just trying to get a lead in the first two rounds. Because when you saw, um, when you saw Mitchell Stevenson, he was able to hold touch and go two sets all the way through three rounds. He was able to do that and hold onto that. And we saw Saxon do the same thing and we saw some athletes start out touch and go and then rest for 15 seconds before the next rep.

Sevan Matossian (17:10):

Oh, which round was, uh, which he was Mitchell Stevenson in.

JR Howell (17:13):

He threw the second, oh, he too, I’m sorry. Second to last. He

Sevan Matossian (17:16):

Touch and go to all of them, man.

Taylor Self (17:17):

I, so I just wanna, I just wanna note me and Jr were talking about this. We were watching, uh, Mitchell Stevenson do this workout. And I think Jr said he moves up to eighth and he’s currently in a points tie, but sitting in ninth. So he is in a points tie with Louis, Oscar Mor for eighth and ninth. Um, so that was really spot on. And I think going, he was in the second heat, but I think going into the third heat, we thought that it was gonna be pretty tough for anyone to touch his time. And man is S and Patrick impressive. And I would really like to ask Scott what he thinks about how his brothers looking. Cause he just looks like a different athlete.

Sevan Matossian (17:53):

Yeah, totally freaky. Uh, okay. So let’s go back to a couple of those things we talked about before, uh, the lines were mentioned that were on the ground. The commentators, uh, on the play by play were saying that they, those lines were, um, uh, a technique athletes use when there’s not a wall because when there’s a wall in front of them, you can get a visual of how far you are from the wall. But since there was no wall and it was just a target up ahead, they went out ahead of time and drew lines. Um, uh, Jr. Have you seen that before? Is that, is that common practice?

JR Howell (18:21):

Yeah. You know what I think of when I see that is, uh, something most people do on bar facing burpees, you know, when they do ’em for lots of reps, a lot of times you’ll put two Xs on either side of the bar so that you don’t get too far away from the bar, but you also don’t get too close to the bar to where your head is on top of it. Cuz generally that’s a no rep. So maybe you saw some, like some teams at my gym did that for their line facing burpees on the team of four, just to make sure their hands are in the exact same place every time. So that’s smart to do on a wall ball when there is no wall cuz depth perception plays. When you got that, uh, clear target, you’re going for

Sevan Matossian (18:54):

Good visual clue. Yeah. We, we talked about depth, depth perception this morning. It can get weird if it goes, uh, <laugh> sideways, uh, Daniel, Brandon, uh, when you were saying all no reps, uh, weren’t created equal. That was a, a great description. But I was also thinking of this, uh, the difference between missing your target when you throw the ball versus not getting an up depth, I don’t know what the implications are of that, but there was no question ever that, uh, Danielle brand got depth.

Taylor Self (19:23):

I was thinking the same thing.

Sevan Matossian (19:25):

And, and with Brooke, like I, um, I mean I, as a re I wouldn’t have no Raptor, but I didn’t see a single one that went a little parallel just from the angle of the cameras. I mean, I’m not down there.

Taylor Self (19:35):

So what do you mean? You wouldn’t have no Raptor.

Sevan Matossian (19:38):

I’m a bro up the I bro up the fucking rep the shit out of my, she you’re

Taylor Self (19:42):

In again, Susie

Sevan Matossian (19:43):

You’re in, I bro repper all day.

Taylor Self (19:45):

<laugh> he’s just a counter. Not a judger

Sevan Matossian (19:47):

Out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I judge her smile, not her death, but, but doesn’t from, from the camera angles, we see that there’s and you know, we used to see that with Josh bridges and the, the truth is, is you see with a lot of people it’s I, I dunno if it’s, they, it has to do with their hips or whatnot, but it looks like they’re hamstrings, like hitting their cabin. They’re they’re they bottomed out, but Daniel Brandons figured it out and God knows she must have calves and hamstrings that are in the way, like everyone else <laugh>

Taylor Self (20:13):

Part of it has to do with ankle flexion. So if you have a great ankle flexion, you don’t have to rely on hip depth as much to feel like you’re going deep in the squat, even if your heels stay on the ground. Um, but if you want to ensure you’re hitting below depth, you need to sit back into your hips when you squat.

Sevan Matossian (20:30):

So, so what do you guys think? Do you guys agree with me? Uh, what, what did you, what did you guys see?

JR Howell (20:36):

Yeah, our view was, yeah, so like our view was from, from the back of the athletes. So the athletes were facing away from us when they’re doing their wall balls from our vantage point. Right. So we were seeing them from the rear. Right. And I can just say there may have been one or two in all the heats get no rep for debt, but what it appeared like was that everyone was getting no rep for ball height.

Sevan Matossian (20:58):

Okay. Okay. So, so, so either we couldn’t see clearly from our camera angle or it just wasn’t one of the stronger, uh, uh, pieces of criteria. But, but, but at least there was consistency, which I do, which I do appreciate. Okay. Uh, here we go. Um, I, I wanna get to talk about the dumb tank for a second. That something I thought of. So this is the big picture. This is a huge problem just with society. Uh, in general, it’s fascinating to me how fucking stupid this piece of equipment is. And the fact that there’s trust put into it as it being some sort of equalizer across the board. Uh, one, one of the things that we talked about early in the week is that the dump tank was being used to get rid of the argument, uh, that, um, that lanes may be different, that the grass may be wet. The grass may not be wet. It may be more sticky here. Something may get caught on a mat here, sleds pushed differently. Right? That was one of the arguments why you use it because you would have a consistent weight across the line. I mean, that’s not the reason why I think it’s dumb. I think it’s dumb, cuz you’re not rewarded for your effort and it’s not a competition piece, but have we ever seen these things be calibrated? Is there some calibrated, meaning, uh,

Andrew Hiller (22:06):

I know calibrated means, but I don’t think that they have ever been used long enough to need calibration slash

Sevan Matossian (22:12):

Yeah, well that

Andrew Hiller (22:13):

They has that little lever on ’em, you know, there’s a, there’s a lever and

Sevan Matossian (22:16):

I understand that, but you want me to trust that all of these things require the same 15 pounds of press to start getting them to inch forward one centimeter at a time or whatever the I’m just making that up.

Andrew Hiller (22:26):

You sound like,

Sevan Matossian (22:28):

But, but I don’t trust the fucking grass in, um, at, at the stadium in Carson. No, fuck. You

Taylor Self (22:33):


Sevan Matossian (22:33):

This is fucking ludicrous. You, you it’s ludicrous to me.

Taylor Self (22:37):


Andrew Hiller (22:38):

You trust that the weights are all the same weight?

Sevan Matossian (22:40):

I, I do, but this is a machine that I know nothing about. The pieces are inside. Don’t get me wrong. I’m sitting. I betcha. They are all right. But once again, you’re putting, you’re putting these things into, let’s say one of ’em wasn’t calibrated, right? Let’s say one of ’em did take an extra 15 pounds of pressure. We never fucking know

Andrew Hiller (22:55):

We wouldn’t, but we also don’t know. The sandbags have the same amount of weight. ’em either some look smaller than the others.

Sevan Matossian (23:01):

I do. You don’t. I they, but they could easily weigh those.

Andrew Hiller (23:04):

They could. Yeah. You’re right. So

Sevan Matossian (23:06):

If you say, how do you calibrate those? I know how those are calibrated. Yeah. How do you calibrate? Yeah. I’d like to know tank. How, how do you,

Taylor Self (23:13):

I know how,

Andrew Hiller (23:15):


Taylor Self (23:15):

How, well, I don’t think they’re calibrating the magnetic resistance, but it’s tire pressure. So if there’s anything off, in my opinion, for, for any of those, I don’t think it’s the resistance in the sled. But if you see some going a different direction or veering more to one direction, I think that’s likely due to tire pressure, not to, um, the magnetic resistance.

Sevan Matossian (23:35):

If I’m holding onto both of my boys, each with one hand like this and they’re trying to run away from me and one of ’em starts to cry for cry. I don’t be like, oh, I’m squeezing this one harder with this hand than this hand. I just look at ’em and go, you’re a pussy

Andrew Hiller (23:47):

<laugh> and then what do they say? But

Sevan Matossian (23:50):

I, how am I supposed to know? I don’t have my hands calibrated. I’m just saying it’s a competition. And the arguments around this thing, this thing infuriates me as, as, as far as like, you’re really pissing me off that I’m watching such a great event with such a fucking moronic piece of equipment right in the fucking middle of it.

Andrew Hiller (24:07):

I was, I was talking to Susan before we came on that it was almost down to the torque tank in that final event for the men. Like we’re, we’re, they’re, they’re fortunate that sex and was able to get through it and finish. But it was almost like a who’s gonna inch the torque tank that doesn’t even matter finish line. It was,

Mattew Ouza (24:23):

It is interesting though, because if it’s off calibrated and one even has five more pounds of pressure on it and you added up over the whole entire way, you’ve traveled, you’ve moved that much more fi like pounds per feet. I don’t know how they calibrated all though. But I see the point. You’re making some on us trying to say like, how do you know they’re all pushing the staples? Well,

Taylor Self (24:39):

How do you know

Sevan Matossian (24:40):

That? Go ahead.

Taylor Self (24:41):

I was gonna, I was just gonna make a science reference. There are probably a lot of things that you don’t understand that work and that are real, but just because you don’t understand them doesn’t mean

Sevan Matossian (24:48):

They don’t work, but

Andrew Hiller (24:50):

Understands everything.

Sevan Matossian (24:53):

But I, but I could, but I can, at least in my own head be like, Hey, I understand that this sled moved faster. Cuz the grass was wet there. I have no idea what’s going inside that fucking metal box that’s out there. And it’s just, just the, just the, I don’t like it. But anyway,

Andrew Hiller (25:07):

Are you claiming like a Tom Brady deflate gate deal where sex and Patrick actually went out there before the event and tampered with his machine. So we beat everybody.

Sevan Matossian (25:14):

I saw Scott fucking hobble out there and fucking take WD 40 and fucking super lube the inside. Uh,

Andrew Hiller (25:20):

And then it also like to the air pressure. Well

Mattew Ouza (25:23):

You see what’s really, what’s really going on is torque. Tank’s gonna see this and they’re gonna be like, you know, we’re gonna prove them wrong. Let’s send them three. And then three free torque tank are gonna show up and you’re gonna see the branded on the bottom and, and then you’ll know why we’ve done

Andrew Hiller (25:34):


Sevan Matossian (25:34):

I’m not hating on it as a training tool.

Taylor Self (25:36):

Who’s the moderator. Get this fucking guy, Ethan outta the coms.

Sevan Matossian (25:40):


Andrew Hiller (25:41):

Who’s Ethan’s he? What is he saying?

Mattew Ouza (25:44):

I don’t even,

Sevan Matossian (25:45):

I don’t see. I don’t see an Ethan. Oh, there I saw

Andrew Hiller (25:48):

Uh, oh he Taylor looks skinny. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (25:54):

Oh, you were so serious. Taylor.

Andrew Hiller (25:56):

That was good. I know that was

Sevan Matossian (25:57):

Good. I was like, holy shit. This is gnarly.

Andrew Hiller (26:00):


Sevan Matossian (26:02):

Okay. So I agree with you Ethan. So Jr is just, uh, has pop proximity bias. He is thin, right? He looks he’s he’s he’s like a salt water fish. He turns side, you

Andrew Hiller (26:11):

Know what? You know what Jr’s gotta do. He’s gotta take the computer and tilt it over Adam. So we can see Taylor from a different perspective real quick.

Sevan Matossian (26:18):

Um, Brooke Wells comes off of the, uh, the pullups jumps on the, uh, torque tank first. And when she does that, I’m thinking there’s psychological implications there. Because once you get on the torque tank, you’re telling everyone behind you, you cannot pass me until we get to the bags. <laugh> right. Did you guys think, did any of you think that, that it was important as a psychological piece to make sure you got on the torque tank first?

Andrew Hiller (26:44):

It sure seemed that way. Like everyone’s like get my, get on the torque tank, do the chest of our unbroken. So I get the torque tank first and then like also finish up the sandbag queen and just start moving. Doesn’t matter how tired you are at the end of either the sandbag or the chest or the Debar just start moving the fucking thing. It did seem that way.

Sevan Matossian (27:00):

And she held on for three rounds and then at the end of that third round is where Danielle Brandon pass. And it doesn’t look like Danielle Brandon changed her technique. She still did onesies on the, uh, shouldering the sandbag. Um, but it did look like Brooke was breaking down. I think Brooke started doing some onesies there too.

Andrew Hiller (27:19):

Yeah. Cause she had to do 50 of them.

Sevan Matossian (27:22):

Um, do you think it was a mistake on her part to go touch and go the first two rounds? Anyone

Andrew Hiller (27:26):

Did you notice how she was doing them touch and go? Like she would touch the ground. And if my hand didn’t appear as if her knuckles were touching the ground, if the judge actually no wrapped around one of them. So like when you do the sandbag touch and go, you gotta get like underneath the freaking thing and the sandbag almost arguably doesn’t even touch the floor. You could see Saxon was using the same technique. He was touching.

Taylor Self (27:47):

He was tapping

Andrew Hiller (27:48):

The, so you Saxon was good. Yeah. You tilt the bag a little bit. And the, but Brooke was not, Brooke was not tilting the bag and the judge actually no rector for it. I was watching, I’m like, don’t look at their touchin and then you no up the next rep. And then she put it down and started doing onesies. Like I said, I was saying, I’m telling you she fell apart on the sandbag from the no reps, man. She didn’t like it. No rep for those, she planning on going unbroken the whole way through. And then the second that she, she had, uh, altered the way she was doing ’em she was all outta sorts.

Sevan Matossian (28:14):

So what is the rule? Does your, um, does the bag have to touch or do your hands have to touch

Andrew Hiller (28:20):

Anyone got confirmation on that? I think the bag has to touch, but I don’t know for sure that would either way. I certain she got a no rep on it for that, that fact I’m certain about that, but from the camera, but you can’t tell whether or not it’s because just her hands touch or nothing touched.

Sevan Matossian (28:38):

I like staying quiet a little bit and, and seeing who talks first. Sometimes not often.

Andrew Hiller (28:42):

I like to, I like to just keep on talking. I’ll keep on talking. <laugh> I’ll do it.

Sevan Matossian (28:47):

<laugh> Jeffrey Burfield says the rule is the bag. Um, I don’t know how he knows that, but he’s, he’s usually

Andrew Hiller (28:54):

Right. You know, Jeffrey, I think he’s the head judge out there. So yeah, the bag is to touch. I’m not, I’m just kidding.

Sevan Matossian (29:01):

Uh, also what happened in the, in the men’s event also in round three is when Saxon passed Cole ser also on the bags. No, sorry. Or Cole ser passed Saxon on the bags in round three. And then I looked away for a minute and that’s when, and uh, and Saxon had taken the lead back. And that’s when I text you guys. And you said Saxon took the lead back on the run on the runner, which brings me to this question. They were interviewing Matt Torres on the side and they said, Hey, uh, uh, what do you think about this event? Matt Torres was saying, this is not a running event. Um huh. Um, that most of the time is not spent on the runner, but, but if, if Saxon’s passing Cole on the runner, then couldn’t it be argued that this is a running event.

Andrew Hiller (29:43):

This seems like a Jr question

JR Howell (29:45):

Taylor Jr. Take it. Yeah. So I think when people say that workouts are insert movement workout, a lot of that is dependent on what athlete is doing the workout. If you asked all the athletes what their limit.

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