#410 – Semifinals Recap | Torian & Lowlands Day 2

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Account. I don’t want to get it. Bam we’re live. I don’t want to get it. Uh, I don’t wanna lose it because I’m following people working out

Andrew Hiller (00:09):

<laugh> that would be a bad

Sevan Matossian (00:10):

Mr. Howell. Hey, what’s up buddy?

JR Howell (00:12):

What’s up, dude.

Sevan Matossian (00:13):

Good morning. Enjoy your workout today.

JR Howell (00:16):

I did.

Sevan Matossian (00:18):

Oh, where are you?

Andrew Hiller (00:18):

Nice. What’d you do,

JR Howell (00:20):

Uh, found a salt air rower on Facebook marketplace up here in Knoxville. And I picked it up yesterday on the way to the venue, but me and, uh, me and my buddy just put it out in the parking lot behind a big, uh, tour van and did like 30 minutes, one person rose for max calories. One person runs around the parking lot. It was about 200 meters. So we just did that for 30 minutes continuously.

Sevan Matossian (00:44):

Wow. Uh, how, how, how is that? I’ve never, I’ve never been on one of those.

JR Howell (00:48):

It’s a different, it’s a lot different feel. So, you know, they use them at waap Palooza and, uh, you could tell a lot of the athletes had never been on it, but it was like the beginning of that row swim run event. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (00:59):


JR Howell (01:00):

Was really just kinda like a buy-in. Um, it’s a, it’s a different feel. I would say damper wise, it probably feels like a four or a five on a concept too, but unlike a concept too, I actually found that if I decrease my stroke rate significantly and just let the fan really turn as long as it wanted to almost come to a stop, I was able to a lower split time, which is like the opposite of a concept too. They say you want to continuously keep the chain moving. So it it’s, it’s, it’s different.

Sevan Matossian (01:29):

How how’s it feel though? They’re good action. Um, that, you know, I don’t, I didn’t like those exercise bikes from the seventies and I get kind of that effect from the echo bike. That’s why I like the assault bike more, the assault bike to me feels like a real bicycle or the echo bike feels like one of those exercise bikes from the seventies where you just, you just turn a knob and it lowers a, a rubber, like, I don’t know what you would call it a rubber ball and pushes it against the tire. You know what I mean? To make it home.

Andrew Hiller (01:53):

So the magnetic resistance on ’em. Right?

Sevan Matossian (01:55):

Yeah. And, and I just,

Andrew Hiller (01:56):

Those are the pelotons run off of,

Sevan Matossian (01:58):

I can’t stand that feeling. Um, it might make you fitter though. Did you, did you enjoy it, I guess is what I’m asking? The, the assault rower. Yeah,

JR Howell (02:07):

It’s cool. It’s a, it’s just a different feel. So it’s just something else to kind of get used to. And I really got it for my home gym. Um, just kind of like to have novelty stuff that I don’t have at my affiliate. So like, I’ve got an old versa climber in there. I’ve got a generation ones here. I really wanna find a Jacobs ladder, but they’re super hard to find and they’re expensive as hell. So

Sevan Matossian (02:28):

That’s the thing. Um, um,

JR Howell (02:30):

Josh trains on it a lot.

Sevan Matossian (02:32):

Yes. Yes.

Andrew Hiller (02:33):

You like the Jacob’s ladder?

JR Howell (02:35):

I’ve actually never been on one.

Andrew Hiller (02:38):

Uh I’ve I’ve used one. It’s not the greatest. It’s not as hard as people make it out to be like, you can cruise on that thing for a half hour and it’s no issue. And I guess if that’s what you want it for, then go for it. But you put the belt on and you would think that it would be hard. Everyone’s like, it’s the hardest thing ever. You’ve you’ve seen those YouTube videos and people talking about it. Right. It’s not that hard.

Sevan Matossian (02:56):

What about the StairMaster? That thing, the, uh, that

Andrew Hiller (02:59):

Thing is fucking hard. It’s terribly hard. <laugh> yeah.

Sevan Matossian (03:01):

I’ve got

JR Howell (03:02):

A step mill. Yeah. I’ve got a step mill in there. Actually got it from my wife when she graduated from pharmacy school. So I got a step mill in there with a big, like, um, Roku TV, right above it. So she’ll just get on it and go for like an hour on it. It’s it’s an awesome workout though.

Sevan Matossian (03:14):

That’s the more accurate name, right? A step mill. I’ve never, I never knew what to call it. Cuz StairMaster is one where you just kind of stand in place.

Andrew Hiller (03:20):

StairMaster is like the Gucci of Stairmasters StairMaster masters.

JR Howell (03:25):

It’s just a brand. It’s a brand, but it’s

Andrew Hiller (03:27):

A, huh?

JR Howell (03:28):


Sevan Matossian (03:30):

Um, people are sending me pictures from all over, uh, the events and it’s pretty funny. I wonder if you’re getting stuff like this too. Uh, Hillary, this one’s, this one’s pretty funny. This is, uh, someone’s like, Hey, get this woman a ticket. This is rich Frings mom. <laugh> it looks like she’s it looks like she’s outside the venue. Like Colin, yo you know who my son is, get me in. Let me in. Yeah. I, I love that stuff. Uh, I got, I stayed up last night to watch, oh, I don’t have my event sheets here. Of course. I don’t have my event sheets here. I stayed up last night to watch, uh, events, uh, three and four over at Torian. Did you guys watch those by any chance?

Andrew Hiller (04:12):

Oh yeah. I watch him this morning.

Sevan Matossian (04:15):

Okay. And event event three was the lift event, right?

Andrew Hiller (04:19):


Sevan Matossian (04:19):

Is that, is that event at every, is that one of the events that’s at every semifinal?

Andrew Hiller (04:25):

Yes. Where, where have you been?

Sevan Matossian (04:27):

I, well, you know, I just don’t remember those things.

Andrew Hiller (04:29):

Yeah. It’s the one that at every one of them,

Sevan Matossian (04:32):

Uh, and the other one was the rope climb.

Andrew Hiller (04:34):

Yeah. You’ve been here now, you know?

Sevan Matossian (04:36):

Yeah. Um, I did not enjoy, it reminded me of my days of filming at the CrossFit games. I did not enjoy that event at all until, uh, Tia and Kara went against each other until, until car missed the 2 45. When we got to see TIAs. Well, we didn’t get to see her. We got commentated.

Andrew Hiller (04:51):

She, she didn’t miss a two. OK. Car missed a two 40.

Sevan Matossian (04:55):

Okay. Yeah. And then, and then Tia scrambled and took some, uh, and, and lowered her, uh, her waist.

JR Howell (05:00):

Yeah. She was at two 50. And then when she admit she lowered.

Sevan Matossian (05:03):

Yeah. Yeah. It would’ve been cool to see her scramble too, instead of just being told it. Um, did you guys enjoy that?

Andrew Hiller (05:09):

The entire lift? I don’t enjoy it. One

Sevan Matossian (05:11):

Just watching all those people lifted reminded me of being at the games. I really just don’t like any, I just don’t like any of the heats except the final heat.

Andrew Hiller (05:18):

Would this be a good point to, to bring up what I did enjoy about that event? Yeah, please. Which, which, which would be the no rep that Tia was given the first clean,

Sevan Matossian (05:27):

What a beast, he,

Andrew Hiller (05:29):

And, and then she gro grinded it out and hit the entire thing. Like she hit for a fourth rep by weight heavier than most of the females on the planet were hitting.

Sevan Matossian (05:37):

Hey, does that mean that, so she, that means she did four touching GOs,

Andrew Hiller (05:41):


Sevan Matossian (05:43):

Four touching GOs, squat cleans with two. I think it was 2 45. Andrew,

Andrew Hiller (05:47):

2 35.

JR Howell (05:49):

Yeah. Second load, I think.

Andrew Hiller (05:50):

And yeah, it was your second bar and then kinda final bar shoot the 2 45. Um, Jr. See,

Sevan Matossian (05:57):

That’s the, that’s the kind stuff that’s exciting. Right? Sorry, say that again.

Andrew Hiller (06:01):

What, what did you think about the CLE that she got no rep on?

JR Howell (06:05):

I think that

Andrew Hiller (06:06):

All, what do you think she got called for?

JR Howell (06:08):

I think that all 30, all 30 of the males in females at syndicate, would’ve been like, what? Same thing? A hundred,

Andrew Hiller (06:14):


JR Howell (06:15):

Percent. It was nuts. Like I I’m actually one of the people that when there’s any kind of barbell cycling for load the whole stand with elbows slightly in front of the bar and hips and knees extended, rarely ever, ever happens.

Sevan Matossian (06:28):

Okay. Wait, before you guys dissected, tell me, tell, I don’t know what the no rep was for. I saw it happen, but I couldn’t figure out what it was.

Andrew Hiller (06:34):

So I was, I watched it and it had to have been her knees. That’s like the only thing was that there was a slight bend in her knees, uh, at the top of the rep. That’s why I asked what you saw because she was standing there and she actually had control of it for what seemed like a second. And then she bought, brought the bar down. But if anything, it would’ve had to have been the judge calling her out for her knees, still possibly being bent. Now I said, and I was thinking that there were so many repetitions where everyone was doing that. They catch the first clean. They launched off of their shoulders. That is way worse in my opinion than what Tia was doing. Cause you’re looking there. You’re like, I guess her knees are bent. It looks like they’re bent, but everyone else is doing that. Think they stand the bar up and they launch it off of their shoulders. They never show control. And this is, this is an, this is an issue. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (07:19):

Okay. Couple questions here. Uh, Trina, thank you for, uh, bringing in the proper popular. Uh, it

Andrew Hiller (07:24):

Doesn’t matter

Sevan Matossian (07:24):

Vernacular. Uh, so you’re suggesting that we, so we don’t know why she was Nore. Uh, Andrew’s saying it’s because possibly she didn’t stand up all the way in the point of contention being the knees. What, what, what did you say, Jr?

JR Howell (07:37):

Yeah, I mean, I, from the front view, it’s kind of hard to tell where exactly the elbows are, but same deal. Just not

Sevan Matossian (07:43):

Standing. Why, where should her elbows have been? You’re saying that maybe the bar wasn’t up on her shoulders.

JR Howell (07:48):

No, I’m saying that maybe she was already starting the regroup as her hips were opening and that maybe she was start like the same thing that everyone else goes to regain their hook grip. But I thought it was way too close to call. And I thought the way that she handled it by just giving him a quick stare, finishing the complex, and then she just turned and sat on her bar and didn’t even say anything to the judge. Like that’s that’s

Andrew Hiller (08:09):

She was badass for that. That’s a veteran. She ever like, what the fuck? Like what, what <laugh>. Yeah. So if someone in there said, Justin loves their shoulder launch, and that’s what I’m talking about. If you watch mades lifts, he’s launching

Sevan Matossian (08:20):

What’s wrong with his shoulder launch. I mean,

JR Howell (08:22):

Wrong with that. Almost everybody does that at a heavy load. It’s it’s

Andrew Hiller (08:25):

It’s well, so, and that’s the thing it’s like, if you bring up the, it, they have the capacity to do the movements. When Tia’s standing there with the bar on her shoulders for what appeared to be a full second before she descends the bar. If you’re talking about it shows the capacity, the bar was sitting there. And if everyone else is getting away with the shoulder launch, that wasn’t a big deal. That, and this is why like everyone should not be allowed to shoulder to launch. If you’re also gonna be calling Tia for that slight deep end, which is what I think they called her for. They have to be

Sevan Matossian (08:54):

Calling everyone. Why is the shoulder launch? The shoulder launch. Isn’t an issue. And a knee band is an issue. The shoulder launch is basically you catch it here and it bounces up for a second, right?

Andrew Hiller (09:04):

It’s the showing control at the top of the clean. And I guess if you are shoulder launching, it shows that you could have possibly had had control. But with her standing there, I guess you could have also said she could have possibly had had control. Right. And when you’re saying these things, you’re bringing in like the arbitrary, like, well, I guess they had had control in both instances and in which case, neither of them did have control.

Sevan Matossian (09:26):


Andrew Hiller (09:27):

There’s my, there’s my circle of thoughts.

Sevan Matossian (09:28):

Well, until they came out, I, I wasn’t enjoying it. I, I will tell you that, but that was, I, I was like that, um, before at, to CrossFit games, I just remember, I feel like I, the, the, when the early heats were going, that was time to get new batteries for your camera, get coffee and maybe do some interviews.

Andrew Hiller (09:42):

<laugh> I? Yeah, I agree. They were, they were rather boring. It’s like the early events in regionals in what was it? 2014, 15 where they had the field up to 50 or 60 people and everyone was just there to go watch their brother or sister best friend compete. And then nobody was there until they really gotten to the final 10 people. And then they cut the field down because they wanted to make it more entertaining. That’s at least what I thought they did it for. They, they got, they, they combined the regions to get like the top 20 for mutual regions. So they’d be more competitive across,

Sevan Matossian (10:12):

Uh, yeah. Or, or to make more money is what it seemed like. Right. And, and I don’t blame them. It has to be an event. I, I mean, I, I’m not hating on that. That’s not a, that’s not a dig. Um, I love people making money to you, Claire, to me. 400 points.

JR Howell (10:27):

Yeah. I know. We’ll probably get to it. I know we’ll probably get to it, but that performance on the interval workout was so nasty. That was awesome.

Andrew Hiller (10:34):

Crazy. I just made a post about that.

Sevan Matossian (10:37):

Absolutely crazy. Uh, this, this girl, Georgia Pryor. Oh, no wonder I couldn’t fire her Instagram. Um, usually I would say this about the men they look like. I don’t, I don’t know why she is in, um, oh, I had it. I had it organized wrong. All right. All right. That makes sense. We’ll get to her in a second. Uh, uh, Tia Clark Tomi four points first, first, first, first, uh, car SA second, fifth, second, third. Um, and Ellie Turner, uh, who, who, uh, was also pretty freakish, uh, today. Um, is this, this is the way it’s. Oh, this is the way it’s gonna stay. Right. We’re not gonna see any change here. Uh,

Andrew Hiller (11:13):

You might see Ellie or Jamie pop in there depending.

Sevan Matossian (11:18):

And, and they only take three, right? It’s

Andrew Hiller (11:20):

Only four points. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (11:21):

Yeah. So Ellie and Jamie are, are sweating it,

Andrew Hiller (11:24):

And I wouldn’t say Madeline stirs out either. It just kind of depends on how those last two shake out.

Sevan Matossian (11:30):

Okay. And that was an amazing performance. Madeline STS lift at two 15. That’s not a big girl.

Andrew Hiller (11:36):


Sevan Matossian (11:39):

No, I don’t. I don’t know. I know what that plays.

Andrew Hiller (11:41):

She’s stronger as well. Hasn’t she, she didn’t used to be that strong.

JR Howell (11:45):

I think we’re gonna see a lot more movement than you think. Remember workout five is looming and that’s the 45 strict deficit. You just never know what’s gonna happen on, on a workout like that.

Andrew Hiller (11:55):

Good call.

Sevan Matossian (11:56):

So you’re saying that basically, uh, one of these top dogs, probably not Tia, but we could see Kara, Ellie or Jamie, this, this something weird happened.

JR Howell (12:04):

I think, I think Carras, I think Carras got too much of a cushion at this point. She’s got a 32 point with two, two events left cushion, but four, but possibly possibly five. You see there’s an 18 point drop off between fifth and six. So I would say three through five. You’re still probably gonna see some movement,

Sevan Matossian (12:21):

Like a 23rd place finish here. Could really screw someone up.

JR Howell (12:24):

If anyone workout

Andrew Hiller (12:25):

Six there, the, the deadlift one. What was workout six there.

JR Howell (12:28):

Yeah. One K row, a hundred dubs, 10 deadlift. I think their weight is, I’m not sure what, maybe I’ll have to look the men’s 4 0 5 and sometimes it depends. If people are choosing to do what they should do and make the female wait, right. Or use the old 2002.

Andrew Hiller (12:49):

So that means that the play is really gonna be on the SEL bag. Carrie strongman, Diane you’re right. Cause that one’s rather straightforward.

Sevan Matossian (12:59):

Um, I also noticed the difference in body shapes between heat, the heats. They don’t even look the, the first heat of women don’t look like CrossFiters

JR Howell (13:06):

That deadlift load. You mean, uh, 2 75 is gonna be that deadlift load.

Sevan Matossian (13:11):

They, they look like power lifters. The, the, the first, the first, uh, heat of women look like power lifters. They, they, they don’t look. They, they just, they don’t look like crossers. It’s a totally different physique. You don’t see it as much in the men, but in the women’s heats the women, the women are way more stout in the first heat. I think I’d love for someone like Tyler to do a, uh, comparison on that. Like a body composition look or something you didn’t notice that,

Andrew Hiller (13:32):

Is that his thing? Does he make body composition

Sevan Matossian (13:35):

Comparison? No, no. I thought is more St no, he doesn’t, but he’s just into like numbers and stats. And I would just be curious, I’d be curious to see like all sorts of breakdowns in heats, where they’re from their age, what their max lifts are. They just look, all those people look like that. They came from a, um, some sort of lifting background and they’ve squeaked into CrossFit and they’re starting to get into CrossFit. And that’s sort of where you enter. Uh, during that, I, I checked the number of views. There were 10,000 views, uh, while the women were, um, lifting, which is pretty, which is pretty amazing, cuz you know, all of north America was asleep

JR Howell (14:09):

Because that that’s because that venue by far looks like the most loaded compete in it. So it, I mean you can, I mean, we, this is gonna go down probably a big rabbit hole and I don’t know how you feel about this, but they’re talking about expanding the games internationally. Why wouldn’t you try to go to Australia? I mean, I know that’s crazy travel for everyone else, but as far as the excitement and packing out stadiums and the energy, I mean they’ve, they got the torches going. They, they announce people,

Andrew Hiller (14:35):

The torches are sweet.

JR Howell (14:36):

They announce people come out like, uh, you know, you know, like a wrestling thing, like, you know, in lane two and they say the athlete’s name and they play music for a second while they run out, it’s not like here come the heat three women and then they all run out. You know what I mean? It’s a little bit different.

Sevan Matossian (14:51):

I thought, uh, I thought, I’m glad you guys liked the torches I thought and all that stuff. I thought that was, uh, I was just a cheese Dick, just an old dude. I really, or that was like the little kid me. I really like the torches too. Oh, hell I show you sweet. I wanna show you one more thing too. And, and I don’t know what time this video was, uh, taken, but speaking of, uh, this is at, um, this is at syndicate. This is vendor village and syndicate. So it looks like the village isn’t open yet, but

Andrew Hiller (15:19):

No it’s open. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (15:21):

You think it’s open?

Andrew Hiller (15:23):

No, I’m kidding. It’s just, it’s that, it’s that dead kind of joke, you know?

Sevan Matossian (15:27):

Yeah. So it’s so it’s not open yet. So it’s a little bit of an unfair, but this is the, this is the view of the, uh, vendor village.

JR Howell (15:34):

There was a lot of action out there yesterday.

Sevan Matossian (15:37):

There was okay. Throughout

JR Howell (15:38):

The evening, but it is remember it was it’s Friday and there’s a lot of people that were still working. So I think I expect today the crowd to be a lot bigger.

Sevan Matossian (15:45):

Okay. So that might be a miscarriage what’s

Andrew Hiller (15:47):

In that white time. Any idea?

JR Howell (15:48):

I think that was whether doing like CrossFit kids class type

Andrew Hiller (15:51):

Stuff. Yeah. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (15:54):

Um, so, uh, I wanted to mention that Maddie Stewart did 1 95, 2 0 5, 2 15. We’re impressed by that. Right? Her size, her, her time in the sport, the fact that she’s getting stronger.

Andrew Hiller (16:03):

Yeah, correct. She is, she is getting well, I compare her to the Hailey Adams thing. It’s like, why, why is Hailey Adams getting stronger? We were talking about that yesterday. Why is she not getting stronger? The same way, Maddy STS improving upon her strength. And maybe she hasn’t improved as much as I think. But from what I know, I think she has gotten stronger at being mad Stewart and Hailey Adams appears to be hitting the same lifts kinda year after year around like the 180 5 ish snatching upwards of a 2 0 5, 2 15 C the jerk right around there for most things.

JR Howell (16:36):

Uh, this is something, this is something too, like I know we keep coming back to the need for maybe, maybe not all six standardized workouts, but at least having the two that are gonna be mandated, be done on the same day because

Andrew Hiller (16:49):

Oh, what

JR Howell (16:49):

We’re talking because what we’re talking about would be awesome. If we can do a cross comparison with the lift among all three of the week, one semis. And we can actually see out of that field where these people are ranking comparatively, because you, you, you could say something like this, right. For the men in toum only three males hit 3 25 or more on the complex that syndicate tended. Wow. Well, it’s really easy. Well, it’s really easy to say, well, yeah, the syndicate guys are just stronger maybe, but the Torian men had to do the chipper and had to do another event before, whereas syndicate started there. So it’s, you can’t even really compare it at that

Andrew Hiller (17:30):

Point. It’s like the year at the CrossFit games where nobody could clean a jury three 15, but everyone forgets that they did MERF in the entire weekend before that cleaning jury event. I remember watching Dan Bailey not be able to do 3 0 5, like what the fuck is going on. And then it’s like, oh yeah, I guess they did have the entire weekend before that. So you’re right. It makes a huge difference where that event is at in the weekend.

Sevan Matossian (17:49):

And, and do you think the value there is that it makes it a more enjoyable sport to watch for the fans and at, at no cost to the, um, uh, athletes and, and choosing the, the correct one it’s a win win

Andrew Hiller (17:59):

Forever. I think to a two-sided corn coin, because you got Ben Smith, who’s saying in his podcast that he didn’t think that it was smart to have that event at the beginning of the weekend, setting them up to be trashed after having done like a high volume of squats, which I don’t know if I agree with, but that was his opinion. And I guess it’s holding some validity and then also your side, which is, are they going to be lifting as much at the point in which they’re lifting it

Sevan Matossian (18:24):

Well, but, well, all it would requires to put them all at the same time. Hey, this has to be event one or this has to be event 10

JR Howell (18:32):

It’s idiot

Andrew Hiller (18:32):

Proof, if you do that,

JR Howell (18:34):

I mean, but I mean, but at that point you’re only taking care of the one event. And if you get to program the rest of the competition around it, every, every event proceeding, that one is gonna be different. So like, so like for syndicate, that sled workout was just gnarly. I mean, that was a, that was a move down for a lot of them were hurting, laying on the ground after that. Well,

Sevan Matossian (18:54):

Well, can we not call that a sled

JR Howell (18:55):

Workout? So yeah, let’s,

Andrew Hiller (18:57):

That’s why I was laughing.

JR Howell (18:58):

So they, so they,

Andrew Hiller (19:00):

I didn’t see a sled. I saw wheel barrel,

JR Howell (19:03):

So they do the complex and they do that workout, which was very aggressive, lots of legs. And then this morning they start out with 150 wall ball workout. So whether you agree with Ben or not, to his point, you’ve got very, very, um, dense leg, fatigue workouts starting the weekend. They start with the leg list today and then they do that wall ball workout second. But regardless of where they tell you, you have to do the lift. All the other workouts are gonna be different that come after it.

Sevan Matossian (19:32):

Uh, is this, is this, is this accurate? Did Tia flip off the, uh, auditorium pro programmer? I, I can’t believe that.

Andrew Hiller (19:38):

I, I didn’t see this.

Sevan Matossian (19:39):

Here’s why I can’t believe it in her interviews. She checks every box.

JR Howell (19:45):

I bet.

Andrew Hiller (19:45):

What do

JR Howell (19:45):

You mean? I bet you that comment, I bet you, that comment was like maybe backstage or when she got there, she said, I’m gonna do this in two, you know that right. And the guy was like, you’re not doing it in two intervals. You’re not doing that. Oh. And she did it. It was almost like a flex on him. Maybe that, that would be cool if

Sevan Matossian (20:02):

Good. Yeah. I like that. Uh, here’s what she did. Uh, when, when they interviewed her, um, they, they, they basically, they asked her about her programming. She gave a nod to Sean, you know, uh, Sean, she gave a nod to Shane, uh, Shane, or, uh, when she, uh, talked about, you know, like, why do you do this? She gave a nod to the crowd. And she said, well, how did you know you were gonna do it in two? And she goes, no, but when you’re with these competitors, um, they bring the best at you. She just went through, it was like the, it was like, yes, yes, yes. And then she even finished it. Let’s see, uh, nod to Shane nod to competitors, nod to the crowd. And then she, uh, dropped a couple, uh, CrossFit, mantras. She said, you know, when you’re out there, you need to embrace the suck. I mean, it, it was like, it was like someone just pulled the string on the Woody doll, you know? And, uh, and it, it just did its thing. <laugh> I just remember her never being like that. I remember her just being shy and now she just gets up there and she’s all poised and she just fires it all off. She’s a veteran. She’s different. She

Andrew Hiller (20:59):

Does everything. She, Chris Whiteman, it just like calling somebody, a cunt that she missed a box and Australia

Sevan Matossian (21:06):

Box. Right. That’s the

Andrew Hiller (21:08):


Sevan Matossian (21:08):

Box. If she didn’t say that, then it wasn’t complete, uh, Ellie Turner, two 30. Um, what if Ellie, and we’ll talk about this a couple times. What if Ellie gets 5% better? Is she the greatest CrossFitter alive? What if everything she does, she does 5% better.

Andrew Hiller (21:28):

Um, I guess she’d be about the level of Carra

Sevan Matossian (21:32):

And she’s 24. You

Andrew Hiller (21:33):


Sevan Matossian (21:33):

You have to, you have to, so, so Tia is 28. Uh, Kara Saunders is 32. Um, and, uh, Jamie Simmons is 31 and mashed in there as the little girl, Ellie Turner, I would have to guess she has the greatest room for improvement. It looks like we might be staring at the next best thing.

Andrew Hiller (21:54):

Uh, next week, this side of this side of Mel Bryan, or are you talking Australia specific,

Sevan Matossian (21:59):

Dude? I mean, she’s there with Tia. There’s no better comparison, right?

JR Howell (22:04):

Yeah. Remember though, these are, these are just, these are a handful of events against the field that ne isn’t nearly as deep as even one that would be at the game. So I, I think if you, if there is a place where you mess up, I mean, I think we saw it at, at waap Palooza, right. There was one workout that, you know, she was crushing it all weekends, one workout that, um, didn’t go too well. And then all of a sudden, like comparatively to the field that was, you know, relatively deep, but not a games field by any means you, you take a big hit.

Sevan Matossian (22:30):

Right? Okay. So I’m J I’m, I’m, I’m getting excited too quickly. She has more to

Andrew Hiller (22:34):

It’s. It’s just like the, the, the, the small fish, small pond versus medium fish, big pond argument. She’s kind of standing out against Australia. And I think you could probably better make this argument come games time, but yeah, so far she’s doing real well. She’s in third. I mean, she’s up against two of the potentially fittest women on earth.

Sevan Matossian (22:56):

Um, a, a, a man, I can’t remember which one, uh, in, in the clean, what the clean complex is that what you call that he sure he was doing, he was doing 2 50, 2 50.

Andrew Hiller (23:08):

Are you saying you could do that?

Sevan Matossian (23:10):

No. What I’m saying is, is he, is he weak as a bird or is Tia just fucking, uh, just unreal?

Andrew Hiller (23:19):

Uh, I wouldn’t say weak is a cause

Sevan Matossian (23:21):

Tia had two 50

Andrew Hiller (23:21):

On there competition. That’s not very, that’s not very good at this level of competition.

Sevan Matossian (23:26):

Just say it Hiller. Don’t try to be nice.

Andrew Hiller (23:29):

It’s not good.

Sevan Matossian (23:29):

There were some guys out there competition. There were some guys out there who were weak,

JR Howell (23:34):

Not comparatively to like syndicate. I think the lowest weight lifted, there was 2 85, 2 75. So yeah, it’s comparatively. It’s not, it’s not great.

Andrew Hiller (23:43):

No, it’s not. It’s not good at, I mean, I, I, I bring, I, I put it on a video today and it was talking about, again, I, I like talking about hunter McIntyre all the time for some reason, but me too, if you were to walk into an affiliate, you would be able to find somebody likely who could hit this complex at two 50. I mean, over the course of what? 14, 15,000 affiliates. However, Hey

Brian Friend (24:06):


Andrew Hiller (24:07):

Brian, Brian,

Sevan Matossian (24:08):

Finally, someone to look at, oh, you’re here. Brian

Brian Friend (24:13):

Jr. Is very

Sevan Matossian (24:13):

Handsome. Uh, Brian, you look like you got some sun. No, you’re in Europe. They don’t have a sun. They don’t have the sun there. <laugh>

Brian Friend (24:22):

No sun in the venue.

Sevan Matossian (24:24):

Uh, Brian is at the lowlands. Brian, what city, what country is that?

Brian Friend (24:29):

Amsterdam other ones. I got a, probably 30 minutes max.

Sevan Matossian (24:32):

Okay. Let’s go over there. And let’s talk about those events. You guys okay. Putting this, uh, this lifting event on hold while we got, um, Brian here, for sure. Talked about the low lens. Yeah. Uh, refresh me this morning. We saw at the low lens. That was, is that the two, two, what was

Andrew Hiller (24:51):

That one? That the 27. 21 15 9?

Sevan Matossian (24:54):

Yeah. And, and is that the 2, 2 23 thing that, uh,

Brian Friend (24:58):

It was weird. They had something like that. Five minutes, then two minutes and one and a half minutes, then one minute. So it, the, with the rest interval, it ended up being a 10 minute, uh, workout.

JR Howell (25:07):

Seven minutes of work. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (25:13):

And, and, sorry, Brian, I’m catching up on my notes and, and who, and who won that over there? That was, that was, uh,

Brian Friend (25:19):

Well, there’s, uh, there are still some open scoring disputes, but the current or unofficial Le winners were Luca Boak out of heat, two for the men and Lucy Campbell from the UK, for the women.

Sevan Matossian (25:32):

Okay. Now, now I see where we’re at my notes. Uh, they both look great. There was something that chase and, um, um,

Brian Friend (25:41):


Sevan Matossian (25:41):

Mads were pointing out that I thought was fascinating, uh, in the first two, in the first two rounds, or I don’t know what you called them. The first two intervals, um, uh, Lucy was not go using all the time. She was stopping with one or two seconds while she was jumping over the box and losing reps. And then on the final round, Gabby, I think she was

Brian Friend (26:01):

Losing, I don’t think she was losing reps. I just think she couldn’t get another good rep in with the time remain.

Sevan Matossian (26:06):

Right, right. Sorry. That’s what, that’s what I meant. And from watching did that, why were they doing that? And is that a huge mistake because actually Gabby did that also in the final interval, it looked like she had time to jump back over.

Brian Friend (26:19):

Yeah. I think it was just a choice probably for each athlete, how they feel in the moment, if they have the energy to get down and up and up and over the box in time, or if they wanted to risk it. So, you know, I saw kind of a lot of athletes that would go down for the bottom part of the burpee and realize they’re not gonna have time. And then just lay there for a suit few seconds. <laugh> and they’re still wasting the energy, pushing themselves up, back up, up the floor.

Sevan Matossian (26:40):

And, and, and that workout was defined by just single reps.

Brian Friend (26:44):

Oh yeah. It was, it was very close and very chaotic, like, uh, for example, Oana Moya finished with 49 reps on her score card. Lucy Campbell had 50, but, uh, Oana Moya is disputing that she actually did 51 reps, which would obviously jump her into first place. So it’s a, you know, one or two reps could make, uh, you know, two to three spots difference on a leaderboard very easily.

Sevan Matossian (27:05):

Um, I, I did the same thing happen with, uh, what’s the guy’s name? Opix am I pronouncing his name? Right? Opix

Brian Friend (27:12):

He was, uh, he was frustrated. Yeah. He was frustrated in the first round because on the last dumbbell thruster rep, she gave him a no rep, but you didn’t tell him right away. So he’d already put his dumbbells down and moved forward. He wasn’t upset about the no rep. He was upset about the timing in which he told him, cuz it cost him five seconds where he could have just done one more rep and you would’ve probably got one more burpee and he ended up being like one burpee behind Laar for second in that overall in that workout.

Sevan Matossian (27:39):

Uh, do you wanna say something Andrew, before I jump in?

Andrew Hiller (27:43):

No. No, I just didn’t know. It was that pivotal

Sevan Matossian (27:46):

<laugh> are, are, are five girls going from lowland five women? Yeah. Okay. And, and then also five from syndicate?

Brian Friend (27:54):


Sevan Matossian (27:55):

Okay. I think there was a, um, in one, in one of the articles this morning, in the morning Chalkup they said something that, um, Scott Pancheck was in fourth place and four points out from qualifying. So I think that they just, someone just hit the, the number four twice. It is five. The only place it’s three is, uh, Torian. Is that correct? Brian?

Brian Friend (28:11):


Sevan Matossian (28:12):

Okay. Um, that we had some debate is, I don’t know if you can see the screen. We were having some debate yesterday and I was saying the most exciting person to watch now is Gabby Manawa because she took that 17th and that she was gonna have to have a perfect day to make it. And those guys told me I was wrong and it looks like they were right. And I was wrong. That fifth place was enough for her to get into fifth. Do you think she’s in it now to win it and, and we’ll see her go to the CrossFit games.

Brian Friend (28:35):

Yeah. I just talked to her and her coach after the last event. Um, you know, they, they executed the plan for event one to maximize her potential with that movement. It’s probably her worst movement in CrossFit. And unlike some other women who blew up in rounds eight and nine, their plan was to make sure that when it happened. So I think a 16th there is the best she could have done in this field. And she’ll probably have all top five finishes the rest of the way and be no sweat going to the games.

Sevan Matossian (29:03):

Are, were they confident with the 17th place finish that they could still go? Or were they scared shitless?

Brian Friend (29:08):

I think a lot of people are just overreacting after a first event or two, like the same thing’s happening at syndicate with the women. Right. So Hailey and Chris had didn’t do great on the lifting event, but they saw five more events and everyone knows that they’re gonna do well on, on majority of the rest of them. The only question is, are those, you know, are the girls who did well on the lifting event better than we think or no, on the rest of the events relative to the, you know, perennial games, contenders, but you know, just don’t the BA basically the storyline is like don’t panic after day one. Sometimes your worst workout is on day one and that’s 50% of the score at that moment, but there’s still, you know, four more workouts to come.

Sevan Matossian (29:46):

No, don’t listen to Brian. Definitely panic. It makes it more important to watch.

Andrew Hiller (29:50):

It looks like she’s already in third of that being Gabby.

Sevan Matossian (29:54):

Uh, uh, yes. Uh, I did get a strike last night. I did I get my first strike on my YouTube account for, um,

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