#413 – Semifinals Recap | Syndicate Crown Day 3

Sevan Matossian (00:00):


Andrew Hiller (00:01):


Sevan Matossian (00:01):

That’s my bam. We’re live.

Andrew Hiller (00:03):

That’s my quick Matt. Don’t quote me on that.

Sevan Matossian (00:05):

We got Justin Madera’s first place. We got Jason Hopper’s second place and we got Cole, gray, shaver, and third,

Andrew Hiller (00:11):

I got spray missing it by one point.

Taylor Self (00:14):


Andrew Hiller (00:16):

Can you see it? I don’t have the video pulled up. Hillers

Taylor Self (00:19):

I we’re watching right now. They just announced third place called

Sevan Matossian (00:23):

Wow. Shooter Magda. Fourth place. Good job, buddy. Good job.

Taylor Self (00:27):

Some young guys getting in and then James Sprague. Let’s see it. This is going to be very interesting.

Sevan Matossian (00:34):

You said it’s time for the young guys to come in. Lizar was saying that in that

Taylor Self (00:41):

I hate when the announcers do this, just shut the fuck up

Andrew Hiller (00:43):

In announcer. Yeah, I know. I agree. God damnit.

Taylor Self (00:46):

Holy shit, dude. It’s

Sevan Matossian (00:47):

Not he’s chatting up. Danielle. Brandon. It

Taylor Self (00:50):

Doesn’t make it more

Andrew Hiller (00:51):

Fun. No, it makes it more annoying.

Taylor Self (00:53):

So goddamn annoying.

Sevan Matossian (00:56):

They got the camera on James, uh, Sprague and Wilmore.

Andrew Hiller (00:59):

Yeah, I know I did the math already.

Sevan Matossian (01:02):

Wilmore adds praying

Andrew Hiller (01:04):

Wilmore. I’d beat him by one point. Oh

Taylor Self (01:06):

Wow. Wow.

Sevan Matossian (01:08):

Oh my

Taylor Self (01:09):

God. Wow.

Andrew Hiller (01:10):

I told you simple. Oh

Sevan Matossian (01:11):


Andrew Hiller (01:12):

God. That sucks so bad.

Sevan Matossian (01:14):

Ah, I like, will I like, will I like James too? Oh man.

Andrew Hiller (01:19):

That’s that’s

JR Howell (01:23):

Dude. I was so ready for the, is this the year of the big man fit and four out of the five. Would’ve been six foot or taller and all over 200 pounds.

Sevan Matossian (01:31):

Uh, it, it, it’s funny. You say that when he finished his snatches and he had to run that 30 feet or 20 feet to get to the finish line, I was tripping. He looked like a giraffe that was gathering his legs. I mean, Sprague is huge.

JR Howell (01:43):

I mean him, gray shaver, Jason Hopper, then they’re all, they’re all big. They’re all big

Sevan Matossian (01:49):

Besides, oh, they’re having a big family hug. I mean, he’s been hugging his dad now for 30 seconds. 40 seconds brothers Hugg from the back. That

Andrew Hiller (01:57):

Is so

Sevan Matossian (01:58):

Rough. Oh. A tutor gave him a hug from the back too. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. This, this is, this is the kind of stuff you see the women do at the, uh, at the games. This is

Andrew Hiller (02:07):

Yeah, but there’s the men actually mean

Sevan Matossian (02:10):

It’s this isn’t the is intense. The

Taylor Self (02:12):

Man hog.

Sevan Matossian (02:14):

Ah, this is intense. Who is that on the screen right now? Holding, wiping the tears from his eyes is that will no it’s someone with a shirt on. Oh, that might be Telo or, or no, that

Andrew Hiller (02:28):

Might Matt pulling.

Sevan Matossian (02:29):

Yeah, you’re right. It is Matt pulling. So what happened? Matt pulling won the last event event five and then imploded on this event.

Taylor Self (02:35):

Well, he’s not good overhead. So I think his squat snatch is really tough. I think he was dealing with an injury at guap Polooza in his shoulder, cuz he did really bad in that overhead squat workout to celebrate 10. So I think he’s got an overhead issue. I don’t know if the handstand pushups uh, gave him issues as well, but for sure, the squat snatch hot snatch.

Sevan Matossian (02:54):

Oh brutal. Uh, I, I, I love the final day. I, I loved all even though had to get up at four in the morning. I love, I love just the last two workouts. There’s maybe I’m just glad cuz it’s almost gonna be over, but I, but I had a blast today and, and I had a blast just now watching this last workout. I know, I know. Uh, we had some complaints about the camera work, but did you have fun?

Taylor Self (03:14):

Yeah, I mean, it’s hard for me to, I had fun watching Torian. I had a lot of fun watching lowlands. It’s hard to say. I had fun watching Sy get just me personally cuz I felt like the camera work was so bad. Especially.

Andrew Hiller (03:25):

What do you think was lacking on the camera work

Taylor Self (03:27):

Man, event five. They spent like a cumulative time of several minutes on the fans, on the fans On uh, whose parents on James Sprague’s parents in one event. And then I forget who the woman’s uh, parents were in the women’s seat out was just so frustrating. There’s a, there’s a 10 minute workout going on. You can’t spare even, even 10 seconds for the fans. You put it all on the race.

Andrew Hiller (03:54):


Sevan Matossian (03:57):

I like, I like to just see the crowd. Well, if there is a crowd

Taylor Self (04:00):

Hand the crowd and then boom, back to the race.

Sevan Matossian (04:02):

Yeah, I agree. I agree.

Andrew Hiller (04:04):

What crowd?

Sevan Matossian (04:05):

Uh, uh, Jr. Are you at the event? Are you at uh, syndicate?

Andrew Hiller (04:09):

No, I’m back home now.

Sevan Matossian (04:10):

Okay. Um, there is something I wanna show you. I wanna go back to yesterday real quick. I wanna start with something fun. I had been asking about uh Madera’s rope, miss and bam. Here we go. We got it. We’re here on Justin Madera’s site. The guy has a great sense of uh, of his humor. And uh, I dunno, is there audio on this thing? Basically? I was rope. Do you the, well,

Andrew Hiller (04:35):

I didn’t know. You were trying to get another copyright strike.

Sevan Matossian (04:38):

Look at this. Look at this look. So

Andrew Hiller (04:46):

It’s like a grand total of three seconds. Know what you mean though?

Sevan Matossian (04:51):

He, the quote is I knew exactly what to do. Dot dot, dot, but in a much more real sense. I had no idea what to do. Michael Scott. I don’t know who Michael Scott is, but I’d like to know who the cameraman it’s the office Justin. Oh, it is okay.

Andrew Hiller (05:02):

I don’t even watch the office. I know that’s

Taylor Self (05:03):

The office. I don’t like the office at all. I don’t don’t think it’s that funny?

Sevan Matossian (05:06):

Oh, it’s so funny. Well, I don’t have if the line’s funny, but Justin Maderas is funny. Shit. I really like that.

Andrew Hiller (05:12):

Us getting it’s funny. I’m glad. I’m glad you found that hiccup.

Sevan Matossian (05:15):

Uh, thus getting a peak of that. Um, I have never seen anyone ride in salt bike as fast as I watched an oldest open, uh, ride that bike.

Andrew Hiller (05:25):

Come on. You’ve seen people ride that thing faster.

Sevan Matossian (05:28):

I don’t know, man. He wrote it like a 400 pound man. Did you guys see that? It didn’t even look real.

Andrew Hiller (05:32):

It was rather quick. Yes.

Taylor Self (05:34):

It looked like he was trying to give himself time. Cuz he knew he didn’t have

Andrew Hiller (05:37):

<laugh> James Newberry at the game ringer one faster than that. Yeah, that was faster. Yes. That was pretty fast. Um, perhaps for the event may, maybe Sivan. So could, I mean you watched the row challenge. Did you watch some of those videos? Some of those 400 pound

Sevan Matossian (05:51):

Pounds? Yes.

Andrew Hiller (05:52):

Rip it into that thing. Doing 50 CALS in 30 seconds. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (05:56):

I had a guy on my podcast once. I know you guys know who he is. I can’t remember his name now. Um, but he ripped a handle off, uh, an assault bike. Big guy lived in San Diego, trained with Sam dancer. He had lost like a hundred pounds.

Andrew Hiller (06:06):


Sevan Matossian (06:07):

He had the, he had the huge marijuana fields. I can’t remember his name.

Andrew Hiller (06:12):

Yeah. It’s that’s uh, I don’t remember.

Sevan Matossian (06:15):

Did you guys get up and watch that this morning over there? Get up for the

Andrew Hiller (06:18):

Oh yeah. Pickle.

Sevan Matossian (06:20):

Pickle. Yeah. Wow. Hiller. Yeah. Matt Bickle.

Andrew Hiller (06:24):

It’s in there somewhere. It’s like the, the limitless pill. It just needs to come out.

Sevan Matossian (06:28):

<laugh> did you guys watch, um, those events over there at the, to end this morning? Yep. You did. Wow. Look at everyone. Did their job, a winner of uh, um, event six men, uh, did not look deep enough to me. I think his name was Maritz F big

Andrew Hiller (06:45):

You guys. That was also lowlands. I thought we were talking about Torian.

Sevan Matossian (06:48):

Oh maybe. Sorry. Sorry. Am I talking about lowlands? Okay. I apologize.

Andrew Hiller (06:53):

Wanna talk about

Taylor Self (06:54):

Guy? We talked about Tori this morning.

Sevan Matossian (06:57):

Uh, okay. Sorry. Shit. I’m I’m all outta whack. Gotcha. Okay. So, so oldest in lowlands too. I apologize. I apologize. So correct. Did, did you guys see that I’m watching it? It’s a head on shot of him. It’s event six. He’s gonna be the winner, but he is, um, it doesn’t look like he’s even squatting close to parallel, but I can’t, I can’t tell cuz I’m not looking from the side. Is that true?

Taylor Self (07:18):

Yeah. It’s hard to tell when you’re looking front on if hip creases blow to knee, I’ll also say that. Yeah. Judges, judges making the call here.

Andrew Hiller (07:27):

God. Yeah. You’re talking about, you’re talking about free, big, right?

Taylor Self (07:30):

The framing. Yeah,

Andrew Hiller (07:31):

Those, those, no, the, the morts morts you talking his over at

Sevan Matossian (07:36):

Swats fi big FAAB big. Those

Andrew Hiller (07:37):

Were really hard to tell the camera. And I made a comment about SPR and his hand. And you gotta go with the judge on that one, which is tough to say, because we’ve seen so much shotty judging this weekend.

Sevan Matossian (07:48):

Uh, he went from seventh to fourth, uh, in that final event. Moritz.

Andrew Hiller (07:55):

Yeah, that was pretty, that’s pretty awesome. I mean the game’s cool story. It’s almost as cool as will Mo going from 10th to fifth.

Taylor Self (08:04):

That’s crazy.

Sevan Matossian (08:05):

I brought this up yesterday and um, I don’t remember who shot it down or two days ago, but I said has Laar arrived and, and, and what I was using was his lift of 3 0 4, 3 0 6, 3 0 8 3 0 8. Thank you, Hiller. Uh, what about today? Are, are, are we like holy shit. Um, he he’s gonna do better this year than he did last year at the games. He, he really is getting better.

Taylor Self (08:28):

I think anyone that beats EKG, uh, in the sixth event competition is probably, is probably pretty legit and here to stay.

Sevan Matossian (08:35):

What if I said, well, EKG didn’t have a, um, a, a good day or he is getting old.

Taylor Self (08:40):

Uh, he was top 10, I think, in every single event. So I, I would disagree.

Sevan Matossian (08:43):

Okay. I would also, I would disagree too. Okay.

Andrew Hiller (08:46):

Think he’s peaking. Oh, who’s gonna be his best year ever. EKG. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (08:50):


Taylor Self (08:51):

I, I, I don’t think he’s peaking for this event, but I think

Andrew Hiller (08:53):

He’s peaking for the games.

Taylor Self (08:54):

Absolutely. And I think this year, like you said, is probably gonna be one of his best, well, you know, next year two potentially. So we’ll see.

JR Howell (09:00):

So wait, so Andrew, best year ever as in higher than third.

Andrew Hiller (09:05):

Yes. I think that he’ll probably take third. Okay. It’ll go. Maderas Laar and BKG on the podium

Taylor Self (09:11):

Above ER, man.

Andrew Hiller (09:13):

Yeah. ER’s taking forth this year.

Taylor Self (09:16):

I don’t know, man. If he can just not suck it swimming,

Sevan Matossian (09:20):

I mean, then he can win the games, then he

Taylor Self (09:22):

Can win. I say that. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (09:23):

All the pools are closed in Canada.

Taylor Self (09:25):

Fuck pack. Come on, man.

Sevan Matossian (09:27):

Hey, superficially speaking BKG looks amazing too.

Taylor Self (09:30):

Yeah, he does look good. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (09:31):


Andrew Hiller (09:32):

He, we all know you hold that above every other metric.

Sevan Matossian (09:35):

<laugh> I mean, it’s true. It’s true. I’m like a B, I just see flowers everywhere. I just judge, I just judge a, a book by its cover. Um,

Andrew Hiller (09:42):

I don’t hate Canada. Sivan hates Canada. I’m just like playing ’em up. You know,

Sevan Matossian (09:46):

I just love the people. I just love the people.

Andrew Hiller (09:49):

Look at, look at that. Oh yeah. I know. I know exactly what you brought this up for. That last rep was good. Tia to me. Would’ve been no rep for that. That’s the issue.

Taylor Self (09:59):

Gosh, he’s move. He moves really well. I love,

Andrew Hiller (10:01):

I love he does.

Sevan Matossian (10:03):

Let, let me see that first one again. I missed it. I was looking down at my notes. Are you saying he popped off the shoulder and went straight down?

Andrew Hiller (10:07):

It’s the thing that everyone’s been doing everywhere and that’s, that’s either, it’s an issue or it’s not an issue, but when you ding Tia a to, we make her do an extra clean, which didn’t have any effect on her, but it could have had an effect on somebody else. Then this is also an issue.

Taylor Self (10:21):

I think that’s the,

Andrew Hiller (10:23):

This is the, this is the you’re

Sevan Matossian (10:24):

Doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Taylor Self (10:27):


Andrew Hiller (10:27):

Do this in your affiliate. And can you really yell at somebody at an affiliate for doing it? That depends on the purpose of it. It’s like, is it a qualifier? Is everyone else having to show control at the top of the rep? Could he have shown control? Oh yeah, of course. He could have shown control. He could have stopped for half a second, but then again, would’ve made the entire lift more challenging cuz you would’ve been under tension longer. You never know. It’s something that comes up in the briefing. It’s something that has to be put upon the judges to put upon the athletes.

Sevan Matossian (10:52):

Mr. Crash, Mr. Howell, what, uh, what do you, what do you think when you see Taylor and hopper do this, would you call them on it in the gym?

JR Howell (11:00):

Um, there’s been times where we’ve been doing workouts, like barbell cycling workouts, maybe hand cleans at 2 25. And I may say stand up all the way as in like make sure the knees are locked and if you’re bow-legged wink, wink, it’s a little, it’s a little harder to do that sometimes. However, I do think that when it’s for load like this, it’s way more likely that it should just be excused across versus one person called on it and one person not.

Taylor Self (11:25):

Yeah. Like you

Andrew Hiller (11:26):

Stood as long as it’s consistent. I’m cool with it. As long as it’s consistent,

Sevan Matossian (11:30):

I don’t wanna pick on YMI

Andrew Hiller (11:31):

Sponsored by ghost up there Taylor,

Taylor Self (11:34):

But no, but they’re fucking amazing. Hate to say it.

Sevan Matossian (11:37):

I don’t wanna pick on Yami, but he happens to be EKGs coach, um, yesterday or, or, or, or maybe it’s someone who works for gummy yesterday. We did see, uh, who got called for that. Was it a dude or a girl? Someone got called for popping the weight off. Was it magnitude someone, someone, uh, um, someone got popped yesterday. We showed

Andrew Hiller (12:00):

Wasn’t was it morts it was morts wasn’t

Sevan Matossian (12:02):

It? We talked about it pretty big. It was him.

Andrew Hiller (12:04):

Yeah. I think that’s who we were talking about. That it was okay,

Taylor Self (12:07):

Wait a minute. I thought it was fab and Benetti.

Sevan Matossian (12:09):

Oh yes, yes, yes. You’re right. It was him. Right, right. Um,

Andrew Hiller (12:14):

Uh, there we go was fian. Yep. What

Sevan Matossian (12:16):

Didn’t you see that it wouldn’t that be like something that rumbles through all the coaches soon as you see that, then you call everyone on it because this isn’t a speed thing. Right? I mean, people, this isn’t easy fix,

Andrew Hiller (12:30):

You would think so. It’s,

Taylor Self (12:31):

It’s kind of a speed thing. It’s like you

Andrew Hiller (12:32):

Don’t, you would honestly think it’s all an easy fix.

Sevan Matossian (12:36):

<laugh> what were you gonna, what were you gonna say? They’re using the momentum in, in that regard, it might not be a timed workout, but you’re using that momentum to pop it off so you can get a better second lift and a third one,

Taylor Self (12:44):

Uh, you’re just not sitting in the front rack time under tension. And I don’t think it’s like that huge, that much of a difference. But if that’s how you, you know, you don’t wanna sit in time under tension unnecessarily. And I think this guy Chadev has a great argument. The bar’s not popping off the shoulders at 350 pounds. If you haven’t reached extension, there’s no fucking way.

Andrew Hiller (13:01):

That is a good point. You’re

Taylor Self (13:03):

Not pressing that off your shoulder with your, with your tricep.

Sevan Matossian (13:06):

So, so now you’ve kind of changed the story. I, I, I was saying, Hey, all the, all the coaches should have seen this and warn their athletes, but now you guys are. But, but no, I I’m hearing you too. What you’re saying is, is like, Hey, this is something the competition we have to allow. Cuz we’re getting the full range of motion.

Taylor Self (13:21):

Uh, yeah. You’re definitely getting the full,

Andrew Hiller (13:22):

Somebody has to be saying something about how to be doing it for everybody. Did you see the difference in the sandbag cleans between the syndicate and the lowlands?

Taylor Self (13:30):

Oh yeah. Well syndicate. I, I think the challenge airs at 200 pounds. If you’re anywhere in front, that thing ain’t, you can’t control that thing in front of your body. You can’t even, you can’t.

Andrew Hiller (13:40):

I think you’re looking for a way to make it seem as if that’s the reason it was better. I think the syndicate judges were holding a better standard or they’re possibly briefed differently

Sevan Matossian (13:49):

When you

Andrew Hiller (13:50):

Saycause. They’re why really? Go

Sevan Matossian (13:51):

Ahead. When you’re saying you can’t control, you’re basically saying from the second you pull that thing off the floor, there’s only two places you can control it when it’s on the floor, when it’s on your shoulder, other than, than that, it’s gonna be momentum taking or

Taylor Self (14:01):

In your lap. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (14:01):

Or in your lap, your lap, but you’re not gonna get it here. And then be like, oh, sorry.

Taylor Self (14:07):

Probably with the 200, it would. It’s tough. But I, but I agree. They were, I think the reps generally at syndicate were way better across the field and when the no reps happened, they were like failure.

Andrew Hiller (14:17):

They called him on no reps. Yeah. Yeah. I would say

Sevan Matossian (14:19):

I saw hopper get a no rep.

Andrew Hiller (14:20):

It was a good, yeah. Probably thinking of the same one. I’m like, oh, that was a good call by the judge. Like if they were over at lowlands, they would’ve given him that rep.

Sevan Matossian (14:27):

Yeah. As a fan, I wanna hear the commentators talk about the no reps. He was side by side with Justin Maderas he got a no rep and that’s like something we need to know. And they were small and often the corner is that the one you’re talking about Hiller, like you had to be looking the camera wasn’t focused on them. Correct. You had be looking at, yeah. Those are the things we need to know. Those are the things that I think make, uh, put the tension and the drama in there. Or as I was accused of doing sensationalizing,

Taylor Self (14:51):

You know, I heard

Andrew Hiller (14:53):

Go ahead.

Taylor Self (14:54):

It was, it was interesting because I heard them talking about no reps and close standards on, on the ski wall ball workout on the wall ball depth. And I’m thinking to myself, out of all of the reps that you’re gonna scrutinize a hundred wall balls in 150 wall balls. Let’s talk about, like you said, the sandbags, let’s talk about the shit. That’s gonna make a huge impact in the workout. I don’t know why. I don’t know why they don’t talk about that.

Andrew Hiller (15:17):

Did you hear during event, the final event for the female side of the syndicate, there was the second heat going. There was a female doing muscle ups and you could hear the crowd booing and then the commentator, I think it might have been either Sean or Tommy. And they were saying how they’ve never heard booing at an event before

Sevan Matossian (15:36):

<laugh>. I did hear

Andrew Hiller (15:36):

That. Isn’t that mess. I mean, as it messed up, I don’t know. Maybe the judge should have just been saying that the reps didn’t count. I feeling that was the issue. Cuz you could see the reps were not up to standard, but the judge wasn’t saying anything.

Taylor Self (15:48):

Oh and that’s why people were booing.

Sevan Matossian (15:49):


Andrew Hiller (15:51):

That’s what it looked like.

Taylor Self (15:52):

Wow. Tommy,

Sevan Matossian (15:53):

Can you Tommy, can you clarify for us why they were booing? I was trying to figure out so we don’t know for sure. Right? Hillary, we Don

Andrew Hiller (16:00):

Sure. It was like the, the series of things that appointed to it’s like, oh, they’re booing the fact that she’s getting these reps.

Taylor Self (16:06):

Do we also not know if this is actually Tommy marque or is this a fake

Andrew Hiller (16:09):

That’s that’s actually him,

Sevan Matossian (16:11):

Hey, there could be two or three or four Tommy Marques. Like who are you to, you can identify with anything thumb.

Taylor Self (16:16):

I’m confused. Was that sarcasm hill?

Andrew Hiller (16:19):

I don’t know it’s uh, for

Taylor Self (16:22):


JR Howell (16:24):

Hey, going back to those. That’s the sandbag. Hey, going back to those sandbag reps, something I noticed too, I think in rounds, 1, 2, 3, and four, Jason and Justin were on the bag within one rep of each other and the camera would stay there for a couple reps. There was a distinct difference in technique between Jason’s and Justin’s reps. If you guys noticed Justin almost muscle cleaned it from the lap, released the hand at the top and then followed it down. Jason almost used his hip on the way up and red dipped like you would do with a bar and stood up both really smooth and effective. But as uh, someone in the audience, that’s what I want to hear. I want to hear the differences in techniques with a movement like that little nuances.

Taylor Self (17:03):

And I think I, to me, I think Justin does that or has the ability to do that because of a range of motion difference. I think for someone like me and Jason, we both do that with the Dal, with the sandbag. It’s so much more efficient when you’re longer, you know, breaking your back on the way up and going spinal to get that thing to the shoulder. Whereas I think Justin’s a bit shorter, a bit stouter. It’s easier for him to do

Andrew Hiller (17:24):

That. If we’re talking about the commentators and what you should be thinking about, how about the fact that will Moore beat everybody. And that camera was never on him. He won, oh, will just won the event

Taylor Self (17:37):

Or five. Like you have James FRA will more Jr. Mentioned this to me and Jason finishing within two seconds and they didn’t see anything or filming

Sevan Matossian (17:45):

The as much as I wanna blame those guys. I don’t think it’s those guys’ fault.

Taylor Self (17:49):

Tommy and Sean. No, I don’t know

Sevan Matossian (17:50):

Whose fault it is, but because they’re watching a Mon they’re, they’re basically slaves to the camera. Yeah. So they’re watching AEM on. So I, the way I think it works is there’s a couple guys on the field and they talk to the guys in the truck and the guys in the truck then talk to the guys who have the cameras and then Tommy and Sean tells with the camera seat. So if the guys on the, if somewhere the communication breaks down, if the guys in the fields don’t see will Mo ad or, or the, or the guy in the truck, doesn’t tell the camera guys to film will Mo ad, then it’s fucked. I, I, I,

Andrew Hiller (18:19):

And then will mod having one of the biggest comebacks really that I know of. And Brian would be someone that would be good to like stamp that. But has anyone ever come back? I got 10th into a fifth. Yeah. So

JR Howell (18:29):

Actually, yeah. So I think Tommy did mention that if will mod pulled this off, it would be the biggest deficit comeback since 2009.

Taylor Self (18:39):

Wow. That’s fucking insane.

Andrew Hiller (18:40):

And they got, and they only got the final. Second of him crossing the line for that’s

Taylor Self (18:46):

That’s a shame. That’s a shame. Okay. So Tommy says, Seon is correct. And why have these guys in the truck not heard this feedback over the past?

Sevan Matossian (18:54):

Oh, they have they, this, this is I, I, this is so hard for me to say, but this has been going on since day one. This has been going on since 2010. This is, there’s just, um, fire

Taylor Self (19:06):


Sevan Matossian (19:08):


Andrew Hiller (19:09):


Sevan Matossian (19:09):

You’re probably right.

Andrew Hiller (19:10):

Uh Simon’s like, I know what that’s like, <laugh> <laugh> not, you struck, you just struck a nerve. He’s like, no, don’t fire him.

Sevan Matossian (19:19):

Don’t fire. No, no. I also wanna say this, this yesterday in the comments I saw someone said, Sev, you’d be really surprised if you ever went to an affiliate, what the people look like, listen, you jackass

Andrew Hiller (19:30):


Sevan Matossian (19:31):

There are no, there are, you take the cumulative knowledge of CrossFit and I’m, I know more than anyone alive and, and top five, even the person who hate me the most would say I’m in the top five. There’s no one who knows more about how much money the company makes, how people are hired more about the movements, the games, all that, like a little bit of everything. I know more than everyone I’ve been to fucking affiliates on five continents.

Taylor Self (19:50):


Sevan Matossian (19:52):

Not, I didn’t go to the one and on and Antarctica and I haven’t been to one in south America. I don’t think which is kind of weird. Tell me. And I probably have, I just probably can’t remember. Tell me, I, what, what people look like inside of a fucking affiliate. Okay. Okay. I lost my, they

Taylor Self (20:05):

Look like Sivan.

Sevan Matossian (20:06):

Uh, so will mod by one point, uh, will mod is uh, 33 years old and James Sprague, the young man he beat out is 20.

Andrew Hiller (20:17):

That’s a pretty big gap. What do you anything to say about that Sevan?

Sevan Matossian (20:20):

I mean, to be honest, I think it’s biologically possible. That will, could be his dad. I mean, you could have a kid when you were 13. Yeah. So, um, but, but will, Mora’s been around forever. I mean, he could get one, he can get one of those OG shirts that, uh, uh, to get with the program program. You guys are selling. I mean, he’s been around forever. Um, uh, Luca and LAER, I, I know I don’t wanna beat a dead. I know probably people don’t give a fuck about this, but man, their relationship is so intense for me to watch on the screen. Uh, you could see, uh, Laar couldn’t even enjoy the victory because fully cuz his brother, uh, didn’t make it

Sevan Matossian (21:17):

To a guy

Sevan Matossian (21:21):

He’s fucking

Sevan Matossian (21:22):


Taylor Self (21:38):

Best. And it’s a, it’s another fucking month of grinding getting ready for the last chance. You can’t, you can’t go. Okay. I, you know, it’s so different than training for a live event cuz it’s it’s online format

JR Howell (21:49):

Saying it was, I would say it’s

Sevan Matossian (21:51):


Sevan Matossian (21:52):

There’s Instagram, there’s podcast Taylor. And then there’s real Taylor. Tell us, tell us,

JR Howell (21:57):

I would say the next day you, you gotta start refocusing

Sevan Matossian (22:00):

It’s like that. Huh? Um, do you tell, do you tell Taylor? Okay. Okay. Listen, you can fucking cry all you want tonight. Uh, six, when you wake up tomorrow morning, this shit’s gotta be over.

JR Howell (22:11):


Sevan Matossian (22:11):

Thank you for joining us, Susan. Good to see you buddy. Yeah.

JR Howell (22:14):

Even though that’s, even though, you know, it’s gonna take longer than the day. That’s what you’re feeling.

Andrew Hiller (22:18):

Someone’s having an issue with the sound.

Taylor Self (22:20):

I will say this. The more emotional that loss is too, the easier it is to get fired up for the last chance and want to hurt really badly. At least that was the case for me. Like I wanted to hurt every single day leading into the last chance. I think James Sprague and Luka duke are probably two guys that that’s gonna be the case for

Andrew Hiller (22:36):

Taylor. Where’d you finish last year and last, once you right there, like one spot out

Taylor Self (22:41):

Fours. I was, I was one spot out with, uh, two spots out with basically three scores out of more workouts.

Sevan Matossian (22:48):

Hi. Um, can you turn off the, the TV in the living room? That’s streaming the games. I think it’s stuttering. My internet. People are complaining.

Speaker 5 (22:55):

Oh yeah.

Sevan Matossian (22:56):

I love you. You’re good.

Taylor Self (22:57):

Oh yeah.

Andrew Hiller (22:58):

Now everyone here needs to know how important this podcast is.

Sevan Matossian (23:05):

Las. Uh, so, so, so that’s what Luca will do. That’s what all these last chance qualifiers guys will do. If they, they need to get, they need to get back on the, uh, the horse first thing tomorrow.

Taylor Self (23:14):

I won’t say all.

JR Howell (23:15):

I would probably say, you know, something Brian’s talked about doing better. Scheduling wise is making the gap between missing out on the games via semifinals and the last chance qualifier be a little bit closer together because you’ve got the people going in week four to five that are gonna have what, a couple weeks before the last chance, maybe one week you’ve got, you got the athletes this week that can probably take next week easy and then start to ramp back up again. So in a way they’ve got a little more of an advantage,

Taylor Self (23:46):

An advantage. And, and the other thing is there are gonna be guys who qualify for the last chance that are just so beat up and maybe even mentally fried from the season and grinding to this point. I think we saw that in last year’s last chance where you saw some guys who you would think were really fucking good. Just missed it in the last chance. Same on the women’s side.

Sevan Matossian (24:05):

So, so I’m not understanding, are you saying, bring the last chance qualifier closer to the semifinals or, or move it closer to the games?

Taylor Self (24:12):

Move the semifinals closer together. I think he’s saying so that it’s more

Andrew Hiller (24:16):

Like, you just don’t know how they would do that, right?

Taylor Self (24:18):

It’s yeah. It’s tough. It’s

Sevan Matossian (24:20):

Tough. I still don’t understand. You’re saying after the third week of the semifinals is over, get the last chance starting go get it going pretty quick.

Taylor Self (24:27):

No, he is saying it. It, it’s kind of hard. It’s hard to see which scenario is best, but I think what Jr wants is okay, if all these semifinals happened in two weeks and then you had the last chance, four weeks after the last semifinal, oh, then one, then one semifinal has a one week advantage. It’s not too bad of a discrepancy, whereas week one between now,

JR Howell (24:47):

Right now it’s a three week advantage,

Sevan Matossian (24:49):

Which is okay. Which

Taylor Self (24:50):

Is a lot.

Sevan Matossian (24:52):

What are the, uh, real quickly, what are the benefits of splitting the semifinals over three weeks? Why not do them in two weeks? Is, is it for, uh, coverage? Coverage. Okay.

Andrew Hiller (25:00):

Coverage. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (25:01):


Andrew Hiller (25:02):

Um, so everyone can go to the Torian and not go to the syndicate.

Sevan Matossian (25:06):


Taylor Self (25:07):

Yeah. And next extra I’m flying the Torian.

Andrew Hiller (25:09):

Yeah. Doesn’t matter where you live.

Sevan Matossian (25:12):

Uh, Lucas seemed like he wa I don’t know if you guys saw that, but he did stay perfectly still for a long time. They showed a picture of him in a deep squat, up on his toes and he was just holding his face. And he was like that for several minutes. Every time the camera panned backed him, he was like there. Uh, another thing to note, I mentioned this yesterday. I mentioned it again. LA different athlete. I think it was Baden, uh, Baen brown, but Lizza gets up there and he gives credit to, uh, the Fado and mayhem. We just keep hearing mayhem, mayhem, mayhem, mayhem. There’s something good going on over there.

Andrew Hiller (25:44):

Yeah. It’s almost like they should program the semi-finals

Sevan Matossian (25:48):

Or, or maybe they are.

Taylor Self (25:49):


Andrew Hiller (25:49):

Like what, or maybe they are. Mm.

Taylor Self (25:52):

I like what this guy, Bryce O’Connor says too. He says, if I fail a test in my professor gives me a second chance. I kind of just have to go with whatever they say should have been prepared the first time I don’t disagree with that.

Andrew Hiller (26:03):

That’s a good point. Bright Oconnor

Sevan Matossian (26:07):

Uh, Laura wins. The commentator asks her, uh, is Tia, basically beatable. Um, is, is that a good, is that a good question?

Taylor Self (26:17):

Is Tia. So

Andrew Hiller (26:17):

What do you mean is Tia basically beatable

Sevan Matossian (26:20):

Is Tia beatable. She basically says, Hey, what are you gonna do between now? And then is Tia beatable. Uh, you know, Laura, what

Andrew Hiller (26:25):

Was her answer?

Sevan Matossian (26:26):

She said, we’ll see. And then she said, what are you gonna do between now? And then she said, I’m gonna train. She said, what kind of training? She said outdoor training was. It was, it’s always very uncomfortable for me to watch Laura get interviewed. I don’t know why

Andrew Hiller (26:39):

<laugh> maybe it’s cause you had a great time interviewing her that you, you know what it’s like,

Sevan Matossian (26:44):

I, I need another shot. Yeah. I’m like a boxer got beat up.

Andrew Hiller (26:48):

Yeah. Get her on here. Pull her in right now.

Sevan Matossian (26:51):

Uh, are we surprised that FVA FVA qualified

JR Howell (26:56):

Shouldn’t be Brian picked her and said, this was his last chance he was given her. So maybe she hurt him?

Sevan Matossian (27:04):

Uh, she, no, she had one of those smiles on her face. Like the first time you do mushrooms, like it looked like it hurt. I mean, that thing was just like, she was pumped. Uh, Gabriela, Manawa. I, I know she went, I know she’s going. I know she did well with the first fifth, fourth, second and fourth. But does it bother her that she took third? Does she Al I get this feeling that she already sees herself as sort of an error to the throne.

Andrew Hiller (27:30):

I would. Well, maybe it’s fitting that the rope climbs were the thing, holding her back then.

Taylor Self (27:35):

That’s a good point.

Sevan Matossian (27:36):

What were you gonna say Jr?

JR Howell (27:37):

I would say if it doesn’t bother her, it’s more of a problem.

Sevan Matossian (27:40):

Yeah. Okay. So she shouldn’t be happy with third?

Taylor Self (27:44):

No, nowhere.

Sevan Matossian (27:45):

Okay. Uh, Matilda Barnes, Lucy Campbell. FVA is, are these, are these gonna be the new girls? Is this gonna be like, this is the, this is the new Europe.

Andrew Hiller (27:58):

Uh, they’re youngish. They’re all, there are 26, 26 and 27. Hard to say. I, I would say no, I would, I would say it could go either way any year.

JR Howell (28:09):

Well remember too. Their strength and death is coming. Remember?

Sevan Matossian (28:13):

No, I don’t remember.

Andrew Hiller (28:14):

What do you have to say about that? What, what about it coming?

JR Howell (28:18):

Strength and death is the other European semi, correct?

Andrew Hiller (28:21):

Correct. But what about it?

JR Howell (28:23):

Well, he’s asking are these the new ones that are coming?

Andrew Hiller (28:26):

Oh, you mean out of like the Europe?

JR Howell (28:28):

Yeah. It’s a little bit, it’s a little bit of recency bias, cuz we’ve still gotta see the other, the other competitors. We might be saying the same things about the ones next week.

Andrew Hiller (28:35):

Yeah. Who do we got in strength in depth?

JR Howell (28:37):

I know lowlands

Andrew Hiller (28:39):

Is a lot stronger. No, Sam Briggs is the next comment. She’s gonna be the next big thing.

Taylor Self (28:43):


Andrew Hiller (28:45):

Jeff and Alstrom. Emma McQuaid.

JR Howell (28:48):


Andrew Hiller (28:50):


JR Howell (28:51):

Yeah. I would say lowlands is, it was, is deeper, but you know, there’s a little bit of recency bias whenever we’re covering people for a couple days straight. I

Taylor Self (28:59):

Think it’ll be a good, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (29:01):

How is catching gonna do?

Taylor Self (29:04):

I don’t know. That’s tough. I think on the one hand, he, it’s hard not to look at last. Year’s finished for her and be a little underwhelmed and not give her much hope. But at the same time she just changed her training environment and is back with Yami and Annie TH’s daughter and them. And it’d be hard to imagine that didn’t give her a really big push.

Sevan Matossian (29:21):

It’s kind of a coming out party for her in a way, the same way. This was kind of for Sarah, but for different reasons, Sarah’s was because of an injury and Katherine’s is because, um, you know, we did, we did see her struggle at rogue. Right. And, or, or at least not perform as well as we would’ve liked to a superstar like her. And like you said, she switched training. So it’s, it’s, we’re all gonna be watching, right?

Andrew Hiller (29:40):

Yeah. Oh yeah. Watching, can you scroll through that list one more time? Let’s see. From the top of the bottom

Sevan Matossian (29:45):

And if she, and if she does do poorly, it will be, uh, it’s kind of like a, yeah, we knew it and she’s on her way out. You know, her career is weighing and if she does well, it’s like, holy shit, these Iceland girls. It’s not just Andy. It’s it’s, it’s all of them.

Andrew Hiller (29:58):

I’m not expressing.

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